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Keeping the Palestinians out of sight
By Aluf Benn

Buried between the lines of U.S. President George W. Bush's speech on the Middle East on Monday was a significant point regarding the future of Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Bush called Jordan and Egypt "natural gateways for Palestinian exports" and urged them to be open to trade with their neighbors in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Officials in the Prime Minister's Bureau were pleased to hear this, noting that it was Ariel Sharon who first made this point in his Herzliya speech on the disengagement plan at the end of 2003.

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A superficial reading of Bush's speech makes his statement about the economic opportunities that would open up for the Palestinians seem part of Shimon Peres' view of the region: open borders, movement and prosperity. But it has a much deeper meaning: Bush has effectively exonerated Israel from another chunk of its responsibility for the territories.

The economic model of the disengagement assumed that the Gaza Strip's economy would depend on Ashdod's port and the Karni crossing, and endeavored to increase the quantity of merchandise trucked from Gaza's fields to Israel's vegetable stalls and Europe's flower markets. Sharon was forced to accept the movement-and-access agreement, which ensured the expansion of activity at the Karni crossing and enabled trucks to transport goods.

The agreement was broken almost from the very first day. Closing the passageways was part of the pressure Israel exerted on the Palestinians, which was presented as punishment for the Qassam rocket fire and a means of isolating Hamas. The Americans insisted on upholding the agreement, until Hamas took over the Gaza Strip.

Now Bush has accepted Israel's position, that the Arabs must look after their kinfolk, and the trade in the territories must go through the Rafah crossing and Allenby Bridge. This is a message to Tony Blair not to delude himself with the fantasies of his predecessor, James Wolfensohn, about economic cooperation on both sides of the Green Line. Israel no longer needs to worry about Palestinian exports, after successfully driving away the workers from the territories.

If there's any consistency among the Israeli governments, it's the effort to keep the Palestinians out of sight. Since Yitzhak Rabin called to "get Gaza out of Tel Aviv" during his 1992 campaign, all the governments have strived to achieve this goal. They took various measures: a general closure of the territories, the Oslo agreement and setting up the Palestinian Authority, building bypass roads in the West Bank, preventing access from Gaza to the West Bank, fencing off the Gaza Strip, putting up the separation fence in the West Bank, erecting roadblocks, the disengagement and finally the new citizenship law.

The Palestinians, who persisted in terror acts, always provided the reason for the next action against them.

The cumulative effect of all these measures is that most Israelis see Palestinians only on television. Only the settlers who live beyond the fence, soldiers serving in the territories and the few who visit East Jerusalem come into contact with the neighboring nation. Even those who travel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on Road 443 and look at the houses and olive trees along the way could imagine they're in Tuscany or Greece, rather than occupied territory inhabited by a hostile population.

The Israeli media mostly ignores the events in the territories. More important, Israel has surrounded itself by a bubble that is connected to the developed world and cut off from the territories.

The economy no longer leans on the traditional industries, which in the past were based on Palestinian labor. Thus Israel can celebrate an economic boom a few kilometers away from a poverty-stricken, threatening third world.

As far as the Palestinians are concerned, the price of the Israeli isolationist policy has been economic devastation, unemployment and extreme distress. We could argue over who's to blame and who started it, but that's not important. Looking ahead, Bush sees Israel as part of the Western economy and Palestine as part of the intra-Arab economy. Both states may exist side by side, in peace and security, in the spirit of Bush's eschatological vision, but behind high walls of seclusion and estrangement.
