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Changing the paradigm
By Moshe Arens

Changing a paradigm may be as difficult as abandoning a deeply ingrained conception, but sometimes that is just what is needed. The time has come to reexamine the paradigm of "two states for two peoples" - Israel, and a Palestinian State in Judea, Samaria and Gaza.

This model for the resolution of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, first promoted by the far left, the admirers of Yasser Arafat and the advocates of "peace now," has made gradual inroads into the minds of most Israelis, and has been embraced by those who in the past were its most vocal opponents, like Ariel Sharon. It is now looked upon as axiomatic by Israelis, as well as by most foreign observers. U.S. President George Bush's road map, enthusiastically accepted by Sharon's government, and now religiously followed by Tzipi Livni, is an elaboration of this paradigm. By now it has become a holy cow that you touch at your peril.

Underlying the paradigm is the assumption that in what used to be the British Mandatory territory west of the Jordan river live two nations - Jews and Palestinians - each entitled to establish a nation-state in order to attain self-determination in part of this territory. The Jews having already done so, it is now only proper that the Palestinians will do the same. If this has not occurred as yet, it nevertheless is bound to happen sooner or later, and there is no use resisting the inevitable. On the contrary, every effort must be made to further this process. According to Livni, the establishment of a Palestinian nation-state west of the Jordan River has become one of Israel's national goals.

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It is convenient to assume that within the boundaries drawn by Messrs. Sykes and Picot during World War I, live different nations - the Iraqi nation, the Syrian nation, the Jordanian nation and, of course, the Palestinian nation since Churchill separated what used to be Transjordan from the rest of Mandatory Palestine in 1922. These nations certainly did not come into being instantaneously at the conclusion of World War I, but are assumed to have developed a national identity in the intervening close to 90 years. As for the Iraqi nation, this has been called into question by recent events there. Who knows about the Syrian nation, and the Jordanian nation, composed of more than 60 percent Palestinians? It is just the Palestinians that more than the others seem to have developed a national identity since 1948, displaced by the creation of Israel from a good part of their natural habitat, abandoned by their Arab allies, having to rely on themselves for the achievement of their goals.

Did the Palestinians west of the Jordan river see themselves as part of the Jordanian nation while Judea and Samaria were annexed to Jordan and awarded Jordanian citizenship during the period 1949-1967? Would return of Jordanian sovereignty to Judea and Samaria satisfy their feelings of national identity? At the present these are strictly hypothetical questions, because the rulers of Jordan simply do not want that headache; they made that clear 20-plus years ago. For that matter, it is clear that the Egyptians, who invaded Gaza in 1948, stayed there until 1956, and returned after the Israeli withdrawal in 1957, see no reason to take responsibility for Gaza. None of the Arab states are prepared to integrate the Palestinian refugees in their midst. And Israel, which has integrated the Palestinians living in Israel as equal citizens, does not want to integrate additional Palestinians in Judea, Samaria and Gaza as citizens of Israel. The sad fact is that nobody wants the Palestinians.

Does that mean that the establishment of a Palestinian state is the only solution? That Gaza must be linked to Judea and Samaria? What may have seemed obvious until recently has been called into question by the recent violence in Gaza. Had the Palestinians only shown that they are capable of governing themselves, of suppressing terrorism, so essential an element of national governance in the Middle East, of abiding by agreements signed by their leaders, the paradigm of two states for two nations might have seemed the appropriate one. But who wishes for a state where violence reigns, and acts of terrorism are encouraged? And who wants such a state as a neighbor? It is all very well to talk of strengthening Mahmoud Abbas in the hope that he well bring stability to the Palestinian territories and suppress terrorism, but is this a realistic outlook? Can he really be expected to take control of Judea and Samaria, and more challenging yet, to wrest control of Gaza from Hamas? As things stand now, it looks like we better start looking for another paradigm.

