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It's lobbying, but is it really pro-Israel?
By M.J. Rosenberg

Critics of "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" by John J. Mearsheimer and Steven M. Walt (Farrar, Straus and Giroux), cannot be surprised that the attacks on the book prior to publication helped propel it as high as no. 10 on Amazon's best-seller list. Not only that, the names "Mearsheimer-Walt" have become almost People-magazine famous, odd for two mild-mannered political scientists from the University of Chicago and Harvard, respectively.

It just shows you what a little "buzz" will do - and a lot of buzz surrounds this book.

And why not? It's an important, heavily sourced and documented book (108 pages of footnotes) by two distinguished professors at two of our best universities. It deals with Middle East policymaking at a time when America's problems in that region surpass our problems anywhere else. And it is a serious book about a subject that is decidedly provocative, a much improved and expanded version of the original London Review of Books article.

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The book asks the question: How much power does the pro-Israel lobby have? The authors answer: Too much, and both America and Israel suffer as a result.

It's an arguable question, and people are definitely arguing about it. It is also the kind of book you do not have to agree with on every count (I certainly don't) to benefit from reading it.

The authors do not say that there is anything intrinsically wrong with the existence of a pro-Israel lobby. As political scientists, they understand that lobbies are as American as corn in Kansas. They know that lobbies play a major role in virtually all areas of American policy-making, domestic and foreign. Nor do they suggest that the pro-Israel community is out of bounds when it uses its influence on Israel's behalf.

Their question is whether or not that influence is used to promote policies that are in America's interest, or even Israel's.

The authors' answer is "no." They believe that the interests of both countries would be better served by aggressive American involvement intended to produce an Israeli-Palestinian agreement along the lines of the so-called Clinton parameters. Israel would withdraw more or less to the '67 lines, a Palestinian state would be established, Israel's security would be guarded by ironclad guarantees, and the Palestinians would abandon any future claims on Israeli territory. They believe that it is the influence of the lobby that has prevented the U.S. from vigorously pursuing this goal, despite the fact that both presidents Clinton and George W. Bush have endorsed it.

I spent almost 20 years as a Congressional aide and can testify from repeated personal experience that senators and House members are under constant pressure to support status-quo policies on Israel. It is no accident that members of Congress compete over who can place more conditions on aid to the Palestinians, who will be first to denounce the Saudi peace plan, and who will win the right to be the primary sponsor of the next pointless Palestinian-bashing resolution. Nor is it an accident that there is never a serious Congressional debate about policy toward Israel and the Palestinians. Moreover, every president knows that any serious effort to push for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement based on compromise by both sides will produce loud (sometimes hysterical) opposition from the Hill.

Walt and Mearsheimer mostly limit themselves to exploring whether all this is good for the United States (and to a lesser extent, Israel). The question I ask today, and not for the first time, is whether this type of behavior is good for Israel. Forty years after the Six-Day War, the occupation continues, the resistance to it intensifies, and Israelis in increasing numbers question whether they have a future in the Jewish state.

Has "pro-Israel" advocacy consistently produced "pro-Israel" ends? At several critical moments, it most certainly has not.

Was it pro-Israel to lobby the Nixon administration in 1971 to support Israel's rejection of Anwar Sadat's offer of peace in exchange for a three-mile pullback from the banks of the Suez Canal? Nixon capitulated to the pressure and backed off, leaving Israel free to reject Sadat's offer. Two years later, Sadat attacked and Israel lost 3,000 soldiers in a war that would have been prevented had Israel accepted the Sadat initiative. Israel gained nothing in that war, and ended up giving Sadat all the territory he sought in 1971, and much more.

Was it pro-Israel to urge the Reagan administration to back Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982? That war, and its bloody aftermath, lasted for 18 years, with the last Israeli soldier not leaving Lebanon until 2000 - after a thousand soldiers were killed. Just days after Israel's invasion, Lebanese Christian forces massacred almost a thousand Palestinians at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps. And 241 United States Marines, serving as post-war peace keepers, were killed (the most on any single day since Iwo Jima) when Hezbollah blew up their barracks. In the end, the war accomplished nothing and Israel withdrew unconditionally.

