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Why Israel was created, why it still exists
By Bradley Burston

One way or another, Israel will spend this summer fighting the last war.

Never has a prospective war been more expected. Well before the Second Lebanon War was over, the Third was already being confidently predicted by a broad consensus of experts.

But even if the predictions of a new war are proven mistaken, the last war is likely to remain a focus of the nation's attention though the summer and beyond. Inquiries on the government's wartime failings are likely to monopolize the attention of a prime minister whose every calculation is keyed to political survival.

At the same time, there is every danger that in dealing with the fallout of the last war, the government will find ways to refrain from working to resolve issues that go the very heart of why the state of Israel was created, and why it continues to exist.

The problems represent critical tests of the very idea of Zionism. As such, the government may have every interest in trying to skirt them, ignore them, or otherwise dodge them. Here are five:

1. The new Palestinian refugees - the settlers of Gaza

Israel was not created in order to settle and hold the West Bank. Ironically, however, the 2005 disengagement from Gaza may serve to keep the West Bank in Israel's hands indefinitely.

Any future peace prospects will hinge on Israel's treatment of the Jews it expelled from Gaza. The logic is simple. Israel has shown itself unable or unwilling to find adequate permanent housing and satisfactory employment for less than 2,000 families evacuated from an area for which a large majority of Israelis felt no affinity and which polls showed most had wanted to abandon years before. How can the government then expect to win support for the expulsion of tens of thousands in the West Bank, an area which many more Israelis consider traditionally Jewish land.

And this consideration is brought into even greater relief at a time when Qassam rockets are still being fired from abandoned settlements into Israel ? some of them striking areas to which evacuated settlers have been moved.

The situation is oddly advantageous for the larger settlement movement, which can rest assured that the treatment of Gaza settlers, and the overkill evacuation of the illegal Amona outpost in January, 2006, coupled with Qassams, virtually guarantee that present settlements will remain where they are.

As such, the situation bears peculiar reminders of the plight of Palestinian refugees still in Gaza. For sixty years, Arab states and fellow Palestinians made strenuous efforts to enshrine the misery of the Palestinian refugees. They blocked efforts to resettle them in improved housing, and generally took advantage of their own and Israel's inaction, holding the refugees hostage for their own ends.

2. The refugees from Darfur

Israel was not created as a refuge for all the world's threatened and displaced persons. Nonetheless, when peoples are threatened with genocide and appeal for help, Israel cannot turn its back.

Jews cannot continue to complain about the world's silence during the Holocaust, if they are willing to stand on the sidelines while another people is systematically slaughtered.

In recent months, refugees from the Sudan, currently the site of the signal human rights atrocity in all the world, have made their way on foot through the Sinai desert and across the border into Israel. Government agencies and the Knesset have ducked and deferred policy decisions regarding their status. Soldiers who have picked them up as they cross the border, have been instructed to simply take them to Negev cities and leave them there. The government cannot decide how - or when, or whether - to deport them. The Knesset cannot even decide whether to discuss the issue.

"We as Jews are obliged to help not only Jews." Nopel laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel told Haaretz last year. "I was a refugee and therefore I am in favor of admitting refugees."

"I thought it was very laudable when Israel became the first country to admit the Vietnamese boat people. History constantly chooses a capital of human suffering, and Darfur is today the capital of human suffering. Israel should absorb refugees from Darfur, even a symbolic number."

3. The people of Sderot

Sderot is a test case for Israel, and for the world as well. It is a daily target of war crimes violations. The world should pressure Hamas to stop rocket attacks targeting civilians. The world has shown itself unwilling. Israel's military efforts have also been unable to stop the attacks.

In the present reality, protecting the people of Sderot and the western Negev must be a primary priority of the government. Resources must be marshaled, here and abroad, to make certain that homes, schools, and workplaces receive proper reinforcement, that children and adults receive needed psychological support.

