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Peres' last sabotage
By Israel Harel

It is easy to assume that some sort of political and media riot would have erupted had an Israeli president published a plan to annex 100 percent of the territories. Members of the media and political establishment would undoubtedly demand he be deposed. And if the plan mentioned the evacuation of Arab communities, the way President Shimon Peres' plan calls for the evacuation of Jewish communities, then they would demand he be tried for war crimes.

Is a president obliged to refrain from helping form diplomatic plans, such as those that would split the country? (See what happened in the Israel Defense Forces and Hebron over the evacuation of two shops.) Not when the president is Peres, and the plan is to establish a Palestinian state on 100 percent of the territories. In other words, the plan reflects the opinion of many decision makers regarding what is and is not legitimate conduct for a president.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is reportedly "examining" Peres' proposal "in a positive light." And no one is commenting that Olmert is behaving like former prime minister Ariel Sharon did when Edna Arbel - then state prosecutor and now a Supreme Court justice - and Moshe Mizrahi - then head of the Justice Ministry Police Investigations Department - were closing in on him in the Greek island affair.
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The plan is based on the assumption that the root of the conflict is territorial. And even now that the territorial concessions from Oslo have proved the opposite - that concessions only bring more violence and that Israeli withdrawals strengthen the extremists - the belief in continued concessions has not changed and is a major component of our diplomatic thinking.

Peres, who wrote enthusiastic articles in favor of the greater Land of Israel in a journal I edited, and Olmert, who collected signatures on a petition that stated "liberated territory will not be returned," and later guarded the settlers at the Kaddum camp with me, should know very well that the main reason for the Arabs' war against the Jews is ideological and not territorial, and that even a concession of 100 percent will not satisfy the Arabs.

This is why the 2000 withdrawal from Lebanon strengthened Hezbollah and not the moderates, and why Hamas, not Fatah, won control in free elections after 25 Israeli settlements were uprooted from the Gaza Strip.

If the conflict were territorial, a Palestinian state would have arisen in 1947 when the Jews greeted the partition plan with singing and dancing; certainly the Palestinians would have been prepared to accept the 1948 armistice lines as permanent borders. Ultimately they would have accepted - following an internal crisis, which they probably would not have overcome - the far-reaching concessions that prime minister Ehud Barak made to Palestinian Authority chairman Yasser Arafat in 2000.

But at the crucial moment, Arafat proved that even 96 percent of the territory, including the Temple Mount, was not his real goal. And now, with Hamas having won in free elections, will it accept less than Fatah would have?

The extent of the extremism can be seen through what is happening among the Arabs of Israel. A week ago, a delegation headed by Shawki Khatib, the chairman of the Higher Arab Monitoring Committee, met Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and demanded he refrain from any agreement with Israel that is not acceptable to Hamas.

For Israel - and the Palestinians - the plan is liable to become yet another disaster in the chain of disasters that the withdrawal school brought after Oslo. The move will strengthen Khaled Meshal, not Mahmoud Abbas. It is not the secular, pragmatic factions (if there are any) that will win the gratitude of the Palestinian public, but rather the jihadist factions.

Peres' plan will not be implemented because the territorial concessions will not satisfy the Palestinians, and because most Israelis, after the bitter experiences of recent years, have lost faith in the Palestinians; in Peres, the father of Oslo; and in Olmert, the deputy architect of the disengagement.