Was it pro-Israel to press Congress to attach so many onerous conditions to aid to President Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority that Abbas was unable to demonstrate to his people that a moderate president, who fully accepted Israel, would produce benefits that they would not achieve by choosing Hamas. The U.S. (and Israeli) policies of all sticks and no carrots led predictably to Abbas' defeat by Hamas and a Hamas-controlled Gaza that has resumed its attacks on Israeli towns.

Was it pro-Israel to prevent the Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II administrations from insisting on a permanent freeze on settlements or, at the very least, the immediate removal of the illegal settlements? Wouldn't Israel be infinitely better off if the United States had used friendly persuasion to end the settlement enterprise right from the get-go? After all, the vast majority of Israelis consider the settlements to be impediments to peace and so has every president since the first settlement was erected.

Similar questions could be asked about the arguments favoring the Iraq war as good for both the United States and Israel (when critics correctly predicted that it would be disastrous for both), and should be asked about some future attack on Iran.

These questions are especially urgent with a presidential election coming up.

Once again, presidential candidates are being told that in order to earn the "pro-Israel" label, they must heartily endorse the status quo. That means that when asked what they would do about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they must state unequivocal support for Israeli policies. They must put the onus for the failed diplomacy of recent years on the Palestinians. They must indicate that although they support peace, they will not adopt the kind of proactive peacemaking engaged in by presidents Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, and Bill Clinton. They must never use the words "even-handed" or "honest broker." There is a script and the candidates must not deviate from it.

For the vast majority of us who care deeply about Israel, the politically correct (and safe) approach to Israel is insulting. Sure, it keeps candidates out of trouble with that small minority of the pro-Israel community which believes that Israel can survive as a Jewish state while holding on to the territories. But that isn't most American Jews, not by a long shot.

Candidates who avoid saying what they believe out of fear of offending lobbyists and activists who have been proven wrong over and over again are not doing Israel any favors. And they should not be rewarded for it by being granted the label of "pro-Israel."

There is nothing pro-Israel about supporting policies that only promise that Israeli mothers will continue to dread their sons' 18th birthdays for another generation. For that we are supposed to be grateful?