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  1.   Free Press 10:07  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  2.   Separating the fighters is fundamental for peace 10:57  |  Bo 19/07/07
  3.   Ben brings good news! Glad to hear it. I`ll never buy "From Gaza" 11:11  |  Pavel 19/07/07
  4.   FALSE HANNAH ALERT! #1 11:51  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  5.   Tell the truth, Mr. Benn 12:05  |  nina 19/07/07
  6.   Good article - Just more of the same banality of Evil 12:07  |  dana 19/07/07
  7.   Yes, Israel there is hope 12:59  |  El-Birawi 19/07/07
  8.   One particalar paragraph says it ALL 13:10  |  daysofourlives 19/07/07
  9.   Why? 13:15  |  Johnny Weintraub 19/07/07
  10.   Life is tronger than all else, and life dictates, based on past 13:27  |  Yafah 19/07/07
  11.   wrong, wrong, wrong 13:28  |  ScotGuy 19/07/07
  12.   Why Arabs, antisemites or delusional leftists get married? 13:31  |  Uzi 19/07/07
  13.   #7 El-Birawi - Wrong order 13:37  |  Bo 19/07/07
  14.   #6 dana - You are right 13:53  |  Bo 19/07/07
  15.   #8 daysofourlives - A minor correction 14:02  |  Bo 19/07/07
  16.   Gaza have open border with Egypt and get highest aid per capita. 14:11  |  Uzi 19/07/07
  17.   The West does not need to teach us about value system 14:12  |  El-Birawi 19/07/07
  18.   Where are the Oil Rich Nations that supposed to Care? 14:21  |  Ronnie Wolman 19/07/07
  19.   #15 14:26  |  I WANT PEACE 19/07/07
  20.   It is only a matter of time 14:27  |  Buber 19/07/07
  21.   Dana 14:33  |  ka 19/07/07
  22.   Dana #6 More of the same banality of arrogance 14:36  |  Tzfonit 19/07/07
  23.   Bo, El-Birawi - Either order 14:45  |  Tzfonit 19/07/07
  24.   #17 14:45  |  ka 19/07/07
  25.   reconciliation - el birawi 14:49  |  ka 19/07/07
  26.   20...matter of time... 14:53  |  ravi 19/07/07
  27.   # 1 Bo 14:54  |  Jim 19/07/07
  28.   There is another possibility to fortress Israel 15:15  |  David Hoffman 19/07/07
  29.   I find it to be only natural for the Arabs of the West Bank 15:36  |  Yehudit 19/07/07
  30.   To El-Birawi - YES! 15:55  |  Simone 19/07/07
  31.   #23 Tzfonit - I agree ... 16:03  |  Bo 19/07/07
  32.   Aluf Benn & the Palestinians 16:09  |  Solomon ben Oded 19/07/07
  33.   # 11 Scotguy 16:23  |  Nicholas Ferriman 19/07/07
  34.   #27 Jim - You have several points but ... 16:59  |  Bo 19/07/07
  35.   Democracy does not match with the Arab mentality 17:09  |  Alicia 19/07/07
  36.   #29 Yehudit - Absolutely right 17:09  |  Bo 19/07/07
  37.   The fearful symmetry 17:15  |  Mark Lincoln 19/07/07
  38.   Mark Lincoln 17:37  |  Danite 19/07/07
  39.   Aluf Benn & his mates, the Palestinians 17:38  |  Daniella 19/07/07
  40.   # 29 Yehudit. I also fully support your sentiments. Regards. 17:39  |  Nick Ferriman 19/07/07
  41.   Gaza should be part of Egypt and the West Bank part of 17:42  |  Svetlana 19/07/07
  42.   El Birawi and the myth of a golden past 17:47  |  Polybios 19/07/07
  43.   #32 Alicia - Right 17:51  |  Bo 19/07/07
  44.   #36 Daniella - al-Fatah equals Hamas 18:01  |  Bo 19/07/07
  45.   Palestinians are not important 18:03  |  Jonathan S 19/07/07
  46.   #38 Svetlana - Your solution has been tried 18:12  |  Bo 19/07/07
  47.   Yehudit, 29: Yours and the postion of others in this regard are 18:16  |  Gabi 19/07/07
  48.   To #42, Jonnathan S- Yes, butt... 18:47  |  Dyinglikeflies 19/07/07
  49.   Today 4 casualties in Sderot, Haaretz silent 18:49  |  Jonathan S 19/07/07
  50.   Speaking of hypocrisy, #30 Nick F. 19:09  |  Polybios 19/07/07
  51.   Why should Israel want Palestinians IN SIGHT? 19:12  |  McQueen 19/07/07
  52.   Palestinians are not important? 19:22  |  Jack 19/07/07
  53.   29,27,44. Hardly your prerogative 19:23  |  Sallahudin the Great 19/07/07
  54.   No non-Palestinian on this forum... 19:50  |  Omar 19/07/07
  55.   To McQueen in NYC 20:01  |  Omar 19/07/07
  56.   Israelis are never going to make it in the MEME 20:25  |  Dutch 19/07/07
  57.   Sallahudin, 50, the Arabs of this Land have been offered 20:27  |  Akiva 19/07/07
  58.   FANTASTIC! ISRAEL OWES NO FAVORS TO HER KILLERS 20:29  |  don 19/07/07
  59.   That`s fine, and Israel sell their milk elsewhere too 20:33  |  Ibrahim 19/07/07
  60.   Yehudit #29 - on natural and unatural alliances 20:36  |  dana 19/07/07
  61.   Omar, instead of living in dream world, try to realize that 20:41  |  Akiva 19/07/07
  62.   Israel, Ibrahim, will do just fine without the market of the 20:52  |  Yariv 19/07/07
  63.   Akiva the funny 21:31  |  Omar 19/07/07
  64.   Aluf Benn & his mates, the Palestinians 21:32  |  Daniella 19/07/07
  65.   Akiva the funny (2nd try) 21:44  |  Omar 19/07/07
  66.   Isolation of palestinians result of islamicization of intifada 21:46  |  Voice of Reason 19/07/07