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  1.   Reflection 10:33  |  David 09/08/07
  2.   GO AHEAD ABBAS, YOU ARE THE MAN 10:34  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  3.   HAREL IS RIGHT:CONFLICT BASED ON JIHADIST IDEOLOGY & SHARIA RULES 10:38  |  G. Marcus 09/08/07
  4.   Ideology controls the territorial imperative 10:50  |  Prophetess Hannah 09/08/07
  5.   Deception 10:50  |  Esther 09/08/07
  6.   Decolonisation 10:58  |  Tony Price 09/08/07
  7.   Thank you Harel , Increase pressure , let the word be heard 11:08  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  8.   # 6, TONY PRICE 11:09  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  9.   Spot on 11:14  |  Al Joo al Yehudawi 09/08/07
  10.   Utter Nonsense 11:23  |  Natallie Durson 09/08/07
  11.   The right track 11:23  |  Indrajaya 09/08/07
  12.   1-Israel Harel is right; but.. 11:25  |  Akram Zekaria 09/08/07
  13.   Ideology is too a high word 11:29  |  CM 09/08/07
  14.   # 11, FAKE INDRAJAYA ALERT 11:30  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  15.   Alert # 11, 14 Fake Indrajayas 12:09  |  Indrajayas 09/08/07
  16.   Temporary Absence of War 12:14  |  SM 09/08/07
  17.   1- Israel Harel is right, but..& Also Peres-Olmert madness! 12:14  |  Akram Zekaria 09/08/07
  18.   No jews in Israel goal of fatah and hamas, read their charter 12:19  |  Johnny 09/08/07
  19.   We have tried the losing game...time to winning 12:23  |  Terminator 09/08/07
  20.   Israel Harel is Right,No I mean Right 12:24  |  Ronnie Wolman 09/08/07
  21.   Well, Israel Harel writes a few whoppers! 12:27  |  Johnboy 09/08/07
  22.   Old formulas haven`t worked 12:30  |  ScotGuy 09/08/07
  23.   NOT least is the ingrained Arab "honor/shame" culture. 12:31  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  24.   A PRICE.Glib comparisons.YOU are a colonist with no history or-- 12:38  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  25.   The conflict is both territorial and ... 12:45  |  Edith 09/08/07
  26.   When did this ideological war start 12:46  |  Wael 09/08/07
  27.   Harel`s got it wrong 12:47  |  Alex 09/08/07
  28.   Honor and Humiliation in the ME 12:48  |  FOX 09/08/07
  29.   # 28, FOX 13:00  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  30.   There is no need for Harel`s warnings of failure and disaster 13:05  |  S 09/08/07
  31.   Edith it`s not misunderstanding the Palestinian 13:05  |  Hannah 09/08/07
  32.   Wael 13:08  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 09/08/07
  33.   Alex 13:11  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 09/08/07
  34.   The ultimate "red herring" 13:22  |  Ivar 09/08/07
  35.   ScotGuy - don`t tumble for the Spin from In Da Dryer 13:24  |  BriJ 09/08/07
  36.   split the country? Hardly... 13:24  |  Mike 09/08/07
  37.   Ideology 13:28  |  `wooden horse 09/08/07
  38.   these sabotage 13:36  |  f.o.e 09/08/07
  39.   Ronnie Wolman, good morning. 13:48  |  Akiva Patysh 09/08/07
  40.   Peres` last sabotage 13:51  |  Ralph 09/08/07
  41.   RETAKE GAZA,HEBRON,SOLDIERS AND EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY)))) 13:53  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 09/08/07
  42.   To G. Marcus # 3. 13:58  |  Dagma 09/08/07
  43.   ANOTHER ideological Issue.Al Jazeera today 14:01  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  44.   Nonsense!This has been a struggle for land,since the first 14:10  |  lakshmi 09/08/07
  45.   Indrajaya laughing at the Truth #29 14:14  |  FOX 09/08/07
  46.   MR HAREL,WHY JUST HINT?SAY IT!! 14:15  |  Ian 09/08/07
  47.   To Natallie Durson # 10 14:16  |  Dagm,a 09/08/07