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  1.   Why should Israel and other countries care about PALS? PALS... 08:34  |  Vittorio 05/07/07
  2.   Arens Is Obviously Right. 08:43  |  Terry 05/07/07
  3.   THREE-STATES SOLUTION 08:44  |  indrajaya 05/07/07
  4.   paradigm - nice, erudite word... 08:47  |  michael cohen 05/07/07
  5.   Dont you mean 3 state solution- mustn`t forget Hamastan 08:50  |  The End Is Nigh 05/07/07
  6.   Well said Mr.Arens 08:51  |  Hastaroth 05/07/07
  7.   Mr. Arens 09:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/07/07
  8.   Crude propaganda. 09:42  |  Natallie Durson 05/07/07
  9.   An accurate analysis plus A new paradigm 09:43  |  Shalom Freedman 05/07/07
  10.   NEW Paradigm: TWO States & One CAGED TERRITORY Somewhere In Gaza. 09:44  |  Proud Pal Defender 05/07/07
  11.   The Arab leaders see the Pals as useful cannon fodder only 09:44  |  PETER SM 05/07/07
  12.   Absolutely, 2 states: Greater Eretz Israel = Israel + Jordan + 0. 09:54  |  Uzi 05/07/07
  13.   #3 Indra 09:57  |  Benny 05/07/07
  14.   5: No, Nigh, that would be the 4 State Solution 10:02  |  David Teich 05/07/07
  15.   To Mr. Michael Cohen, Arens is suggesting fresh thinking, sir.... 10:08  |  Pavel 05/07/07
  16.   NEW Paradigm: For HAMAS...A CAGED TERRITORY Somewhere In Gaza. 10:16  |  Proud Pal Defender 05/07/07
  17.   Big joke 10:33  |  Matteo 05/07/07
  18.   Divide the West Bank between Israel and Jordan 10:54  |  david singer 05/07/07
  19.   This article is a patent attempt to revive old canards and deny 10:57  |  lakshmi 05/07/07
  20.   # 10, # 16, PROUD PAL DEFENDER 10:59  |  indrajaya 05/07/07
  21.   Too late for two states 11:20  |  European 05/07/07
  22.   To Proud Pal Defender....No Point in trying to close the... 11:30  |  Klaudia 05/07/07
  23.   Pressure Jordan and Egypt 11:34  |  Slibovitz 05/07/07
  24.   And what please would be your alternative Mr? 11:42  |  Ananda 05/07/07
  25.   A "New" Paradigm 11:49  |  Generic Semite 05/07/07
  26.   One Palestinian State 11:54  |  Barry 05/07/07
  27.   INDRA#3. ISRAEL AS A UNIQUE STATE! THE SOLE POSSIBLE SOLUTION… 12:00  |  MOSHEH 05/07/07
  28.   Another Paradigm 12:03  |  Benjamin from Africa 05/07/07
  29.   #22, Klaudia 12:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/07/07
  30.   # 27, MOSHEH 12:25  |  indrajaya 05/07/07
  31.   To Cipora J. K. 12:53  |  Klaudia 05/07/07
  32.   Good point - but from which standpoint. And then what? 12:56  |  Sensible 05/07/07
  33.   Yes there should be a two state solution 13:02  |  N.Shaki 05/07/07
  34.   TOTAL DISARRAY..from jordan option to 2 state solutions to.. to.. 13:48  |  Ginger 05/07/07
  35.   It Was Time When Arafat Walked Away 13:49  |  Jane 05/07/07
  36.   ONE SOLUTION = ONE PALESTINE 13:50  |  Patriot 05/07/07
  37.   Seeing as we are not ready for one state 13:56  |  Tzfonit 05/07/07
  38.   What is said; what is unsaid 13:57  |  Murray 05/07/07
  39.   WHAT IS G-D`S ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM ?? 13:58  |  Bill. 05/07/07
  40.   NATALLI#8. EVEN IN MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT, YOU HAVE TO BEGIN… 14:17  |  MOSHEH 05/07/07
  41.   What G-D wants 14:17  |  N.shaki 05/07/07
  42.   Israel-Palestine 14:28  |  Georges Metanomski 05/07/07
  43.   INDRAJAYA#30. HAVE A LOOK TO THE POST#40 I WROTE TO NATALLI… 14:30  |  MOSHEH 05/07/07