  67.   Yariv in Hadera 21:49  |  Omar 19/07/07
  68.   Ibrahim surely Fatah are not using Uzis????? 21:54  |  Ronnie Wolman 19/07/07
  69.   Ibrahim #56 Inshallah 22:04  |  Danite 19/07/07
  70.   dayofourlives#8 22:06  |  ChanahS 19/07/07
  71.   #53 doris they were saying that in 1918 22:06  |  victor hardman 19/07/07
  72.   # 19 I Want Peace 22:15  |  ChanahS 19/07/07
  73.   Yariv, that is good... 22:17  |  Ibrahim 19/07/07
  74.   # 15 I want peace - please explain to me 22:17  |  ChanahS 19/07/07
  75.   #51 Omar - You have got some points 22:22  |  Bo 19/07/07
  76.   Ferriman # 30 22:27  |  ChanahS 19/07/07
  77.   OMAR YOU MADE THE MESS 22:27  |  TOBIA 19/07/07
  78.   Omar #59 22:30  |  TonyL 19/07/07
  79.   Bo in Sverige 22:50  |  Omar 19/07/07
  80.   Jordan-Palestine-Israel trade federation makes more sense 22:51  |  Don Camillo 19/07/07
  81.   Yariv in Hadera 23:12  |  Omar 19/07/07
  82.   Akiva the funny (2nd try) 23:12  |  Omar 19/07/07
  83.   Hoffmann - ridiculous notion of return? 23:13  |  Pssd Off American 19/07/07
  84.   # 69 Omar 23:37  |  Bo 19/07/07
  85.   #74 don and shipping to ashdod from jordan 23:44  |  victor hardman 19/07/07
  86.   Tobia in NY who thinks... 23:49  |  Omar 19/07/07
  87.   Akiva the funny (3rd try) 23:51  |  Omar 19/07/07
  88.   # 77 That why you are Pssd off... 00:07  |  Misha 20/07/07
  89.   Akiva the funny (last try; it`s late) 00:12  |  Omar 20/07/07
  90.   Bo in Sweden 00:16  |  Omar 20/07/07
  91.   Omar in Ramallah - palestinian voice in the wilderness 00:17  |  dana 20/07/07
  92.   #86 OMAR NEEDS STOP FOOLING YOURSELF 00:50  |  TOBIA 20/07/07
  93.   Tobia 01:07  |  Silvienne 20/07/07
  94.   Omar... 01:10  |  Silvienne 20/07/07
  95.   Jonathan of Germany 01:21  |  Kerry Winn 20/07/07
  96.   Misha, my lack of "understanding" was rhetorical 01:43  |  Pssd Off American 20/07/07
  97.   #88 Misha - horrible analogies 02:08  |  Pssd Off American 20/07/07
  98.   `85" Victor hardman 02:08  |  Labhras 20/07/07
  99.   `91` Dana 02:18  |  Labhras 20/07/07
  100.   Israel already tried helping 04:28  |  Gene Warech 20/07/07
  101.   #94 How can you compare 04:35  |  Tobia 20/07/07
  102.   Palestinian exports 04:50  |  Academic 20/07/07
  103.   Thank you Danite 06:21  |  Mark Lincoln 20/07/07
  104.   Anyone wish to disagree? 06:27  |  Mark Lincoln 20/07/07
  105.   #101, Why, thank you, Tobia... 06:30  |  Silvienne 20/07/07
  106.   The vanishing chance 06:33  |  Mark Lincoln 20/07/07
  107.   #105 06:51  |  Tobia 20/07/07
  108.   Zionists change their tune 06:55  |  keith 20/07/07
  109.   #107 Tobia 08:17  |  jake 20/07/07
  110.   Benn = A Real Jackass 08:52  |  Tod Zuckerman 20/07/07
  111.   # 107 you watch too much news, tobia 10:18  |  eric 20/07/07
  112.   105. Silvienne: Which horrors? 10:26  |  Ron 20/07/07
  113.   # 105 hell oagain, silvienne 10:36  |  eric 20/07/07
  114.   WELL SINCE THEY ARE EGYPTIAN_JORDANIAN_SYRIAN 10:37  |  Dr David I. Gross 20/07/07
  115.   daysofourlives - some history 10:42  |  Dr David I. Gross 20/07/07
  116.   #98 labarse seeks erudition,your abitiy to perceive is limited 10:46  |  victor hardman 20/07/07
  117.   # 110 and the zuckerman heehaws! 11:57  |  eric 20/07/07
  118.   # 115 excuse me, dr. gross 13:18  |  eric 20/07/07
  119.   # 76 ChanahS. The UDHR. 14:34  |  Nick Ferriman 20/07/07
  120.   # 50 Polybios. Midwives. 15:21  |  Nick Ferriman 20/07/07
  121.   # 114 well lookie here, it`s dr. gross again...2nd try 23:15  |  eric 20/07/07
  122.   115 excuse me, dr. gross 13:18 | eric 00:31  |  Dr David i. Gross 21/07/07
  123.   Now, now, Tobia... 02:27  |  Silvienne 21/07/07
  124.   Eric, well, boy-howdie! Dr. Gross will not like that... 02:41  |  Silvienne 21/07/07
  125.   Dr. Gross... 02:45  |  Silvienne 21/07/07
  126.   Silvienne 18:16  |  Dr David I. Gross 22/07/07
  127.   But the problem is, Dr.Gross... 22:12  |  Silvienne 22/07/07
  128.   Silvienne - History my dear - not fantasy 01:20  |  Dr David I. Gross 23/07/07
  129.   Silvienne try 2 02:09  |  Dr David I. Gross 23/07/07
  130.   Dr. David...but we just can`t agree on the facts... 03:59  |  Silvienne 23/07/07
  131.   Silvienne - Since your in America - Try a U.S. world history book 05:30  |  Dr David I. Gross 23/07/07
  132.   121, eric, you`re perspective`s backwards 18:21  |  Yoni Gross 23/07/07
  133.   121, eric, your perspective`s backwards, part 2 18:30  |  Yoni Gross 23/07/07
  134.   Dr. David, I don`t trust the press here at all.... 02:14  |  Silvienne 24/07/07
  135.   Yoni... 02:18  |  Silvienne 24/07/07
  136.   Silvienne - kol yehudim aravim ze lo ze 03:48  |  Dr David I, Gross 24/07/07
  137.   #136, Dr. David...now what is the use.... 05:59  |  Silvienne 24/07/07
