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Hamas as the new Israel
By Bradley Burston

Imagine, if you will, a lightning Middle East war, over in a matter of days. An armed force that is thought to be outnumbered and outgunned rolls with ease over a long-entrenched enemy.

Stunned, humiliated, utterly defeated, the former rulers melt away. The victors, left to administer the newly conquered territory, feel elation at first. Soon, however, it dawns on them that the world sees them very differently. No longer do their friends abroad uniformly view them as an underdog, brave, uncorrupted. No longer do their admirers see them as supremely competent, pure in their dedication, clear in their goals, innovative and effective in their actions.

In fact, no sooner do they take control, are they denounced as brutal occupiers. Human rights organizations focus on their excesses in trying to establish order, branding their military policies war crimes. The international community - even many nations they once considered to be sympathetic allies - progressively distances itself from them. The brief war and its repercussions split their own people into two irreconcilable political camps.

Is this the Israel that emerged in June 1967, or is it the Hamas which conquered Gaza exactly four decades later? The answer, of course, is Yes.

It is the worst nightmare of any radical Islamist, and it has shown signs of coming true: Hamas is taking on some of the history, and even some of the traits, of Israel.

Perhaps, before it's too late, Hamas can learn something from Israel's errors. But first, back to our story:

The party of conquest - once a well-oiled, Spartan machine, making up in dedication what it lacked in trappings, addressing the world with a clear voice and an unswerving vision, attending to the needs of its people in a comprehensive, if makeshift, welfare state - is now a splintered unit pulling in a number of directions at once, with perhaps the signal discernable common goal at this point being the drive to maintain its rule. Corruption, once a hated common enemy, has already wormed its way in. So has callousness to the plight of ordinary people.

As the new reality begins to hit home within the ruling party, long-established principles, narratives, credos are re-examined. There is new dissension. Hard-liners at home and in the Diaspora demand that the Holy Land never be shared with the other side, and that the other side never be formally recognized. Pragmatists at home and in the Diaspora begin to move toward recognition of and talks with the enemy, and eventual partition into two states, one Israeli, one Palestinian.

Hamas, like Israel after the Six-Day War, is at a terrible crossroads. The temptation, as it was for Israel, is to resist taking any of the difficult paths. There is apparent safety in marching in place, hoping for the best, or at least, hoping for nothing worse, hanging on to a power whose ultimate goal is no longer clear.

Like Israel after the 1967 war, Hamas must come to grips with the price of what passes in the Middle East for victory. Hamas has been left the lord of one of the world's most challenging manors, an economic ruin, a social welfare nightmare, looked down upon even as it is pitied by the brother Palestinians of the West Bank, which has become, effectively, a different state-without-a-state.

Moreover, Hamas is beginning to display some of the same lack of finesse in decision-making, long-term strategy, and even public relations, that has become a hallmark of post-1967 Israel.

So, entirely unbidden, herewith a few suggestions for Hamas, based on what has gone wrong, and right, in the 40 years since conquest took over our lives in Israel.

1. You are no longer an underground movement. Stop acting like one.

Begin speaking and acting with one voice. Begin speaking and acting as you would if you were a full member of the community of nations. Act to heal the rift within your people by recognizing the consensus which favors a permanent solution through compromise, rather than catering to unbending, scripture-distorting militants and their delusions of full victory, the fulfillment of all pipe dreams, the realization of an impossible ideal.

Resist the temptation to put too much stock in the opinions of your military men. In the international legal no man's land of conquered territory, resist the temptation to believe that a state undeclared can remain indefinitely ungoverned. Resist the temptation to believe that human beings can indefinitely accept a permanent state of war and the deprivation, grief, and despondency that are part and parcel of it.

2. Stop reveling in your pariah status

Listen to your critics. They may have a point. Just because the whole world seems to be against you doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing anything right.

Fool your enemy ? approach him. You have offered a cease-fire of 50 years' duration. A positive step. Now try this: Make the same offer, without immediately following it with a renewed commitment to the destruction of Israel.

3. The world owes you. So what?

Of course, the world owes you for your suffering, for your deprivation, for your loss of homeland and livelihood and property.

Here's how it works in practice, though: The world owes a lot of people. Maybe that's why the world does not pay its moral debts.

It's up to you now. Fatah is too corrupt, too decayed, too broken to take the actions needed to create a real Palestine. An independent Palestine will come not through a cataclysmic military defeat of Israel, but through a bitter and intelligent diplomatic accommodation that gives each side the most it can expect under impossible circumstances.

