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Jailed Tanzim leader Marwan Barghouti. (AP Archives)
Last update - 11:40 18/06/2007
Aides: Abbas to ask Israel to free Barghouti in order to aid Fatah
By Avi Issacharoff and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents

Advisors to Mahmoud Abbas have said the Palestinian Authority chairman intends to ask Israel for a number of steps to strengthen Abbas' Fatah movement in both the West Bank and Gaza, among them a release of a massive number of Palestinian prisoners, first and foremost Tanzim leader Marwan Barghouti.

Abbas also intends to demand that Israel immediately implement the American "benchmarks" proposal for increasing Palestinian freedom of movement in the territories, the advisors said Sunday.

The benchmarks proposal, prepared by U.S. security coordinator General Keith Dayton, demands a massive removal of Israeli checkpoints in the West Bank. According to the advisors, that would immediately improve life for every Palestinian.

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Similarly, they said, a significant prisoner release would vastly increase Abbas' popularity, while Barghouti in particular  being the most popular Fatah politician could do much to bolster chairman's standing. Barghouti is currently serving five life terms in prison for the murder of five Israeli civilians.

In addition, the advisors said, Israel must not interfere with efforts to recruit, train and arm Fatah's security forces. "Israel's operations completely destroyed these forces in the West Bank," said one. "[Israel] must allow freedom of movement to members of the Palestinian security services and not impede their training."

And finally, they said, Israel must resume diplomatic negotiations with Abbas, in order to give the Palestinians a diplomatic horizon, and must hand over all the tax revenues it has collected on the PA's behalf, so that Abbas can pay the authority's employees.

For his part, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared Sunday that Israel would work with the international community to meet the humanitarian needs of Gaza residents and would not intervene militarily in Gaza, but at the same time, "we will not stand idly by and watch the execution of innocent people."

He did not explain what form Israel's refusal to "stand idly by" might take.

Olmert, who was meeting in New York with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, was responding to the UN official's fears of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

Earlier, a source in the prime minister's entourage said that Israel would continue to supply water, electricity and medical supplies to Gaza, and would also allow food and other essential supplies to enter the strip through Israel.

Olmert also promised that Israel would cooperate with the new government that Abbas appointed in the West Bank on Sunday. However, the prime minister added, Abbas must in turn take vigorous action against Hamas forces in the West Bank to ensure that the Islamic organization does not take over there as well.

In addition, he said, Israel will consider releasing the frozen tax revenues, amounting to some $562 million, to Abbas. Though Israel collects this money on the PA's behalf, it has refused to transfer it to the PA government ever since Hamas won last year's parliamentary elections.

Olmert also told Ban that the Hamas takeover of Gaza proved that Israel's skepticism about the PA unity government had been justified.

On the plane en route to New York, a source in Olmert's entourage told journalists that the idea of stationing an international force along the Gaza-Egypt border to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza is no longer on the agenda.

Egypt opposes the idea, and so does Hamas, the source explained, and this makes deployment of a force with a robust mandate the only kind Israel would accept highly unlikely.

Olmert flies to Washington Monday and will meet with U.S. President George W. Bush on Tuesday.

Gaza, meanwhile, was relatively quiet on Sunday, though Hamas operatives continued house-to-house searches for Fatah operatives and weapons.

However, some Hamas members burned down the Palestinian press office, after first confiscating its computers and lists of journalists.

