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Why there is no Palestine
By Bradley Burston

Two ships of state are headed directly toward each other at an average rate of 75 deaths per month.

The first ship, which we will call I., has many captains and no rudder. It is slowly but inexorably sinking from the corrosive effects of corruption, callousness and exhaustion. The second ship, which we will call P., is sinking at a somewhat faster rate, its hull breaking in two, its crew in mutiny against itself. Vessel P. is unable to feed its passengers, unable to alter its fate.

For your matriculation, answer the following, showing your work: What is the probability that both ships will sink before they next have a chance to collide?

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Extra credit: Arab leaders have been speaking of creating an independent Palestine for more than a century. Four of the last five Israeli prime ministers have endorsed the concept and spoken of fostering it. The world community recognizes that there should be such a state. So does U.S. President George W. Bush. A billion Muslims believe that there must be such a state.

Why is there no Palestine?

1. Because Israelis can't decide what they want.

Polls have shown that a clear majority of Israelis wants to see an end to the occupation. But history - and the craters of Katyushas and Qassams - indicate that a clear majority of Israelis, and an absolute majority of their leaders, are unwilling to take the potentially catastrophic risks of ending the occupation unilaterally.

Moreover, suspicious of the Palestinians' ultimate intentions and fearful of the social consequences of expelling West Bank settlers, the public shows little inclination to seek a diplomatic solution.

We no longer want to pay the price of occupation, but we have become convinced that the price of ending it is far higher.

2. Because Palestinians cannot decide what they want.

For decades, the Palestinians had no need to decide what they wanted. Israel shunned their representatives, dismissed their aspirations, settled their lands, and imprisoned and otherwise hunted down their leaders.

The occupation was more than simply the address for all complaints, the explanation for all disappointments, the diagnosis for all pain. It was also the excuse for indefinitely delaying debate over the character of a future independent Palestine.

Ironically, the hope of statehood was kept alive through the very darkest periods of occupation. More recently, however, as Gaza drowns in civil war and blood feud, Palestinians have begun to wonder if they will ever have a state at all.

To be able to move toward statehood, Palestinians must decide how they themselves stand on the bedrock issues of the conflict. Fundamentally, they must decide if they wish to make a final peace with Israel, or press for a Palestine to supplant it.

3. Because neither side is willing to abide by peace agreements.

Each side has banks of researchers assembling evidence that the other side consistently violates the explicit terms of signed peace accords. The evidence, on both sides, is conclusive.

4. Because we are, all of us, better at vengeance than we are at forgiveness.

For both sides, it is the first rule of politics: Peace is politically dangerous, if not lethal. War, or at least talk of war, is the safer default setting.

This is similar to, but not the same as:

5. Because we love our extremists too much.

Both sides have a profound sentimental attachment to the militants, extremists and hardliners in their midst. We see them as the keepers of the pure flame, the ideologically untarnished, remnants of a more straightforward era. We also suffer from them, as the minority whose actions intentionally thwart the possibility of peace for the majority.

On the Palestinian side they may be gunmen or suicide bombers or their dispatchers; on our own, hilltop youth or those suffering from Temple Mount delusions.

We tolerate them, we subsidize them, we admire them, we arm them, we forgive them their trespasses, we allow them to live outside our own laws - and, in return, they ruin our lives.

6. Because the policies of both sides play directly into the hands of extremists on the other.

Hamas is Hamas because of Israel. And no group in the Holy Land has done more to bolster the Israeli far right than Hamas.

7. Because the Muslim world wants its Palestinians to suffer.

The Muslim world grants the Palestinians fortunes in lip service, and little else of value. The Palestinians are much more valuable to them as valiant, pathetic symbols of victimhood. The Palestinians are to the Muslim world as the wretched refugees of Gaza once were to the Palestinian leadership. Their image can act as lightning rods for unrest, turning domestic political discord into anger against Israel.

8. Because the West now sees them as terrorists.

All terrorism, like all news, is local. The moment Muslim terrorists strike a Western city, the Twin Towers, the Underground, the Madrid depot, Palestinian resistance turns overnight to terrorism, in the local journalistic vernacular. Thanks largely to Al-Qaida, the West has changed its definition of Palestinian resistance, from defense of the innocent to targeting of the innocent.

9. Because Arafat lied to them.

While Yasser Arafat was signing agreements with Israel, he was letting his people know in hints and winks and exhortations that they would in the end have everything they wanted. Refugees would return to their homes in Israel proper. Jerusalem's Old City would return to Muslim sovereignty. The armed struggle would tip the balance.

There is also the lie inherent in the rule of corruption which Arafat fostered, sapping critical resources, undermining public confidence and crippling efforts at responsive governance.

10. Because they cannot stop themselves.

There is no one to put an end to civil war. There is no spiritual authority, there is no governmental authority, there is no military authority.

11. Because some of the best people in Palestine are leaving.

And because some of the people who cannot leave are unable to think about anything else.

12. Because each side takes it for granted that its side is clearly, morally, objectively in the right, and that the other side is nothing but wrong.

A fool's paradise turns out to be better than no paradise at all.

