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Why can't Jews and Palestinians make peace?
By Bradley Burston

It may come as little surprise that efforts to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict bear striking similarities to approaches to the treatment of mental illness.

There are those who advocate talk sessions, in which the same problems may be discussed and analyzed for years on end before a reaching a breakthrough ? which may prove fleeting at best.

There are the proponents, as well as the vociferous, morally outraged critics, of performing radical forms of surgery to cure intractable ills.

There are those who believe that religion, not science or reason, can put the demons to rest.

And, of course, in the Middle East as in psychotherapy, it is at times difficult to tell with certainty which are the doctors and which the patients.

Analysis of the Israel-Palestine impasse is often thoughtful and frequently creative, but has been unable to yield a working solution to the dispute. Whole libraries of journalistic observation, learned commentary and academic research have been devoted to one version or another of the central question - What's wrong with these people? Why in heaven's name are the Israelis and Palestinians unable to make so much as a semblance of peace? The data mount, the pile of prospective solutions towers higher by the year, but the Israel-Palestine war stumbles on.

In general, fresh approaches to the conflict tend to be activist in nature. Which makes all the more revolutionary the thesis of a remarkable new proposal: Let the Middle East alone.

A recent Prospect magazine cover is headed "Why the Middle East doesn't matter," highlighting a remarkable article by historian Edward Luttwak which, with a perverse elan and a clearly intentional political incorrectness, suggests how analysts and well-meaning foreign governments may have gotten the Mideast conflict dead wrong.

"The operational mistake that Middle East experts keep making is the failure to recognize that backward societies must be left alone," Luttwak writes. He attacks what he calls Arab-Israeli catastrophism, or "five minutes to midnight" syndrome, in which the Mideast conflict is continually viewed as the trigger of an imminent apocalypse (just this week, columnist Roger Cohen, writing in The New York Times, alluded to the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation as "The mother of all conflicts").

According to Luttwak, both the hardline and "softline" approaches are doomed to failure. Hardliners keep suggesting that with a bit of well-aimed violence ('the Arabs only understand force') compliance will be obtained. But what happens every time is an increase in hostility; defeat is followed not by collaboration, but by sullen non-cooperation and active resistance too."

As for "softliners,' who argue "that if only this or that concession were made, if only their policies were followed through to the end and respect shown, or simulated, hostility would cease and a warm Mediterranean amity would emerge," Luttwak counters that Islam "promises superiority in all things for its believers, so that the scientific and technological and cultural backwardness of the lands of Islam generates a constantly renewed sense of humiliation and of civilisational defeat. That fully explains the ubiquity of Muslim violence, and reveals the futility of the palliatives urged by the softliners."

"With neither invasions nor friendly engagements, the peoples of the Middle East should finally be allowed to have their own history, the one thing that Middle East experts of all stripes seem determined to deny them," Luttwak concludes.

There are signs that Luttwak may already be getting his wish. Last month, at the height of the Hamas-Fatah fighting, Newsweek found it necessary to title a cover piece "Why Gaza matters."

It may also be argued that the world's obsession with the Middle East conflict, the media's wall-to-wall coverage of it - as opposed to Darfur, say, or other conflicts in which many more people are dying in places the media finds less attractive to major viewing markets - all this compounded by the extremism and lack of perspective of many Diaspora supporters of Israel or of Palestine, works to the advantage of militants and makes the conflict that much more difficult to solve.

The impression Luttwak's article makes, is that even if Israelis and Palestinians cannot find a solution, the world will manage somehow. He's probably right. What he doesn't specify, doubtless intentionally, is how Israelis and Palestinians are going to be able to manage.

What, then, are some of the factors making this particular form of mental illness so resistant to treatment? What, in sum, is the matter with these people? Herewith a few:

  • They are profoundly, irreparably childish in a way only adults deprived of a childhood can be.

  • They are addicted to blame as a way of life. They cannot look at themselves as anything other than victims. They cannot look at the other as anything other than usurpers.

  • They desperately need help and advice, but cannot bring themselves to accept it. They tend to be unable to help themselves. They tend to act in ways which defeat their own declare aims. They tend to declare aims which defeat their own ability to reach a solution. They tend to be unable to shed or modify the aims which keep them from providing for the welfare of their own people, aims which keep them from making peace with their neighbors.

  • Their spiritual advisors, who, it turns out, are also political kingpins, insist that scripture is proof of real estate ownership.

  • Their hardliners, bolstered by their supporters abroad ? who are often even more extreme in their views, equate compromise with treason, failure of will, selling out, crimes against history.

  • Convinced of its own moral purity, neither side can abide the idea of moral equivalency any more than it can accept the concept of shared responsibility for the problems and their eventual solution.

    Inevitably, perhaps, it may in the end take the darkest cloud on the horizon to supply a silver lining for any of this.