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  1.   Any bets on how Israel will wiggle out of its West Bank promises? 03:07  |  Ben Doverr 18/06/07
  2.   Help W.Bank Palestinians now show them peace with Israel is great 03:09  |  PA police officer 18/06/07
  3.   Here we go again! 03:09  |  Joseph 18/06/07
  4.   give me, give me, give me is all abbas says?? 03:12  |  vik 18/06/07
  5.   If ther US falls short 03:12  |  Hallberg 18/06/07
  6.   NO TRUST:LIBERATE GAZA,W.BANK,ARREST ALL CRIMINALS,TERRORISTS)))) 03:33  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 18/06/07
  7.   Joker.... 03:38  |  Stright 2 the point 18/06/07
  8.   Why ? 03:51  |  Scrolls 18/06/07
  9.   Israel : A Government of The Naive ("Suckers")? 04:00  |  Yoram 18/06/07
  10.   #2 PA Policeman in Ramalla... 04:03  |  Stright 2 the point 18/06/07
  11.   Joseph from FL huh? 04:05  |  Omar 18/06/07
  12.   #2 PA Police Officer 04:11  |  Sam Weinstein 18/06/07
  13.   just a bunch of criminals 04:14  |  cw 18/06/07
  14.   So all of a sudden all those that the roadblocks prevented from 04:16  |  Man deVoshkes 18/06/07
  15.   How come only Israel have benchmarks? did i miss something? 04:19  |  Stright 2 the point 18/06/07
  16.   PA Police Officer # 2 04:22  |  Philippe 18/06/07
  17.   The Keystone Cops 04:24  |  Tony Anthony 18/06/07
  18.   benchmarks 04:32  |  Shmuelshachor 18/06/07
  19.   no he is weak ineffectual we stop proping up this inept fool with 04:37  |  ralph 18/06/07
  20.   A Better Plan 04:42  |  Joe M 18/06/07
  21.   Now Israeli concessions coming down the pike 04:58  |  Chas. 18/06/07
  22.   abbas is now "Good Cop!" 05:05  |  V.R. Sonti 18/06/07
  23.   #11 Omar. last time i check was only 238. 05:07  |  Stright 2 the point 18/06/07
  24.   Israel has no use for Abbas other than as a cats paw 06:00  |  Natallie Durson 18/06/07
  25.   #1 06:05  |  ottomatik 18/06/07
  26.   #3 Joseph makes an astonishing statement 06:07  |  Johnboy 18/06/07
  27.   AHA ! Another Arab Con Job ! 06:07  |  Klaudia 18/06/07
  28.   Israel should go very slow 06:34  |  Ron 18/06/07
  29.   RIDICULOUS!! Abbas must earn his demands 06:36  |  bernard ross 18/06/07
  30.   Israel to enforce US benchmarks???There are none 06:38  |  Sal 18/06/07
  31.   I see opportunity 06:39  |  Eli 18/06/07
  32.   Olmeret meets Bush 06:48  |  Clickfan 18/06/07
  33.   Joseph and Ben Doverr deserve each other 07:03  |  Gretch 18/06/07
  34.   Free The Convicted Murderer Barghouti? 07:07  |  G, Stark 18/06/07
  35.   Israel Should Insist on REAL Progress 07:21  |  Stephen 18/06/07
  36.   Israel should cooperate but with benchmarks and demands of its ow 07:22  |  Brad 18/06/07
  37.   Johnboy 07:28  |  Brad 18/06/07
  38.   Reader`s Comments 07:30  |  Ron 18/06/07
  39.   TO Klaudia 07:32  |  Ron 18/06/07
  40.   Abbas wants prisoners release, just as 07:36  |  Lili Shi 18/06/07
  41.   "Gifts" would only reward Hamas violence! 07:38  |  Joe 18/06/07
  42.   BARGHOUTI IS A HAMAS SUPPORTER! DONT FREE HIM! 07:42  |  Hal 18/06/07
  43.   Any bets on how Israel will wiggle out of its West Bank promises? 07:43  |  Jeff Fogltance 18/06/07
  44.   #20 It was tried before! 07:48  |  Myron Berliner 18/06/07
  45.   Ron # 39 07:57  |  Klaudia 18/06/07
  46.   Islam gone insane 07:58  |  Freedom 18/06/07
  47.   No State of Palestine 08:00  |  John 18/06/07
  48.   Wolf in Grandma`s clothing 08:03  |  Daniel 18/06/07
  49.   Free a Terrorist Who Killed Your Children ? 08:04  |  Tod Zuckerman 18/06/07
  50.   Get rid of Hamas forever! 08:04  |  Dubai 18/06/07
  51.   Abu Mazen must dismantle his Al aqsa Martyrs Brigade 08:08  |  Tess 18/06/07
  52.   free Barghouti- Continue the Intifada. 08:12  |  paulo2005 18/06/07
  53.   Israel will strengthen the same one who wants to destroy it. 08:14  |  Tess 18/06/07
  54.   Johnboy # 26 The Security Measures 08:17  |  Jeff Northridge 18/06/07
  55.   Barghouti 08:28  |  Steve 18/06/07
  56.   Abbas is also small minded, like the smaller minded Olmert 08:31  |  S 18/06/07
  57.   Panic on the right-wing Titanic ???? 08:31  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  58.   # 53 - Tess 08:32  |  Klaudia 18/06/07