13. And because the Holy Land is the world capital of wishful thinking.

Deep down, both sides secretly believe that they will get what they wanted all along, whether it's Greater Israel or Greater Palestine, complete sovereignty over Jerusalem or the right of return.

After a century of struggle, the Palestinians deserve better. The Palestinians deserve a nation. But after a century of struggle, they now face their worst test since 1948.

Their ship of state needs a painful refitting, and a radical and perhaps terrifying change of course. As a people, the Palestinians are now facing their matriculation. If they can address their long list of problems head on, they can return to the path of independence. But skip the problems, or get them wrong, and Palestinian nationhood may be just one more dream dying in the dust in Gaza.

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  1.   BECAUSE BRADLEY THE BRITISH RENEGED ON THE BALFOUR DECLARATION 11:06  |  paul harris 15/06/07
  2.   14. Because the analysts tend to think that one can boil down.... 11:15  |  zmogus 15/06/07
  3.   Maritime comparisons 11:20  |  Hastaroth 15/06/07
  4.   Why there is no Palestine 11:28  |  Choni Davidowitz 15/06/07
  5.   Israel and Palestine = 2 people and 2 super-blunders 11:30  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/06/07
  6.   WHY THERE IS NO PALESTINE 11:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/06/07
  7.   And the Palestinians had a say when? 11:51  |  Marilyn 15/06/07
  8.   BECAUSE G-D AND HIS WORD SAY SO ?? 11:55  |  Bill. 15/06/07
  9.   How about because Palestine NEVER existed. 12:39  |  Dr David I. Gross 15/06/07
  10.   One and only one reason 12:44  |  Boris 15/06/07
  11.   #7 And MOROLYN strikes back 12:53  |  Hastaroth 15/06/07
  12.   Are You Kidding BB? What % Of Israelis Are In Favour of Greater.. 13:06  |  Tim R 15/06/07
  13.   Ofcourse, I do not agree with Bradley`s cleverly written piece. 13:16  |  lakshmi 15/06/07
  14.   Why there is no Palestine 13:18  |  SP 15/06/07
  15.   analisis versus slogans #6 13:19  |  A.M. 15/06/07
  16.   14. PEACE VS JUSTICE 13:25  |  indrajaya 15/06/07
  17.   Outremer 13:26  |  Till 15/06/07
  18.   Marilyn 13:41  |  Nik Miller 15/06/07
  19.   To Swiss from Switzerland 13:42  |  Matteo from CH 15/06/07
  20.   False symmetry again It is mainly the Palestinians fault 14:01  |  Shalom Freedman 15/06/07
  21.   1. BECAUSE PAUL OF THE IMPERIAL COLONIALIST BALFOUR DECLARATION 14:03  |  FREEDOM IN PALESTINE 15/06/07
  22.   And the Number One Reason Why..... 14:05  |  Ronnie Wolman 15/06/07
  23.   In reply to Dr. David I. Goss 14:14  |  Adam 15/06/07
  24.   Burston prosopopea: only ONE reason 14:14  |  Paolo Ortenzi 15/06/07
  25.   SP 14, it`s not so much your wrong, but you miss the point 14:16  |  bbl 15/06/07
  26.   Israel Must Talk Peace 14:16  |  Bernie 15/06/07
  27.   The occupation??? 14:21  |  David 15/06/07
  28.   keep it up Marilyn from occupied australia 14:23  |  bbl 15/06/07
  29.   What a VERY Strange Non-Country Palestine Is . 14:23  |  Klaudia 15/06/07
  30.   The Liberation of the Gaza Strip 14:32  |  David 15/06/07
  31.   To David "The occupation"?? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 14:34  |  Joseph 15/06/07
  32.   What Palestinians haven`t tried 14:35  |  Bob 15/06/07
  33.   Mr Bradley. 14:36  |  Akram Zekaria 15/06/07
  34.   There is no palestine, how can there be Palestinians? 14:38  |  Virginia 15/06/07
  35.   NO.1 REASON: BECAUSE THERE IS ONE ALREADY (JORDAN) 14:40  |  MG 15/06/07
  36.   v = u + at 14:40  |  mensch 15/06/07
  37.   Israeli Occupation 14:41  |  Nero 15/06/07
  38.   "13 reasons"? 14:44  |  Daniel 15/06/07
  39.   The Palestinians don`t have a state 14:45  |  colman 15/06/07
  40.   NO. 2 REASON: BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN`T BE ONE 14:51  |  MG 15/06/07
  41.   NO. 3 REASON: BECAUSE ARABS DON`T WANT IT... 14:52  |  MG 15/06/07
  42.   Palestinian state 14:52  |  sean 15/06/07
  43.   Why There Is No Palestine 14:53  |  G.K. James 15/06/07
  44.   Why? Because.... 14:53  |  The Other Alan 15/06/07
  45.   BECAUSE ZIONISM IS APARTHEIDIC IN ITS MISSION 14:54  |  Patriot 15/06/07
  46.   The probability that IL.S.Ship sink has grown Higher , 15:02  |  Joseph E . 15/06/07
  47.   I know why 15:05  |  Stranger 15/06/07