4. The other side is a fact. Relate to it as permanent.

Golda Meir waved away the idea of a Palestinian people, Meir Kahane and Rehavam Ze'evi nursed dreams of expelling the Palestinian people. You're still here.

And so are we. Both sides have their separate readings of thousands of years of history, but the moral is the same. Both sides will do absolutely anything to remain here.

Perhaps one day, we might even go so far as to make peace.


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  1.   very corrupt analogy 10:36  |  Khalid 29/06/07
  2.   there is one vital difference....which bradley misses 10:36  |  ravi 29/06/07
  3.   In the name of reason 10:40  |  Cord H. Kaldrack 29/06/07
  4.   Saw Off One Leg Then Tell Hamas To Jump 10:44  |  Rowan Berkeley 29/06/07
  5.   #2, ravi 10:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/06/07
  6.   High time for Palestinians to stop living off P.R. 11:03  |  ScotGuy 29/06/07
  7.   SHE IS NOT A PARIAH, NO SIR 11:16  |  indrajaya 29/06/07
  8.   The article show one thing only: 11:25  |  martyrmaker 29/06/07
  9.   Nice sentiment, but practical? 11:31  |  Natallie Durson 29/06/07
  10.   #2and that ravi is why there can never be peace 11:38  |  victor hardman 29/06/07
  11.   39 NATALLIE AGAIN MISSES THE REAL POINT 11:42  |  paul harris 29/06/07
  12.   Indrajaya 7 12:08  |  Daniel W 29/06/07
  13.   Cipora 12:21  |  S 29/06/07
  14.   Burston omits the real problem 12:58  |  Jonathan S 29/06/07
  15.   Indrajaya ? from Jakarta (2) 13:01  |  Gil 29/06/07
  16.   is anyone listening?? 13:12  |  a wandering Jew 29/06/07
  17.   Indrajaya ? from Jakarta (1) 13:15  |  Gil 29/06/07
  18.   "Pitied", Bradley? 13:24  |  Clickfool 29/06/07
  19.   A curious comparison 13:32  |  Mark Lincoln 29/06/07
  20.   Confidential to BB... From the Gaza Employment Agency 13:35  |  Klaudia 29/06/07
  21.   The parallels are not accurate,israel both at its establishment 13:35  |  lakshmi 29/06/07
  22.   #7 Indra 13:54  |  Benny 29/06/07
  23.   We are all children of Darwin 13:59  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  24.   You are really twisted...what makes you think Hamas cares about 14:05  |  Reuven 29/06/07
  25.   Khalid`s obfuscations 14:05  |  Samil 29/06/07
  26.   Khalid (second attempt) 14:15  |  Nik Miller 29/06/07
  27.   Burston as the new Hamas! 14:58  |  Barry 29/06/07
  28.   A good article! 15:07  |  Bob 29/06/07
  29.   # 24 Reuven 15:42  |  Bob 29/06/07
  30.   Bizarre analogy - Here is the real road to peace! 15:55  |  Bo 29/06/07
  31.   # 14 Jonathan S 16:01  |  Bob 29/06/07
  32.   Peace 16:02  |  Dani 29/06/07
  33.   Why don`t compare Hamas to nazi Germany? 16:29  |  Gene 29/06/07
  34.   Haniyeh`s Curse - PEACE 16:31  |  Tony Anthony 29/06/07
  35.   Unbelievably simplistic 16:38  |  Richard 29/06/07
  36.   Bad taste 16:40  |  Shalom Freedman 29/06/07
  37.   HAMAS is not much better than the KKK 16:44  |  GF Moral 29/06/07
  38.   LESSONS FOR ISRAEL 17:06  |  Igor D. 29/06/07
  39.   Positive 17:11  |  Choni Davidowitz 29/06/07
  40.   peace will only happen when 17:17  |  Igor D. 29/06/07
  41.   Wrong 17:40  |  Danite 29/06/07
  42.   # 28 Bob, and His Spiritual View (Spirtitual ?) 17:50  |  Tony Anthony 29/06/07
  43.   Most of "Haaretz" journos dream about becoming advisors to mortal 17:53  |  Absolute Sweden 29/06/07
  44.   Mr Burstyn Rehavam Za`evi & Rabbi Kahana 18:05  |  Mary S Ashkelon 29/06/07
  45.   lasting peace is the only goal worth trying,one based on fairness 18:21  |  arab 29/06/07
  46.   Iakshmi # 21 I Agree That The Analogy Is Lame 18:47  |  Jeff Northridge 29/06/07
  47.   #45 Arab - Fairness? 18:49  |  Bo 29/06/07
  48.   ironic, Arab #45 19:06  |  Polybios 29/06/07
  49.   # 28 Bob, The spirits of alcohol is not the answer. 19:12  |  SoberUp 29/06/07
  50.   Articles best sentiment;we should all think long and hard on this 19:18  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  51.   Haaretz got its Erwin Rommel 19:22  |  christoph 29/06/07
  52.   # 42 Tony Anthony 19:26  |  Bob 29/06/07