  44.   Arens is too old to smell the coffee 1 14:30  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  45.   David Teich 14:35  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  46.   Arens is too old to smell the coffee 2 14:37  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  47.   Natallie Durson Reply 8 14:39  |  N.Shaki 05/07/07
  48.   One state solution 14:43  |  brit4palestine 05/07/07
  49.   # 7 CJK 14:45  |  Axel 05/07/07
  50.   Arens` Obvious New Paradigm 14:46  |  Burkhardt 05/07/07
  51.   A MESSAGE FOR SWISS DINO 14:47  |  MOSHEH 05/07/07
  52.   # 43, MOSHEH 15:00  |  indrajaya 05/07/07
  53.   Brit4palestine read answer 47 15:03  |  n.shaki 05/07/07
  54.   Use of the antiquated terms "Judea" and "Samari 15:03  |  Apartheid 05/07/07
  55.   #45, Margie in Tel Aviv 15:04  |  Burkhardt 05/07/07
  56.   The new paradigm: Florida is Israel. 15:06  |  Andreas 05/07/07
  57.   David Teich what do you know about the truth? 15:06  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  58.   YES! A Palestinian State With E. Jerusalem As Its Capital. 15:09  |  Proud Pal Defender 05/07/07
  59.   A DANCE WITH G-D ! 15:10  |  Atilla Liman 05/07/07
  60.   A Violent Dysfunctional People Deserves a State? 15:11  |  Yoram 05/07/07
  61.   The Bi-National state 15:16  |  Beatrice 05/07/07
  62.   And What Might That Paradigm Be, I wonder?? 15:17  |  Yaakov Sullivan 05/07/07
  63.   52Indrajaya,well said,Dahlan`s daughter,ofcourse,but do read 15:21  |  lakshmi 05/07/07
  64.   Thanks G-D ! There is haaretz 15:26  |  Atilla Liman 05/07/07
  65.   #50 THE BURK AND THE 1922 MANDATE 15:27  |  paul harris 05/07/07
  66.   re # 44&46 better listen to creator of Pal Nationalism p1 15:32  |  Alberto Cohen 05/07/07
  67.   re # 44&46 better listen to creator of Pal Nationalism p2 15:33  |  Alberto Cohen 05/07/07
  68.   #8 the "so called" Palestine state 15:35  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 05/07/07
  69.   A dance with God reply 15:36  |  n.shaki 05/07/07
  70.   a one state solution is inevitable 15:42  |  roberta 05/07/07
  71.   FINALLY GOING TO DEVIDE JERUSALEM AND TEMPLE MOUNT!!! 15:49  |  ITS UP TO YOU! 05/07/07
  72.   all very nice 15:52  |  rose 05/07/07
  73.   68 roberta 15:58  |  jon feigenbaum 05/07/07
  74.   56. "Forida is Israel" Nice one. I hope it turns up every time 16:05  |  Apartheid 05/07/07
  75.   Middle-East 3 State Con-Federation 16:10  |  Brian Freund 05/07/07
  76.   Alberto the historian in Rio 16:12  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  77.   The no state solution 16:14  |  Mark Lincoln 05/07/07
  78.   APARTHEID.like the use of the term Al Quds by your side 16:15  |  PETER SM 05/07/07
  79.   Alberto ..Tell us about your mentality 16:16  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 05/07/07
  80.   Is that a promise, Mr. Feigenbaum? 16:22  |  Murray 05/07/07
  81.   Solution has always been there 16:29  |  Chick 05/07/07
  82.   The Pals as the new Jews...they need a homeland in Palestine 16:37  |  Me 05/07/07
  83.   Vittorio - What? 16:49  |  Italians Stallion 05/07/07
  84.   #65, Paul Harris - And the Truth is.... 16:56  |  Burkhardt 05/07/07
  85.   To all the "One State" crowd 16:57  |  Drago 05/07/07
  86.   8# Natalie Dorkson 17:04  |  zebulonguy 05/07/07
  87.   Yaakov Sullivan, you are very crafty !!! 17:04  |  dutch 05/07/07
  88.   70# LOL 17:12  |  zebulonguy 05/07/07
  89.   58# you wont suggest anything else. 17:17  |  zebulonguy 05/07/07
  90.   "Two state" solution would be Final Solution for Israel 17:23  |  Chaim 05/07/07