  48.   #21 ther is and was NEVER A PALESTINE 15:07  |  paul harris 15/06/07
  49.   #26 BERNIE WHAT ARE YOU ON ? I MUST GET SOME !! 15:09  |  paul harris 15/06/07
  50.   Why there is no Palestine 15:11  |  Sam 15/06/07
  51.   This shouldn`t take rocket science. It really is pretty simple. 15:11  |  Virginia 15/06/07
  52.   "The liberation of Gaza is now in the hands of the Egyptians" 15:18  |  Bill 15/06/07
  53.   #23 Prove it is a lie..... 15:21  |  John Allen 15/06/07
  54.   ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA TO EGYPT; W.BANK PARTITIONED WITH JORDAN 15:21  |  MG 15/06/07
  55.   Palestinian Realities 15:22  |  georg von Mecklenbur 15/06/07
  56.   Palestinian Realities 15:23  |  georg von Mecklenbur 15/06/07
  57.   14. Three States and Not Two 15:23  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  58.   There is a Palestine 15:25  |  unger 15/06/07
  59.   Correct Mr. Burston 15:33  |  Mark Lincoln 15/06/07
  60.   And ending the `occupation` unilaterally will, what? 15:37  |  Nechama 15/06/07
  61.   Wishful thinking from some bloggers,ofcourse,there had always 15:41  |  lakshmi 15/06/07
  62.   indrajaya # 16 Whose Justice Would That Be? 15:45  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  63.   Extreme censorship of troublemakers on Talkback 15:47  |  Clickfool 15/06/07
  64.   Brother vs Brother 15:52  |  Ron Wischkin 15/06/07
  65.   #46 WHATS APARDHEIDIC ?? APARTHEID IS PRACTICED BY ISLAM 15:59  |  paul harris 15/06/07
  66.   Never was there a Palestinian State,only a Biblical Israel 16:10  |  sam 15/06/07
  67.   Bradley Burston crashed at point 8 16:13  |  GSW 15/06/07
  68.   What happened...and what won`t happen. 16:18  |  Walter 15/06/07
  69.   The Indrjaya conundrum 16:22  |  Joel in Albany 15/06/07
  70.   NEVER MEANT TO BE 16:25  |  B 15/06/07
  71.   Two reasons why there will soon be no Israel... 16:30  |  Steven 15/06/07
  72.   Because Israelis do not understand evolution 16:31  |  Tosefta 15/06/07
  73.   There aren?t all that many reasons. 16:37  |  Ran 15/06/07
  74.   Palestinian state. 16:52  |  David Nigel Braham 15/06/07
  75.   Lile a Letterman top 10 - Brads list is funny yet sad 16:54  |  pace306 15/06/07
  76.   BECAUSE MOSHIACH DOESN`T WANT PALESTINE IN ERETZ ISRAEL HOLY LAND 16:57  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 15/06/07
  77.   A Nation 17:02  |  B 15/06/07
  78.   67Sam,forever trying to throw a monkey wrench in,see my post 62 17:04  |  lakshmi 15/06/07
  79.   Iakshmi # 59 UNGAR 181 17:11  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  80.   Bradley it`s good to see an article showing both sides 17:12  |  Sharonelle 15/06/07
  81.   When time will be up, everybody will know, surely the whole world 17:12  |  Simon 15/06/07
  82.   National Self Determination 17:17  |  D.R. Zukerman 15/06/07
  83.   Arafat Did NOT Lie To His People 17:21  |  Ben Israel 15/06/07
  84.   Article 17:22  |  Jiri 15/06/07
  85.   Jordan IS Arab Palestine. 17:36  |  David 15/06/07
  86.   Mr B Burston 17:41  |  Moshe Y 15/06/07
  87.   BB mostly right 17:52  |  Rick 15/06/07
  88.   unger # 59 What Occupation? 17:52  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  89.   60# Mark L. Can`t see the fourth dimension of the JewishProroblem 17:57  |  Akram Zekaria 15/06/07
  90.   48Howdy Jeff N. your parallels not quite accurate,Bangladesh and 18:03  |  lakshmi 15/06/07
  91.   An attempt at a balanced view 18:04  |  Ben Azai 15/06/07
  92.   Gaza is still occupied (Unger #59) 18:11  |  Tosefta 15/06/07
  93.   Jeff Northridge 18:11  |  unger 15/06/07
  94.   #67 18:16  |  Sharonelle 15/06/07
  95.   Clickfool, #64 stop the squawking 18:16  |  FOX 15/06/07
  96.   Because Israelis do not understand evolution 18:20  |  Tosefta 15/06/07
  97.   #14 18:30  |  Yaffe 15/06/07
  98.   Point 6 18:38  |  Shlomo 15/06/07
  99.   Because we love our extremists?? 18:39  |  William 15/06/07
  100.   no Palestine,never! 18:45  |  akiva P 15/06/07
  101.   A new Slapstick show (Jeff Northridge #58) 18:54  |  Tosefta 15/06/07
  102.   many Arab leaders 18:54  |  DJStahl 15/06/07
  103.   Power relations NOT symmetric 18:55  |  roberto 15/06/07
  104.   #44 Chaim Gorenstein 18:57  |  Disgusted 15/06/07
  105.   Thats about the size of it 18:58  |  Danite 15/06/07
  106.   clickfool #64 19:07  |  roberto 15/06/07
  107.   Bradley the delusionist 19:16  |  Lee Marks 15/06/07