  53.   I agree with Bo & Polybios.The land God left to the Arabs 19:40  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  54.   # 45 Arab, Don`t hold your breath for that "better offer" or 19:44  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  55.   #23: 1st question for Tosefta, re "pressure" on Hamas (1) 19:46  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  56.   Brad is Acting Weird Again 19:46  |  Tod Zuckerman 29/06/07
  57.   Amazing, Bradley! 19:51  |  Denton 29/06/07
  58.   #23: 1st question for Tosefta, re "pressure" on Hamas (2) 19:51  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  59.   "SAME OLD STORY, SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE" - S. TYLER 19:55  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  60.   #23: 1st question for Tosefta, re "pressure" on Hamas (3) 19:56  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  61.   The art of the impossible 19:57  |  Daniel 29/06/07
  62.   # 56 Tod Zuckerman. Brad is Acting Weird Again. RIGHT YOU ARE!! 19:57  |  KATH` 29/06/07
  63.   Klaudia, Klaudia, Klaudia 20:04  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  64.   IF Israel were similar to Hamas; or: How to get Shalit released 20:04  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  65.   Gene - Scary and Disturbing 20:06  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  66.   Rehavam Za`evi & Rabbi Kahana: To Ms. Ashkelon 20:11  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  67.   Bo? 20:15  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  68.   You sound very humanistic (Thomas Jackson #60) 20:16  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  69.   Virginia 20:18  |  StephenConnor 29/06/07
  70.   #23: 2nd question for Tosefta, Who wants moderation? (1) 20:25  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  71.   Shabbat Shalom, Priase God for peace within and 20:28  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  72.   #23: 1st question for Tosefta, re "pressure" on Hamas (2) 20:31  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  73.   # 47 Bo 20:33  |  Bob 29/06/07
  74.   # 67 Stephen, Children believe all things, I`ve since grown up... 20:43  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  75.   IF Israel were similar to Hamas; or: How to get Shalit released 20:45  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  76.   Thomas Jackson,agree with your 3 posts to T,although he may have 20:45  |  lakshmi 29/06/07
  77.   Hamas is Israel without the morality 20:46  |  Settler Babe 29/06/07
  78.   #65 StephenConnor? 21:12  |  Bo 29/06/07
  79.   #66: Tosefta, regarding humanism vs. "pressure" 21:44  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  80.   Bob, I think the Jordains would handle that themselves and should 21:49  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  81.   Tosefta, my #72 has wrong title. Check it. 21:58  |  Thomas Jackson 29/06/07
  82.   BRAVO BRAD 22:00  |  JOEL WELTMAN 29/06/07
  83.   Honest, clear and concise. Advantageous to both sides. 22:02  |  Well said BO!!! 29/06/07
  84.   Bizarre analogy 22:05  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  85.   Thomas Jackson # 55 Hamas Redefined 22:10  |  Jeff Northridge 29/06/07
  86.   Forgive me Jordanians, that was a typeo. The King of Jordan is 22:12  |  Virginia 29/06/07
  87.   #5, Ms Kohn 22:15  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  88.   #6, Scot Guy 22:21  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  89.   #73 Bob? 22:21  |  Bo 29/06/07
  90.   #10, Victor 22:26  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  91.   Islamic Jewish or zionist fundamentalists 22:31  |  John 29/06/07
  92.   THE HEALING GAME 22:33  |  JOEL WELTMAN 29/06/07
  93.   Hamas the new Israel? 22:42  |  Gina 29/06/07
  94.   #31, Bob 22:42  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  95.   #32, Dani 22:47  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  96.   Thomas Jackson # 72 Twisted Questions (part 1) 22:56  |  Jeff Northridge 29/06/07
