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REFERENDUM: Return of a bilateral peace plan
By Bradley Burston

The following is an experiment in interactivity. Respondents to this piece are requested to begin their talkback response with PRO, CON, or ABSTAIN.

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This week, campaigning to be the Labor Party's candidate for prime minister, Ami Ayalon issued a re-endorsement of the peace plan which he and Palestinian intellectual Sari Nusseibeh initiated in 2002.

Ayalon, a onetime commander of the Israel Navy and former chief of the Shin Bet, said Sunday that the proposal outlined his vision for a future peace.

The plan, in its outlines, adopts elements of the Clinton proposal, the Saudi initiative, UN resolutions, and past Israel-PA agreements. Under the plan, an independent Palestine would be established in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with a link between them.

The borders of the new state would be based on 1967 lines, with a territorial exchange allowing for Israel to annex major settlement blocs and an equal amount of area to be granted Palestine from areas now within Israel proper. No settlers would remain within Palestine.

The Palestinian state would be demilitarized, under agreements in which the international community would guarantee its security.

Regarding the right of return, "Palestinians refugees will return only to the State of Palestine; Jews will return only to the State of Israel." In addition, Israel, Palestine, and the international community would set up a fund to compensate Palestinian refugees for their suffering.

As for Jerusalem, the Palestinians would have sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods, and Israel over Jewish neighborhoods. Neither side would have sovereignty over holy sites. Israel would act as guardian of the Western wall, Palestine as guardian of the Noble Sanctuary mosque compound.

On Sunday, Ayalon said he believed that 70 percent of Israelis and an equal percentage of Palestinians supported the plan.

I believe he's right. I also believe that it will be an unconscionable eternity before we can bring ourselves to do anything about it.

I also believe that after we are finished rocketing, bombing, hating, blaming, and demonizing each other, that is to say, decades from now, when we as armed overgrown pre-schoolers finally grow up, these are the outlines of the arrangement we will swallow our bile and accept.

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  1.   PRO: I always supported this plan 11:30  |  Shlomo from Tel-Aviv 11/06/07
  2.   Pro!!! 11:40  |  Elie Friedman 11/06/07
  3.   Bradley Bradley Bradley 11:40  |  Daniel 11/06/07
  4.   I AM A "CONT" ON THESE BASIS 11:41  |  indrajaya 11/06/07
  5.   I AM A "CONT" ON THESE BASIS 11:41  |  indrajaya 11/06/07
  6.   Bilateral Peace Plan 11:46  |  Mark Scher 11/06/07
  7.   Pro 11:54  |  Guido 11/06/07
  8.   And what happens when... 11:57  |  H50 11/06/07
  9.   referendum 12:01  |  Av10.3830 11/06/07
  10.   CON CON AND CON IT WILL NOT WORK PERIOD 12:03  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  11.   Plan 12:03  |  Baruch 11/06/07
  12.   Pro in theory 12:05  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/06/07
  13.   PRO Peace Plan 12:08  |  Paul Usiskin 11/06/07
  14.   PRO but 12:09  |  Baruch Nili 11/06/07
  15.   CON - Geneva Agreement 12:13  |  Dr Alon 11/06/07
  16.   pro-but needs safeguards 12:15  |  nina 11/06/07
  17.   PRO: The link is interesting, but difficult to implement 12:21  |  Joe Average 11/06/07