  59.   #27, Klaudia, you are right 08:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/06/07
  60.   Abbas, go live in Gaza! 08:40  |  Randale 18/06/07
  61.   Abbas showing his poker face 08:42  |  Jonathan 18/06/07
  62.   Free Gaza 08:58  |  wibism 18/06/07
  63.   Freedom Fighters 09:04  |  wibism 18/06/07
  64.   Is Abbas in a popular contest!!! 09:10  |  Benny Howard 18/06/07
  65.   #57, Dino 09:12  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/06/07
  66.   #27 Klaudia - You may be right 09:18  |  Tess 18/06/07
  67.   If Barghouti were to set free it would mean no justice in Israel 09:27  |  AK 18/06/07
  68.   To Tess/ 53 09:38  |  Lena 18/06/07
  69.   Abbas Demands - Didn`t he Lose the War?? 09:41  |  J 18/06/07
  70.   insane idea form justice minister 09:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/06/07
  71.   @Friedmann: They don`t want them Gazans in the West Bank 09:58  |  Randale 18/06/07
  72.   PA Police Officre # 2 09:58  |  ChanahS 18/06/07
  73.   Hamas terrorists will pretend to be refugees to get to west bank 09:59  |  Pavel 18/06/07
  74.   Barghouti was freed before ... 10:00  |  Randale 18/06/07
  75.   Here we go again! again! 10:04  |  Joseph 18/06/07
  76.   ANY MORE SILLY IDEAS THIS WEEK ?? 10:06  |  paul harris 18/06/07
  77.   Wibism # 62 10:08  |  ChanahS 18/06/07
  78.   Gaza s a ghetto 10:13  |  Mr President 18/06/07
  79.   Ben DOVERR Any bets on how long before the W/B is the 2nd front? 10:17  |  PETER SM 18/06/07
  80.   OLMERT HAS ONLY 3% APPROVAL 10:21  |  TALI 18/06/07
  81.   Abbas to ask Israel to free Barghouti, aid Fatah 10:27  |  Patrick 18/06/07
  82.   To strengthen Fatah in West Bank 10:28  |  Even Steven 18/06/07
  83.   Barghouti the red line 10:35  |  Rufus 18/06/07
  84.   HE FORGET ONE SIMPLE EQUATION 10:43  |  indrajaya 18/06/07
  85.   HE FORGET ONE SIMPLE EQUATION 10:44  |  indrajaya 18/06/07
  86.   # 65 Cipora Julianna Kohn 10:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  87.   impossible demands from Abbas 10:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/06/07
  88.   Israel is now hoisted by its own petard 10:59  |  Don Camillo 18/06/07
  89.   # 27 claudia is NOT right 11:23  |  paulo2005 18/06/07
  90.   to Klaudia n Cipora 11:38  |  Anubhav 18/06/07
  91.   Arrest Abbas now! 11:46  |  Oscar 18/06/07
  92.   PA Police Officer, #2, is correct: Peace in return for Peace! 11:51  |  Ivar 18/06/07
  93.   There`s a price for prisoner release 12:07  |  Yonatan 18/06/07
  94.   Barghouti 12:07  |  guido 18/06/07
  95.   Free Barghouti ASAP ! 12:14  |  Esther 18/06/07
  96.   #90, Anubhav 12:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 18/06/07
  97.   swiss (Dino) 12:29  |  Gil 18/06/07
  98.   Barghouti was not fit to stand trial 12:46  |  A Bethlehemite 18/06/07
  99.   WHY ISNT ABBAS ASKED TO FREE SHALIT AND THE ISRAELI SOLDIERS? 12:49  |  dave 18/06/07
  100.   FATAH IS THE LESSER OF 100 EVILS BUT THEY`RE STILL EVIL 13:03  |  Ben 18/06/07
  101.   #86 swiss 13:08  |  duncan 18/06/07
  102.   99 13:31  |  wibism 18/06/07
  103.   Abbas Cadabras:No Need to Bolster Abbas 13:42  |  Ronnie Wolman 18/06/07
  104.   Olmert needs to make a few gestures,but won`t make them because 13:52  |  lakshmi 18/06/07
  105.   Whats the difference between Hamas and Fatah? 14:09  |  Adam Gershwin 18/06/07
  106.   Tosefta: Re Barghouti Good Posts yesterday 14:21  |  Ronnie Wolman 18/06/07
  107.   # 97 Gil 15:02  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  108.   # 101 duncan 15:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  109.   Abbas talks the talk...let him walk the walk 15:26  |  The Equalizer 18/06/07
  110.   Israel is lost if it releases Barghouti 15:27  |  David 18/06/07
  111.   It`s high time for Abbas to make a gesture "FREE SHALIT" 15:30  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  112.   # 103 Ronnie, this is the ME conflict and not Italia calcio !! 15:32  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  113.   #1 Ben Doverr 15:32  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  114.   #2 PA police officer 15:37  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  115.   Nation Building 101 15:41  |  Even Steven 18/06/07