M.J. Rosenberg is director of Israel Policy Forum's Washington Policy Center.
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  1.   Good Article 11:25  |  Natallie Durson 21/09/07
  2.   Truly said,of all the potential candidates for the presidential 11:25  |  lakshmi 21/09/07
  3.   Rosenberg is considered part of "The Lobby" 11:30  |  Slibovitz 21/09/07
  4.   8 MILLION MUSLINS IN THE US 11:34  |  indrajaya 21/09/07
  5.   Certainly more so than Rosenberg 11:42  |  David Teich 21/09/07
  6.   Facile arguments without logic 11:49  |  jerry 21/09/07
  7.   M. J. Rosenberg 12:12  |  Choni Davidowitz 21/09/07
  8.   Finally - an article that says it like it is 12:17  |  dana 21/09/07
  9.   Really dumb article 12:20  |  Moshavnik 21/09/07
  10.   where do we start 12:21  |  harzion 21/09/07
  11.   rosenberg`s last paragraph is rather glib 12:24  |  benshalom 21/09/07
  12.   m j rosenberg 12:27  |  macaulay 21/09/07
  13.   #6 It was Israel that picked a fight in 1982 12:29  |  Jens 21/09/07
  14.   mr rosenberg gives the two authors the benefit 12:30  |  talleyrand 21/09/07
  15.   Self-interest at work 12:34  |  Mark Lincoln 21/09/07
  16.   here is certainly room to disagree with the jewish lobby 12:39  |  a e housman 21/09/07
  17.   No more US taxpayers money to support apartheidic Israel 12:41  |  Mark 21/09/07
  18.   Dana, a real friend. 12:44  |  omigod 21/09/07
  19.   mr rosenberg what you do have israel do differently? 12:45  |  g n trevelyan 21/09/07
  20.   Would be interesting article if even one example he used was true 12:45  |  Dr. L. Brnd 21/09/07
  21.   dana "for israel`s long term sake" 12:58  |  ghanem tueni 21/09/07
  22.   the dana who pretends to give disinterested advice 13:01  |  pierre gemayel 21/09/07
  23.   dana "absolute power corrupts absolutely" 13:05  |  may chidiac 21/09/07
  24.   Sounds like a good summary of what`s wrong. 13:05  |  Tony Price 21/09/07
  25.   Mark Lincoln # 15 - oh, Oh... 13:09  |  dana 21/09/07
  26.   mr rosenberg and "occupation" 13:10  |  ehud barak 21/09/07
  27.   Show me the money! 13:23  |  W 21/09/07
  28.   Shmuel Rosner, please read this article... 13:49  |  Kol ha-Nevi`im 21/09/07
  29.   Rosenberg is right 13:50  |  Jeff Gold 21/09/07
  30.   #17what money? do you read the financial press? 13:51  |  victor hardman 21/09/07
  31.   Quote from the Shah of Iran in 1974 14:23  |  Tom 21/09/07
  32.   Natalllie Durson - over the top 14:26  |  Mary W. 21/09/07
  33.   Lobby to Be Concerned About is the Saudi One 14:26  |  Yoram 21/09/07
  34.   is it in the usa`s interest to stand with israel? 14:37  |  lord byron 21/09/07
  35.   the name is rosenburg not a good name at any time 14:44  |  victor hardman 21/09/07
  36.   Anti-Israel newspapers in the US love the M&W book... 14:47  |  CK Tan 21/09/07
  37.   26#Ehud Barak is right 15:00  |  Alon Fisher 21/09/07
  38.   the jews and the united states 15:02  |  blesstheusa 21/09/07
  39.   # 4 You Sound Like A Democrat 15:04  |  Tony Anthony 21/09/07
  40.   Be careful of the Christian Right 15:05  |  Chaim Gorenstein 21/09/07
  41.   Jens you are trying to gain favour for Denmark???? 15:07  |  Alon Fisher 21/09/07
  42.   They havent been doing a bad job 15:09  |  Alon Fisher 21/09/07
  43.   OF COURSE IT IS ALWAYS GOOD FOR ISRAEL 15:28  |  indrajaya 21/09/07
  44.   Novak Is Better than Rosenberg 16:26  |  Tod Zuckderman 21/09/07
  45.   Slibovitz, #3, is spot on 16:28  |  Jake 21/09/07
  46.   The electoral nuance of American Presidential Politics 16:52  |  David Hoffman 21/09/07
  47.   The authors` true complaints (which are justified) 17:22  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  48.   Nonsense 17:38  |  Gina 21/09/07
  49.   Dana -- Hurts, doesn`t it? 17:41  |  Gina 21/09/07
  50.   great article, notwithstanding Teich and other yahoos 17:43  |  rickibobbi 21/09/07
  51.   Thank you for your objective view 17:44  |  AJE 21/09/07
  52.   Mark --polls show majority of americans support Israel 17:45  |  Gina 21/09/07
  53.   Mark Lincoln- apartheidic Israel 17:47  |  Fed Up 21/09/07
  54.   Natallie - You can`t distinguish between jihadists and Muslims 17:52  |  Gina 21/09/07