  18.   The ONLY fair solution to this conflict !! 12:24  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  19.   ONLY IF ALLLLL ARABS IN ISRAEL MOVE TO 12:25  |  amy 11/06/07
  20.   PRO-Definately 12:28  |  British Leftie 11/06/07
  21.   Bilateral Peace Plan 12:30  |  Yaakov 11/06/07
  22.   ABSTAIN 12:34  |  ted 11/06/07
  23.   My 2 cents - PRO 12:34  |  JW 11/06/07
  24.   Pro 12:35  |  Mark 11/06/07
  25.   realism 12:42  |  chaim 11/06/07
  26.   # 1 Shlomo from Tel Aviv 12:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  27.   i am cont, it is bradley´s ans ayalon fantasy 12:48  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  28.   Referendum 12:51  |  Martin 11/06/07
  29.   dino, pals voted hamas, it is answer, ayalon and 12:56  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  30.   PRO and here`s why: 12:59  |  uncle moishy 11/06/07
  31.   Con - To Nina #17 13:00  |  Daniel 11/06/07
  32.   H50 Hani 13:01  |  ab 11/06/07
  33.   I am PRO 13:04  |  cfs 11/06/07
  34.   PRO 13:05  |  Shadi 11/06/07
  35.   ABSTAIN- ONLY RESPONSIBLE CHOICE 13:06  |  Mark Krass 11/06/07
  36.   Palestine Judenrein 13:06  |  Jeff Webber 11/06/07
  37.   PRO - Geneva Agreement 13:12  |  New Israeli 11/06/07
  38.   PRO 13:18  |  SD 11/06/07
  39.   PRO 13:23  |  Reuben Jacobs 11/06/07
  40.   PRO But how to get the Zionist extremists to buy into it? 13:28  |  David 11/06/07
  41.   #33, shadi, you are first arab here to support the 13:29  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  42.   oslo ARAFAToslo ARAFATdo you really support pro ? 13:31  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  43.   To Swiss (Dino) - I support this plan in principle. 13:31  |  Shlomo from Tel-Aviv 11/06/07
  44.   #37, new israeli, 70% of support in israel 13:33  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  45.   Bad Deal 13:35  |  Barry 11/06/07
  46.   Sounds like a Plan to me 13:36  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/06/07
  47.   only like a Joke 13:36  |  Baruch 11/06/07
  48.   to Jeff Webber - Palestine Judrein 13:39  |  SD 11/06/07
  49.   ABSTAIN 13:44  |  christoph 11/06/07
  50.   Pro - with conditions 13:45  |  Nik Miller 11/06/07
  51.   CON 13:48  |  Johnny Weintraub 11/06/07
  52.   PRO, as there are no benefits with a `con` 13:48  |  JustMe 11/06/07
  53.   PRO!!!! with enthusiasm 13:50  |  Tom S 11/06/07
  54.   Con---Greater Vision Needed i.e Confederation 13:52  |  Brian Freund 11/06/07
  55.   PRO -- A reasonable outline 14:09  |  Cdn Ron 11/06/07
  56.   to indrajaya the CONT 14:10  |  Sol 11/06/07
  57.   Contra! 14:13  |  Jonathan S 11/06/07
  58.   PRO 14:16  |  S 11/06/07
  59.   PRO with tweaks... but DO IT NOW 14:36  |  Paul 11/06/07
  60.   # 56, SOL 14:36  |  indrajaya 11/06/07
  61.   Pro 14:40  |  Reuven 11/06/07
  62.   almost pro 14:41  |  Max Cohen 11/06/07
  63.   pro. the least worst solution 14:42  |  yonah 11/06/07
  64.   # 29 vladimir 14:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  65.   PRO: Only plan that makes sense 14:51  |  Edward Witten 11/06/07
  66.   FLOGGING 14:55  |  GABE1 11/06/07
  67.   # 43 Shlomo from Tel Aviv 14:58  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  68.   CON 14:58  |  Daniel 11/06/07
  69.   Pro 14:59  |  Jack 11/06/07
  70.   PRO 15:02  |  Rob 11/06/07
  71.   Abstain, since I don`t live in either place... 15:15  |  Lynn 11/06/07
  72.   This is just Barak`s Camp David Regurgitated 15:15  |  Tom 11/06/07
  73.   Another referendum 15:19  |  Gene 11/06/07
  74.   What suffering? 15:23  |  John Allen 11/06/07
  75.   Abstain, not sure 15:23  |  Inyaki 11/06/07