  116.   #11 Omar 15:43  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  117.   David - Hartford 15:46  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  118.   Israel would ask Abbas to get lost 15:51  |  Sal 18/06/07
  119.   #104 lakshmi - you`re so prophetic 15:51  |  * BEN JABO 18/06/07
  120.   Where was all this love? 16:00  |  JustAsking 18/06/07
  121.   Israel help Fatah by allowing some successful suicide bombs 16:03  |  Jon 18/06/07
  122.   Johnboy #26 16:06  |  Time of Day 18/06/07
  123.   Having overthrown the elected government 16:12  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  124.   Killing Jewkillers and those that would release them 16:23  |  BobUSA 18/06/07
  125.   So Abbas haven`t called on the Israelis to free Marwan 16:24  |  Phillies Wright 18/06/07
  126.   #2 PA officer 16:27  |  itsik 18/06/07
  127.   #24 Natallie D. 16:29  |  itsik 18/06/07
  128.   Hamas is doing what fatah would not do... 16:30  |  John Allen 18/06/07
  129.   #1 I hope so!! 16:31  |  John Allen 18/06/07
  130.   POLITICS can`t override JUSTICE. 16:33  |  Fortuna Benmayor 18/06/07
  131.   @18, shmuelshahor, you are too liberal 16:33  |  vladimir 18/06/07
  132.   Any bets on how Israel will wiggle out of its West Bank promises? 16:55  |  yaron 18/06/07
  133.   Help W.Bank Palestinians now show them peace with Israel is great 16:55  |  yaron 18/06/07
  134.   Save Money, buy Abu Mazen a backbone 17:01  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  135.   The only problem with Dahlan, Ronnie 17:04  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  136.   We`ll buy you a pony too, while we`re at it Lakshmi 17:06  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  137.   We`ll let you share Lakshmi`s pony, Mark L. 17:07  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  138.   To Phillies Wright. Marwan speaks out. 17:18  |  Gunther 18/06/07
  139.   Abbas, Shmabbas... 17:23  |  Fortuna Benmayor 18/06/07
  140.   Abbas the loser .... 17:23  |  Infidel 18/06/07
  141.   Another Hogwash 17:28  |  Ah 18/06/07
  142.   Cipora hello 17:35  |  Danite 18/06/07
  143.   Swiss Dino 17:37  |  Danite 18/06/07
  144.   keep friends close, keep enemies closer 17:38  |  D 18/06/07
  145.   Mark Lincon and his maudlin hysterics 17:41  |  Danite 18/06/07
  146.   BARGHOUTI SUPPORTS HAMAS. DONT FREE HIM! 17:48  |  AV 18/06/07
  147.   Jacob Blues 17:53  |  Danite 18/06/07
  148.   free Bar`Gotti` in order to aid Fatah...baloney! 18:01  |  Dov 18/06/07
  149.   Yet more hogwash 18:14  |  Rufus 18/06/07
  150.   Why on earth should israel free that Murderer!??!!?!? 18:16  |  SHIMON 18/06/07
  151.   # 139 Fortuna Benmayor. Abass Shmabbas... 18:16  |  Kath` 18/06/07
  152.   NEVER free that murderer terrorist! 18:17  |  SHIMON 18/06/07
  153.   #117 Ben Jabo---forget it dude, it won`t happen! 18:19  |  ballistic 18/06/07
  154.   Free Bagroutti but not get back Shalit?! Are you kididng me?!?! 18:19  |  SHIMON 18/06/07
  155.   119Ben Jabo,in the end,probably very soon,since events are moving 18:20  |  lakshmi 18/06/07
  156.   #119 Ben Jabo 18:23  |  ballistic 18/06/07
  157.   #124 Bob of Long Island 18:25  |  ballistic 18/06/07
  158.   Its time arabs show gestures for once! israel has done enough!!!! 18:26  |  SHIMON 18/06/07
  159.   #72 Say Chanah; how about returning the land? 18:30  |  ballistic 18/06/07
  160.   What happened to "dismantling terrorists"? 18:39  |  Tosefta 18/06/07
  161.   Instant Credibility 18:40  |  Baz Mann 18/06/07
  162.   olmert`s weakness 18:44  |  Mark Katzman 18/06/07
  163.   Eeeew, that`s a pretty large hole in that "Moderate garb"- 18:49  |  Virginia 18/06/07
  164.   Better free Barghouti NOW 18:50  |  Tosefta 18/06/07
  165.   Free Marwan Barghouti? 18:51  |  Walter 18/06/07
  166.   Ballistic 154 posts on his real name? LOL 19:01  |  The Equalizer 18/06/07
  167.   No Danite 19:07  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  168.   # 143 Danite 19:18  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  169.   but isn`t he for an end to the occupation? 19:19  |  Samantha Erhardt 18/06/07