  48.   # 45, FOX 14:19  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  49.   #44. Lakshmi is sadly lacking. 14:22  |  Hannah the star 09/08/07
  50.   Mike #36 Well written 14:23  |  FOX 09/08/07
  51.   #35 BriJ 14:26  |  ScotGuy 09/08/07
  52.   Akiva: Pray FOR Oil or Pray TO Oil? 14:37  |  Ronnie Wolman 09/08/07
  53.   Israel Harel is right! 14:43  |  Josh Goldman 09/08/07
  54.   Relation between Terror and Occupation 14:43  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  55.   hannah 4 14:44  |  realism 09/08/07
  56.   To Natallie Durson # 10 Utter Nonsense. 14:44  |  Dolly 09/08/07
  57.   Peres ya kassul , Olmert ya falass , 14:59  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  58.   Indra, let us continue in your education 15:00  |  FOX 09/08/07
  59.   What a simpleton 15:04  |  Axel 09/08/07
  60.   To PETER SM # 43 15:12  |  Missknowall 09/08/07
  61.   too simplistic.. 15:13  |  ravi 09/08/07
  62.   # 58, FOX 15:14  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  63.   Ronnie Wolman #20 15:15  |  GABE 1 09/08/07
  64.   Good Morning Tossefta 15:16  |  FOX 09/08/07
  65.   If Harel can figure this out, how come the lefties can`t? 15:16  |  bat yam 09/08/07
  66.   STOP ALL THESE FAKE POSTS! 15:18  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  67.   # 66, FAKE INDRAJAYA ALERT 15:24  |  indrajaya 09/08/07
  68.   Fox and MIKE #50 15:24  |  GABE1 09/08/07
  69.   ideology or land? 15:25  |  elliot 09/08/07
  70.   Territory vs ideology 15:32  |  Yaakov Sullivan 09/08/07
  71.   Indra, how many did they slaughter? 15:34  |  FOX 09/08/07
  72.   Thank you Gabe #68 15:43  |  FOX 09/08/07
  73.   Words without logic 15:44  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  74.   LAKSHMI instead of desperately& mindlessly repeating slogans. 15:52  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  75.   Ronnie Wolman, (UFLCS, founder) 15:55  |  Akiva Patysh 09/08/07
  76.   Arabs have a `narrative` poor things 16:05  |  the actual Hannah 09/08/07
  77.   Of course its ALL idealogy 16:05  |  GZLives 09/08/07
  78.   It is both: ideological and territorial 16:15  |  Gene 09/08/07
  79.   It`s about territority stupid... 16:17  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  80.   Concessions? What concessions? 16:19  |  Don Camillo 09/08/07
  81.   TOO SIMPLISTIC 16:20  |  gabriel 09/08/07
  82.   61ravi,am in agreement with most of what you say,except it is not 16:21  |  lakshmi 09/08/07
  83.   harel is correct 16:22  |  michael 09/08/07
  84.   Great article 16:23  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  85.   PETER SM, when terror does not work. 16:27  |  FOX 09/08/07
  86.   What Israel should do 16:40  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  87.   Oslo and terrorism 16:45  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  88.   FOX 16:49  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  89.   To lakshmi # 44 THE TRUTH 17:00  |  Dagma 09/08/07
  90.   Famous Phrases 17:08  |  Kiwi 09/08/07
  91.   Dishonesty... 17:08  |  ScotGuy 09/08/07
  92.   #80 THE CAMILLO HAS A SHORT MEMORY 17:09  |  paul harris 09/08/07
  93.   The Arabs are in self-defense 17:10  |  John 09/08/07
  94.   D.CAMILLO.good will gestures followed by Qassem barrages cause 17:14  |  PETER SM 09/08/07
  95.   Bush`s wisdom on Slowman`s education 17:36  |  Israel Harel 09/08/07
  96.   93. John: a long jihad 17:39  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  97.   Ibrahim 17:45  |  Danite 09/08/07
  98.   Don Camillo 17:49  |  Danite 09/08/07
  99.   "92` cap arris 17:51  |  Labhras 09/08/07
  100.   UTOPIAN, SECULAR STATE 17:51  |  TEVIA 09/08/07