  97.   #39, Choni 23:10  |  Hannah 29/06/07
  98.   Reuniting Abbas and Hamas (Thomas Jackson #72) 23:19  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  99.   #76..Lakshmi 23:20  |  Nemesis 29/06/07
  100.   Pressure (THomas Jackson #79) 23:30  |  Tosefta 29/06/07
  101.   Thomas Jackson # 72 Twisted Questions (part 2) 23:37  |  Jeff Northridge 29/06/07
  102.   Tosefta #23 Perspective on Darwin 23:56  |  Tim R 29/06/07
  103.   79Thomas Jackson,about humanism and Tosefta,Protagoras,said:"Man 00:00  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  104.   Thomas Jackson # 72 Twisted Questions (part 3) 00:14  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  105.   Apples and oranges 00:16  |  Michael N 30/06/07
  106.   Thomas Jackson #55 Tell The Whole Story.. 00:17  |  Tim R 30/06/07
  107.   Whatever happened to Ron Arad? 00:34  |  Don Camillo 30/06/07
  108.   # 20 Klaudia. As Ever Right on!.. 00:36  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  109.   HAMAS: A UNIVERSAL IDEOLOGY 1 00:40  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  110.   #76..Laksmi 00:40  |  Nemesis 30/06/07
  111.   News Flash! (This Is So Sad) 00:43  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  112.   Fatah-Hamas : Think about a federal Palestine 00:43  |  christoph 30/06/07
  113.   HAMAS: A UNIVERSAL IDEOLOGY 2 01:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  114.   Tosefta #68 The Unity Government Moderated Hamas? 01:18  |  Tim R 30/06/07
  115.   Reuniting Abbas and Hamas (Thomas Jackson #72) 01:19  |  Tosefta 30/06/07
  116.   # 75 Tosefta. AS EVER THE TALMUD... 01:20  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  117.   Pressure (Thomas Jackson #79) 01:20  |  Tosefta 30/06/07
  118.   Stephen Connor #63 & KLAUDIA 01:27  |  G A B E 1 30/06/07
  119.   # 68 Tosefta. Bravo Indeed. AT LAST !!! 01:39  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  120.   #88 Cipora - Speaks the truth. Those against this ideology must 01:47  |  Virginia 30/06/07
  121.   89Nemesis,why do you find the rational 01:50  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  122.   #94..Jeff Northridge 02:04  |  Nemesis 30/06/07
  123.   #76: lakshmi, regarding statements by Yousef and Haniyeh 02:07  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  124.   Forcing the Pals to choose between 2 unacceptable options 02:20  |  Don Camillo 30/06/07
  125.   Israel has no intention of bolstering Abbas 02:24  |  Don Camillo 30/06/07
  126.   Tosefta #99 The Saudis As Honest Brokers. Well, Get a Look At .. 02:28  |  Tim R 30/06/07
  127.   # 87 lakshmi re:Thomas Jackson and Tosefta.. WELL,WELL.. 02:49  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  128.   # 96 Michael N Apples and oranges. OH MICHAEL YOU NEVER CHANGE. 03:02  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  129.   # 15, GIL 03:07  |  indrajaya 30/06/07
  130.   Indrajaya-# 7-Most people either loath or fear terrorists like 03:20  |  Daniel Leopold 30/06/07
  131.   Hannahs the Pretentious Mega Phone 03:29  |  Danite 30/06/07
  132.   Khalid-# 1-There is no analogy 03:33  |  Daniel Leopold 30/06/07
  133.   Thomas jackson 03:35  |  Danite 30/06/07
  134.   #21..Laksmi 03:36  |  Nemesis 30/06/07
  135.   Hannah #39 and Choni 03:47  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  136.   #118..Lakshmi 03:51  |  Nemesis 30/06/07
  137.   Nemesis # 113 The Information Is Second-Hand 04:02  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  138.   Danite #41 RIGHT, WRONG (clean Version) 04:25  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  139.   127Kath, I found your post hilarious! Thanks for making me laugh 04:30  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  140.   Iakshmi # 121 Perpetual Occupation 04:50  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  141.   #137..Jeff Northridge 05:12  |  Nemesis 30/06/07