  170.   Was it less than a year ago? 19:19  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  171.   STOP EMPOWERING FANATIC EXTREMISTS! 19:20  |  Hal 18/06/07
  172.   annex Judea and Samaria 19:47  |  peter 18/06/07
  173.   Tosefta #164 19:48  |  Geisteswissenschaft 18/06/07
  174.   #90 anubhav 20:08  |  abd 18/06/07
  175.   Sadly, Israel Has Achieved All its Aims 20:23  |  chet 18/06/07
  176.   Swiss (Dino) 20:28  |  Gil 18/06/07
  177.   MR ABBAS... NOTHING WILL BLOSTER CORRUPT FATAH ! 20:42  |  British Academic 18/06/07
  178.   Don`t forget Barghouti is a murderer!! 20:48  |  Alan Sip 18/06/07
  179.   mark Lincoln 20:49  |  Danite 18/06/07
  180.   Swiss hello 20:50  |  Danite 18/06/07
  181.   Geisteswissenschaft #173 20:51  |  Tosefta 18/06/07
  182.   Tosefta Slicha! 20:52  |  Kol Ha Am 18/06/07
  183.   PA policeman 21:10  |  Polybios 18/06/07
  184.   # 176 Gil 21:44  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  185.   # 180 Danite 21:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 18/06/07
  186.   Abbas and Bargouti, partners in blood 21:54  |  Nathan 18/06/07
  187.   Tosefta: Barghouti doesn`t pass your criterion. 21:54  |  Fortuna Benmayor 18/06/07
  188.   I would rather send Abbas to gaza to his brothers 22:14  |  michel 18/06/07
  189.   so the jewish lifes have no value?? 22:15  |  baracuda 18/06/07
  190.   # 1 any bets ! 22:17  |  Maureen M 18/06/07
  191.   Abbas`s JOKE of the century, please let our murderers out of jail 22:35  |  pace306 18/06/07
  192.   No Danite, you are wrong 22:36  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  193.   ONCE AGAIN, ISRAELI`S DON`T WANT PEACE 22:38  |  JOHN 18/06/07
  194.   Fortuna #186 22:45  |  Tosefta 18/06/07
  195.   mark Lincoln avoiding the obvious 22:52  |  Danite 18/06/07
  196.   And I agreed Danny 22:57  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  197.   How much more chaos Danite? 23:00  |  Mark Lincoln 18/06/07
  198.   #193 23:21  |  D 18/06/07
  199.   Klaudia #27 Same con job, different script P1 23:21  |  TonyL 18/06/07
  200.   Klaudia #27 same con job, different script P2 23:25  |  TonyL 18/06/07
  201.   Hamas is taking control they are smarter 23:28  |  Sonia Terry 18/06/07
  202.   Klaudia #27 same con job, different script P3 23:34  |  TonyL 18/06/07
  203.   Hey Danite, 23:40  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  204.   Here`s the rub, if Abu Mazen is strong enough to bring 23:44  |  Jacob Blues 18/06/07
  205.   Spider to the fly 23:54  |  Salty 18/06/07
  206.   tosefta on settlements 00:04  |  duncan 19/06/07
  207.   Sorry to disturb your peace (Kol Ha Am #182) 00:05  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  208.   Bush`s last chance for solving the Israel-Palestine conflict 00:12  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  209.   #195, Mark Lincoln 00:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/06/07
  210.   #117 Ballistic - who cares what you say, not I 00:44  |  * BEN JABO 19/06/07
  211.   lakshmi 00:50  |  * BEN JABO 19/06/07
  212.   Releasing Barghouti versus options "164 01:04  |  Labhras 19/06/07
  213.   KLAUDIA #27 01:05  |  GABE 1 19/06/07
  214.   Peter Of Montreal #172 01:11  |  GABE1 19/06/07
  215.   Jacob Blues: Bob Dahlan 01:13  |  Ronnie Wolman 19/06/07
  216.   To All My Friends here.JUST READ CLAUDIA,AND TESS,ET AL.. 01:37  |  Kath` 19/06/07
  217.   Abbas intent is to kidnapp so to force , extort Israel 01:47  |  Joseph E . 19/06/07
  218.   Jacob Blues Hello 01:53  |  Danite 19/06/07
  219.   Mark Lincoln 01:54  |  Danite 19/06/07
  220.   Isn`t Israel playing the Suger Daddy ? 02:00  |  Akram Zekaria 19/06/07
  221.   Living in a conquered nation - Danite 02:12  |  Mark Lincoln 19/06/07
  222.   Sonia Terry 02:17  |  Mark Lincoln 19/06/07
  223.   No thank you . 02:23  |  Akram Zekaria. 19/06/07
  224.   Klaudia, Tess and Kath-My Favourites 02:36  |  GABE1 19/06/07
  225.   Who wants to live in an open Zoo ? 02:38  |  Akram Zekaria 19/06/07
  226.   # 204 Salty. Spider to the fly..HOW APT AND ... 02:40  |  Kath` 19/06/07
  227.   to Kath 205#. My worry is always the Left. 03:02  |  Akram Zekaria 19/06/07