  101.   FOX and Peter SM 17:53  |  Danite 09/08/07
  102.   #30 S 17:56  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 09/08/07
  103.   82 lakshmi 17:58  |  ravi 09/08/07
  104.   Ibrahim #79 On muslims and jews 18:04  |  Johnny 09/08/07
  105.   Tosefta, have you ever read the hamas charter? 18:06  |  Johnny 09/08/07
  106.   Ibrahim # 79 It`s Both Ideological and Territorial 18:07  |  Jeff Northridge 09/08/07
  107.   Hatred for Jews 18:09  |  Kiwi 09/08/07
  108.   Get educated so many aren`t, clueless talkers 18:10  |  Johnny 09/08/07
  109.   Thank you Israel Harel - the best article I`ve read in Ha`aretz! 18:11  |  David Eli Barchas 09/08/07
  110.   JON FEIGENBAUM #101 18:14  |  S 09/08/07
  111.   "OPPORTUNITY FOR PEACE" 18:15  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 09/08/07
  112.   Hear God`s Word 18:17  |  not-a-Jew 09/08/07
  113.   Annex and work on ideology pt 1 18:20  |  peter 09/08/07
  114.   # 49 Hannah the star 18:25  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  115.   # 80 Paul 18:25  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 09/08/07
  116.   ARAB LEADERS 18:26  |  Mohammad 09/08/07
  117.   The Hamas Charter (Johnny-come-lately #105) 18:29  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  118.   Political Utopias 18:30  |  against the West 09/08/07
  119.   Annex and work on ideology pt2 18:30  |  peter 09/08/07
  120.   Johnys Education and Islam 18:34  |  Kiwi 09/08/07
  121.   #116 MOHAMMED- better not go there 18:39  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 09/08/07
  122.   annex and work on ideology pt. 3 18:39  |  peter 09/08/07
  123.   There is ideology in Israel as well 18:40  |  Fritz 09/08/07
  124.   Ben Gurion`s ideology 18:41  |  Josh Goldman 09/08/07
  125.   peter 18:45  |  Danite 09/08/07
  126.   annex and work on ideology pt.4 18:47  |  peter 09/08/07
  127.   UNBELIEVABLE Slapstick show (Jeff Northridge; re Lakshmi yesterda 18:47  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  128.   # 106 jeff northridge 18:48  |  Axel 09/08/07
  129.   89The Old Testament is the history of a particular ,but cannot be 18:51  |  lakshmi 09/08/07
  130.   Danite I know how small Israel is but also how huge the biblical 18:52  |  Don Camillo 09/08/07
  131.   Natalie Durson,interesting observation,as the land grab continues 18:55  |  lakshmi 09/08/07
  132.   Talk about the pot... 18:57  |  christoph 09/08/07
  133.   Tosefta - Oslo agreement worked out well? No? 18:57  |  Johnny 09/08/07
  134.   # 86 kutw 18:58  |  Axel 09/08/07
  135.   annex and work on ideology pt5 18:59  |  peter 09/08/07
  136.   120. Kiwi: Johnys Education and Islam 19:00  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  137.   Israel Harel`s analysis is mistaken - it`s a new ballgame! 19:00  |  Smadar 09/08/07
  138.   FALSE HANNAH ALERT! #31 19:01  |  Hannah 09/08/07
  139.   peter of Montreal #113 19:01  |  Gabe1 09/08/07
  140.   # 97 danite 19:06  |  Axel 09/08/07
  141.   annex and work on ideology pt 6 19:07  |  peter 09/08/07
  142.   134 Axel 19:11  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  143.   Yet Harel Does Not See Himself As An Ideologue 19:18  |  Yaakov Sullivan 09/08/07
  144.   Don Camillo What?? 19:18  |  Danite 09/08/07
  145.   Axel 19:21  |  Danite 09/08/07
  146.   re Tosefta slapstick from Jeff Pt 1 19:24  |  Labhras 09/08/07
  147.   143. Yaakov Sullivan 19:26  |  KUTW 09/08/07
  148.   The last sabotage 19:28  |  Dagma 09/08/07
  149.   Tosefta re jeff slapstick pt 2 19:30  |  Labhras 09/08/07
  150.   #133 Johnny, please stick to the subject 19:30  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  151.   Johnny on Taqqiya #133 19:32  |  Yaakov Sullivan 09/08/07