  108.   these modern palestinians are 19:17  |  maria 15/06/07
  109.   Why do the Pals "deser ve" a state?? 19:18  |  Carlo 15/06/07
  110.   STOP EMPOWERING TERRORISTS! 19:41  |  AV 15/06/07
  111.   ONe good reason: The land belongs to Israel 19:49  |  Chaim 15/06/07
  112.   Mr Burston swings and misses again 19:52  |  Gee 15/06/07
  113.   # 19 Matteo, thanks very much, I hope enough Israel supporters... 19:53  |  Swiss (Dino) 15/06/07
  114.   Lakshmi #62 - and yet with all of the troubles Arabs gave India.. 19:53  |  William 15/06/07
  115.   Patriot #46 - does the name imply myopia and racism? 20:00  |  William 15/06/07
  116.   WHY THERE WILL BE NO ISRAEL, just some points! 20:02  |  Mervat El-Khatib 15/06/07
  117.   @ 64 Funmakers are no troublemakers. 20:04  |  Karl 15/06/07
  118.   There is indeed Palestine 20:24  |  Margot F 15/06/07
  119.   Why there is no Palestine 20:33  |  Heatherross 15/06/07
  120.   Iakshmi # 75 The Distance Is Irrelevant 20:42  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  121.   For Karl # 101 20:53  |  Clickfool 15/06/07
  122.   KISS principal 20:58  |  Baz Mann 15/06/07
  123.   The Arabs have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity 20:59  |  Anat 15/06/07
  124.   "Palestinianism" exists ONLY in opposition to Israel 21:04  |  Scharker Yid 15/06/07
  125.   Dear Mervat... 21:11  |  Isaac 15/06/07
  126.   Because there are no Palestinians! 21:17  |  Mike 15/06/07
  127.   Mervat`s gift for understatement 21:18  |  Pilly 15/06/07
  128.   Tosefta # 76 No Occupation Subsists In Gaza 21:28  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  129.   Marilyn 21:29  |  Kerry Winn 15/06/07
  130.   "palestine" 21:32  |  Shmuelshachor 15/06/07
  131.   Moral "draws" is politically correct, but false 21:39  |  Fortuna Benmayor 15/06/07
  132.   Anat #117 21:47  |  Baz Mann 15/06/07
  133.   Bradley should get his history right 21:53  |  Richard 15/06/07
  134.   Correction #77 21:55  |  Baz Mann 15/06/07
  135.   To Marilyn # 7 22:05  |  Sarah 15/06/07
  136.   Palestine 22:10  |  P. J. Casey 15/06/07
  137.   BERNY 26-GREATER ISRAEL IS COMING. 22:11  |  MIRA 15/06/07
  138.   Howdy Jeff N.and William 22:12  |  lakshmi 15/06/07
  139.   noone wants peace 22:26  |  Greg 15/06/07
  140.   Tosefta # 91 On Top Of The World 22:28  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  141.   Bradley Burston 22:41  |  Friend 15/06/07
  142.   #104 Maria; are you sharing Paul`s mushrooms??? 22:55  |  mary 15/06/07
  143.   palestinian state 22:57  |  hochmann alena 15/06/07
  144.   What is SAD is that these Pals, NEVER HAD A SAY 22:59  |  The Just 15/06/07
  145.   A state IS on the way. After the wall is finished 23:00  |  Jason 15/06/07
  146.   There will never be Palestine, PG 23:03  |  Aharon Hacohen 15/06/07
  147.   El Khatib as a Zionist I thank you 23:05  |  Danite 15/06/07
  148.   there is Palestine 23:09  |  Manar 15/06/07
  149.   Daniel 23:10  |  Laura 15/06/07
  150.   Where is Palestine ? 23:13  |  Jane K 15/06/07
  151.   Mervat El-Khatib # 112 Counterpoints 23:24  |  Jeff Northridge 15/06/07
  152.   to sear from derry ireland, #42 23:51  |  citizen zero 15/06/07
  153.   mary living in the bible belt of florida 23:55  |  maria 15/06/07
  154.   Paul Harris#1 you are right 100% but you forgot some thing 00:00  |  e.m 16/06/07
  155.   How can you utter such tripe after what Hamas just did? 00:01  |  Gili 16/06/07
  156.   manar....hebron is not even belong 00:05  |  maria 16/06/07
  157.   #45 Parrot, You continue to parrot, it will take you 00:08  |  TOMY 16/06/07
  158.   Jane K? regarding Palestine 00:21  |  Ibrahim 16/06/07
  159.   There is only one reason: Pals want the whole land. Period. 00:24  |  Mr. Ami Goldman 16/06/07
  160.   #1, as if the Brits had the right to decide Palestine`s fate 00:33  |  newageblues 16/06/07
  161.   Swiss #5 00:39  |  Lynn 16/06/07
  162.   Tosefta 00:47  |  Lynn 16/06/07
  163.   Adam? History not fantasy 00:48  |  Dr David I. Gross 16/06/07
  164.   lakshmi 00:53  |  Lynn 16/06/07
  165.   Tosefta: Question (or Two) on Evolution 00:58  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  166.   # 161 Lynn 01:22  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/06/07
  167.   BECAUSE PALS DON`T ACTUAL WANT A STATE -PREFER ROLE of VICTIM 01:41  |  don 16/06/07