  91.   European on one Palestinian state 17:24  |  zebulonguy 05/07/07
  92.   federation of Pakistan and UK 17:25  |  zionist4pakistan 05/07/07
  93.   One state is only acceptable 17:27  |  zebulonguy 05/07/07
  94.   #18, David, you`re quite a dreamer 17:28  |  newageblues 05/07/07
  95.   THE DIVINE MISSION OF PAL NATION IS TO DESTABLIZE THE REGION FOR 17:31  |  ISRAEL TO TAKE OVER) 05/07/07
  96.   zebulonguy - You also are dreaming! 17:33  |  Me 05/07/07
  97.   roberta # 70 The One-State Solution Is Dead 17:36  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  98.   Thank you Moshe Arens 17:44  |  Danite 05/07/07
  99.   #57 Firas`s Abu on rights 17:44  |  peter 05/07/07
  100.   # 55 Burkhardt, how dare you! 17:55  |  Axel 05/07/07
  101.   Burkhardt 17:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv. 05/07/07
  102.   The new paradigm is obvious part 1 18:00  |  peter 05/07/07
  103.   zebulonguy on one state #82 18:04  |  Yaakov Sullivan 05/07/07
  104.   #14, Jews have no claim to Jordan 18:07  |  newageblues 05/07/07
  105.   # 88 peter 18:10  |  Axel 05/07/07
  106.   paradigm part 2 18:10  |  peter 05/07/07
  107.   #54 speaking of fanatics 18:12  |  Polybios 05/07/07
  108.   #68 Well hello Mr. Feigenbaum 18:12  |  tad 05/07/07
  109.   Apartheid 18:17  |  Jasmine Murphy 05/07/07
  110.   Peter; the wise man of Montreal 18:22  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  111.   Chaim # 75 Not Enough Space? 18:24  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  112.   Historical correction is solution 18:29  |  Chick 05/07/07
  113.   #90 blues doesnt do his homework and gets 0/10 18:31  |  victor hardman 05/07/07
  114.   Burkhardt 18:37  |  Margie in Tel Aviv. 05/07/07
  115.   Peter from Montreal 18:40  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  116.   # 90 peter 18:45  |  Axel 05/07/07
  117.   Israel should join the Arab league... this will solve the problem 18:46  |  CompleteNut 05/07/07
  118.   #91 Axel 18:46  |  peter 05/07/07
  119.   Abu Firas - some good questions 18:51  |  Polybios 05/07/07
  120.   Apartheid and names 18:51  |  ChanahS 05/07/07
  121.   # 102 chick 18:56  |  Axel 05/07/07
  122.   Re: crude propaganda 18:58  |  Softwalker 05/07/07
  123.   Abu Firas al Qudsi 18:59  |  Angelique 05/07/07
  124.   Hamastan is a good idea. 19:00  |  tadchase 05/07/07
  125.   #101 Firas`s Abu on scruples 19:01  |  peter 05/07/07
  126.   89The problem with that apocryphal story is that the jews left 19:03  |  lakshmi 05/07/07
  127.   The only good paradigm is the one developed by Kahane 19:08  |  Zebedee 05/07/07
  128.   # 108 peter 19:20  |  Axel 05/07/07
  129.   And the other paradigm is... 19:26  |  Ben Alofs 05/07/07
  130.   softwalker 19:27  |  Axel 05/07/07
  131.   Chick; its called historical distortion 19:36  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 05/07/07
  132.   #106 Axel 19:39  |  peter 05/07/07
  133.   #45 Margie in TA 19:39  |  Boycott 05/07/07
  134.   Hiding bihind the political correctness... 19:39  |  misha 05/07/07
  135.   peter # 90 & 94 Absolutely Not! 19:40  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  136.   #80 Chaim 19:44  |  Boycott 05/07/07
  137.   # 194 Margie 19:48  |  Axel 05/07/07
  138.   2 states, Israel and Jordan Palestine, its the ONLY solution 19:49  |  David 05/07/07
  139.   Natalie 19:51  |  Angelique 05/07/07
  140.   #84, NewAgeBlues, Jordan Palestine IS the answer 19:56  |  David 05/07/07