  152.   arabist apologists and PLO charter 19:38  |  peter 09/08/07
  153.   #133 Johnny 19:39  |  Labhras 09/08/07
  154.   Does anyone study history? 19:57  |  Lawrence of Arabia 09/08/07
  155.   Membership in UN (Labhras #149) 19:58  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  156.   80Don What is your excuse for S. Lebanon concession? 20:07  |  Rob 09/08/07
  157.   Danite on Oslo...another crackpot blaming everything on arabs. 20:09  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  158.   Peter the Great Fantasizer #152 (re Charter amendment) 20:09  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  159.   To lakshmi # 129 20:10  |  Dolly 09/08/07
  160.   peter, our Israeli Settler Apologist. 20:12  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  161.   Thank you Joseph E 20:15  |  Hannah the star 09/08/07
  162.   mohammad...they never won... 20:18  |  maria 09/08/07
  163.   Johnny on Muslims... 20:18  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  164.   130Don, Arafat sabotaged Oslo! Even sabotaged Peres election 20:21  |  Rob 09/08/07
  165.   Peter and the new PLO charter 20:23  |  Hannah first* 09/08/07
  166.   Majority Rules???? 20:30  |  Joe 09/08/07
  167.   Tosefta # 127 Beating Dead Horses 20:36  |  Jeff Northridge 09/08/07
  168.   144 Danit, Don Camillo is just a propagandist, proof: 20:36  |  Rob 09/08/07
  169.   #152 Peter the Great Fantasizer 20:37  |  Tosefta 09/08/07
  170.   #144 You`re doing it again Danite.... 20:38  |  Don Camillo 09/08/07
  171.   #155 Tosefta 20:41  |  Labhras 09/08/07
  172.   Land-Water-Land-Water-Land-Water 20:41  |  Mr. Knowitall 09/08/07
  173.   Don`t let this rascal fool you 20:51  |  Michael N 09/08/07
  174.   160 Ibrahim still spreads a 50 yr. old lie. 20:54  |  Rob 09/08/07
  175.   170 Don, here are your words (130) exactly (and see 168): 21:05  |  Rob 09/08/07
  176.   IT`S OUR WATER,MR KNOWITALL 21:05  |  TEVIA 09/08/07
  177.   Labhras # 146 & 149 The UN Charter 21:06  |  Jeff Northridge 09/08/07
  178.   Everyone, settle down a bit....... 21:09  |  Dave from Chicago 09/08/07
  179.   Shimon Peres 21:10  |  Ginge Brien MD 09/08/07
  180.   Rob, study Ben Gurion very closely. 21:12  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  181.   Everybody Slow Down II 21:18  |  Dave from Chicago 09/08/07
  182.   Ibrahim and the usual stuff 21:18  |  Danite 09/08/07
  183.   157Ibrahim,the expansion of settlements between Jan.2003-June 21:22  |  lakshmi 09/08/07
  184.   Don Camillo I am sorry to see 21:26  |  Danite 09/08/07
  185.   Arab war w/ Israel is over the destruction of Jews not territory 21:27  |  pace306 09/08/07
  186.   Don camillo#2 21:30  |  Danite 09/08/07
  187.   Isreals settlemants should stay 21:31  |  Hannah the real one) 09/08/07
  188.   Rob re Dan Camillo- yemen and other fun in the ME sun 21:37  |  Danite 09/08/07
  189.   Irony 21:43  |  Mark Wasserman 09/08/07
  190.   # 137 Smadar @ Kiryat Ono / Israel 21:54  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  191.   @160, ibrahim, i visited cnesset many times 21:58  |  vladimir 09/08/07
  192.   Duh. Of course he is right..they dont go after Jordan Palestine 22:03  |  David 09/08/07
  193.   Idealogy not Land is what it is all about. About time. 22:05  |  De 09/08/07
  194.   2 problems 22:10  |  Michael Greenberg 09/08/07
  195.   Israel get out from Palestine = PEACE 22:12  |  Serenity 09/08/07
  196.   # 161 Hannah the star 22:17  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  197.   Danite on Sunni Massecres of Iraqi Christians? 22:18  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  198.   #169-The arabist apologist and the PLO Charter 22:31  |  peter 09/08/07