  168.   They were always terrorists 02:03  |  Efox 16/06/07
  169.   #166, Dino 02:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/06/07
  170.   #160 Jordan is Palestine 02:16  |  e.m 16/06/07
  171.   Bradley and Ha`aretz`s Bizarre Moral Equivalency 02:17  |  Yoram 16/06/07
  172.   "There will be no Israel,nor Palestine,nor Tehran,nor Damascus" 02:19  |  Sam 16/06/07
  173.   Dose Gadhafi is tire of Palestinians or got brain? 02:32  |  e.m 16/06/07
  174.   Iakshmi # 138 Touchy, Touchy! 02:36  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  175.   # 9 David 02:39  |  Axel 16/06/07
  176.   why there is only Israel 02:42  |  andrew john 16/06/07
  177.   # 163 David 02:51  |  Axel 16/06/07
  178.   # 118 Margot 02:59  |  Axel 16/06/07
  179.   to GSW 03:13  |  andrew john 16/06/07
  180.   The best I can do for you (Jeff Northridge #128) 03:15  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  181.   Welcome the birth pangs of a new nation 03:32  |  Elias Khoury 16/06/07
  182.   Re 63 Mr Clickfool 03:33  |  Alan the real one 16/06/07
  183.   #174: Jeff 03:53  |  An Indian 16/06/07
  184.   the question is wrong and should not be answered 03:55  |  Labhras 16/06/07
  185.   Conquered "House of Peace" and unconquered infidel "House of War" 03:57  |  Dave Loev 16/06/07
  186.   Klaudia #29 03:58  |  TonyL 16/06/07
  187.   174Howdy Jeff N. and Lynn,first off we are not unduly worried 04:00  |  lakshmi 16/06/07
  188.   Klaudia #29 P2 04:02  |  TonyL 16/06/07
  189.   Klaudia #29 P3 04:08  |  TonyL 16/06/07
  190.   Demographic wars 04:09  |  Anonymous 16/06/07
  191.   #160 Jordan is Palestine 04:30  |  e.m 16/06/07
  192.   Lakshmi - Have You Seen Any Of This? 04:35  |  Eli 16/06/07
  193.   Axel # 175 Not So Fast 04:45  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  194.   CHGODMK and Evolution 05:01  |  Danite 16/06/07
  195.   Listen to yourselves 05:02  |  Kaelinda 16/06/07
  196.   Bradley Burston 05:10  |  Bill 16/06/07
  197.   Danite: Welcome Back! 05:39  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  198.   Tosefta # 180 Is That The Best That You Can Do? 05:50  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  199.   Nik Miller admonishing Marilyn...wrongly 05:54  |  Silvienne 16/06/07
  200.   "bbl", whoever that is, also telling Marilyn off....wrongly 05:57  |  Silvienne 16/06/07
  201.   There is no Palestine, says Virginia..... 06:02  |  Silvienne 16/06/07
  202.   Chaim: the land belongs to Israel 06:10  |  Silvienne 16/06/07
  203.   Never mind King David, Sarah... 06:14  |  Silvienne 16/06/07
  204.   CHGODMK 06:18  |  Danite 16/06/07
  205.   The Charter (CHGODMK #165) 06:26  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  206.   kudos to mr. burston 06:26  |  eric 16/06/07
  207.   Reading comprehension test (Jeff Northridge) 06:27  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  208.   #22 ronnie wolman 06:50  |  eric 16/06/07
  209.   Logique a la Tosefta IAW A, B, and C 07:00  |  Voice of Reason 16/06/07
  210.   #194 Danite, you`re somewhat correct about Tosefta`s belief 07:07  |  Smadar 16/06/07
  211.   Why is there no Palestine......how sad 07:14  |  abo dauod 16/06/07
  212.   # 168 who is "they" efox? 07:19  |  eric 16/06/07
  213.   Tosefta: Hamas, The Talmud and Charters 07:25  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  214.   # 49 hey paul; be careful what you ask for... 07:36  |  eric 16/06/07
  215.   Danite 07:38  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  216.   191, e.m., both sides holding up the peace train 07:39  |  newageblues 16/06/07
  217.   Tosefta: Hamas, The Talmud, and Charters 07:54  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  218.   Why no Palestine? 07:54  |  howiej 16/06/07
  219.   Evolution of Hamas (Smadar #210) 07:55  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  220.   Tosefta re: comprehension tests 07:56  |  TonyL 16/06/07
  221.   #205, Tosefta 08:04  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/06/07
  222.   Tosefta re: Smadar 08:17  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  223.   #219 Tosefta, familiar with the statement you mentioned 08:34  |  Smadar 16/06/07
  224.   # 156 maria; arafat had... 08:48  |  eric 16/06/07
  225.   Silvienne # 203 The British Mandate of Palestine 08:55  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  226.   # 29 hey klaudia 09:00  |  eric 16/06/07