Israelis must redouble their efforts to show the people of the western Negev that they are not an expendable appendage, but that their resistance to what Palestinians have laughably called "resistance" is crucial to the future of all Israelis.

4. Economic support of destitute Holocaust survivors

Over the past year, Israelis have learned in detail that large numbers of the hundreds of thousands of Holocaust survivors in the country are living in poverty. Knesset Speaker Dalia Itzik has announced that she will seek to block passage of the State Budget unless and until the treasury agrees to address the needs of survivors.

If the effort fails, this will be the surest proof that the very foundation of the state has been sold to finance some Thatcherite ideal.

5. The end of the People of the Book

In large part, the Jewish people, and the state it created, are alive today because of education. Unsexy, not violent, the subject barely draws yawns in crisis-inured Israel. But public education is being allowed to die a slow death. When it does, the rest of this enterprise will not be far behind.


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  1.   GIVE IT A TRY 13:04  |  indrajaya 17/07/07
  2.   Bradley, I am quite suprised and disappointed in you 13:20  |  Natallie Durson 17/07/07
  3.   Enterprise? 13:21  |  Avi Yerushalmi 17/07/07
  4.   Bradley wrong on all points 13:24  |  Jonathan S 17/07/07
  5.   Israel was created by Jews,for Jews 13:30  |  Hastaroth 17/07/07
  6.   #1 13:42  |  Moshe 17/07/07
  7.   Iran is the biggest killer of civilians Natallie 13:58  |  infidel 17/07/07
  8.   # 6, MOSHE 14:00  |  indrajaya 17/07/07
  9.   What Burston Does Not Say 14:44  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  10.   heres why... 14:56  |  ravi 17/07/07
  11.   #8 Indrahaha still does not understand 14:59  |  Hastaroth 17/07/07
  12.   Hastarot, but you know what that would mean? #5 15:24  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  13.   ISRAEL WAS CREATED IN A DAY FOR G-D`S GLORY ?? 15:28  |  Bill 17/07/07
  14.   yaakov 15:36  |  bev 17/07/07
  15.   I find this article disjointed and unclear 15:40  |  Don Camillo 17/07/07
  16.   Answer 15:40  |  Gene 17/07/07
  17.   Why Israeli was created? 15:41  |  JK 17/07/07
  18.   Why Israel was created, and why it`s still has problems 15:44  |  The Other Alan 17/07/07
  19.   bev justcan`t stop. just keeps going 15:50  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  20.   don were you dino? 15:52  |  bev 17/07/07
  21.   Because there would be no word without Israel 15:53  |  Avrohom ben Oded 17/07/07
  22.   Indrajaya is out to lunch 15:56  |  Ruben 17/07/07
  23.   Yaakov Sullivan??? 15:57  |  Boris 17/07/07
  24.   Yaakov Sullivan??? 15:58  |  Boris 17/07/07
  25.   #8 16:20  |  Moshe 17/07/07
  26.   Simple answers for simple questions 16:26  |  Emad Matahin 17/07/07
  27.   Isael Is a Creation of the United nations - They Should Fix It! 16:34  |  mike 17/07/07
  28.   Settlers are the Menorah Flame of Zionism Authentic Vision , 16:34  |  Joseph E . 17/07/07
  29.   # 5 Hastaroth..ONLY JEWS 16:45  |  emad matahin 17/07/07
  30.   BRADLEY NEEDS A HISTORY LESSON SO DOES 16:59  |  paul harris 17/07/07
  31.   ISRAEL HAS NOT BEEN CREATED. ISRAEL WAS RE-BORNED THANKS TO… 17:06  |  MOSHEH 17/07/07
  32.   What SULLIVAN Does not say 17:18  |  pace306 17/07/07
  33.   #12 Yaacov Sullivan 17:21  |  Boycott 17/07/07
  34.   INSANITY #2 17:25  |  aLAN 17/07/07
  35.   #16 Gene 17:25  |  Boycott 17/07/07
  36.   4 3excellent points 17:25  |  Dan 17/07/07
  37.   `13` bev 17:32  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  38.   Yaakov, Bev and Moral Relativism 17:45  |  Dyinglikeflies 17/07/07