  199.   #172 know f all and water supplies 22:34  |  victor hardman 09/08/07
  200.   # 190 joseph e 22:36  |  Axel 09/08/07
  201.   #160 Ibrahim you disappoint me 22:39  |  peter 09/08/07
  202.   # 192 david 22:40  |  Axel 09/08/07
  203.   Ibrahim # 180 The Two-State Solution 22:43  |  Jeff Northridge 09/08/07
  204.   Leaving Judea & Samaria to the Arabs 22:44  |  Jeremy 09/08/07
  205.   Danite on the usual stuff... 22:45  |  Ibrahim 09/08/07
  206.   #195 YOU WOULD KNOW 22:47  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 09/08/07
  207.   #186 Danait what the hell are you ranting on about? 22:48  |  Don Camillo 09/08/07
  208.   TOE SEFTA #169-Spinner of FACTS 22:59  |  GABE1 09/08/07
  209.   massacres of Christians 23:06  |  bobby 09/08/07
  210.   Toe Sefta #208 FULL VERSION 23:11  |  GABE1 09/08/07
  211.   180 Ibrahim re 174 A Big Lie is still a lie 23:17  |  Rob 09/08/07
  212.   # 206 jon feigenbaum 23:29  |  Axel 09/08/07
  213.   Additional Slapstick numbers to the act (Jeff Northridge #167) 23:33  |  Tosefta (n-th try) 09/08/07
  214.   #127, Tosefta: Israel`s admission to the UN 23:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/08/07
  215.   realism, another doos 23:42  |  hannah 4 09/08/07
  216.   # 200 Axel @ Germany 23:54  |  Joseph E . 09/08/07
  217.   Ibrahim excuse me? 00:02  |  Danite 10/08/07
  218.   The Deniers (#198 Peter the Great Fantasizer; Ga Ga Gabe1 #208) 00:04  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  219.   Don Camillo dont evade 00:08  |  danite 10/08/07
  220.   173Michael N.I have a problem with your formulation,see my 129, 00:33  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  221.   Toe Sefta-Spreading It THICK @169 00:46  |  GABE1 10/08/07
  222.   # 212 hannah 4 00:51  |  Axel 10/08/07
  223.   Talk to Jeff (Cipora JK #211) 00:57  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  224.   The Deniers (#198 Peter the Great Fantasizer; Ga Ga Gabe1 #208) 00:58  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  225.   peter, the israeli apologists plan for peace. 01:12  |  Ibrahim 10/08/07
  226.   Reply to Serenity in France (Post No. 195) 01:15  |  Johnny Weintraub 10/08/07
  227.   #209, Axel 01:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  228.   Danite, regarding Don 01:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  229.   #213 Joseph E. - Peres` (hopefully) Last Sabotage 01:42  |  Jim 10/08/07
  230.   Talk to Jeff (Cipora JK #211) 01:43  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  231.   # 154 Lawrence of Arabia.Does anyone study history? 01:45  |  KATH` 10/08/07
  232.   212 the GERMAN expert/HAARETX PLEASE POSY 01:47  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 10/08/07
  233.   ROOTS OF ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT 01:49  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  234.   Tosefta # 210 Dead UNGARs (part 1) 01:50  |  Jeff Northridge 10/08/07
  235.   FOLLOW UP TO 212 01:52  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 10/08/07
  236.   206 Don Camillo (3rd try): Arabs can`t do wrong? 01:58  |  Rob 10/08/07
  237.   WHAT KEEPS THE CONFLICT GOING 02:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  238.   TOE SEFTA #218-YOU MUST BE YOKING 02:04  |  GABE1 10/08/07
  239.   #116 Mohammed 02:11  |  Lynn 10/08/07
  240.   TOE SEFTA #127 02:11  |  GABE1 10/08/07
  241.   Ship of Fools 02:13  |  ScotGuy 10/08/07
  242.   # 163 Ibrahim 02:19  |  Lynn 10/08/07
  243.   #168 Or sending children into minefields with 02:24  |  Lynn 10/08/07