  142.   #133: Danite on the topic of ME lunches 05:19  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  143.   141Howdy jeff, we`ve been through this routine before,but let me 05:42  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  144.   Danite the Pronouncer of Doctrine 05:54  |  Silvienne 30/06/07
  145.   @39, igor. agree 100% 05:55  |  vladimir 30/06/07
  146.   #140... Oh, come on, Jeff! 05:57  |  Silvienne 30/06/07
  147.   #115: Tosefta, re "Reuniting Abbas and Hamas" 06:04  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  148.   Always the man & his copies. 06:27  |  Akram Zekaria 30/06/07
  149.   Jeff Northridge # 111..Special Bulletin .... Cancel the Funeral.. 06:36  |  Klaudia 30/06/07
  150.   #109: Cipora Julianna Kohn, on "Universal Ideologies" 06:40  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  151.   Don Camillo # 124 The Options 06:42  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  152.   #147 im fascinated how to plan chaos ? 06:45  |  victor hardman 30/06/07
  153.   #144 STRANGE SILVIENNE WITHOUT US JEWS SINCE 1948 06:48  |  paul harris 30/06/07
  154.   Hi Silvienne, I think when a Jewish person denounces Zionism 06:50  |  Virginia 30/06/07
  155.   #135, Say, here is Gabe 1 gnawing on Hannah 07:20  |  ballistic 30/06/07
  156.   Silvienne # 146 You Be Fair 07:30  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  157.   Gabby, con`t 07:39  |  ballistic 30/06/07
  158.   "... Diaspora demand the Holy land not be shared... 07:43  |  Maureen Ann 30/06/07
  159.   #26 Nick Miller in Tel Aviv. "Scum!" 07:51  |  Maureen Ann 30/06/07
  160.   Gabe #3 08:00  |  ballistic 30/06/07
  161.   # 130, DANIEL LEOPOLD 08:08  |  indrajaya 30/06/07
  162.   #153 Hey Paul Harris; it is pretty early 08:27  |  ballistic 30/06/07
  163.   To KATH` # 108 08:58  |  Klaudia 30/06/07
  164.   #13, S 09:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  165.   Khalid, the worse blindman is the one who doesn`t want to see 09:28  |  Arnon 30/06/07
  166.   Thomas Jackson #123 09:30  |  S 30/06/07
  167.   #103: lakshmi, about humanism, Tosefta, and Erasmus 09:35  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  168.   #150, Thomas Jackson 09:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  169.   Hannah, little me and the liberation movements 09:47  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  170.   Maureen Ann #158 It Takes One To Know One..! 10:14  |  Tim R 30/06/07
  171.   THE ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE 10:30  |  HUSSAIN A 30/06/07
  172.   Thomas Jackson #147 Spin..Spin..Spin and More spin 10:30  |  Tim R 30/06/07
  173.   If Israel is matter, Hamas is anti-matter 10:46  |  Jasmine Murphy 30/06/07
  174.   of course the world owes you 10:55  |  angelique 30/06/07
  175.   Indrajaya-#161-Alergic to miltant Islam 11:04  |  Daniel Leopold 30/06/07
  176.   #171, Hussain A. 11:50  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  177.   #172, Tim R. 11:54  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  178.   #173, Jasmine 11:58  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  179.   A sensationalist gimmick 12:13  |  Tzfonit 30/06/07
  180.   Picture on the web site 12:20  |  H50 30/06/07
  181.   Good article. 12:25  |  cfs 30/06/07
  182.   Bizarre 12:45  |  Shaul 30/06/07
  183.   178Hannah,your reply to 173 & Hussain(171).Regarding 173,I admire 12:57  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  184.   Hannah #177 I agree with you. And How! 13:08  |  S 30/06/07
  185.   #184, S 13:37  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  186.   #183, Lakshmi 13:46  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  187.   167Thomas Jackson,your mention of Erasmus,clarifies somewhat your 13:49  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  188.   #129 Indrajaya ? don`t go beating around the bush 14:16  |  Gil 30/06/07
  189.   #169, Ms Kohn 14:19  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  190.   Maureen Ann 14:26  |  Nik Miller 30/06/07
  191.   Hannah #185 14:51  |  S 30/06/07
  192.   Precision (Lakshmi, re Thomas Jackson) 15:03  |  Tosefta 30/06/07
