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It's not all talk
By Yoel Marcus

What could be easier than poking fun at a dreamy peace plan like withdrawal to the 1967 borders? At a time when a division of solders has to be called in to evacuate two families from Hebron, it is hard to believe that a Palestinian state can be established alongside us on 100 percent of the occupied territories. It is hard to imagine even one of the 104 illegal outposts being dismantled, let alone a Palestinian state going up next to us based on a land swap.

Is dismantling settlements really so impossible? Of course it isn't. Ariel Sharon managed to clear out Gush Katif in a jiffy. His one mistake was that he did the unbelievable without an agreement. If he weren't in a coma, there is no question he would continue with Stages B and C, whatever they were, and drum it even more into the heads of Israelis that the dream of a Greater Israel is history.

On the face of it, the statement released about establishing a Palestinian state on 100 percent of the occupied territories sounds like a lot of talk. It may be a good idea, but new it isn't. Just two weeks ago, yours truly warned Ehud Olmert not to invite Shimon Peres to get actively involved in the political process lest he take the offer seriously. And that's just what happened. Peres came up with a proposal, and Olmert accepted it and promptly turned it into a banner headline. How serious or practical it is, is not yet clear.

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One way or another, declaring a Palestinian state based on the '67 borders was an excellent backdrop for the Jericho summit. It made Mrs. Erekat's cooking even tastier and the handshakes warmer.

The extremists and skeptics say it's all talk. But nobody ever died from dialogue. The Kissinger talks after the Yom Kippur War proved nothing was impossible, even in the worst of situations. The fact is, those talks initiated by Kissinger led to a full peace agreement between Egypt and Israel, in exchange for occupied territory and razing the settlements of the Rafiah Salient down to the last millimeter. And the one who set the precedent of the "last millimeter" was none other than Menachem Begin, the Greater Israel man.

Talk led to a peace treaty with Jordan and the Oslo Accords, which established Israel's acknowledgment in principle of the Palestinians' right to a state of their own. The debate was, and still is, over the territories. There have also been talks with Syria, and everyone knows that when dialogue resumes between the two countries, it will start from the point where it ended - haggling over the price.

The principle of peace for territory is the key. The argument is over how much in return for what, or how much in return for how much. It depends on whether the leaders involved - Ehud Olmert, Mahmoud Abbas and Bashar Assad - are strong enough to break the cycle of enmity with a territorial compromise. But each of them faces problems that are far from simple.

Olmert has the last installment of the Winograd Committee report looming over him, along with a slew of criminal investigations and the possibility of a violent confrontation with the settlers - three threats that could bring him down. Focusing on peace could be his lifeline.

Mahmoud Abbas has problems with Hamas, whose leaders are undermining and humiliating him, and have ripped Gaza out of his hands. Add to that the king of Saudi Arabia, who is worried about Iran and its loony leader ruining the good life in the Gulf. And Hosni Mubarak and King Abdullah, who are worried about Islamic fundamentalism seeping into their governments.

The November summit proposed by President Bush in consultation with the Quartet will give him one last chance to knock out the nerve centers of fundamentalist Islamic terror threatening the free world - and wallop the axis of evil with a series of accords. The leaders of the region will have to show up with ideas and a very open mind.

We will need to know in whose name Mahmoud Abbas is speaking, and how he expects to regain control over Gaza and pry it from the grip of Hamas. We will need to know how far Olmert is willing and able to go in terms of concessions based on the '67 borders. We will need to know whether Syria is capable of being a negotiating partner, and if Saudi Arabia is willing to dip its dainty foot into the pool as the patron of a comprehensive agreement, while the eyes of the fruitcake from Iran are fixed upon it.