  244.   Moderate Islam is The Answer to Radical Islam 02:25  |  Jane 10/08/07
  245.   Danite #217 02:25  |  GABE! 10/08/07
  246.   Danite #97, who blew Oslo? PART1 02:27  |  Elias Khoury 10/08/07
  247.   SERENITY.get out of Palestine=peace.Which Palestine=peace? 02:31  |  PETER SM 10/08/07
  248.   Danite, who blew Oslo PART 2 02:31  |  Elias Khoury 10/08/07
  249.   Territory and Ideology - Not Mutually Exclusive 02:35  |  Jane 10/08/07
  250.   Tosefta # 210 Dead UNGARs (part 2) 02:36  |  Jeff Northridge 10/08/07
  251.   #214 and tosefta.re res 273 02:43  |  Labhras 10/08/07
  252.   The conflict is territorial: pure &simple! 02:45  |  Sal 10/08/07
  253.   #218 Arabist apologists spiining on empty 02:56  |  peter 10/08/07
  254.   Howdy Jeff&Cipora JK,hello,hello,about the UN &Israel, 03:14  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  255.   # 11, 14, 15 INDRAJAYA 03:19  |  Shoshanna 10/08/07
  256.   Toseftas double standards 03:20  |  Danite 10/08/07
  257.   If Mr. Harel is stating his beliefs then, with tongue fimly 03:34  |  Mark Lincoln 10/08/07
  258.   to all -- sorry for my typos last 3-4 posts 03:44  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 10/08/07
  259.   lakshmi #220- what is your beef? 03:48  |  Michael N 10/08/07
  260.   arabs` hatred for Israel 03:50  |  Mark 10/08/07
  261.   Same as it is in the US, Sudan, Philippines, 03:51  |  Lynn 10/08/07
  262.   Jeff Northridge 03:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  263.   GABE the radical, regarding Danite. 03:59  |  Ibrahim 10/08/07
  264.   Rob from Ann Arbor. 04:02  |  Ibrahim 10/08/07
  265.   Cipora hello 04:04  |  Danite 10/08/07
  266.   Danite, is there an excuse? 04:06  |  Ibrahim 10/08/07
  267.   `256" Re Arafat/Clinton/Dennis Ross. 04:08  |  Labhras 10/08/07
  268.   Elias Khoury 04:10  |  Danite 10/08/07
  269.   Tosefta I wonder 04:15  |  danite 10/08/07
  270.   246/8Khouri So why did most Christians leave Pal areas? 04:17  |  Rob 10/08/07
  271.   Dead UNGARs, Dead Brains (Jeff Northridge #234) 04:22  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  272.   So much talk, so little sense (Ga Ga Gabe1 #221, 238, 240) 04:33  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  273.   KIWI Mohammed is the last prophet,the others are minor prophets 04:39  |  PETERSM 10/08/07
  274.   Israel`s obligations (Labhras #251) 04:40  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  275.   And what is Israel`s war against Arabs really about? 04:42  |  peacelover 10/08/07
  276.   #234 Jeff, Sorry, you are wrong 04:43  |  Johnboy 10/08/07
  277.   #256 Apologist Danite the comprehension-challenged, I 04:44  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  278.   250Howdy Jeff,nonsense,you`re rewriting Res.181,nowhere does it 04:56  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  279.   #271, Tosefta 04:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  280.   Iakshmi # 254 The Legal Basis 04:57  |  Jeff Northridge 10/08/07
  281.   Advice to Tosefta 04:58  |  Oliver Hardy 10/08/07
  282.   259Michael N.what is my beef? It seems to me that you are putting 05:06  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  283.   Talking to the comprehension-impaired (Labhras #267) 05:12  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  284.   264 Ibrahim: Agree, and no more talks of Hudna, 05:26  |  Rob 10/08/07
  285.   #265, Danite 05:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  286.   Tosefta in Birdbrain land 05:31  |  Ben Gurion 10/08/07
  287.   The Real Obstacles to Reconciliation 05:33  |  Mitch 10/08/07
  288.   J"BOY.If ,by your admission,the UNGAR`s cannot be impplemented 05:52  |  PETER SM 10/08/07