  193.   Danite #41 WRONG-RIGHT!!!! 15:07  |  G A B E 1 30/06/07
  194.   Humor and its discontents (Kathy #116) 15:18  |  Tosefta 30/06/07
  195.   #191, S 15:28  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  196.   Never say never (Thomas Jackson #147) 15:40  |  Tosefta 30/06/07
  197.   # 191 S. re:Hannah. Unfortunately Logic is not... 15:45  |  Kath` 30/06/07
  198.   #190 Nik Miller. "Compromise"- to live on their knees, eh Nik? 16:12  |  Maureen Ann 30/06/07
  199.   tommy Jacvkson and Tossi-Fetta 16:21  |  FOX 30/06/07
  200.   Tosefta and Humour 16:45  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  201.   Hannah #193 16:45  |  S 30/06/07
  202.   #133 Danite re Thomas Jackson 16:51  |  Ben Alofs 30/06/07
  203.   Insulting 16:55  |  Sidney 30/06/07
  204.   # 194 Tosefta.Humour,discontents.UNDERSTANDING.. 17:05  |  Kath` 30/06/07
  205.   # 197 Kath - Hannah is not a she but a he 17:17  |  Gil 30/06/07
  206.   #199 Fox, reading Thomas J. and Tosefta 17:45  |  Ben Alofs 30/06/07
  207.   192Tosefta, animals have feelings and needs,according to you,but 17:50  |  lakshmi 30/06/07
  208.   WHAT? 17:59  |  alex 30/06/07
  209.   Cipora re "Hannah" 18:04  |  Danite 30/06/07
  210.   Thomas Jackson 18:08  |  Danite 30/06/07
  211.   Silvienne 18:11  |  Danite 30/06/07
  212.   Bradley Burston 18:17  |  Maureen 30/06/07
  213.   Hannah #185 18:21  |  Bruce 30/06/07
  214.   Ben Alofs, fudge #200 18:57  |  FOX 30/06/07
  215.   Ben aluf, disengenuous 19:08  |  FOX 30/06/07
  216.   #204, Danite 19:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  217.   Haaretz, are parts 3&4 of Hamas ideology censored? 19:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  218.   Hannah #195 2nd try 19:13  |  S 30/06/07
  219.   Hani ibn Abu Fatima #189 19:22  |  GABE! 30/06/07
  220.   Cipora #164 19:28  |  S 30/06/07
  221.   #194, Tosefta 19:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  222.   Ben Alofs 19:30  |  Danite 30/06/07
  223.   Bruce @2009 re Hannah 19:31  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  224.   Danite and Cipora 19:37  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  225.   # 75 Tosefta 19:39  |  Gil 30/06/07
  226.   #220, S 19:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/06/07
  227.   Ben Alofs 19:56  |  Gina 30/06/07
  228.   AGAIN I PLEAD TO CHILDREN OF ISRAEL 19:59  |  HUSSAIN A 30/06/07
  229.   Ben Alogs-Some reality 20:02  |  Gabe1 30/06/07
  230.   38# igor D. Here is the Arabic Edition.. 20:06  |  Akram Zekaria 30/06/07
  231.   Ben Alofs # 206 -- Lies 20:07  |  Gina 30/06/07
  232.   Danite 20:11  |  Gina 30/06/07
  233.   # 205 Gil. Thanks Gil.hello. Remember when we had the same... 20:24  |  Kath` 30/06/07
  234.   #210 Danite, more on Middle East lunches 20:26  |  Thomas Jackson 30/06/07
  235.   #205 Hi there Hannah re Gil to Kath 20:40  |  ballistic 30/06/07
  236.   #222 More about walking the streets in the Middle East. 20:47  |  Ben Alofs 30/06/07
  237.   # 226 Cipora J.K Ohhhh! yes Indeed on you know ... 20:51  |  Kath` 30/06/07
  238.   #224, Gina 21:10  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  239.   # 189 HANNAH. re:Ms.Kohn... 21:19  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  240.   # 189 HANNAH..re: Ms.Kohn...... 21:21  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  241.   # 228 HUSSAIN A OF DUBAI.STOP WHINING... 22:00  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  242.   Ben Alofs # 206 The Charter of Allah 22:07  |  Jeff Northridge 30/06/07
  243.   #205 HANNAH IS A SHE AND LIVES IN TORONTO 22:26  |  paul harris 30/06/07
  244.   kath 22:30  |  bev 30/06/07
  245.   1. Khalid: the corrupt analogy 22:54  |  KUTW 30/06/07
  246.   Thomas and his games 23:03  |  Danite 30/06/07
  247.   #236, Kath` 23:09  |  Hannah 30/06/07
  248.   Danite -Deluded Humanist 23:10  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  249.   Danite-more Humanist Delusions 23:18  |  GABE1 30/06/07
  250.   # 238 Jeff Northridge. HAVE YOU HEARD THE LATEST NEWS?? 23:23  |  KATH` 30/06/07