  228.   Sorry to disturb your peace (Kol Ha Am #182) 03:18  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  229.   Bush`s last chance for solving the Israel-Palestine conflict 03:20  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  230.   NO DEAL unless they agree to take OLMERT 03:48  |  Shultz 19/06/07
  231.   To Mark Lincoln-In I agree Danny. 04:14  |  Akram Zekaria 19/06/07
  232.   If Fatah can`t survive without this killer, then so be it. 04:56  |  Jason 19/06/07
  233.   No problem, circular deal with the US, the grat patron of Abass 05:16  |  Man deVoshkes 19/06/07
  234.   Labhras (Post No. 205) 05:45  |  Johnny Weintraub 19/06/07
  235.   Tosefta Tishma 05:53  |  Danite 19/06/07
  236.   Duncan on the settlements 06:06  |  Silvienne 19/06/07
  237.   To Johnny Weintraub 06:07  |  Silvienne 19/06/07
  238.   To Johnny Weintraub 06:08  |  Silvienne 19/06/07
  239.   Settlements (Duncan #206) 06:17  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  240.   The problem with all those pinning their hopes on Abu Mazen 06:45  |  Jacob Blues 19/06/07
  241.   #234 Such an odd assertion, Johnny Weintraub 06:50  |  Johnboy 19/06/07
  242.   Sorry Lakshmi, you`re going to need to share your pony again 06:51  |  Jacob Blues 19/06/07
  243.   #206 duncan makes some claims 07:34  |  Johnboy 19/06/07
  244.   #239 Tosefta, you might want to reword some things 07:53  |  Johnboy 19/06/07
  245.   #178 Sip, well so was Sharon, so what is 08:49  |  ballistic 19/06/07
  246.   let the little man go 11:48  |  Big Al 19/06/07
  247.   What kind of leadership it is that it can not function without a 11:51  |  Orit 19/06/07
  248.   Duncan #206 - some more 15:05  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  249.   Thanks Johnboy #244 15:07  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  250.   Duncan #206 - some more 16:21  |  Tosefta 19/06/07
  251.   tosefta on settlements (1) 00:30  |  duncan 20/06/07
  252.   tosefta on settlements (2) 00:31  |  duncan 20/06/07
  253.   tosefta on settelements (reagan)(3) 00:34  |  duncan 20/06/07
  254.   tosefta on settlements (4) 00:35  |  duncan 20/06/07
  255.   john boy on settlements 00:40  |  duncan 20/06/07
  256.   john boy on settlements (2) 00:42  |  duncan 20/06/07
  257.   To Johnboy 06:44  |  Silvienne 20/06/07
  258.   #251 duncan, quoting from Camera 10:38  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  259.   #251 Duncan, more on Camera`s rather quaint "facts" 10:56  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  260.   #252 Duncan quotes a legal opinion 11:21  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  261.   #253 Duncan verbals Reagan 11:30  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  262.   #254 Now duncan argument starts getting a bit lame. 12:01  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  263.   #255 Get ready for a lesson in duplicity, Duncan 12:18  |  Johnboy 20/06/07
  264.   johnboy(1) 01:20  |  duncan 22/06/07
  265.   johnboy(2) 01:22  |  duncan 22/06/07
  266.   johnboy(4) 01:26  |  duncan 22/06/07
  267.   johnboy(5) 01:27  |  duncan 22/06/07
  268.   johnboy(8) 01:30  |  duncan 22/06/07
  269.   johnboy(9) 01:30  |  duncan 22/06/07
  270.   #264 Duncan (1) 07:24  |  Johnboy 22/06/07
  271.   #267 Duncan (5) 08:35  |  Johnboy 22/06/07
  272.   #265 Duncan (2) 03:59  |  Johnboy 23/06/07
  273.   #266 Duncan (4) 04:10  |  Johnboy 23/06/07
  274.   #268 Duncan (8) 04:40  |  Johnboy 23/06/07
  275.   #270 johnboy 02:48  |  duncan 24/06/07
  276.   #272 johnboy 04:19  |  duncan 24/06/07
  277.   #273 johnboy 04:23  |  duncan 24/06/07
  278.   #271 johnboy 13:52  |  duncan 24/06/07
  279.   #274 johnboy(2) 14:06  |  duncan 24/06/07
  280.   #275 Duncan, I am saying exactly that 03:11  |  Johnboy 25/06/07
  281.   #276 Duncan is incorrect 03:17  |  Johnboy 25/06/07
  282.   #277 Here`s what the problem is, Duncan 03:31  |  Johnboy 25/06/07
  283.   #278 Duncan, a lie repeated does not become truth 03:40  |  Johnboy 25/06/07
  284.   #280 johnboy 00:36  |  duncan 26/06/07
  285.   #281 johnboy 00:39  |  duncan 26/06/07
  286.   #282 johnboy 00:47  |  duncan 26/06/07