  289.   Earthly logic for a Dense Bird from Outerspace #279 06:02  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  290.   #274, Tosefta, a declaration is not an obligation 06:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  291.   225 Ibrahim, but what do you think 06:09  |  peter 10/08/07
  292.   Assignment for Tosefta 06:11  |  Ben Gurion 10/08/07
  293.   On slapstick (Oliver Hardy #281) 06:15  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  294.   Ibrahim 06:19  |  Danite 10/08/07
  295.   Ibrahim#266 06:22  |  Danite 10/08/07
  296.   Tosefta what a let down 06:23  |  Danite 10/08/07
  297.   Cipora #285 06:25  |  Danite 10/08/07
  298.   280Howdy Jeff,wrong again,pursuant to Abban Ebban`s assurances to 06:26  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  299.   Ben Gurion Welcome 06:27  |  Danite 10/08/07
  300.   Labhras to Toseftas rescue!! 06:35  |  Danite 10/08/07
  301.   #289, Tosefta 06:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  302.   #195 CLOUD CUCKOO LAND IS IN FRANCE 06:42  |  paul harris 10/08/07
  303.   #298, howdy lakshmi 06:45  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  304.   #297, Danite, post script 06:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  305.   Israel vs. Arabs = Cro-Magnons vs. Neanderthals 07:33  |  Harry 10/08/07
  306.   Arab Refugees 07:58  |  Dagma 10/08/07
  307.   Joseph E. 1936 war Haaretz third time of trying 08:04  |  Hannah 10/08/07
  308.   #288 PETER SM is puzzled.... 08:14  |  Johnboy 10/08/07
  309.   #282- profuse verbiage 08:15  |  Michael N 10/08/07
  310.   Elias Khoury 08:23  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/08/07
  311.   Elias Khoury: why shield a crook? 08:27  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/08/07
  312.   100% correct... 08:27  |  Infidel Too 10/08/07
  313.   Sal in Chicago 08:30  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/08/07
  314.   Mark about arab`s hatred for Israel 08:39  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/08/07
  315.   The incredible lack of outrage at Olmert- Peres giveaway 08:41  |  Shalom Freedman 10/08/07
  316.   `Palestinians` and Palestinians. 08:43  |  Dagma 10/08/07
  317.   #304, Margie, correct 09:01  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/08/07
  318.   Joseph E.: Haaretz FOURTH time of trying 09:11  |  Hannah 10/08/07
  319.   Danite #268, exactly change the tune 09:24  |  Elias Khoury 10/08/07
  320.   Joseph E - מה יש הארץ? 09:26  |  Hannah 10/08/07
  321.   Rob #270, it`s simple 09:28  |  Elias Khoury 10/08/07
  322.   ROB #284, only when you talk to 09:32  |  Elias Khoury 10/08/07
  323.   FALSE HANNAH ALERT! #307, 320 10:04  |  Hannah 10/08/07
  324.   jonny 11:40  |  islam 10/08/07
  325.   303Cipora Jk,revealing slip of the tongue about the Security 12:46  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  326.   #325 One correction lakshmi 13:24  |  Johnboy 10/08/07
  327.   326Johnboy,thanks,but if the Mandate Trust is in perpetuity one 14:34  |  lakshmi 10/08/07
  328.   A nudnik called Ben-Gurion #286 - 2nd try 15:40  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  329.   Cipora should visit Delphi #301- 2nd try 15:42  |  Tosefta 10/08/07
  330.   Why Arab hatred doesn`t matter 18:01  |  john 10/08/07
  331.   Peres` Last sabotage 21:50  |  Carey Jaffee 10/08/07
  332.   #327 In LEGAL terms the Mandate exists until... 06:12  |  Johnboy 11/08/07
  333.   ideological difference?; oh you bet it is! 08:32  |  eric 11/08/07
  334.   giving up land for peace 21:47  |  Charlene Marcus 11/08/07
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