  39.   #26 17:53  |  Moshe 17/07/07
  40.   refugees from sudan 17:59  |  saul a. readner 17/07/07
  41.   What pace 306 cannot admit #28 18:00  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  42.   Sderot and our continued existence 18:00  |  Tzfonit 17/07/07
  43.   TO NATALIE - War Crimes 18:03  |  Nicole 17/07/07
  44.   `20" bev 18:05  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  45.   Stubborness, pride, stupidy , or martyrdom 18:08  |  Avrum 17/07/07
  46.   Mr. Burston might want to learn some history 18:26  |  Gee 17/07/07
  47.   Reply to Saul # 35 18:34  |  Avrum 17/07/07
  48.   Can`t but agree with Natallie Durson 18:44  |  Michael N 17/07/07
  49.   Dyinglikeflies #35 on moral relativism 18:45  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  50.   Different answers by different political parties 18:50  |  Tosefta 17/07/07
  51.   Created FOR God, exists BY The Grace of God. 18:59  |  NeverForget 17/07/07
  52.   Don Camillo 19:03  |  Gina 17/07/07
  53.   Tzfonit -- sounds utopian 19:11  |  Gina 17/07/07
  54.   `41" Nicole 19:16  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  55.   Why was this article creatred? does it exist? 19:19  |  ScotGuy 17/07/07
  56.   #2 Natallie Durson fails the 3-D test 19:20  |  Eugene 17/07/07
  57.   Natallie You Are Captivating Me! Ooh La La! 19:20  |  Yosemite 17/07/07
  58.   #39 Sullivan and the great arab myths go on 19:26  |  pace306 17/07/07
  59.   to avrum 19:30  |  saul a. readner 17/07/07
  60.   #2 Natalie Durson 19:34  |  ScotGuy 17/07/07
  61.   labhras from bev 19:43  |  bev 17/07/07
  62.   boycott what do you know about Jewsih Values? 19:50  |  bev 17/07/07
  63.   Different answers by different political parties 19:51  |  Tosefta 17/07/07
  64.   #46 Gina My Plan 19:58  |  Tzfonit 17/07/07
  65.   More hypocritical innanaties from BB 20:01  |  BK 17/07/07
  66.   # 2 Sure there were intention for evacuation... 20:06  |  Misha 17/07/07
  67.   bev and her yarns churned up #55 20:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  68.   Mike #25 20:28  |  David Israel 17/07/07
  69.   Good Article Bradley 20:32  |  Bill 17/07/07
  70.   it`s the fulfillment of prophecy. 20:56  |  maria 17/07/07
  71.   #39 20:58  |  Moshe 17/07/07
  72.   the prophets are very clear..... 21:15  |  maria 17/07/07
  73.   Tzfonit 21:17  |  Gina 17/07/07
  74.   Moshe and the usual line ad nauseum #60 21:38  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  75.   Yaakov Sullivan #62 21:55  |  Gee 17/07/07
  76.   #29 Moshe, er, not exactly!!! 22:01  |  ballistic 17/07/07
  77.   Tosefta #56 - List of Reasons and history`s verdict 22:03  |  dana 17/07/07
  78.   #66 yaakov on broadway makes an entrance 22:04  |  victor hardman 17/07/07
  79.   #66part2 the peace treaties with egypt /jordan 22:06  |  victor hardman 17/07/07
  80.   Gina #66 22:08  |  GABE1 17/07/07
  81.   yaakov 22:14  |  bev 17/07/07
  82.   so says mr hardman from belfast #75 22:22  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  83.   tzfonit great post #60 22:31  |  bev 17/07/07
  84.   Why should settlers get compensation 22:44  |  A friend 17/07/07
  85.   Israel exists 22:47  |  Alone ben Caro 17/07/07
  86.   Gee, you are an example of why peace is not attainable #73 22:59  |  Yaakov Sullivan 17/07/07
  87.   Gina #71 What peaceful gestures? 23:13  |  Tzfonit 17/07/07
  88.   `65" Yaakov Sullivan re bev 23:14  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  89.   The most pertinent line.... 23:19  |  Silvienne 17/07/07
  90.   #72 Say Maria; is that you?? Where have you been? 23:20  |  ballistic 17/07/07