This is Bush's last chance to open a window through which we might just see a sail of peace glinting on the horizon.
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  4.   # 3, NANNETTE 11:53  |  indrajaya 10/08/07
  5.   more of the same ignore law history and fact 12:54  |  victor hardman 10/08/07
  6.   Are we really debating peace? 13:09  |  FOX 10/08/07
  7.   this is how it will pan out... 13:23  |  ravi 10/08/07
  8.   West Bank is the Dream,Gaza the Foil 13:27  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/08/07
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  10.   Rhetoric vs Actions 13:49  |  Jane 10/08/07
  11.   West Bank the Dream,Gaza the Foil 13:55  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/08/07
  12.   how Abbas expects to gain control of Gaza 14:16  |  newageblues 10/08/07
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  16.   FOX #6 14:47  |  GABE1 10/08/07
  17.   Jewish and Christian supports on The Islamic TeRRoR 14:47  |  Atilla Karagozoglu 10/08/07
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  19.   What about Jewish TeRRoR ? 14:50  |  Atilla Karagozoglu 10/08/07
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  23.   Two families? 15:08  |  Walter 10/08/07
  24.   WISHFULL THINKING 15:15  |  Ian 10/08/07
  25.   FACTS PART III 15:36  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 10/08/07
  26.   newageblues 15:39  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  27.   Better Way to End Terror 15:46  |  Double Click 10/08/07
  28.   Marcus,earning money on suffering of Sderot and future 15:47  |  Absolute Sweden 10/08/07
  29.   FOX hits the nail on the head 15:54  |  peter 10/08/07
  30.   14 DREAM ON PAUL 15:58  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 10/08/07
  31.   Atilla Karagözoğlu, no respect! 16:06  |  Rodney Dangerfield 10/08/07
  32.   newageblues - 3. attempt 16:16  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  33.   Nannette of London 16:35  |  Akiva Patysh 10/08/07
  34.   Listen to HRM King Abdulla. 16:59  |  Giles Martin 10/08/07
  35.   Saudi Arabia and Al Quaeda 17:00  |  terrorists 10/08/07
  36.   To Fox 17:05  |  Ted 10/08/07
  37.   To Fox 17:06  |  Ted 10/08/07
  38.   To Fox 17:07  |  Ted 10/08/07
  39.   Israel -- A Nation of Knuckleheads 17:19  |  Tod Zuckerman 10/08/07
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  41.   Akiva: When Bush Comes to Shove 17:32  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/08/07
  42.   newageblues - 4. attempt 17:33  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  43.   Hard to imagine 17:33  |  Dagma 10/08/07
  44.   ted - a question 17:37  |  scallywag 10/08/07
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  46.   Akiva:When Bush Comes to Shove 17:54  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/08/07
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  50.   13.. fox... read it again 18:08  |  ravi 10/08/07
  51.   Toe Sefta-WHAT HAPPENED #24 18:20  |  GABE! 10/08/07
  52.   ted - a question 18:21  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  53.   newageblues 18:22  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  54.   Ronnie Wolman 18:27  |  GABE1 10/08/07
  55.   #31 Daniel 18:38  |  Labhras 10/08/07
  56.   to tosefta 18:49  |  saul a. readner 10/08/07
  57.   #24, Tosefta, I totally agree 18:52  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  58.   to tod zuckerman 18:53  |  saul a. readner 10/08/07
  59.   Robert (#33) good post, but these idiots can`t even grasp sarcasm 18:53  |  Voice of Reason 10/08/07
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  61.   33 Robert, the Middle East is sliding into chaos 18:58  |  Ivar 10/08/07
  62.   to 143 19:01  |  saul a. readner 10/08/07
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  64.   Rodney Dangerfield 19:36  |  Atilla Karagozoglu 10/08/07
  65.   #57, Ivar 19:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  66.   Freedom of speech (Saul A. Readner #56) 19:53  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  67.   The road to defeat 20:26  |  Mark Lincoln 10/08/07
  68.   tosefta - yoel marcus 20:26  |  scallywag 10/08/07
  69.   Marcus the slow learner 20:30  |  Mark Lincoln 10/08/07
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  73.   Cipora J.K. # 65 20:54  |  christa 10/08/07
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  80.   Newageblues 02:33  |  Mark Lincoln 11/08/07
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  82.   Ronnie Wolman #77 03:05  |  GABE1 11/08/07
  83.   Jon Feigenbaum 15,21, and 25 04:08  |  J.J. Doring 11/08/07
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  112.   Fox #108 15:30  |  GABE1 11/08/07
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  114.   dav - a question 15:35  |  scallywag 11/08/07
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  118.   #110 JON FEIGENBAUM #113 sallywag 16:04  |  tbora 11/08/07
  119.   Tosefta, Radiyo Syria 16:08  |  FOX 11/08/07
  120.   Ravi, please stop the nonsense #117 16:14  |  FOX 11/08/07
  121.   Ravi Part II, rubbish sir 16:26  |  FOX 11/08/07
  122.   tbora - peace and palestine 16:42  |  scallywag 11/08/07
  123.   #113 scallywag 16:47  |  tbora 11/08/07
  124.   ravi 16:50  |  scallywag 11/08/07
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  130.   #124 scallywag 18:26  |  tbora 11/08/07
  131.   #119 Rabid Fox on the loose 18:29  |  Tosefta 11/08/07
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  133.   #128 scallywag 18:57  |  tbora 11/08/07
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  135.   Rabid animals and Rabin - Tosefta 19:57  |  Mark Lincoln 11/08/07
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  139.   tbora and don cameron 20:37  |  scallywag 11/08/07
  140.   #132 Don Cameron 21:29  |  tbora 11/08/07
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  143.   #134 Tosefta 22:37  |  Smadar 11/08/07
  144.   #140/1 THE AMAZING TBORA INVENTS NEW HISTORY 22:40  |  paul harris 11/08/07
  145.   US losing in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan by supporting Israel 22:43  |  Ivar 11/08/07
  146.   One dumb Texan #135 23:06  |  FOX 11/08/07
  147.   #145 ivar still m aking bold and erroneous statements 23:37  |  victor hardman 11/08/07
  148.   No Ivar, our motives are our own 23:48  |  Mark Lincoln 11/08/07
  149.   Our motives Ivar 23:50  |  Mark Lincoln 11/08/07
  150.   When walking in the woods by day 23:52  |  Mark Lincoln 11/08/07
  151.   TO FOX - PEACE OR NO PEACE ??? 23:56  |  TEVIA 11/08/07
  152.   TOe Sefta & FOX #131 00:21  |  GABE1 12/08/07
  153.   tbora-PLEASE 01:32  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 12/08/07
  154.   The fatal flaw 01:44  |  Mark Lincoln 12/08/07
  155.   tevia @kfar adumim 02:11  |  GABE1 12/08/07
  156.   #147 Big-OT Iin Belfast(Hard-man) 02:11  |  Labhras 12/08/07
  157.   FOX #146 02:53  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 12/08/07
  158.   IVAR from ESTONIA 03:32  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 12/08/07
  159.   Second Response to Saul Readner 04:48  |  Tod Zuckerman 12/08/07
  160.   US+Israel vs Palestinians motivates young Islamic jihadists 05:08  |  Ivar 12/08/07
  161.   Ivar - Islamicist and their best friends 07:50  |  mark Lincoln 12/08/07
  162.   IVAR 09:09  |  143 12/08/07
  163.   To #55 Labhras 09:54  |  Daniel 12/08/07
  164.   FOX and universities 10:22  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/08/07
  165.   Right on, Mark Lincoln! 11:12  |  Ivar 12/08/07
  166.   #161, Mark Lincoln 19:54  |  Cipora JuliannaKohn 12/08/07
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