  287.   #285 Duncan hasn`t followed the logic 03:28  |  Johnboy 26/06/07
  288.   284 Duncan still believes Rostow and Schwebel 03:45  |  Johnboy 26/06/07
  289.   #286 Duncan twists Res 242 out of shape 04:17  |  Johnboy 26/06/07
  290.   #287 johnboy 20:45  |  duncan 26/06/07
  291.   #288 johnboy (1) 20:57  |  duncan 26/06/07
  292.   #288 johnboy (2) 20:57  |  duncan 26/06/07
  293.   #282 johnboy 22:47  |  duncan 26/06/07
  294.   #291 Duncan doesn`t understand weasel words 01:28  |  Johnboy 27/06/07
  295.   #290 Duncan and the 4th GC 01:35  |  Johnboy 27/06/07
  296.   #292 Duncan just is not listening 01:39  |  Johnboy 27/06/07
  297.   #293 Caradon said exactly that, Duncan 02:20  |  Johnboy 27/06/07
  298.   #293 Duncan stretches credibility 02:39  |  Johnboy 27/06/07
  299.   #294 johnboy balfour and jewish state 12:38  |  duncan 27/06/07
  300.   #295 johnboy 12:57  |  duncan 27/06/07
  301.   #296 johnboy 13:04  |  duncan 27/06/07
  302.   #299 johnboy 2 balfour 20:34  |  duncan 27/06/07
  303.   #289 johnboy 21:39  |  duncan 27/06/07
  304.   #289 johnboy 23:34  |  duncan 27/06/07
  305.   #298 johnboy 23:44  |  duncan 27/06/07
  306.   #300 The formal definition is the Hague Regulations, duncan 05:21  |  Johnboy 05/07/07
  307.   #300 Duncan, you forget the bookend Article 6 05:32  |  Johnboy 05/07/07
  308.   #302 Sorry, duncan, but a newspaper article doesn`t cut it 05:40  |  Johnboy 05/07/07
  309.   #304 It`s called "negotiation", duncan 05:54  |  Johnboy 05/07/07
  310.   #305 An outrageous statement, duncan 06:20  |  Johnboy 05/07/07
  311.   #308 john boy lloyd george on balfour 13:18  |  duncan 12/07/07
  312.   #309 john boy 13:25  |  duncan 12/07/07
  313.   #310 johnboy 13:33  |  duncan 12/07/07
  314.   #306 john boy p1 01:48  |  duncan 13/07/07
  315.   #306 johnboy p2 01:50  |  duncan 13/07/07
  316.   #312 Lovely use of the "arab aggression" obfuscation 17:32  |  Johnboy 14/07/07
  317.   #312 Int`l law didn`t change after WW2?!?!? 17:39  |  Johnboy 14/07/07
  318.   #313 I see. If I *need* something then I`m *entitled* to it? 17:48  |  Johnboy 14/07/07
  319.   #314 You misread the commentaries, Duncan 18:11  |  Johnboy 14/07/07
  320.   #315 No, I am not saying that at all 19:04  |  Johnboy 14/07/07
  321.   320 johnboy 02:37  |  duncan 15/07/07
  322.   #316 johnboy 03:06  |  duncan 15/07/07
  323.   #318 johnboy ignore us miltaryexperts 03:15  |  duncan 15/07/07
  324.   #319 on subsets 03:31  |  duncan 15/07/07
  325.   #321 Duncan on RoR; and answer in two parts 02:23  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  326.   #323 Sounds like paranoia, duncan 03:04  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  327.   #324 Why not claim the Moon is Blue, Duncan? 03:20  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  328.   #323 No, Duncan, I believe the military assessments 04:59  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  329.   #324 On why Article 6 means more than you say 07:30  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  330.   #321 Duncan, you and Israel tie yourself in knots 10:50  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  331.   #321 Duncan, on the UN use of words 11:07  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  332.   #325 12:47  |  duncan 16/07/07
  333.   #326 has johnboy ever read hamas charter 13:01  |  duncan 16/07/07
  334.   #327 13:03  |  duncan 16/07/07
  335.   #329 13:06  |  duncan 16/07/07
  336.   #333 Back atcha` Duncan 14:01  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  337.   #332 Duncan asks about the Balfour Declaration 14:20  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  338.   #334 No duncan, according to EVERYONE 14:30  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  339.   #35 Pardon, Duncan? 14:32  |  Johnboy 16/07/07
  340.   #336 p1 22:27  |  duncan 16/07/07
  341.   #336 p2 22:29  |  duncan 16/07/07
  342.   #336 p3 22:30  |  duncan 16/07/07
  343.   #337 p1 23:22  |  duncan 16/07/07
  344.   #337 p2 23:23  |  duncan 16/07/07
  345.   #337 p3 23:24  |  duncan 16/07/07
  346.   #338 p1 23:53  |  duncan 16/07/07
  347.   #338 p3 00:00  |  duncan 17/07/07