  76.   indrajaya 15:23  |  Lynn 11/06/07
  77.   PRO I am for this plan with serious reservations 15:25  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/06/07
  78.   referendum PRO 15:25  |  colman klein 11/06/07
  79.   CON, but PRO the Saudi Peace Plan 15:26  |  Roger Bannister 11/06/07
  80.   PRO: but I`m not Israeli or Palestinian 15:26  |  Uptoyou Lotreally 11/06/07
  81.   ABSTAIN - EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOOD EXCEPT FOR JERUSALEM????? 15:28  |  Nicole 11/06/07
  82.   PRO - The Best We Can Hope For 15:29  |  Jane 11/06/07
  83.   To 68 Daniel 15:35  |  Another Daniel 11/06/07
  84.   PRO, and the Geneva Accords even better 15:41  |  Tosefta 11/06/07
  85.   Why Jew Free 15:43  |  Ethan 11/06/07
  86.   # 76, LYNN 15:46  |  indrajaya 11/06/07
  87.   Pro 15:50  |  ATLAS 11/06/07
  88.   CON--and the terms are irrelevant 15:52  |  Carol 11/06/07
  89.   To Swiss (Dino) 15:54  |  Shlomo from Tel-Aviv 11/06/07
  90.   Return of a bilateral peace plan 15:55  |  Brant 11/06/07
  91.   Roger:"The Saudi Peace Plan" 15:55  |  Lars Hansen 11/06/07
  92.   Jane #82 15:59  |  GABE1 11/06/07
  93.   PRO 16:03  |  Gerrit 11/06/07
  94.   Con. Pro UN resolution 194 16:03  |  Derek Hootman 11/06/07
  95.   Rob in Edinburgh 16:07  |  Nik Miller 11/06/07
  96.   TOSEFTA #84 16:09  |  GABE! 11/06/07
  97.   Gabe1-I Am Not "All Over the Map" 16:10  |  Jane 11/06/07
  98.   PRO 16:13  |  Simone 11/06/07
  99.   Pro 16:14  |  Ben 11/06/07
  100.   PRO 16:14  |  Boycott 11/06/07
  101.   Reply to `Another Daniel` from Rehovot 16:15  |  Daniel 11/06/07
  102.   Absolutely CON 16:17  |  Israel Zwick 11/06/07
  103.   Con 16:18  |  Dunny 11/06/07
  104.   #15 Alon 16:18  |  Boycott 11/06/07
  105.   Return of a bilateral peace plan 16:21  |  mario glisser 11/06/07
  106.   PRO PRO PRO 16:22  |  Richard Katzwer 11/06/07
  107.   CON 16:34  |  G-d 11/06/07
  108.   Pro, but with Caveats and Reservations. 16:35  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  109.   PRO 16:38  |  Sarah 11/06/07
  110.   PRO: Peace plan of the Lord;2 the children of Israel! 16:39  |  SAM 11/06/07
  111.   Pro...what other choice is there? 16:49  |  Jacob 11/06/07
  112.   PRO 16:51  |  DJM 11/06/07
  113.   PRO - Good starting Point 16:51  |  Mahona 11/06/07
  114.   Pro - if pragmatic 16:53  |  Klas 11/06/07
  115.   CON 16:54  |  Holden Waxman 11/06/07
  116.   PRo - with a big IF 16:56  |  Ofer 11/06/07
  117.   One More Caveat 17:07  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  118.   70% of whom? 17:10  |  Michael N 11/06/07
  119.   CON!!! TRANSFER!!! 17:10  |  Fred Michaelsberg 11/06/07
  120.   Ronnie Wolman: If I Had to Choose 17:18  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  121.   Peaceful, final and fair resolution of Israeli-Palestinian confli 17:18  |  Helps 11/06/07
  122.   PRO: How many more dead before it`s signed 17:18  |  Dave 11/06/07
  123.   Result from the first 100 responses 17:21  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  124.   ABSTAIN 17:22  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  125.   daniel, daniel etc 17:23  |  A.M. 11/06/07
  126.   #106 JACOB IS JOKING ! THE QUESTION HOW TO ENFORCE 17:27  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  127.   Initial results 17:31  |  Jack 11/06/07
  128.   PRO- and up to Israelis and Palestinians who live here 17:32  |  Omri 11/06/07
  129.   PRO 17:33  |  Ernst 11/06/07
  130.   CON: IL FACES 3 SOLUTIONS, THIS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT ONE OF THEM! 17:33  |  MG 11/06/07