    In short, we may have radical Islamism to thank for doing what no government of good will, no Western mediation, could have done.

    It took the waking nightmare of Islam to force the Arab league to endorse a Hail Mary deal with Israel. It took the same waking nightmare to force Israel to stop sidestepping the offer it could not afford to refuse.

    Will this be of any help? We may find out on Thursday, when the foreign ministers of Egypt and Jordan are expected to lead an Arab League mission to Israel for talks on the pan-Arab peace initiative. The meeting, if it comes off, will be the first visit to Israel by an official delegation from the 22-member organization.

    In the meanwhile - and doubtless afterward - therapy is indicated. That, and prayer.

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      200.   Hear Ye Natallie!!! 03:08  |  John 10/07/07
      201.   #136 Yes, Wh there are many nuts on this forum.... 03:08  |  Dutch 10/07/07
      202.   Elusive peace 03:08  |  Baz Mann 10/07/07
      203.   C.Kohn 03:15  |  John 10/07/07
      204.   #147: Jeff Northridge 03:30  |  A friend from India 10/07/07
      205.   #197, Ronnie 03:38  |  Hannah 10/07/07
      206.   Death of the piece option by the banal reality 03:39  |  Ed 10/07/07
      207.   Tosefta # 152 Your Alternate Theories (part 2) 03:40  |  Jeff Northridge 10/07/07
      208.   #202, Baz Mann 03:56  |  Hannah 10/07/07
      209.   *22 INDRAJAYA . 03:58  |  Bill 10/07/07
      210.   Hannah 04:01  |  Gina 10/07/07
      211.   #193: peace from the USA: I SALUTE YOU 04:08  |  A friend from India 10/07/07
      212.   Hannah # 205 04:12  |  Gina 10/07/07
      213.   Tosefta # 152 Your Alternate Theories (part 3) 04:14  |  Jeff Northridge 10/07/07
      214.   Soltuion Guy 04:15  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/07/07
      215.   Making peace 04:16  |  Sam 10/07/07
      216.   BRADLEY BECUASE PEACE REQUIRES JUSTICE 04:19  |  John 10/07/07
      217.   Countries too, Soltuion Guy 04:20  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/07/07
      218.   *149 TOSEFTA 04:23  |  Bill 10/07/07
      219.   Dana 04:23  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 10/07/07
      220.   boycott.....re. bill from nz..... 04:27  |  maria 10/07/07
      221.   Pharaoh of False Facts, I (Jeff Northridge #199) 04:44  |  Tosefta 10/07/07
      222.   Ready for rehab.... 04:48  |  Webster 10/07/07
      223.   Tosefta # 152 Your Alternate Theories (part 4) 04:51  |  Jeff Northridge 10/07/07
      224.   #201 DORIS LEADS THE NUTS ON THIS FORUM 04:52  |  paul harris 10/07/07
      225.   Accept the obvious 04:56  |  Mark Lincoln 10/07/07
      226.   lakshmi #148 thanks 05:00  |  Polybios 10/07/07
      227.   Because Palestinians don`t want peace 05:06  |  RA 10/07/07
      228.   dana the arabist apologist 05:14  |  peter 10/07/07
      229.   Jeff - Tosefta; on history 05:26  |  Polybios 10/07/07
      230.   Polybios 05:27  |  Me 10/07/07
      231.   And the answer from Dutch is?..... 05:31  |  bbl 10/07/07
      232.   Polybios 05:32  |  Jewy 10/07/07
      233.   Alain 05:37  |  Solution Guy 10/07/07
      234.   lakshmi - your turn 05:37  |  Polybios 10/07/07
      235.   Me - Jewy 05:42  |  Polybios 10/07/07
      236.   #210/212, Gina 05:49  |  Hannah 10/07/07
      237.   Did god kill every first born egyption 06:00  |  Billy Jack 10/07/07
      238.   A friend from India # 204 Explanation 06:03  |  Jeff Northridge 10/07/07
      239.   The meek shall inherit the earth. 06:22  |  jack 10/07/07
      240.   # 94, YOSEMITE (THE JEWISH FRIEND OF MINE) 06:29  |  indrajaya 10/07/07
      241.   Who cares 06:30  |  Bill 10/07/07
      242.   Paraoh of False Facts, II (Jeff Northridge #207) 06:40  |  Tosefta 10/07/07
      243.   Hannah -- MEMRI shows Palestinians clerics as they are 08:08  |  Gina 10/07/07
      244.   Indrajaya (The Muslim Friend Of Mine) 08:32  |  Yosemite 10/07/07
      245.   #243, Gina 09:02  |  Hannah 10/07/07
      246.   Hannah -- why are you bothered by the truth? 09:21  |  Gina 10/07/07
      247.   A more befitting title 10:17  |  Shalom Schwarz 10/07/07