  251.   Kath 23:45  |  Gil 30/06/07
  252.   # 240 bev .DO YOU REMEMBER ... 00:05  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  253.   88 Hannah 00:09  |  ScotGuy 01/07/07
  254.   250. KATH 00:31  |  KUTW 01/07/07
  255.   Hannah #177 About Facts and hyperbole 00:37  |  Tim R 01/07/07
  256.   When the mirage, blows up in your face 00:48  |  FOX 01/07/07
  257.   HUSSAIN A #171 Is Meshal Your Example Of An Enlightened Hamas? 00:49  |  Tim R 01/07/07
  258.   Good news on reuniting Hamas and Abbas (Thomas Jackson) 01:03  |  Tosefta 01/07/07
  259.   Hmm! 01:39  |  JIA 01/07/07
  260.   #253 Say Scot Guy; don`t tell me 01:44  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  261.   Brothers in arms? 01:49  |  TonyL 01/07/07
  262.   # 253 ScotGuy YOU HAVE ALSO MUST HAVE HEARD THE LATEST NEWS.. 02:08  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  263.   # 246 Danite.re:Thomas Jackson. WELL IT SEEMS SIZE 02:17  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  264.   Islam, Judaism, Christanity And The Such 02:26  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 01/07/07
  265.   #240 Say Kath; you say CJK has "advanced 02:31  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  266.   Nice try Bradley 02:40  |  Bill 01/07/07
  267.   Ben Alofs now you are talking like a normal person 02:42  |  Danite 01/07/07
  268.   Islam, Judaism, Christanity And The Such 02:50  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 01/07/07
  269.   Ben Alofs PS 03:02  |  Danite 01/07/07
  270.   wake up clickfool # 18 03:09  |  tal 01/07/07
  271.   #237, Kath* 03:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 01/07/07
  272.   #265, ballistic 03:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 01/07/07
  273.   # 256 FOX Hello. OH YOU ARE A DREAM... 03:21  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  274.   # 256 FOX. MY HERO...JUST SENT ONE,PRESSED THE WRONG KEY AND 03:26  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  275.   Hannah 03:29  |  Gina 01/07/07
  276.   #262 Kath 03:33  |  ScotGuy 01/07/07
  277.   Tosefta #258 03:33  |  TonyL 01/07/07
  278.   #260 ballistic 03:38  |  ScotGuy 01/07/07
  279.   #272 Thanks, but no thanks, CPK. 03:51  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  280.   # 259 JIA Hmm! WELL INFLATTED BALOONS DO TEND TO BLOW INTO OBLIVI 03:57  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  281.   Bader S Abu-Ghosh 04:00  |  Gina 01/07/07
  282.   #246, Danite, only Muslims do things like that? 04:30  |  newageblues 01/07/07
  283.   Burston 04:59  |  Jim 01/07/07
  284.   #38 Say Igor, all, are you in NY? 04:59  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  285.   muareen anne 05:11  |  Rab Burns 01/07/07
  286.   #278 Here in the US, they say we already 05:14  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  287.   #278 05:15  |  Rab Burns 01/07/07
  288.   #173 Say Jasmine; are you in Israel? 05:25  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  289.   #284..ballistic 05:26  |  Nemesis 01/07/07
  290.   #211 Danite; your post says Jews 05:40  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  291.   #284 Say Nemesis 05:56  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  292.   newageblues 06:41  |  Danite 01/07/07
  293.   ballistic 06:48  |  Danite 01/07/07
  294.   Ben Alofs - what are you smoking? 07:12  |  Mark Lincoln 01/07/07
  295.   #285, Rab 07:21  |  Hannah 01/07/07
  296.   Bader S Abu-Ghosh #264 About Religions 07:42  |  Tim R 01/07/07
  297.   mark Lincoln 07:55  |  Danite 01/07/07
  298.   Hannah and her language 08:01  |  Danite 01/07/07
  299.   #295 08:02  |  Ra Burns 01/07/07
  300.   #294, Mark 08:02  |  Hannah 01/07/07
  301.   bad spelling 08:19  |  Rab Burns 01/07/07
  302.   A bigger joke than usual 08:43  |  Efox 01/07/07
  303.   To Gina (# 281) and Tim R (# 296) 10:41  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 01/07/07
  304.   To Gina (# 281) and Tim R (# 296) 10:57  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 01/07/07