  131.   indrajaya 17:37  |  A.M. 11/06/07
  132.   indrajaya 17:37  |  A.M. 11/06/07
  133.   Pro If Majority Of Israel Is Pro! 17:39  |  Yosemite 11/06/07
  134.   To Indrajaya The Hardliner 17:42  |  Yosemite 11/06/07
  135.   Con. 17:42  |  Hillary Dawn 11/06/07
  136.   PRO - but prefer binational state 17:43  |  jlk 11/06/07
  137.   CON: SAUDI "PEACE" PLAN CAN NEVER GIVE UP "RETURN" OF REFUGEES 17:43  |  MG 11/06/07
  138.   Pro 17:44  |  Jonathan 11/06/07
  139.   PROposal to Haaretz 17:49  |  Tosefta 11/06/07
  140.   To Lars "When Gilo is evacuated" 17:50  |  Ron Howard 11/06/07
  141.   PRO plus 17:50  |  Laura 11/06/07
  142.   Pro, but, as the author realizes, not likely. 17:52  |  David Turner 11/06/07
  143.   Abstain Have no say 17:54  |  Magrite 11/06/07
  144.   43 Shlomo from Tel-Aviv - No-Trust Implementation 17:55  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  145.   PRO - but it will take a while 17:59  |  Rick 11/06/07
  146.   In theory 18:00  |  Avi Yerushalmi 11/06/07
  147.   A RESOUNDING NO! 18:02  |  Willtam 11/06/07
  148.   bilateral plan 18:04  |  richard zakin 11/06/07
  149.   77 Ronnie Wolman - NO Trust Implementation 18:05  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  150.   Pro But 18:11  |  Franklin 11/06/07
  151.   CON: BECAUSE PALESTINIAN IDENTITY INVENTED ONLY TO DESTROY ISRAEL 18:14  |  Joel Stein 11/06/07
  152.   Pro 18:14  |  Benjamin Teitelbaum 11/06/07
  153.   103 CHGODMK - Implementation Problems 18:15  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  154.   # 118 Mark of Lewiston 18:19  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  155.   Pro: if both sides can choose to accept... 18:20  |  Tess 11/06/07
  156.   The Saudi Plan and the refugees (Roger Bannister #79) 18:25  |  Tosefta 11/06/07
  157.   Is Israel ready for this? Part 1 18:26  |  Nahum 11/06/07
  158.   PRO: You can`t always get what you want 18:26  |  B 11/06/07
  159.   Is Israel ready for this? Part 2 18:29  |  Nahum 11/06/07
  160.   Con."When Gilo is evacuated" 18:29  |  Sarhagit Weiss 11/06/07
  161.   CON of course 18:37  |  Millhouse 11/06/07
  162.   The only plan that make sense 18:38  |  Joseph 11/06/07
  163.   #45 Barry 18:41  |  Rick 11/06/07
  164.   CON 18:43  |  Polybios 11/06/07
  165.   # 130 Laura, arrogance is not your thing, is it ??? 18:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  166.   Implementation - Not to worry (Mak of Lewiston #138) 18:51  |  Tosefta 11/06/07
  167.   PRO PRO PRO but the right of return needs some work 18:58  |  thru-other-eyes 11/06/07
  168.   # 138 Mark of Lewiston Theory and practice 18:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  169.   PRO bilateral plan 19:00  |  orlando gomero 11/06/07
  170.   #144 - Sarhagit - of course not 19:11  |  Ofer 11/06/07
  171.   PRO- Peace between the people 19:13  |  Ahmad 11/06/07
  172.   Abstain 19:13  |  Jacob Blues 11/06/07
  173.   #128 MY PROPOSAL IS TO FIND PTACTICAL COMMENTS ON TALKBACK 19:16  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  174.   Pro 19:16  |  Maria Hurt 11/06/07
  175.   Never work.... 19:20  |  Webster 11/06/07
  176.   PRO: a good idea 19:27  |  Peter Mall 11/06/07
  177.   CON 19:30  |  Sam 11/06/07
  178.   Pro..Fantastic 19:33  |  Eli 11/06/07
  179.   it all depends on the usa 19:34  |  michael 11/06/07
  180.   Indrajaya -- at least your consistent 19:43  |  bbl 11/06/07
  181.   Bradley.CON AGAINST IT.I CONCUR WITH PAUL HARIS. 19:43  |  KATH` 11/06/07
  182.   Pro!!!!! 19:44  |  Ethan 11/06/07
  183.   # 15 Dr.Alon. CON-Geneva Agreement,etc,etc. 19:46  |  KATH` 11/06/07