      248.   People need to back off. 10:58  |  sg 10/07/07
      249.   #148 lakshmi - Catch up or go under 11:30  |  Michael Jacobs 10/07/07
      250.   #245 Hannah, Re The truth about Zionism 11:34  |  Dutch 10/07/07
      251.   Indrajaya , Please consider this on Begin 12:11  |  Dutch 10/07/07
      252.   bbi, I am sorry can`t oblige 12:25  |  Dutch 10/07/07
      253.   Dutch - `We don`t take orders from Jews` 13:17  |  Michael Jacobs 10/07/07
      254.   # 253, MICHAEL JACOBS 13:55  |  indrajaya 10/07/07
      255.   # 253, MICHAEL JACOBS 13:55  |  indrajaya 10/07/07
      256.   indrajaya - Is it smart to fight against Israel? 14:45  |  Michael Jacobs 10/07/07
      257.   Hope for Peace 15:03  |  Prosperity 10/07/07
      258.   # 256, MICHAEL JACOBS 15:06  |  indrajaya 10/07/07
      259.   Indrajaya, You cannot take Begin`s call away from him.... 16:45  |  Dutch 10/07/07
      260.   my opinion 18:13  |  marco 10/07/07
      261.   Israeli and Palestinian parents ARE making peace - London 11/7 23:45  |  Don Camillo 10/07/07
      262.   Jews and Palestinians 23:45  |  Garry 10/07/07
      263.   234Polybios,thanks but no thanks,this Fuad Ajami work looks like 23:49  |  lakshmi 10/07/07
      264.   #120 Margie in Tel Aviv 00:30  |  Boycott 11/07/07
      265.   #168, dana 00:30  |  Thomas Jackson 11/07/07
      266.   #128 Jeff Northridge 00:35  |  Boycott 11/07/07
      267.   #189 Bill in NZ 00:42  |  Boycott 11/07/07
      268.   Because they have turned their religion into the tool of the 00:44  |  BluntlyPut 11/07/07
      269.   Thomas Jackson #265 - No Problem other than 03:07  |  dana 11/07/07
      270.   indrajaya - What is terrorism? 03:38  |  Michael Jacobs 11/07/07
      271.   Bob, That is ABSURD. You`ve been reading to much Koran 06:08  |  ThinkAgain 11/07/07
      272.   #269, dana 07:04  |  Thomas Jackson 11/07/07
      273.   hate 07:17  |  justice 11/07/07
      274.   # 270, MICHAEL JACOBS 08:29  |  indrajaya 11/07/07
      275.   After all they were n would be living side by side !! 08:49  |  Al F Kemal 11/07/07
      276.   #269, dana (2nd try) 09:52  |  Thomas Jackson 11/07/07
      277.   Boycott: what price history? 10:16  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 11/07/07
      278.   # 43 , # 44 Feigenbaum 10:45  |  Andrew Watson 11/07/07
      279.   # 58 ChannahS 10:51  |  Andrew Watson 11/07/07
      280.   # 75 David Israel 10:56  |  Andrew Watson 11/07/07
      281.   indrajaya - No justification for terror 11:09  |  Michael Jacobs 11/07/07
      282.   Andrew Watson # 279 13:27  |  ChanahS 11/07/07
      283.   If I were unhindered, I would 14:33  |  S 11/07/07
      284.   Drop Prozac in the water supply 15:40  |  Bill 11/07/07
      285.   Michael Jacob Dwelling on the wrong receipe for success 16:15  |  Dutch 11/07/07
      286.   Dana 16:18  |  American in NY 11/07/07
      287.   #277 Margie in Tel Aviv (2nd try) 16:19  |  Boycott 11/07/07
      288.   Poor dana! Between a rock and a hard place... 17:10  |  S 11/07/07
      289.   Ronnie 17:11  |  k 11/07/07
      290.   Bruriah Sarah 17:23  |  k 11/07/07
      291.   Jews and Palestinians will never make Peace 17:24  |  Dolly 11/07/07
      292.   To Dolly #291 - Arabs will not accept Jews next door. 19:13  |  Dagma 11/07/07
      293.   Dutch - How do the Arabs treat Israel? 19:15  |  Michael Jacobs 11/07/07
      294.   Peace will come when the arabs stop occupying Israel 20:19  |  sam gorin 11/07/07
      295.   Andrew Watson #280 20:28  |  David Israel 11/07/07
      296.   Hey S, when you see my good buddy the Starbucks Commando 23:34  |  American in NY 11/07/07
      297.   Why can`t Jews and Palestinians make peace 23:41  |  alex 11/07/07
      298.   "Palestine" is code for the destruction of Israel. 01:42  |  Chaim 12/07/07
      299.   sheer stupidity 02:44  |  zeev 12/07/07
      300.   It is the most complicated conflict 05:13  |  Abu Aladdin 12/07/07
      301.   Mandatory Racial Mixing For 5-10 Years 05:15  |  Yosemite 12/07/07
      302.   #298 Chaim 08:04  |  alex 12/07/07
      303.   Thomas Jackson #272, 276 08:26  |  dana 12/07/07