  227.   The "Israel Problem" will be solved soon 09:12  |  spyguy 16/06/07
  228.   # 109 to cario in montreal 09:35  |  eric 16/06/07
  229.   Tosefta # 207 Wrong! 09:53  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  230.   IL FACES 3 SOLUTIONS, PAL-ARAB STATE IS NOT ONE OF THEM! 10:09  |  MG 16/06/07
  231.   Because the Palestinians don`t want `a state` 10:19  |  Jasmine Murphy 16/06/07
  232.   # 69, JOEL IN ALBANY 10:50  |  indrajaya 16/06/07
  233.   Re:# 216.We are patient 10:59  |  e.m 16/06/07
  234.   #214 NO IT WONT ERIC : BUT START WITH 11:11  |  paul harris 16/06/07
  235.   Things were better when Israel ruled Gaza? 11:12  |  e.m 16/06/07
  236.   #222 THEE WISH IS FATHER TO THE THOUGHT SPYGUY 11:13  |  paul harris 16/06/07
  237.   Spyguy`s analysis 11:19  |  Jasmine Murphy 16/06/07
  238.   Tosefta on the ropes, Again! 11:51  |  FOX 16/06/07
  239.   Because of their aptitude for delusions which 12:02  |  S 16/06/07
  240.   Toseffta`s comprehension test 12:03  |  FOX 16/06/07
  241.   Is it land or hate the Jews ? 12:34  |  Akram Zekaria 16/06/07
  242.   There is a Palestine! 12:52  |  Joel 16/06/07
  243.   Jeff Northridge on `Occupation` 13:41  |  Roy Jones 16/06/07
  244.   Peace will never fly here- letter to the author 15:10  |  Pal 16/06/07
  245.   Interesting news, Akram Zekaria # 241 15:28  |  Clickfool 16/06/07
  246.   Because , You should exterminate your enemies , if not, 15:42  |  Sal 16/06/07
  247.   Roy Jones, good name wake up 15:56  |  FOX 16/06/07
  248.   opportunity? 16:17  |  sky 16/06/07
  249.   Pal, feel potent #244 16:20  |  FOX 16/06/07
  250.   # 235 e.m., My heart goes out to you. I am praying for 16:31  |  Virginia 16/06/07
  251.   Advice to Tosefta`s 16:32  |  James 16/06/07
  252.   There is a Palestine! Agreeing with 242 16:33  |  Marlene 16/06/07
  253.   #231, Jasmine, of course the Pals want a state 16:33  |  newageblues 16/06/07
  254.   # 158 Ibrahin 16:45  |  Abushanab 16/06/07
  255.   # 116 Merwat Elkalb 16:52  |  AlTawil 16/06/07
  256.   Reconciliation 16:54  |  sky 16/06/07
  257.   Because... 16:55  |  charles 16/06/07
  258.   Roy Jones # 243 The ICJ, etc. (part 1) 16:57  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  259.   # 158 Ibrahim 16:58  |  Jane K 16/06/07
  260.   Tosefta, regrettably, I somewhat agree with Jeff & Fox 17:12  |  Smadar 16/06/07
  261.   Nero 17:16  |  miki less 16/06/07
  262.   The Dilema 17:23  |  ERSB 16/06/07
  263.   What is called progress (Smadar #223) 17:29  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  264.   Roy Jones # 243 The ICJ, etc. (part 2) 17:39  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  265.   #238 Rabid Fox on the loose 17:39  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  266.   #251 SORRY JEFF THE ONLY SOVEREIGN BORDER IS WITH JORDAN 18:07  |  paul harris 16/06/07
  267.   CHGODMK (Evolution #217) 18:29  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  268.   Because it is neither needed nor wanted 18:31  |  Mike 16/06/07
  269.   Joel # 242 18:48  |  charles 16/06/07
  270.   Smadar, Hamas , due dilligence and Cicero 18:51  |  Danite 16/06/07
  271.   Smadar#2 18:55  |  Danite 16/06/07
  272.   Smadar #260 18:58  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  273.   Smadar#3 18:59  |  Danite 16/06/07
  274.   CHGODMK and Hamas Key 19:05  |  Danite 16/06/07
  275.   Tosefta: Unfortunately, I do understand the process 19:06  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  276.   Let`s put it this way 19:14  |  Mike 16/06/07
  277.   paul harris # 266 Perhaps, But Let`s Be Practical 19:36  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  278.   1 reason why Palestine is not Israel 19:36  |  Moe 16/06/07
  279.   Patriot or traitor # 45 ? 19:57  |  Moshe Yerushalmi 16/06/07
  280.   Middle East in just a few paragraphs 19:57  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  281.   Information where leb. Nassrallah is hinding in bunker 20:03  |  Informant 16/06/07
  282.   all aboard 20:07  |  Wade Smith 16/06/07
  283.   Glad you made yourself clear (Jeff Northridge #229) 20:09  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  284.   Mike # 268 Good Analysis! 20:10  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  285.   Roy Jones #243 (Re Jeff N aka Slapstick #251) 20:11  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  286.   In Re #183: An Indian 20:14  |  Arslaq al-Kabir 16/06/07