  305.   Bader S Abu-Ghosh #303/4 Cause And Effect 11:44  |  Tim R 01/07/07
  306.   The world according to Toseftan 12:52  |  Angelique 01/07/07
  307.   begging cup ballistic? 14:54  |  Jasmine Murphy 01/07/07
  308.   # 139 lakshmi. Who Thinks of Hilariously... 16:05  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  309.   #291..ballistic..re#284 16:16  |  Nemesis 01/07/07
  310.   #293 Say Danite; nuclear war? 17:15  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  311.   #307 I do agree with you Jasmine! 17:25  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  312.   # 268 Bader S Abu-Ghosh. Islam,Judaism,Chritianity And the Such.. 17:30  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  313.   Obvious answers to non-problematic questions (TimR #114, 126) 17:31  |  Tosefta 01/07/07
  314.   #246/292, Danite, you seem to blame all Gaza for Johnson kidnap 17:39  |  newageblues 01/07/07
  315.   # 268 Bader S Abu-Ghosh.Islam,Judaism,Christianity(SECOND TRY) 17:50  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  316.   #309 Say Nemesis; your question begs the question 17:58  |  ballistic 01/07/07
  317.   #294, Mark, please cut out the slander of weed 18:20  |  newageblues 01/07/07
  318.   # 314 newageblues. re:Danite,Hamas etc.AND MY TAKE ON IT.... 18:30  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  319.   Ballistic and tripe 18:33  |  Jasmine Murphy 01/07/07
  320.   newageblues 18:35  |  Jasmine Murphy 01/07/07
  321.   # 319 Jasdmine Murphy.re:HER,ETC..... 18:59  |  KATH` 01/07/07
  322.   # 254 KUTW .FOR YOU TO READ. 19:34  |  Kath` 01/07/07
  323.   I understand Hamas talks out of both sides of mouth 20:14  |  newageblues 01/07/07
  324.   #320, Jasmine 21:33  |  newageblues 01/07/07
  325.   #152: victor hardman, "Stupidly" as in ...what? 21:57  |  Thomas Jackson 01/07/07
  326.   Thomas jackson vs Tosefta - constructivistivism and other -isms 23:03  |  dana 01/07/07
  327.   Where the analogy breaks 23:27  |  A Lebanese 01/07/07
  328.   #326: dana to the rescue, at long last? 00:49  |  Thomas Jackson 02/07/07
  329.   #319 Jasmine; if you truly believe 05:37  |  ballistic 02/07/07
  330.   Tosefta #313 (Part 1) 05:50  |  Tim R 02/07/07
  331.   Tosefta #313 Part 2 05:56  |  Tim R 02/07/07
  332.   newageblues 06:36  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  333.   Ballistic 06:39  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  334.   KATH` 06:41  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  335.   Some slight differences 08:07  |  keith 02/07/07
  336.   Kieth, wrong worng and, wait for it... wrong agian 08:40  |  bbl 02/07/07
  337.   logical as usual bradley 08:44  |  VIPER 02/07/07
  338.   Keith: a dissection 10:04  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  339.   A Lebanese 13:32  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  340.   dana #326 - 3rd try 13:59  |  S 02/07/07
  341.   #332, Jasmine 15:37  |  newageblues 02/07/07
  342.   newageblues 16:51  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  343.   Haaretz, do me a favour 19:25  |  Jasmine Murphy 02/07/07
  344.   #166: S regarding "the words of Palestinians" 20:04  |  Thomas Jackson 02/07/07
  345.   Bradley Burston`s special place in hell 21:19  |  Bill 02/07/07
  346.   Thomas Jackson #344 21:30  |  S 02/07/07
  347.   # 330 & # 331 Tim R. re:Tosefta. Just a Quicky... 22:22  |  Kath` 02/07/07
  348.   Tommy Jackson, really? #344 23:44  |  FOX 02/07/07
  349.   Thomas Jackson #344 Deeds Of Israeli Government For Peace 01:29  |  Tim R 03/07/07
  350.   Kath #347 Thanks Kath 01:31  |  Tim R 03/07/07
  351.   #346: S 01:32  |  Thomas Jackson 03/07/07
  352.   Thomas Jackson #344 Deeds And Hamas`s Reliability (2nd Try) 07:04  |  Tim R 03/07/07
  353.   Kath #347 Thanks (2nd Try) 07:19  |  Tim R 03/07/07
  354.   Thomas Jackson #350 09:12  |  S 03/07/07
  355.   Addendum to Thomas Jackson #351 09:31  |  S 03/07/07
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