  138.   137, yep, that`s what it means 20:41  |  Yoni Gross 24/07/07
  139.   135, Silvienne, you`re dreaming 20:48  |  Yoni Gross 24/07/07
  140.   Yoni... 02:26  |  Silvienne 25/07/07
  141.   Yoni...I guess I`ll dream on... 02:34  |  Silvienne 25/07/07
  142.   Silvienne 04:50  |  Dr David I. Gross 25/07/07
  143.   #136, Dr. David...now what is the use.... 05:59 | Silvienne 04:57  |  Dr David I. Gross 25/07/07
  144.   Dr. David....(sighing to myself) 08:00  |  Silvienne 25/07/07
  145.   Dr. David...now that`s a good answer... 08:10  |  Silvienne 25/07/07
  146.   145, in a word, yes. 17:36  |  Yoni Gross 25/07/07
  147.   140, you missed my point 17:46  |  Yoni Gross 25/07/07
  148.   140, you missed my point, Part 2 17:52  |  Yoni Gross 25/07/07
  149.   140, you missed my point, Part 3 18:00  |  Yoni Gross 25/07/07
  150.   Yoni... 01:23  |  Silvienne 26/07/07
  151.   Silvienne - Out of the frying pan 03:23  |  Dr David i. Gross 26/07/07
  152.   Dr. David....and into the fire 04:43  |  Silvienne 26/07/07
  153.   Yoni 04:32  |  Silvienne 27/07/07
  154.   Silvienne - Now you are truly begining to scare me 05:48  |  Dr David I. Gross 27/07/07
  155.   Silvienne - Language 05:52  |  Dr David I. Gross 27/07/07
  156.   Dr.David...if anyone should be scared, it`s me... 07:26  |  Silvienne 27/07/07
  157.   Language, Dr. David 07:28  |  Silvienne 27/07/07
  158.   156, That was the UN partition 19:38  |  Yoni Gross 27/07/07
  159.   150, language 19:47  |  Yoni Gross 27/07/07
  160.   150, about Abraham 19:50  |  Yoni Gross 27/07/07
  161.   #158, Yoni 02:31  |  Silvienne 28/07/07
  162.   Yoni, language... 02:38  |  Silvienne 28/07/07
  163.   Yoni, Abraham.. 02:48  |  Silvienne 28/07/07
  164.   Yoni, I`ve thought of something else about religion 03:15  |  Silvienne 28/07/07
  165.   Silvienne - JORDAN 05:17  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  166.   Silvienne - FAITH 05:22  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  167.   Silvienne - Guilty it is Doc 05:27  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  168.   Silvienne - Two Homelands 05:36  |  Dr David i. Gross 29/07/07
  169.   Silvienne - O.K. a comic break - Language 05:42  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  170.   Silvienne - Its nice that we can agree to diagree 06:13  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  171.   Silvienne - OOps sorry missed one of your comments #1 06:26  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  172.   Silvienne - continued 06:37  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  173.   161, read the history first 07:12  |  Yoni Gross 29/07/07
  174.   Silvienne, Abraham 07:30  |  Yoni Gross 29/07/07
  175.   Silvienne, it`s a sick culture 07:34  |  Yoni Gross 29/07/07
  176.   Okay, Dr.David The Wandering Jew, about Jordan! 10:03  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  177.   Dr. David, as regards faith.. 10:08  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  178.   Dr. David, the two homelands.. 10:18  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  179.   Dr. David, the reading part... 10:25  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  180.   Dr. David, about England...now there`s a sore subject... 10:35  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  181.   Dr. David, about England....o-o 10:54  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  182.   Dr. David...the IRA 11:02  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  183.   Yoni, the history 11:07  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  184.   Dr. David, it is indeed nice to be able to agree to disagree 11:14  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  185.   Yoni... 11:20  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  186.   Yoni, it`s an insane culture... 11:24  |  Silvienne 29/07/07
  187.   Silvienne - NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED -I 15:34  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  188.   Silvienne - II 15:40  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  189.   Silvienne - faith 15:50  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  190.   Two countries - more comedy - in a sad way 16:02  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  191.   Silvienne - reading 16:10  |  Dr David i. Gross 29/07/07
  192.   England 16:16  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  193.   Silvienne - IRA 16:27  |  Dr David I.Gross 29/07/07
  194.   Silvienne - WE ACTUALY AGREE 16:32  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  195.   Silvienne - CULTURE 16:38  |  Dr David I. Gross 29/07/07
  196.   Dr.David, the unpunished good deed.. 02:50  |  Silvienne 30/07/07
  197.   Dr. David II 02:58  |  Silvienne 30/07/07