  348.   #339 00:04  |  duncan 17/07/07
  349.   #331 p1 00:18  |  duncan 17/07/07
  350.   #331 p2 00:18  |  duncan 17/07/07
  351.   #331 00:22  |  duncan 17/07/07
  352.   #350 A quick reply to this one Duncan 08:33  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  353.   #351 And this one, even more quickly 08:50  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  354.   #349 Commonsense, Duncan? Where? 09:29  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  355.   #346 You understand wrong, Duncan 09:59  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  356.   #346 Duncan - the occupier is not entitled to help herself. 10:28  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  357.   #347 The Israel High Court of Justice 10:50  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  358.   #352 12:59  |  duncan 17/07/07
  359.   #353 13:04  |  duncan 17/07/07
  360.   #354 13:07  |  duncan 17/07/07
  361.   #355 13:15  |  duncan 17/07/07
  362.   #340 You want a URL, Duncan? 15:35  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  363.   #341 You are stretching it now duncan 15:45  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  364.   #342 Just repeating the mantra, Duncan? 15:56  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  365.   #343 No, duncan, I don`t 16:03  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  366.   #343 The leader of Mandate Palestine 16:14  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  367.   #344 Traitors to whom, Duncan? 16:27  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  368.   #358 Duncan, on legal experts 16:36  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  369.   #358 Duncan, you don`t seem to grasp the power of words 16:43  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  370.   #359 Duncan, sorry, you stretch credulity again 16:52  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  371.   #361 A mighty quick change of the topic there, Duncan 17:02  |  Johnboy 17/07/07
  372.   #362 22:50  |  duncan 17/07/07
  373.   #363 23:08  |  duncan 17/07/07
  374.   #373 Duncan, Nasser dug his troops in 01:29  |  Johnboy 18/07/07
  375.   #372 Duncan, put down the rose-colored glases 01:40  |  Johnboy 18/07/07
  376.   #364 01:07  |  duncan 20/07/07
  377.   #365 01:26  |  duncan 20/07/07
  378.   #377 I "implied" that, did I? 13:11  |  Johnboy 20/07/07
  379.   #374 Might help to tell me what they said, duncan... 13:15  |  Johnboy 20/07/07
  380.   #378 01:36  |  duncan 22/07/07
  381.   #378 01:36  |  duncan 22/07/07
  382.   #379 p1 02:03  |  duncan 22/07/07
  383.   #379 p2 02:05  |  duncan 22/07/07
  384.   #380 Duncan, on what Balfour said 15:09  |  Johnboy 22/07/07
  385.   #382 Duncan, on Israeli paranoia 15:18  |  Johnboy 22/07/07
  386.   #384 balfour meaning 16:46  |  duncan 22/07/07
  387.   385 parnoia 16:53  |  duncan 22/07/07
  388.   #386 Duncan, on treaty obligations 18:09  |  Johnboy 22/07/07
  389.   #387 Duncan`s inclusive view of democracy at work 18:18  |  Johnboy 22/07/07
  390.   #388 league of nations on homeland 20:10  |  duncan 22/07/07
  391.   #388 league p2 20:15  |  duncan 22/07/07
  392.   #389 20:29  |  duncan 22/07/07
  393.   #390 The League`s responsibility under the mandate 02:26  |  Johnboy 23/07/07
  394.   #391 Duncan on British "illegality" 02:42  |  Johnboy 23/07/07
  395.   #392 No, Duncan, I am not 02:51  |  Johnboy 23/07/07
  396.   394 balfour 22:26  |  duncan 23/07/07
  397.   #395 six day war threat 22:40  |  duncan 23/07/07
  398.   #396 Duncan 01:32  |  Johnboy 24/07/07
  399.   #397 You need to read to read more, Duncan 01:46  |  Johnboy 24/07/07
  400.   #398 balfour 22:54  |  duncan 25/07/07
  401.   398 p2 22:56  |  duncan 25/07/07
  402.   399 six day war 23:06  |  duncan 25/07/07
  403.   #401 The League was itself a creation of the Principle Allies, Du 02:27  |  Johnboy 26/07/07
  404.   #401 You want my comment? 02:39  |  Johnboy 26/07/07
  405.   #403 22:20  |  duncan 26/07/07
  406.   #404 balfour contradicted ? 22:23  |  duncan 26/07/07
  407.   #403 lloyd george and the mandate 22:27  |  duncan 26/07/07
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