  91.   Gaza cvilian centers should be target with rockets and artillery 23:23  |  bernard ross 17/07/07
  92.   Secret revealed prematurely (Dana #77) 23:24  |  Tosefta 17/07/07
  93.   `76" Victor Hardman 23:29  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  94.   "71" Gina 23:41  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  95.   ballistic 23:43  |  maria 17/07/07
  96.   `87" Tzfonit 23:56  |  Labhras 17/07/07
  97.   #29: who has a "right" to this land 23:57  |  zvi 17/07/07
  98.   Receive Sudan Refugees in West Bank Settlements 00:00  |  Yosef 18/07/07
  99.   Tzfonit -- since you didn`t answer my question 00:34  |  Gina 18/07/07
  100.   Labhras -- so then tell me 00:47  |  Gina 18/07/07
  101.   labrat athiest and agnostic are not the same. get a dictionary(en 00:51  |  bev 18/07/07
  102.   #95 Maria, Nellis is here in Vegas. 01:06  |  ballistic 18/07/07
  103.   Labhras 01:09  |  OJB 18/07/07
  104.   I DON`T KNOW HOW MORE DELUSIONAL YOU CAN GET 02:01  |  TheLandForPeaceMyth 18/07/07
  105.   Derekh Erets Zuta 02:33  |  DJStahl 18/07/07
  106.   Tosefta #63, Dana #77 ..Paying The Price.. 03:01  |  Tim R 18/07/07
  107.   God made man and man made G-d and Israel. 03:11  |  Jagdish Potdar 18/07/07
  108.   #50, Tosefta, you left out the Zionists 03:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  109.   Tzfonit #87 03:29  |  GABE1 18/07/07
  110.   Yaakov #49-Wishful Thinking? 03:36  |  Dyinglikeflies 18/07/07
  111.   Let the settlers stay where they are! 03:56  |  David Erlichman 18/07/07
  112.   Why is it "odd", Bradley Burston? 04:03  |  Johnboy 18/07/07
  113.   `101" bev 04:12  |  Labhras 18/07/07
  114.   tosefta& Dana #77 04:12  |  American in NY 18/07/07
  115.   "Yaakov" re bev 05:24  |  Danite 18/07/07
  116.   Toseftas humour 05:26  |  Danite 18/07/07
  117.   dana hannah #77 05:27  |  Danite 18/07/07
  118.   dana 05:44  |  The Hebrew Hammer 18/07/07
  119.   Yaakov Sullivan 05:50  |  TT 18/07/07
  120.   Tim R # 106 - on arrogance and paying prices - Lakshmi check! 05:53  |  dana 18/07/07
  121.   Danite #117 - let`s play a little fun game, shall we? 06:09  |  dana 18/07/07
  122.   Selfrighteous 06:14  |  Mohan 18/07/07
  123.   Jews for Jews 06:18  |  Mohan 18/07/07
  124.   Humor for Martians? (Cipora #108) 06:19  |  Tosefta 18/07/07
  125.   Hastaroth`s truth 06:23  |  Mohan 18/07/07
  126.   Gabe1 # 80 (sec try) 06:24  |  Gina 18/07/07
  127.   #114, American in NY: "I live in a backwater" 06:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  128.   Yo, Haaretz?? 06:37  |  Webster 18/07/07
  129.   #77, "Israel is becoming a superpower" 06:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  130.   #127, Cipora Julianna Kohn 07:30  |  Thomas Jackson 18/07/07
  131.   GOD CREATED ISRAEL 07:44  |  Cervant 18/07/07
  132.   QUESTION NOT THE WORK OF GOD 07:45  |  Indrajaya 18/07/07
  133.   #97 zvi, where your musings start to break down... 07:57  |  Johnboy 18/07/07
  134.   Clickyfool 08:04  |  Willy 18/07/07
  135.   Ruff Ruff, Dumbite #116 08:14  |  Tony the Poodle 18/07/07
  136.   # 125, MOHAN 08:39  |  indrajaya 18/07/07
  137.   dana about Jekyll & Hyde (maybe part 1) 08:53  |  S 18/07/07
  138.   Why Israel was created 09:07  |  keith 18/07/07
  139.   Israel should not exist 09:35  |  Jack Davis 18/07/07
  140.   dana about Jekyll & Hyde part 2 09:44  |  S 18/07/07
  141.   The End !? 09:45  |  Andy 18/07/07
  142.   # 138, KEITH 09:58  |  indrajaya 18/07/07
  143.   #130, Thomas Jackson 10:18  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  144.   #121, dana 10:27  |  Thomas Jackson 18/07/07