  198.   Dr. David,. the Interncontinental Hotel 03:06  |  Silvienne 30/07/07
  199.   Dr. David 05:45  |  Silvienne 30/07/07
  200.   Silvienne, the history 06:39  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  201.   Silvienne, Abraham 06:51  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  202.   Silvienne, insane culture... 06:58  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  203.   193, hellfire missiles 07:08  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  204.   Silvienne, visiting Jerusalem 07:19  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  205.   Silvienne, visiting the territories 07:28  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  206.   Silvienne, quick history suplement 07:44  |  Yoni Gross 30/07/07
  207.   Silvienne - Visits - 1 02:02  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  208.   Silvienne II 02:06  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  209.   Yes - Silvienne 02:15  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  210.   Rofeh Terapeh - more hebrew 02:33  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  211.   Silvienne - One mans miracle 02:42  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  212.   Silvienne Layla Tov 02:44  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  213.   Yoni, the history... 05:17  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  214.   Yoni, Abraham, your last sentence..poor Sarah 05:23  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  215.   Yoni, as for Arafat, I agree 05:31  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  216.   #194, Dr.David, yes, we do agree on this one! 05:35  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  217.   Dr. David, the IRA 05:40  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  218.   Dr. David, as regards Germany, England 05:44  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  219.   Dr.David, Entebbe, see, France again... 05:53  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  220.   Yoni, Hellfire Missiles 05:57  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  221.   Yoni, wasn`t that Aerial Sharon? 06:09  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  222.   Yoni, now I`m puzzled... 06:19  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  223.   Yoni, the quick history 06:26  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  224.   Dr. David, Visits -1...see? I`d get into all sorts of trouble... 06:34  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  225.   Dr.David, Hebron 06:39  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  226.   Dr.David, that`s right about the human rights workers 06:44  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  227.   Dr.David, Temple Mount... 06:49  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  228.   Dr.David, Rofeh Terapeh... 06:55  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  229.   Dr.David, Yes, but wasn`t it one elephant and several blind men? 07:00  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  230.   Dr. David, Layla Tov; does this mean Goodnight? 07:03  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  231.   Silvienne, history 14:36  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  232.   Silvienne, Sarah 16:50  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  233.   Silvienne, Sarah 2 17:03  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  234.   Silvienne, Judith 17:09  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  235.   Silvienne, Hellfire Missiles 17:20  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  236.   Silvienne, Hellfire Missiles, 2 17:27  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  237.   Silvienne, on genocide 17:39  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  238.   Silvienne, Ariel Sharon 17:50  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  239.   Silvienne, guns are just tools 17:57  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  240.   Silvienne, yes, definitely propaganda 18:06  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  241.   Silvienne, yes, definitely propaganda 2 18:13  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  242.   Silvienne, yes, definitely propaganda 3 18:19  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  243.   Silvienne, Sabbath 18:27  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  244.   Silvienne, Sabbath 2 18:38  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  245.   Silvienne, the quick history 18:47  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  246.   Silvienne, the quick history 2 18:56  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  247.   Silvienne, visits 19:07  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  248.   Silvienne, Palestinians afraid of the IDF? 19:19  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  249.   Silvienne, Palestinians afraid of the IDF? 19:20  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  250.   Silvienne, wrecks on the road 19:26  |  Yoni Gross 31/07/07