      304.   American in NY #296 09:05  |  S 12/07/07
      305.   # 282 ChanahS 09:25  |  Andrew Watson 12/07/07
      306.   Abu Alladin - Who holds the key to the solution? 09:25  |  Michael Jacobs 12/07/07
      307.   # 295 David Israel 09:37  |  Andrew Watson 12/07/07
      308.   # 306 Michael Jacobs 10:06  |  Andrew Watson 12/07/07
      309.   S #288, 304 - Two or Three things to contemplate 11:17  |  dana 12/07/07
      310.   S #304 - Two or Three things to contemplate - Part II 11:48  |  dana 12/07/07
      311.   Human first nature : war 13:57  |  Alex Ensor 12/07/07
      312.   dana #309,310 14:25  |  S 12/07/07
      313.   To sam gorin # 294 - Its the Islamic Occupation 14:46  |  Dagma 12/07/07
      314.   To sam gorin #294 - The Islamic Occupation. 15:17  |  Dagma 12/07/07
      315.   Gina re conversation with Hannah 16:00  |  Lynn 12/07/07
      316.   # 314 Dagma, The first Christians were Jews. Islam fails to 16:06  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      317.   Dana #309 16:18  |  American in NY 12/07/07
      318.   Andrew Watson - First hand witness to Camp David 16:21  |  David Israel 12/07/07
      319.   So in answer to the question,Jews and Pals CAN make peace.Only by 16:21  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      320.   Interesting to note: prophecy of Zechariah begins in 1st person 16:30  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      321.   "Gedanken" experiment and an interesting question. 16:39  |  another physicist 12/07/07
      322.   The real problem 16:49  |  Gregory 12/07/07
      323.   They can make peace 16:51  |  Michel 12/07/07
      324.   # 321, Their striving is not to "Love their neighbor" 16:56  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      325.   peacefull people, hatefull powers 16:58  |  Michel 12/07/07
      326.   If they really wanted to throw stones at the devil as they 17:40  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      327.   #311,your right.If war is human nature than Peace:Divine nature. 17:53  |  Virginia 12/07/07
      328.   Gedanken experiment (Another physicist #321) 18:09  |  Yet another physicis 12/07/07
      329.   dana & ANY 18:17  |  S 12/07/07
      330.   #308 Andrew Watson - Blaming Israel on principle 18:41  |  Michael Jacobs 12/07/07
      331.   Because Arabs... 20:22  |  Michael Greenberg 12/07/07
      332.   Human first nature : war second part 21:40  |  Alex Ensor 12/07/07
      333.   To Hannah # 196 An Affron.... 23:09  |  Dolly 12/07/07
      334.   Peace between Israel and the Palestinians 23:54  |  Karl Jacobsen 12/07/07
      335.   Yes Alex, Shalom,Salaam, Peace-in my heart and yours, as for the 00:26  |  Virginia 13/07/07
      336.   #303, dana, p1 05:39  |  Thomas Jackson 13/07/07
      337.   #303, dana, p2 05:49  |  Thomas Jackson 13/07/07
      338.   #303, dana, p3 06:03  |  Thomas Jackson 13/07/07
      339.   A helpless mankind !! 06:17  |  Al F Kemal 13/07/07
      340.   Thomas Jackson # 336, 337, 338 - Pt I 06:28  |  dana 13/07/07
      341.   #286, American in NY 07:30  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/07/07
      342.   #303, dana 07:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/07/07
      343.   #310, dana 07:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/07/07
      344.   #317, American in NY 07:49  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/07/07
      345.   # 330 Michael Jacobs 09:46  |  Andrew Watson 13/07/07
      346.   # 318 David Israel 09:49  |  Andrew Watson 13/07/07
      347.   Andrew Watson - Blaming Israel 11:17  |  Michael Jacobs 13/07/07
      348.   Andrew watson #348 to david israel #318 11:27  |  dana 13/07/07
      349.   #342 Cipora JK 11:31  |  dana 13/07/07
      350.   American in NY #317 11:55  |  dana 13/07/07
      351.   American in NY #317 - Part 2 12:51  |  dana 13/07/07
      352.   259: But Dutch can keep lying about Begin (2nd try) 14:08  |  David Teich 13/07/07
      353.   349: Yes, Dana, the "model" of running away" 14:18  |  David Teich 13/07/07
      354.   S #329 16:50  |  American in NY