  287.   Information where leb. Nassrallah is hinding in bunker 20:18  |  Informant 16/06/07
  288.   FOX.. Good name, but aren`t you nocturnal? 20:26  |  Roy Jones 16/06/07
  289.   #182, In Re: Clickster 20:26  |  Arslaq al-Kabir 16/06/07
  290.   It is unfortunate (Chgodmk #275) 20:26  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  291.   UGY the she-camel`s owner (re Smadar #363) 20:29  |  Tosefta 16/06/07
  292.   # 274 Danite 21:00  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/06/07
  293.   Bradley, ISRAELIS CAN`T PLAY FAIR 21:00  |  Dutch 16/06/07
  294.   Because hagar couldnt... 21:09  |  Billy Jack 16/06/07
  295.   Swiss Dino 21:18  |  Danite 16/06/07
  296.   Dutch you wouldn`t know fair if it bit you on the nose 21:37  |  bbl 16/06/07
  297.   So Dutch, wherever you live... 21:41  |  bbl 16/06/07
  298.   Re: Virginia. Thank you for your support 21:42  |  e.m 16/06/07
  299.   13 reasons? 21:46  |  John 16/06/07
  300.   Tosefta: Unfortunate Indeed 21:46  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  301.   re: eric 21:47  |  Efox 16/06/07
  302.   Jeff Northridge. ICJ etc... 21:50  |  Roy Jones 16/06/07
  303.   #252 Marlene, Israelis maybe a doomed people 22:02  |  Dutch 16/06/07
  304.   Re:253,It is all about HATE,Like Akram Zekaria said too 22:03  |  e.m 16/06/07
  305.   Danite #274 22:03  |  CHGODMK 16/06/07
  306.   This is for Moe #278 USA 22:07  |  Pedro 16/06/07
  307.   John 299 22:13  |  charles 16/06/07
  308.   Re:clickfool#245Don?t run away from reality 22:18  |  e.m 16/06/07
  309.   Middle East Part 1 22:31  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  310.   Middle East Part 2 22:33  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  311.   Middle East Part 4 22:34  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  312.   Middle East Part 5 22:34  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  313.   Middle East Part 6 22:35  |  Bob Sloggin 16/06/07
  314.   #296 bbi 22:46  |  Dutch 16/06/07
  315.   #295, Danite 22:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/06/07
  316.   Marlene # 252 23:01  |  Moshe Y 16/06/07
  317.   RE bob sloogin 23:06  |  Billy Jack 16/06/07
  318.   # 231 Palestine 23:08  |  Marc S 16/06/07
  319.   A stopped clock 23:15  |  Robert Farrell 16/06/07
  320.   Roy Jones, serving up pablum 288 23:21  |  FOX 16/06/07
  321.   Roy Jones # 288 Sorry, Naval & Air Forces Don`t Qualify 23:30  |  Jeff Northridge 16/06/07
  322.   Re Billy Jack, May be funny but what`s wrong? 23:33  |  Bruce 16/06/07
  323.   bbl #297 regarding Doris (dutch) 23:40  |  FOX 16/06/07
  324.   Billy Jack speak with forked tongue 23:46  |  FOX 16/06/07
  325.   re: Billy Jack 23:47  |  Efox 16/06/07
  326.   FOX #247 re: Roy Jones 23:57  |  TonyL 16/06/07
  327.   Marilyn, forever the anti-zionist diatribe in her mouth 00:02  |  akiva P 17/06/07
  328.   to Maria .. about Hebron 00:05  |  Manar 17/06/07
  329.   to Mike .. lets put it this way 00:14  |  Manar 17/06/07
  330.   Matteo from CH @ # 19 00:19  |  akiva P 17/06/07
  331.   re: Manar 00:29  |  Efox 17/06/07
  332.   Roy Jones # 302 You Almost Had Me Worried 00:29  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  333.   hamas is hamas because of ISrael 00:42  |  Susan 17/06/07
  334.   Why there is no Palestine 01:07  |  Meir 17/06/07
  335.   re efox 01:10  |  Billy Jack 17/06/07
  336.   TO Mr Bradley Burston...14,because they hate more Israel than ... 01:19  |  The Dumbite kid 17/06/07
  337.   Deserve? Palestinians deserve WHAT!?!?!!! 01:24  |  Dennis M Starkman 17/06/07
  338.   No Doubt In My Mind That Dutch, Marlene, Marilyn and Hannah 01:27  |  Phinias Whoppy 17/06/07
  339.   Re:Bob Sloggin,Great post but do u believe leftist will get it? 01:29  |  e.m 17/06/07
  340.   To Mr Ben Israel on Arafat`s lies 01:30  |  Dennis M Starkman 17/06/07
  341.   Billy Jack # 335 01:33  |  ChanahS 17/06/07
  342.   its my last week on this site. 01:34  |  Billy Jack 17/06/07
  343.   Tosefta # 283 I Can Live With My Failures; Can You? 01:41  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  344.   real peace or no peace. 01:58  |  pedro 17/06/07
  345.   re: Billy Jack 01:59  |  Efox 17/06/07