  251.   Germany - Silvernie 21:35  |  Dr David I. Gross 31/07/07
  252.   Silvienne - I love you BUT - NEVER AGAIN 21:43  |  Dr David I ,Gross 31/07/07
  253.   Silvernie - an ounce of prevention 01:41  |  Dr David I. Gross 01/08/07
  254.   Yoni, here`s the whole point, "free will" 03:10  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  255.   Yoni, as for Judith! 03:13  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  256.   Yoni, God both gave to Abraham and took away... 03:54  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  257.   Yoni, the hellfire missiles...did you think of this? 04:03  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  258.   More answers -Silvernie 04:19  |  Dr David I. Gross 01/08/07
  259.   Yoni, I don`t find it hard to believe! 04:58  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  260.   Yoni, the list of genocide sites... 05:02  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  261.   Yoni, Temple Mount 05:10  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  262.   Yoni, the Hellfire Missiles again 05:11  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  263.   Yoni, the guns... 05:16  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  264.   Yoni, the IDF 05:23  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  265.   Yoni, Palestinians not afraid of the IDF 06:44  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  266.   Dr. David...how is Yoni fighting it when nothing is.... 07:02  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  267.   Silvienne, hellfire missiles 08:12  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  268.   Silvienne, hard to believe 08:24  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  269.   Silvienne, genocide 08:34  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  270.   Silvienne, hellfire photo 08:49  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  271.   Silvienne, the guns 08:57  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  272.   Silvienne, airports 09:02  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  273.   Silvienne, the IDF 09:13  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  274.   Yoni, now I feel really bad.... 17:30  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  275.   Yoni, as regards propaganda 17:36  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  276.   Silvienne, don`t feel bad 20:21  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  277.   Silvienne, G-d 20:27  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  278.   Silvienne, propaganda 20:36  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  279.   Silvienne, propaganda 20:44  |  Yoni Gross 01/08/07
  280.   Yoni, what about this then? 04:51  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  281.   Yoni, the propaganda 04:58  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  282.   Yoni, G-d 05:04  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  283.   Dr. David...the answers 05:09  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  284.   Yoni, london airport (heathrow) 05:23  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  285.   Yoni, lastly, and Layla Tov to you and Dr. David 05:28  |  Silvienne 02/08/07
  286.   Silvienne - Offended? 05:39  |  Dr David I. Gross 02/08/07
  287.   Fighting 05:49  |  Dr David I. Gross 02/08/07
  288.   Silvienne - Airports 06:14  |  Dr David I. Gross 02/08/07
  289.   Silvienne, Rachel Corrie 16:49  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  290.   Silvienne, propaganda 16:55  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  291.   Silvienne, G-d 17:04  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  292.   Silvienne, a practicing Jew 17:11  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  293.   Silvienne, Messiah 17:21  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  294.   Silvienne, airports 17:29  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  295.   Silvienne, missiles 17:37  |  Yoni Gross 02/08/07
  296.   D. David, for goodness sake! 05:29  |  Silvienne 03/08/07
  297.   Yoni, Rachel & Dr. David 05:34  |  Silvienne 03/08/07
  298.   Silvienne, sorry 16:49  |  Yoni Gross 03/08/07