  145.   #137, 140, S, "what a busy night" 10:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  146.   #143, Cipora Julianna Kohn 10:37  |  Thomas Jackson 18/07/07
  147.   Thomas Jackson 10:52  |  S 18/07/07
  148.   Why Israel was created etc. etc. 11:00  |  Raymond Deane 18/07/07
  149.   #146, Thomas Jackson 11:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/07/07
  150.   Cipora #145 - Lucky, lucky... 12:40  |  dana 18/07/07
  151.   CJK 15:29  |  American in NY 18/07/07
  152.   To keith # 138 - `Palestinian land` is in Arabia. 16:35  |  Dolly 18/07/07
  153.   To Keith # 138 16:59  |  Dolly 18/07/07
  154.   An idea on the Darfur refugees.. 17:15  |  Michael Greenberg 18/07/07
  155.   settlers as colonizers 17:26  |  zvi 18/07/07
  156.   Why Israel was created..... 19:26  |  Dagma 18/07/07
  157.   Why Israel still exists.[Part 2] 19:41  |  Dagma 18/07/07
  158.   Sderot 21:26  |  paul 18/07/07
  159.   #142, indrajaya 00:44  |  Ibrahim Shvonce 19/07/07
  160.   Tosefta & Dana 00:45  |  American in NY 19/07/07
  161.   Dana #120 Is That So ? How Informed Are You? (Part 1) 01:18  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  162.   S #140 Well Said 01:45  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  163.   The author misses the critical big picture 04:15  |  Glenn Fuller 19/07/07
  164.   S #137 - On differences in perception - Part I 04:41  |  dana 19/07/07
  165.   S #140 - more on differences in perception Part II 04:58  |  dana 19/07/07
  166.   S #137, 140 - postscript 05:08  |  dana 19/07/07
  167.   #138 Keith 05:17  |  Ibrahim Shvonce 19/07/07
  168.   Does Bernard Ross Advocate Atrocities? 05:22  |  Glenn Fuller 19/07/07
  169.   #229, dana p2 05:33  |  Thomas Jackson 19/07/07
  170.   Thomas Jackson 05:46  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  171.   #148 Pals growing not Shrinking 05:49  |  Glenn Fuller 19/07/07
  172.   #166, Thomas Jackson 06:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  173.   #145, S, post script 07:24  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  174.   Thomas Jackson #167 07:49  |  dana 19/07/07
  175.   Dana #162 Ask Tim? 07:57  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  176.   #163, dana 08:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  177.   Thomas Jackson #166 Why don`t You Answer It Here? 08:03  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  178.   Cipora JK #149 - Presumptions and Boogey-Men 09:14  |  dana 19/07/07
  179.   S and Cipora: Take a Peek on the Previous TB 09:26  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  180.   Cipora JK #174? let`s talk "extra-judicial"... 09:33  |  dana 19/07/07
  181.   dana #`s 163-165 (what organization!) 09:52  |  S 19/07/07
  182.   Darfur refugees 10:14  |  Mohamed Osman 19/07/07
  183.   dana #179 10:20  |  S 19/07/07
  184.   #178, Tim R 1 10:21  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  185.   Dana #179 And What Do You Call The Deliberate Targeting and 10:29  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  186.   #178, Tim R 2 10:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  187.   Tim R #160 - Iran side shows - Part I 10:36  |  dana 19/07/07
  188.   Dana #120 How Informed are You? 10:39  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  189.   #179, dana 10:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  190.   Tim R #160 - Iran side shows - Part II 10:48  |  dana 19/07/07
  191.   Tim R #161 - whose neck? 10:52  |  dana 19/07/07
  192.   Tim R #174 - circling the wagons, I see 11:04  |  dana 19/07/07
  193.   dana #`s 163-165 (what organization!) second try -with changes 11:42  |  S 19/07/07