  55.   Israel is the problem 17:58  |  Arthur Seyss-Inquart 21/09/07
  56.   Israel is the problem 17:58  |  Arthur Seyss-Inquart 21/09/07
  57.   GOOD ARTICLE 18:05  |  JACKAL 21/09/07
  58.   #47- Tosefta as fact-ignorant of US as he is about Israel 18:10  |  Dr. L. Brnd 21/09/07
  59.   arrogance reigns.... 18:17  |  ravi 21/09/07
  60.   Most Israeli lobbies... 18:33  |  ManInTheMiddle 21/09/07
  61.   AIPAC et al. - the Anti-Israel Lobby 18:47  |  David 21/09/07
  62.   "why has the united states been willing to set 18:54  |  antisemitesanon 21/09/07
  63.   lobby 18:55  |  dave 21/09/07
  64.   #40 You confuse 18:56  |  david 21/09/07
  65.   when the interests of israel and the usa do not coincide 18:58  |  antisemitesanon 21/09/07
  66.   Burned by Dr. Brnd #58 19:00  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  67.   that the usa chooses to stay in saudi has nothing to do 19:05  |  antisemitesanon 21/09/07
  68.   Rosenberg is Correct 19:32  |  Moshe 21/09/07
  69.   Excellent article 19:40  |  arik 21/09/07
  70.   A curious utterance for a resident of Tveria 19:51  |  Jasmine Murphy 21/09/07
  71.   The real question... 19:59  |  Victor 21/09/07
  72.   what a lie "biblical obligation" 20:03  |  The Guru 21/09/07
  73.   The role of the Israel lobby 20:06  |  Wendy Sandler 21/09/07
  74.   Pro-Israel? 20:22  |  P. J. Casey 21/09/07
  75.   Curious information about Jasmine Murphy #70 20:35  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  76.   Harzion: some history for you 21:18  |  Janice 21/09/07
  77.   Gina #48, 49 - On love, fickle is she... 21:19  |  dana 21/09/07
  78.   victor hardman 30 21:22  |  realism 21/09/07
  79.   US in Iraq to protect Israel? Tosefta`s credibility drops to zero 21:30  |  Dr. L. Brnd 21/09/07
  80.   l brnd 21:32  |  realism 21/09/07
  81.   Dr Brnd #58 - dual loyalties Brand - last supporter of iraq crime 21:35  |  dana 21/09/07
  82.   Tosefta, very enterprising for a scholar of the internet 21:36  |  Jasmine Murphy 21/09/07
  83.   dana - Nothing cynical about living on an 21:52  |  Mark Lincoln 21/09/07
  84.   No question about foreign lobbys Yoram 22:00  |  Mark Lincoln 21/09/07
  85.   Now, now Tosefta are you certain? 22:12  |  Mark Lincoln 21/09/07
  86.   Crvaven, abject fear, Bush`s press conference 20 September 22:18  |  hala 21/09/07
  87.   Interpretation of a Biased man (Dr. Brnd #79) 22:37  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  88.   #80 - In case you`re age 14 and didn`t yet take history class 22:37  |  Dr. L. Brnd 21/09/07
  89.   #27 W - Did you read the MW paper or book? 22:43  |  Slibovitz 21/09/07
  90.   Dana 22:48  |  Gina 21/09/07
  91.   I knew the risks (Jasmine Murphy #82; Mark Lincoln #85) 22:48  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  92.   Dana -- Only for those who Love Conditionally 22:55  |  Gina 21/09/07
  93.   #81 Dana in the lead (re Dr. Burned - where?) 22:56  |  Tosefta 21/09/07
  94.   lord byron #34 23:24  |  American in NY 21/09/07
  95.   Parallels between Israel Lobby and Holocaust Industry 23:40  |  Joe 21/09/07
  96.   Tosefta # 87 23:44  |  Gina 21/09/07
  97.   Flawed article from the get-go 00:09  |  Maurice 22/09/07
  98.   Illegal settlements 00:14  |  Bernt Jonsson 22/09/07
  99.   -88 Dr. L. Brnd US sides with the little guy? LOL! 00:25  |  Hubal 22/09/07
  100.   Sorry, Janice, but you are dead wrong 00:36  |  Jake 22/09/07
  101.   Natallie Durson is an anti-semite 00:38  |  Bill 22/09/07
  102.   Friendship With Israel an Asset during Desert Storm 00:42  |  Slibovitz 22/09/07
  103.   Good in what sense of good? 00:48  |  Paul 22/09/07
  104.   Another suka 00:50  |  Paul 22/09/07
  105.   #81 Neo Nazi Dana 00:57  |  Bill 22/09/07
  106.   L Brnd who tries to impress 01:01  |  American in NY 22/09/07
  107.   Always time for humor - it makes life tolerable 01:10  |  Mark Lincoln 22/09/07
  108.   Slibovitz - G.H.W. Bush, James Baker and Israel 01:14  |  Mark Lincoln 22/09/07
  109.   Joe 01:16  |  Gina 22/09/07
  110.   Now Hubal, you must remember 01:16  |  Mark Lincoln 22/09/07
  111.   Dr L Brnd 01:37  |  Tony Price 22/09/07
  112.   This Is A Big LIE! The Awful Truth! 02:22  |  Yosemite 22/09/07