  346.   Oh Marilyn, how sad 02:01  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  347.   "332 Jeff rre `302 RoyJones 02:06  |  Labhras 17/06/07
  348.   The German view 02:08  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  349.   Robert Farrell #319, take a wild guess 02:27  |  Bruce 17/06/07
  350.   Re: Manar #329 02:38  |  Bruce 17/06/07
  351.   Labhras # 347 Who`s Going To Enforce Them? 03:40  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  352.   Billy Jack # 342 Adios 03:47  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  353.   GAZA BELONGS TO US; WEST BANK YOU ARE NEXT 03:54  |  Muhammud al-Swain 17/06/07
  354.   or call it a colony of the Ottoman Empire 03:58  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  355.   #6 - Cipora Julianna Kohn 04:19  |  Kurnas 17/06/07
  356.   #293 DORIS HAS THE WRONG PERCENTAGES 04:23  |  paul harris 17/06/07
  357.   One true purpose of the Palestinian State 04:24  |  Dave Loev 17/06/07
  358.   #353 THE SWINE AND THE LAND OF EREWHON 04:28  |  paul harris 17/06/07
  359.   failure at creating an economy 04:37  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  360.   # 313 to bob sloggin: bull! 05:09  |  eric 17/06/07
  361.   Tosefta re Evolution, Hamas and Kurdistan 05:29  |  dana 17/06/07
  362.   Muhammud al-Swain #353 05:40  |  Bruce 17/06/07
  363.   "351 Jeff 05:57  |  Labhras 17/06/07
  364.   Muhammud al-Swain # 353 AhaI Another Threat! 06:14  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  365.   Danite, a belated response to # 270, 272 & 273 06:24  |  Smadar 17/06/07
  366.   304 e.m. Asking for you opinion. 06:50  |  Akram Zekaria 17/06/07
  367.   Re chanah s 07:08  |  Billy Jack 17/06/07
  368.   #355, Kurnas 07:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/06/07
  369.   #361, dana 07:24  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/06/07
  370.   I was almost tricked... 07:28  |  nunie 17/06/07
  371.   Labhras # 363 So What? 08:27  |  Jeff Northridge 17/06/07
  372.   Moaning Manar 08:35  |  Jasmine Murphy 17/06/07
  373.   Cipora, Dana 08:45  |  Silvienne 17/06/07
  374.   Three states 08:55  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  375.   Because the Palestinians hate the Jews more than they love their 09:02  |  Zev 17/06/07
  376.   Good morning Smadar #365 09:14  |  FOX 17/06/07
  377.   #361 poor understanding Dana 09:32  |  FOX 17/06/07
  378.   They NEVER missed an opportunity 09:59  |  Haim 17/06/07
  379.   Axel - YES dumped - No Palestine - face reality/learn history 10:05  |  Dr David I. Gross 17/06/07
  380.   FOX #372 Pretty good answer... 10:12  |  S 17/06/07
  381.   Moslems in India 10:47  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  382.   Israeli Arabs 11:22  |  Gene Warech 17/06/07
  383.   Israel exists because USSR wanted the Brits out of the Middle Eas 11:31  |  durak 17/06/07
  384.   Silvienne, tears to my eye #201 12:03  |  FOX 17/06/07
  385.   Why there is no palestine 12:45  |  yasen soliman 17/06/07
  386.   Why there is no palestine 12:47  |  yasen soliman 17/06/07
  387.   dana: for the record 13:52  |  CHGODMK 17/06/07
  388.   # 100 Akiva P. You are Correct.Just a short quote by Denis Ross.. 15:01  |  Kath` 17/06/07
  389.   #364 Jeff Northridge 15:11  |  Muhammud al-Swain 17/06/07
  390.   Evolution of the Right of Return (Dana #361) 16:10  |  Tosefta 17/06/07
  391.   To Muhammud al-Swain 16:25  |  Bruce 17/06/07
  392.   Good morning Fox #376 17:12  |  Smadar 17/06/07
  393.   Burston, his doubtful poll and occupation 17:46  |  Don Lary 17/06/07
  394.   Re: #371--The Californicated Apostate 18:39  |  Arslaq al-Kabir 17/06/07
  395.   Why There is no Palestine 18:40  |  Abraham Tache 17/06/07
  396.   #391 Bruce 19:21  |  Muhammud al-Swain 17/06/07
  397.   Dana 19:50  |  American in NY 17/06/07
  398.   Muhammud al-Swain, can we defeat a "power of islam"? 21:16  |  Bruce 17/06/07
  399.   Gaza is your future if you ever learn. 22:10  |  Akram Zekaria 17/06/07
  400.   CHGODMK #387 - On Dreams vs Fears 22:49  |  dana 17/06/07
  401.   FOX #377 - Some understand, some Inflame, and Some just fear 23:08  |  dana 17/06/07
  402.   Cipora #369 - Busy Profiling 23:28  |  dana 17/06/07
  403.   S #380 - Disappearing Acts 23:43  |  dana 17/06/07
  404.   Dana, regarding the Kurds and Fear 23:55  |  FOX 17/06/07
  405.   #393 - Sorry Palestine is for Monkies 00:44  |  P Otseloy 18/06/07
  406.