  194.   Dana #186 Ahmadinejad and Other Haters 12:30  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  195.   #187, Tim R 12:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  196.   Dana #186 Ahmedinejad (Part 2) 12:38  |  Tim R 19/07/07
  197.   #192, dana 13:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  198.   Cipora: it`s a waste of your time 15:56  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  199.   Mohamed Osman 15:58  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  200.   I fail to see the cleverness 16:00  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  201.   #147: S, more on paranoids 16:01  |  Thomas Jackson 19/07/07
  202.   Tim R 16:02  |  Hannah 19/07/07
  203.   Absolutely right 17:58  |  Amir 19/07/07
  204.   CJK #197 17:59  |  American in NY 19/07/07
  205.   #147: S, more on paranoids 19:33  |  Thomas Jackson 19/07/07
  206.   #160, American in NY 21:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  207.   #199, American in NY 21:46  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  208.   CJK my #151 22:08  |  American in NY 19/07/07
  209.   One that speaks of Israel w/out mention of Gd understands nothing 22:34  |  Ronn 19/07/07
  210.   To dana # 120 - Who`s paying the price 22:48  |  Dagma 19/07/07
  211.   #202, sent a general response yet to appear 23:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/07/07
  212.   Tim R , cyber dunce history lesson repeat. 23:07  |  American in NY 19/07/07
  213.   re:86 yaakov 23:51  |  Alone ben Caro 19/07/07
  214.   Hannah from Israel #198 -200 - content-free zone 00:41  |  dana (ETS) 20/07/07
  215.   Ahmedinajad quote 01:05  |  whodey 20/07/07
  216.   Igor in New York #212 Oh No..They Have Sent Their Henchman 01:14  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  217.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #184 I Agree With Your Assessment of Them 01:42  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  218.   Ahmedinajad quote - part 2 01:52  |  whodey 20/07/07
  219.   CJK #184 pt 1/2 02:00  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  220.   CJK #184 Pt 2/2 02:01  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  221.   Tim R #217 02:04  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  222.   American in NY #221 The Liberty 02:37  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  223.   This is our Home Bradley.. Keep talking.. 03:06  |  Akram Zekaria 20/07/07
  224.   CJK #207 P 1/2 04:29  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  225.   CJK #207 p 2/2 04:30  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  226.   To All, 04:33  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  227.   219# American in NY.The Pals are only for the money. 04:57  |  Akram Zekaria 20/07/07
  228.   Tim R #188, 196 - Ahmendinejab translation - check Whodey posts 05:01  |  dana 20/07/07
  229.   Dana #190 "Another Zionist Plot" 05:13  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  230.   Dana #190 Continued 05:20  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  231.   Dana #191 This Is Turning Into A Boring Lie.. 05:24  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  232.   American in NY - Posts to CJK 05:36  |  dana 20/07/07
  233.   Dana #228 And They Accuse Us Jews Of Talmudic Quibbling 05:37  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  234.   American in NY #226 - not too much fun now, OK? 05:53  |  dana 20/07/07
  235.   #225, "significance of knowing only two Jewish people" 1 07:14  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  236.   #225, significance...only two Jewish people" 2 07:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  237.   #233 Tim R verbals Ahmedinajad 07:36  |  Johnboy 20/07/07