  113.   Slibovitz # 102 02:29  |  American in NY 22/09/07
  114.   Tony Price - making a profit off WW II 03:18  |  Mark Lincoln 22/09/07
  115.   The Israeli Lobby- FINALLY!!! Some sanity! 03:54  |  the gadfly 22/09/07
  116.   #73 Wendy 04:08  |  Tony Price 22/09/07
  117.   #111 Price - Before worrying yourself re: jihadis in Guantanamo.. 04:22  |  Dr. L. Brnd 22/09/07
  118.   l brnd 88 04:29  |  realism 22/09/07
  119.   The way the argument goes (Gina #96) 04:36  |  Tosefta 22/09/07
  120.   Cut them off! 04:49  |  Omran 22/09/07
  121.   The pro-Israel lobby isn`t good for America, either 05:13  |  Silvienne 22/09/07
  122.   This whole article is Pro - Israel one 05:28  |  Tamir Palestine 22/09/07
  123.   If not pro-Israel then its Israel herself 05:38  |  Tamir Palestine 22/09/07
  124.   1982 05:40  |  Jack 22/09/07
  125.   Tosefta - lobbying and us 06:02  |  Mark Lincoln 22/09/07
  126.   Tosefta 06:09  |  Gina 22/09/07
  127.   Rosenberg and Dr. L.Brnd 07:16  |  Colin Wright 22/09/07
  128.   No Peace 07:53  |  Tom 22/09/07
  129.   Tosefta 08:37  |  Jasmine Murphy 22/09/07
  130.   U.S. must reconsider 09:19  |  Taimur 22/09/07
  131.   Maurice and history 09:29  |  Truth 22/09/07
  132.   To Omran, not so fast 09:43  |  Jake 22/09/07
  133.   #117 Dr Brnd 09:43  |  Tony Price 22/09/07
  134.   #129, Jasmine Murphy 09:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/09/07
  135.   what a love fest taking place here 09:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/09/07
  136.   Lobby/Moshavnik/"sacrafices" at Oslo 10:47  |  Robert Mabbutt 22/09/07
  137.   here`s the deal 12:03  |  goyboy 22/09/07
  138.   Tosefta #93 - 2nd try - Thanks for 12:15  |  dana 22/09/07
  139.   Confusion of actors.... 12:26  |  Tess 22/09/07
  140.   #137 my goshen goyboy is talking out of the top of his head 12:53  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  141.   Israel exists at the grace of america 13:17  |  bob van der hosen 22/09/07
  142.   #117 Dr Brnd: Innocent until proven guilty? 13:25  |  Tony Price 22/09/07
  143.   #114 Mark Lincoln 13:55  |  Tony Price 22/09/07
  144.   victor hardman 140 14:04  |  realism 22/09/07
  145.   #117 Dr. Brnd 14:19  |  ballistic 22/09/07
  146.   #144 realism should answer his own question 15:09  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  147.   #141 the tax $$ myth proliferates again 15:12  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  148.   Great Day of Atonement reading 15:25  |  Allan Schwartz 22/09/07
  149.   #147 Victor Hardman 15:46  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  150.   #30 Victor Hardman more bufoonery from Belfast 16:00  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  151.   #150 wesley unstands finance like a hole in the head 17:14  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  152.   #140 Victor Hardman 17:24  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  153.   JEWISH US LOBBY IS GOOD= It will destroy israel 17:44  |  ME Observer 22/09/07
  154.   victor hardman 146 18:04  |  realism 22/09/07
  155.   #151 Victor Hardman 18:05  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  156.   victor hardman 147 18:12  |  realism 22/09/07
  157.   #155 ask haaretz to post your answer wesley 18:25  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  158.   Muslims 19:17  |  Jacobo 22/09/07
  159.   Lobbying R US (Mark Lincoln #125; Gina #126) 19:34  |  Tosefta 22/09/07
  160.   #156 fungible fungus affects realism 19:36  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  161.   Tosefta #47 19:38  |  Danite 22/09/07
  162.   #157 Victor Hardman 19:43  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  163.   AIPAC ELITE VS US JEWISH INTERST 20:02  |  RICK 22/09/07
  164.   No. 89. slibovitz 20:06  |  W 22/09/07
  165.   victor hardman 160 20:21  |  realism 22/09/07
  166.   re #141 `Israel exists at the grace of America` 20:52  |  Colin Wright 22/09/07
  167.   #163 Rick 21:02  |  Wesley 22/09/07
  168.   feckless in tveira 21:22  |  phalcon 22/09/07
  169.   deficient in tveira 21:24  |  chinaarms 22/09/07
  170.   scoffer from tveira 21:30  |  usajews 22/09/07
  171.   tveira loves saudi 21:35  |  kingabdulla 22/09/07