  141.   to #111 I did answer you yesterday but it wasn`t printed 20:01  |  Chick 05/07/07
  142.   #18 David, better adjust to emerging reality: one state for all 20:06  |  Ben Alofs 05/07/07
  143.   Jeff #120 look ahead 20:08  |  peter 05/07/07
  144.   Important Reply to Firas 20:09  |  Jew 05/07/07
  145.   #103, Victor, I don`t understand your point 20:10  |  newageblues 05/07/07
  146.   Jeff Northridge 20:11  |  Monkey 05/07/07
  147.   Jeff Northridge 20:12  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  148.   # 117 20:14  |  Axel 05/07/07
  149.   #115, Zebedee, you mean live by sword die by sword paradigm? 20:14  |  newageblues 05/07/07
  150.   Hello Boycott 20:19  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  151.   Axel 20:20  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  152.   One state, and one state only 20:32  |  Marlene 05/07/07
  153.   #7: Cipora Julianna Kohn, please answer your own questions. 20:33  |  Thomas Jackson 05/07/07
  154.   Ben Alofs 20:36  |  Jasmine Murphy 05/07/07
  155.   #133 Axel 20:42  |  peter 05/07/07
  156.   As usual, perfectly ennunciated and to the point... 20:47  |  bat yam 05/07/07
  157.   # 131 Jew 20:53  |  Axel 05/07/07
  158.   133 where did you get that gem from? 20:59  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 05/07/07
  159.   #137 Margie in Tel Aviv 21:02  |  Boycott 05/07/07
  160.   100Abu Firas,your entertaining story!My question to Peter:isn`t 21:22  |  lakshmi 05/07/07
  161.   tadchase # 114 Some Good & Some Bad (part 2) 21:24  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  162.   #88: Thank you, Danite 21:26  |  Thomas Jackson 05/07/07
  163.   An argument for the status quo 21:34  |  Don 05/07/07
  164.   Ben Alofs #132 21:36  |  Polybios 05/07/07
  165.   Thank you Boycott 21:54  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  166.   Thank you Boycott 21:54  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 05/07/07
  167.   Cipora JK #7 22:05  |  GABE1 05/07/07
  168.   Thank You Arens (2ndtry) 22:10  |  Danite 05/07/07
  169.   Tzfonit #37 22:10  |  GABE1 05/07/07
  170.   Ben Alofs and the one state 22:12  |  Danite 05/07/07
  171.   A shameless liar and a dangerous man 22:13  |  Michael N 05/07/07
  172.   Danite #88 22:14  |  GABE! 05/07/07
  173.   #151 Margie in Tel Aviv 22:16  |  Boycott 05/07/07
  174.   #144 get a grip on reality blues!!! 22:22  |  victor hardman 05/07/07
  175.   Thomas Jackson 22:24  |  Danite 05/07/07
  176.   # 1 vittorio, what a pretentious comment to make 22:25  |  eric 05/07/07
  177.   Thomas Jackson#2 22:27  |  danite 05/07/07
  178.   Margie in Tel Aviv 22:29  |  GABE! 05/07/07
  179.   peter # 133 It Still Doesn`t Sound Practical 22:30  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  180.   Margie in tel aviv 22:35  |  Danite 05/07/07
  181.   newageblues 22:40  |  Danite 05/07/07
  182.   Jeff Northbridge #134 22:40  |  GABE 1 05/07/07
  183.   Jeff Northridge - 22:52  |  tadchase 05/07/07
  184.   Danite #175 23:03  |  GABE1 05/07/07
  185.   Gabe1 23:04  |  Danite 05/07/07
  186.   Jew 23:21  |  Native American 05/07/07
  187.   Danite #185 23:23  |  GABE1 05/07/07
  188.   # 174 oh victor, victor 23:24  |  Axel 05/07/07
  189.   144 A jew,see my reply to Peter in post 23:26  |  lakshmi 05/07/07
  190.   Changing the Paradigm 23:27  |  Lillian Tobin 05/07/07
  191.   Danite #185 23:29  |  GABE1 05/07/07