  184.   A win-win is not possible with Hamas in power 19:48  |  Jason 11/06/07
  185.   To Shlomo from Tel-Aviv, I do also support plan 19:49  |  Ahmad 11/06/07
  186.   PRO however... 19:52  |  Ben 11/06/07
  187.   PRO but it has vast crevasses in it 19:52  |  Rowan Berkeley 11/06/07
  188.   TO EVERYONE HERE.THIS IS AN ISRAELI ISSUE... 19:56  |  KATH` 11/06/07
  189.   BUT what should israel do when rockets for on jerusalem and haifa 19:57  |  SHIMON 11/06/07
  190.   Definitely Pro!! 19:58  |  Tal 11/06/07
  191.   con 20:01  |  ap 11/06/07
  192.   CON - Wishful Thinking Sorry 20:07  |  Rafi 11/06/07
  193.   Con: Israeli denial of reality will bring worse wars, not peace 20:09  |  Joel Stein 11/06/07
  194.   Peace in our times, again 20:12  |  Jack 11/06/07
  195.   19 - The Pal State Is Jordan 20:13  |  Bruriah Sarah 11/06/07
  196.   CON , Inta Hamas A`U Fatah , F`listini , Boom 20:13  |  Joseph E . 11/06/07
  197.   21 - Problem is that Hamas & Fatah want to destroy Israel 20:16  |  Bruriah Sarah 11/06/07
  198.   40 - What you are asking for is the destruction of Israel 20:19  |  Bruriah Sarah 11/06/07
  199.   contra 20:24  |  abd 11/06/07
  200.   PRO: The Arab Silence is Deafening 20:26  |  B 11/06/07
  201.   PLAN GOOD, BUT? 20:28  |  tbart 11/06/07
  202.   Double standards 20:31  |  John 11/06/07
  203.   PRO 20:33  |  rhubarbpie 11/06/07
  204.   PRO, reluctantly 20:33  |  Frederico 11/06/07
  205.   Pro, but the devis is in the detail 20:34  |  Baz Mann 11/06/07
  206.   140 Swiss (Dino) - Reality Intrudes 20:34  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  207.   CON: I am for biblical boarders, # 102 may be close 20:35  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  208.   CON- ..and the world will love us.... 20:36  |  GABE1 11/06/07
  209.   Kath`-Flogging a Dead Horse 20:39  |  GABE1 11/06/07
  210.   intl force in a demilitarized zone 20:43  |  abd 11/06/07
  211.   I said #102 MAY be close because I am only aware of 2 courts 20:44  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  212.   #167 Kath - it is an ISRAELI issue and Kahnists jews from the US 20:44  |  Tal 11/06/07
  213.   152 Tosefta - Gradualism 20:45  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  214.   Referendum 20:47  |  P. J. Casey 11/06/07
  215.   Pro peace. 20:52  |  Aviv 11/06/07
  216.   PRO 20:54  |  Mike 11/06/07
  217.   154 Swiss (Dino) - You Almost make my Point 21:01  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  218.   Pro - peace treaty needed for real security 21:01  |  dr.steveb 11/06/07
  219.   Let`s do it (Biblical boarders) for God. 21:01  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  220.   Would like to be pro, but Jihad a killer 21:03  |  Michael Korn 11/06/07
  221.   PRO - land swap must include Arab towns inside of Israel 21:08  |  Joe 11/06/07
  222.   Biblical Boarders is NOT something man can force.Nor is occupying 21:09  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  223.   Biblical Boarders is NOT something man can force.Nor is occupying 21:09  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  224.   P R O by x M . Wholeheartedly 21:11  |  Amnon 11/06/07
  225.   CON- Here is your answer #176, from a Palestinian 21:12  |  yezmar 11/06/07
  226.   PRO - The score so far 21:21  |  tadchase 11/06/07
  227.   PRO!!! PRO!!! PRO!!! PRO!!!! PRO!!!! 21:21  |  Nick W 11/06/07
  228.   #15.Dr Alon 21:28  |  Dr.Sa`d al Rashid 11/06/07
  229.   News for Swiss #140 21:32  |  Tosefta 11/06/07
  230.   CON! 21:33  |  BEN 11/06/07
  231.   Kath #167- CON 21:34  |  GABE! 11/06/07