  172.   the issue should be how AIPAC derives its infuence 21:38  |  American in NY 22/09/07
  173.   colin wright welcome 21:38  |  shalomalisrael 22/09/07
  174.   Wesley and perversion of English language 22:11  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  175.   More to the Wesley "Apartheid lie" 22:12  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  176.   More on Wesley`s Apartheid lie 22:13  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  177.   Putting an end to this Apartheid Lie smear 22:16  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  178.   And yet more to destroy the Apartheid Lie Smear 22:17  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  179.   Leftists stop perverting the English language 22:20  |  GZLives 22/09/07
  180.   M.J. Rosenberg supports anti- Israel duo 22:47  |  Shalom Freedman 22/09/07
  181.   #162 wesley i am not a catholic and dont 22:50  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  182.   #15 - Mark Lincoln - Totally Disagree 22:50  |  Double Click 22/09/07
  183.   #165 realsim the reality is that education is in reverse 22:55  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  184.   #167 wesley explains his nagging problem 22:59  |  victor hardman 22/09/07
  185.   wesley penniless people like you do not contribute 23:45  |  billions 22/09/07
  186.   victor hardman 172 23:47  |  realism 22/09/07
  187.   #168 GZLives 00:18  |  Wesley 23/09/07
  188.   And stop smearing the book 00:21  |  Shelley 23/09/07
  189.   apology to you Wesley 00:56  |  RICK 23/09/07
  190.   Thoughtful and excellent 01:05  |  Ellen 23/09/07
  191.   Gelb Tears The Two Professors Apart in New York Times 01:43  |  Yoram 23/09/07
  192.   taunting tveira man 01:49  |  goldmansachs 23/09/07
  193.   american in ny 01:55  |  nyny 23/09/07
  194.   So long, Israel 02:25  |  margaret 23/09/07
  195.   Double Click - we disagree 02:44  |  Mark Lincoln 23/09/07
  196.   Heavenly verdict (Danite #161) 02:54  |  Archangel Uriel 23/09/07
  197.   margaret in your dreams "goodby israel" 03:22  |  notonyourlife 23/09/07
  198.   It`s the Saudis, Oil Companies, and AARP, Mark Lincoln 03:32  |  Yoram 23/09/07
  199.   Israeli lobby not always good for Israel 05:04  |  Doodles 23/09/07
  200.   American in NY 06:05  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/09/07
  201.   Lobbying, but pro-Israel? 06:14  |  prairdog 23/09/07
  202.   #106 "American in NY" has a conveniently short memory.. 06:48  |  Dr. L. Brnd 23/09/07
  203.   AIPAC 07:13  |  blah 23/09/07
  204.   # 4 Inda, as always stupidity is god`s gift too.... 07:20  |  Misha 23/09/07
  205.   Book by Walt and Miershheimer - Israel Lobby 07:32  |  Valorie Kopp-Aharono 23/09/07
  206.   Follow the money..................... 07:49  |  NS 23/09/07
  207.   Good article 11:55  |  Sarah Fitz 23/09/07
  208.   to Moshavnik #9, on peace with Sadat and Hussein 11:58  |  zeev 23/09/07
  209.   to C.J. Kohn #200 13:36  |  zeev 23/09/07
  210.   Doktor Brnd # 202 your fantasy and history do not match 19:23  |  American in NY 23/09/07
  211.   #209, zeev 19:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/09/07
  212.   NYNY #193 20:42  |  American in NY 23/09/07
  213.   CJK # 200 20:55  |  American in NY 23/09/07
  214.   Zeev #208 & 209 21:06  |  American in NY 23/09/07
  215.   #213, American in NY 21:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/09/07
  216.   to C.J. Kohn #211 23:46  |  zeev 23/09/07
  217.   C.J. Kohn #215, discovering America 00:03  |  zeev 24/09/07
  218.   CJK # 215 00:57  |  American in NY 24/09/07
  219.   Zeev # 217 01:01  |  American in NY 24/09/07
  220.   #218, American in NY 08:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/09/07
  221.   Praise for M.J.Rosenberg 12:49  |  Avo G.Tutunjian 24/09/07
  222.   50: Notice rickibobbi using the typical avoidance method 17:02  |  David Teich 24/09/07
  223.   199: And doodles should pay more attention at prep school 17:04  |  David Teich 24/09/07
  224.   195: Lincoln`s usual loopiness 17:07  |  David Teich 24/09/07
  225.   Muslim Growth in USA 17:04  |  Gibson Block 25/09/07
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