  299.   Yoni, I`m not clear about this.. 05:34  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  300.   Yoni, more about Sderot 05:46  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  301.   Yoni, the dates 05:59  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  302.   Yoni, the practicing Jew 06:08  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  303.   Yoni, V for J 06:20  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  304.   Yoni, regarding checkpoint propaganda 06:30  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  305.   #289, Yoni, Rachel Corrie (last time) 06:38  |  Silvienne 04/08/07
  306.   Silvienne, school 06:00  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  307.   Silvienne, Sderot 06:40  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  308.   Silvienne, airport 06:45  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  309.   Silvienne, dates 07:06  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  310.   Silvienne, Reform Jews 07:16  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  311.   Silvienne, the practicing Jew 07:28  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  312.   Silvienne, the practicing Jew 2 07:38  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  313.   Silvienne, V for J 07:45  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  314.   Silvienne, propaganda 07:56  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  315.   Silvienne, Rachel Corrie 08:03  |  Yoni Gross 05/08/07
  316.   Yoni, the practicing Jew, reply 03:13  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  317.   Yoni, the Protocols of the Elders 03:15  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  318.   Yoni, I knew the Jehovah`s Witnesses were... 03:22  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  319.   Yoni, the Bible 03:39  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  320.   Silvienne, the practicing Jew 14:37  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  321.   Silvienne, the Protocols of the Elders 16:47  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  322.   Silvienne, Jehovah`s Witnesses 16:57  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  323.   Silvienne, Sderot 17:07  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  324.   Silvienne, the Bible 17:24  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  325.   Silvienne, the Bible 2 17:31  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  326.   Silvienne, Kosher 21:03  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  327.   Silvienne, Kosher 2 21:09  |  Yoni Gross 06/08/07
  328.   Yoni, the praying 22:41  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  329.   Yoni, you`ve got that right....Mormons 22:48  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  330.   The Mormons part 2 22:53  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  331.   Yoni, you`re right, you`re right... 22:59  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  332.   Yoni, manna from heaven 23:04  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  333.   Yoni, how on earth...? 23:11  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  334.   Silvienne, praying 02:04  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  335.   Silvienne, praying 2 02:12  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  336.   Silvienne, Mormons 02:23  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  337.   Yoni, the baptisms... 03:52  |  Silvienne 07/08/07
  338.   Yoni, this Kosher takes a lot of learning 03:56  |  Silvienne 07/08/07
  339.   Silvienne, faith 04:40  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  340.   Silvienne, manna from heaven 04:54  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  341.   Silvienne, manna from heaven 2 05:07  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  342.   Silvienne, more Kosher 05:27  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  343.   Silvienne, more Kosher 2 05:34  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  344.   Silvienne, more Kosher 3 05:39  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  345.   Silvienne, me, calm? 19:57  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  346.   Silvienne, yeah, it does. 20:32  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  347.   Silvienne, mistakes 20:39  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  348.   Silvienne, the Sabbath 20:46  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  349.   Silvienne, the 3 things 20:50  |  Yoni Gross 07/08/07
  350.   Yoni, all this is so incredible to me.....! 05:47  |  Silvienne 08/08/07
  351.   Yoni, you don`t think that perhaps... 05:54  |  Silvienne 08/08/07
  352.   Silvienne, astonished 20:07  |  Yoni Gross 08/08/07
  353.   Silvienne, updates 20:41  |  Yoni Gross 08/08/07
  354.   Yoni, what will happen is that... 04:49  |  Silvienne 09/08/07
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