  232.   CON-Flogging a dead Horse 21:41  |  DRORA 11/06/07
  233.   Pro, but really con 21:45  |  The Other Alan 11/06/07
  234.   # 178 John, and [trap] set by one of their own to boot!!! 21:45  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  235.   Peace Plan 21:49  |  Harry 11/06/07
  236.   Here is what the vote would look like... [broarcast worldwide] 21:52  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  237.   Oh, it would also have to be asked if they were Messanic/secular 21:54  |  Virginia 11/06/07
  238.   PRO - land swap must include Arab towns inside of Israel 21:54  |  Joe 11/06/07
  239.   Abstain - won`t happen until the Messiah comes 21:57  |  Messiah 11/06/07
  240.   Who arranges and maintains the disarmament? 22:02  |  Arik 11/06/07
  241.   CON -- Here`s why. 22:03  |  Timothy 11/06/07
  242.   CON 22:07  |  Enlightened One 11/06/07
  243.   Daniel, Daniel, Daniel.... 22:17  |  APR 11/06/07
  244.   186 Virginia - Soloman`s or Ahab`s? Whose? 22:20  |  Mark of Lewiston 11/06/07
  245.   #188 JOE KNOWS FA LL BUT PROPOSES 22:20  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  246.   187 I am with Michael Korn...Hamas will not give up 22:27  |  Albert Amato 11/06/07
  247.   CON , The Sacrifice of Israel 22:32  |  Joseph E . 11/06/07
  248.   New (workable) Peace Plan 22:37  |  Max 11/06/07
  249.   #198 CON.DRORA 22:37  |  Sandy 11/06/07
  250.   May I inform that there are around 70%PRO this Peace Plan 22:42  |  Arik 11/06/07
  251.   PRO, but as Baz Mann said, the devil is in the detail 22:45  |  Ben Alofs 11/06/07
  252.   CON - it`s a deathwish 22:52  |  ronit 11/06/07
  253.   Wishing together. 22:53  |  TonyL 11/06/07
  254.   #251 BEN WHICH ILLEGAL FACTS ON THE GROUND? 22:57  |  paul harris 11/06/07
  255.   Sandy #249 22:59  |  DRORA 11/06/07
  256.   PRO Geneva 23:00  |  Barry Marks 11/06/07
  257.   PRO 23:02  |  JKR 11/06/07
  258.   # 217 Mark of Lewiston Great plan (in a perfect world.....) 23:03  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/06/07
  259.   PRO! 23:07  |  Daniyal 11/06/07
  260.   CON - Colonists will veto any 2-state solution 23:08  |  Adam 11/06/07
  261.   PRO 23:09  |  Maxim 11/06/07
  262.   Non-Israelis/Non-Jews are not allowed to vote!!!!! 23:14  |  G. Marcus 11/06/07
  263.   #66..Gabe1 23:15  |  Nemesis 11/06/07
  264.   Ayalon Peace Plan 23:17  |  Ed 11/06/07
  265.   Con...agree with #66 Gabe1 23:22  |  Eastcoaster 11/06/07
  266.   referendum 23:28  |  mohamed kochen 11/06/07
  267.   Ignorant Timothy 23:29  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/06/07
  268.   Pro & Con 23:30  |  Alon Fisher 11/06/07
  269.   Mark of Lewiston #153: Criteria 23:39  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  270.   Pro 23:44  |  The Northern Wind 11/06/07
  271.   PRO 23:47  |  Michael Steiner 11/06/07
  272.   Swiss Dino 23:50  |  Laura 11/06/07
  273.   Live with it, or die with it 23:52  |  Laura 11/06/07
  274.   ISL/PAL decide BUT dont become another India/Pakistan 23:54  |  An Indian.. 11/06/07
  275.   #173 Paul Harris 23:55  |  Laura 11/06/07
  276.   #64, dino, i am not so sure about rio vote, we have 23:55  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  277.   #67, dino, liberman is living near jerico and not beithlehem 23:59  |  vladimir 11/06/07
  278.   # 229 Tosefta 00:00  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/06/07
  279.   PRO - but won`t happen 00:02  |  Jonathan 12/06/07
  280.   Messianic Age of Peaceful Coexistence comes when it comes 00:07  |  Messiah 12/06/07
  281.   another left wing dream which will only work on paper 00:08  |  zionist forever 12/06/07