  192.   Margie in Tel Aviv # 146 It`s Sergeant, Not Colonel 23:33  |  Jeff Northridge 05/07/07
  193.   # 173 boycott 23:37  |  Axel 05/07/07
  194.   Israeli intentions have always been capricious and self-serving.. 23:40  |  Don Camillo 05/07/07
  195.   # 190 Lillian 23:42  |  Axel 05/07/07
  196.   When realities meet illusions. 23:43  |  TonyL 05/07/07
  197.   #137: David`s adventures in Judea and Samaria 23:45  |  Thomas Jackson 05/07/07
  198.   #179 Jeff It`s pragmatic 00:02  |  peter 06/07/07
  199.   #190 Lillian Tobin 00:14  |  MA 06/07/07
  200.   Monkey # 146 It Depends On Where the Border Is 00:18  |  Jeff Northridge 06/07/07
  201.   axel and boycott tripping over each other 00:18  |  peter 06/07/07
  202.   #153, Thomas Jackson 00:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/07/07
  203.   #174 Victor, Who gave Brits the right to decide Palestine`s fate? 00:21  |  newageblues 06/07/07
  204.   #182, Gabe, you wanna tear up peace treaty with Egypt? 00:32  |  newageblues 06/07/07
  205.   103# Yaakov Sullivan 00:34  |  zebulonguy 06/07/07
  206.   #198 Peter 00:36  |  Boycott 06/07/07
  207.   Israel 00:49  |  Joel Weltman 06/07/07
  208.   #175, 177: Danite, thanks, and three further questions please 00:56  |  Thomas Jackson 06/07/07
  209.   peter of Montreal 01:01  |  GABE1 06/07/07
  210.   # 204 01:09  |  Axel 06/07/07
  211.   Roll Forwards, NOT Backwards 01:10  |  Double Click 06/07/07
  212.   #142: Ben Alofs, on the one-state solution 01:10  |  Thomas Jackson 06/07/07
  213.   205 response 01:15  |  Inigo Montoya 06/07/07
  214.   203 on self determination 01:17  |  Inigo Montoya 06/07/07
  215.   Hello Thomas Jackson 01:18  |  Danite 06/07/07
  216.   # 209 gabe 01:18  |  Axel 06/07/07
  217.   The River Jordan 01:18  |  yerushalmi 06/07/07
  218.   To Jasmine # 109 01:22  |  christa 06/07/07
  219.   #202 Cipora Julianna Kohn, on the perpetuity of low-level warfare 01:36  |  Thomas Jackson 06/07/07
  220.   Another paradigm 01:43  |  Jim 06/07/07
  221.   #108 COMPARED to THEM? WITHOUT A DOUBT 01:45  |  Jon Feigenbaum 06/07/07
  222.   Another paradigm part 2 01:49  |  Jim 06/07/07
  223.   Another pardigm part 3 01:55  |  Jim 06/07/07
  224.   Axel #216 02:03  |  GABE 1 06/07/07
  225.   #219, Thomas Jackson, me "elusive?" 02:12  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/07/07
  226.   # 39 Bill 02:31  |  Jim 06/07/07
  227.   #111 Jeff. The best form of aid to "Palestinians" would be... 02:43  |  Chaim 06/07/07
  228.   Marlene`s One State 02:51  |  elmas 06/07/07
  229.   # 44 Abu Firas Al Qudsi 02:53  |  Jim 06/07/07
  230.   # 46 Abu Firas Al Qudsi 03:04  |  Jim 06/07/07
  231.   # 99 Peter 03:16  |  Jim 06/07/07
  232.   #225: Cipora Julianna Kohn, on Syria and her "favourites" list 03:20  |  Thomas Jackson 06/07/07
  233.   Newageidiot #204 TRY2 03:30  |  GABE 1 06/07/07
  234.   #135 JEFF FROM NORTHRIDGE- I agree 03:47  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 06/07/07
  235.   Cipora JK #225 03:49  |  TonyL 06/07/07
  236.   # 8 is perfectly titled 04:05  |  Tom 06/07/07
  237.   michael cohen 04:20  |  Mark 06/07/07
  238.   No state for Pals, never! 04:21  |  Avi 06/07/07
  239.   #80 MURRAY 04:25  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 06/07/07
  240.   Boycott 04:26  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 06/07/07
  241.   Jon Feigenbaum @68 04:30  |  John Doring 06/07/07
  242.   the paradigm 04:31  |  Shmuelshachor 06/07/07