  238.   #224, "motivated by what is best for America" 1 07:40  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  239.   #177: Tim R, on Ahmadinejad, and that ?Grrr? you heard 07:47  |  Thomas Jackson 20/07/07
  240.   #224, "motivated by what is best for America" 2 07:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  241.   To whodey #215 - Ahmadinejad quote 08:06  |  Dagma 20/07/07
  242.   #224, "motivated by what is best for America" 3 08:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  243.   #224, "They are acting and talking like loyal Americans" 08:23  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  244.   #124, "Syria was a strategic threat" 08:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  245.   Tim R #233 - I agree. This is going nowhere 09:26  |  dana 20/07/07
  246.   #177: Tim R, on Ahmadinejad, and that ?Grrr? you heard, p2/2 10:21  |  Thomas Jackson 20/07/07
  247.   Thomas Jackson - #239, 246 - Post-to-BB 11:40  |  dana 20/07/07
  248.   Thomas Jackson #246 Two Sides To A Story I Know They Are Your.. 12:21  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  249.   Thomas Jackson #246 About Mastiffs And Poodles 12:35  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  250.   dana about "This is going nowhere" 13:17  |  S 20/07/07
  251.   Thomas Jackson: ..On Second Thought.. 13:36  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  252.   Tim R #248 I agree with you 13:42  |  S 20/07/07
  253.   #249, Tim R 13:57  |  Thomas Jackson 20/07/07
  254.   Thomas Jackson: Oh And This one too.. 13:59  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  255.   Johnboy #237 What Can I Say 14:55  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  256.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #243 Well Said 15:00  |  Tim R 20/07/07
  257.   TIM R, Commander Yoda Starbucks CP 15:43  |  American in NY 20/07/07
  258.   Tim R #248 I agree with you (second try) 15:44  |  S 20/07/07
  259.   dana about "This is going nowhere" second try 15:48  |  S 20/07/07
  260.   #251, Tim R 19:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/07/07
  261.   dana 23:13  |  Thomas Jackson 20/07/07
  262.   S #258 Yes, I Have This Theory 00:36  |  Tim R 21/07/07
  263.   Cipora #260 00:44  |  Tim R 21/07/07
  264.   Thomas Jackson #253 00:50  |  Tim R 21/07/07
  265.   #262, Tim R 02:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/07/07
  266.   #265: Cipora JK, on "fuzzy logic" and other occult methods 05:52  |  Thomas Jackson 21/07/07
  267.   #258: S, question about paranoia 06:09  |  Thomas Jackson 21/07/07
  268.   Game Playing??? Were BOTH #253 AND #267 Written By TJ??? 07:57  |  Tim R 21/07/07
  269.   Thomas Jackson #266 re Cipora JK #265 - logistics time! 07:58  |  Alter Ego 21/07/07
  270.   #266, Thomas Jackson 09:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/07/07
  271.   #268, Tim R 09:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/07/07
  272.   Thomas Jackson: It`s Strange How .. 09:46  |  Tim R 21/07/07
  273.   Cipora JK, TimR, S, Alter Ego 17:51  |  Thomas Jackson 21/07/07
  274.   S #250 - checking in, all too briefly 18:04  |  dana 21/07/07
  275.   dana #274 08:54  |  S 22/07/07
  276.   Knock, knock, anyone there at Haaretz to put out posts? 11:20  |  S 22/07/07
  277.   Why Israel was created, why it still exists 16:06  |  Simon Trober 31/07/07
  278.   ONLY SALVATION THRU CHRIST THE PROMISED MESSIAH 16:39  |  FISHERS OF MEN 14/08/07
  279.   A secular view 00:59  |  Doug Adams 29/12/08
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