  243.   Gabe1 04:33  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 06/07/07
  244.   Oy, you`re such a clown, Gabe 04:40  |  newageblues 06/07/07
  245.   Christa 04:42  |  Jasmine Murphy 06/07/07
  246.   #21 TOM AND BEN WITH DELUSIONS 04:50  |  paul harris 06/07/07
  247.   #203 NEW IS IGNORANT OF THE REAL WORLD 04:58  |  paul harris 06/07/07
  248.   Haaretz get some new software 05:02  |  Bored with waiting 06/07/07
  249.   Dear Moshe Arens! 05:02  |  Nobel 06/07/07
  250.   #194 DON CAMILLO AND THE MOONBEAM FAIRIES 05:03  |  paul harris 06/07/07
  251.   Thomas Jackson 05:04  |  Angelique 06/07/07
  252.   232 question 05:17  |  Inigo Montoya 06/07/07
  253.   4th largest military and Syria 05:23  |  Inigo Montoya 06/07/07
  254.   #174 victor has some strange ideas.... 05:24  |  Johnboy 06/07/07
  255.   Palestinians and statehood 05:36  |  Isaac A Olayinka 06/07/07
  256.   Jim # 229 How Long Will It Take? 05:38  |  Jeff Northridge 06/07/07
  257.   G-d: It`s his paradigm 05:55  |  David Erlichman 06/07/07
  258.   very astute observations conclusions. time for perceptions to cat 06:08  |  ralph 06/07/07
  259.   #247, Harris, why don`t you stop being so rude 06:28  |  newageblues 06/07/07
  260.   Nations are Responsible for Their Actions 06:30  |  Efox 06/07/07
  261.   Jim that`s what you want who else does? 06:31  |  Jasmine Murphy 06/07/07
  262.   what about expulsion 06:43  |  freeman 06/07/07
  263.   Maggie from TA 06:49  |  ME 06/07/07
  264.   #212 Thomas Jackson; regarding the one state 06:56  |  Ben Alofs 06/07/07
  265.   Thomas Jackson 07:14  |  Danite 06/07/07
  266.   Thomas Jackson 07:17  |  Danite 06/07/07
  267.   Return to one-state.solution 07:26  |  zeev geneva 06/07/07
  268.   #255 Issac shows that wonderful zionist ability.... 07:40  |  Johnboy 06/07/07
  269.   not the chosen ones 07:47  |  Marvel 06/07/07
  270.   #232, Thomas J, "they would never dare" 08:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/07/07
  271.   206 Boycott 08:43  |  peter 06/07/07
  272.   AXEL if you leave out what does not suit your argument 09:24  |  PETER SM 06/07/07
  273.   Reply to ME: take two: Haaretz, the service is a bit slow today.. 09:25  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 06/07/07
  274.   BOYCOTT you man of principle when are you vacating Indian land? 09:27  |  Peter S.M. 06/07/07
  275.   Margie in Tel Aviv 09:41  |  Burkhardt 06/07/07
  276.   #252, 253 Inigo Montoya 09:45  |  Thomas Jackson 06/07/07
  277.   #272, PETER SM 10:08  |  Burkhardt 06/07/07
  278.   changing the paradigm 10:23  |  walter behrend 06/07/07
  279.   Burkhardt 10:24  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 06/07/07
  280.   # 272 peter sm 10:33  |  Axel 06/07/07
  281.   #279, Margie in Tel Aviv 10:44  |  Burkhardt 06/07/07
  282.   # 270 CJK 10:56  |  Axel 06/07/07
  283.   1) Israel Sleeping Walking to Destruction. 11:12  |  Akram Zekaria 06/07/07
  284.   3) Israel sleep walking to destruction. 15:10  |  Akram Zekaria 06/07/07
  285.   Fresh thinking is clearly a misnomer 15:25  |  Daniel 06/07/07
  286.   Sorry, Mr. Feigenbaum 18:13  |  Murray 06/07/07
  287.   response to #285 18:16  |  Reuven 06/07/07
  288.   This is a rough repeat to-2)Israel Sleep Walking 19:12  |  Akram Zekaria 06/07/07
  289.   Reply #94 - Herzl was a dreamer too ... 16:05  |  david 07/07/07
  290.   Reply to #142 16:23  |  david singer 07/07/07
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