  282.   Un-acceptable. Demilitarize Israel at the same time 00:11  |  Ah 12/06/07
  283.   #91, lars hansen, you have no right to advise us, 00:14  |  vladimir 12/06/07
  284.   samaritans of today 00:16  |  stork 12/06/07
  285.   Gradualism (Mark of Lewiston #213) 00:20  |  Tosefta 12/06/07
  286.   Pro 00:26  |  Ben Azai 12/06/07
  287.   CONDITIONAL REFERENDUM PRO 00:30  |  Larry 12/06/07
  288.   CONDITIONAL REFERENDUM PRO Part2 00:35  |  Larry 12/06/07
  289.   CONDITIONAL REFERENDUM PRO Part3 00:40  |  Larry 12/06/07
  290.   Pro Con 00:54  |  NatJust 12/06/07
  291.   PRO 1 State, 1 Vote for ALL 01:00  |  James 12/06/07
  292.   Pro! 01:08  |  sg 12/06/07
  293.   CON Israel should hold onto the territories 01:23  |  Kristina 12/06/07
  294.   CON , Go forth and learn about their "Vision" 01:26  |  Joseph E . 12/06/07
  295.   What`s wrong with the Saudi Plan Bradley? 01:30  |  Bill Pearl 12/06/07
  296.   PRO PRO PRO 01:33  |  JOHNIE 12/06/07
  297.   CHGODMK: Choose(ing) Life 01:35  |  Ronnie Wolman 12/06/07
  298.   CON Forget it No different from Oslo 01:36  |  Sam WEinstein 12/06/07
  299.   Tosefta #139 I Have News For You 01:36  |  Tim R 12/06/07
  300.   Tosefta #84 TRY TWO 01:38  |  GABE! 12/06/07
  301.   stork 01:43  |  compensation 12/06/07
  302.   REFERENDUM: Return of a bilateral peace plan 01:47  |  Joshua 12/06/07
  303.   # 58 S . YOU ARE NOT VOTING "PRO"? YOU HORRIED MAN.. 01:50  |  KATH` 12/06/07
  304.   Pro 01:55  |  Ethan 12/06/07
  305.   referendum 02:05  |  Roberto 12/06/07
  306.   CON - Israel wouldn`t last a decade under this "peace plan". 02:09  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  307.   CON: Remember the Trojan Horse 02:26  |  Yoseph 12/06/07
  308.   PRO bi-lateral peace plan 02:33  |  isabel maxwell 12/06/07
  309.   #251. Ben Alofs. YOU ARE CORRECT,YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE VOTED... 02:36  |  Kath` 12/06/07
  310.   Arik #250. You must know this talkback count doesn`t represent .. 02:40  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  311.   # 263 zionist forever. EASY ON THIS BOARD,WHAT A CACOPHONY... 02:52  |  KATH` 12/06/07
  312.   PRO 03:00  |  jessica 12/06/07
  313.   Haaretz.PUT OUT #212 TAL,AND #263 ZIONIST FOREVER. 03:03  |  KATH` 12/06/07
  314.   what poor ha`aretz intern... 03:04  |  Jacob 12/06/07
  315.   people 03:05  |  isiaiah 12/06/07
  316.   #275 TimR`s dream news 03:17  |  Tosefta 12/06/07
  317.   # 244 Mark, Biblical boundries are set forth in 03:19  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  318.   I just believe, there is the world`s way and there is God`s way. 03:22  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  319.   PRO 03:28  |  Gary in Los Angeles 12/06/07
  320.   PRO but it won`t happen. 03:30  |  Simple Tom 12/06/07
  321.   Retun of a bilateral peace plan 03:31  |  Dan Porat 12/06/07
  322.   PRO. But the devil is in the detail. 03:33  |  Nick Ferriman 12/06/07
  323.   Is it about peace, or a death wish? 03:59  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  324.   Biblical boundries are set forth in to Virginia 04:01  |  Jolanda 12/06/07
  325.   Chaim, like Bradley wrote 70% of the Israelis supports a 2 state 04:05  |  Aviv 12/06/07
  326.   Reply to AH (Post No. 268) 04:09  |  Johnny Weintraub 12/06/07
  327.   # 308 Nick, and others who have said the same thing, what are you 04:15  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  328.   Pro, " v`od aich" 04:16  |  Shelley 12/06/07
  329.   PRO,PRO and PRO again 04:18  |  Daniel Leopold 12/06/07
  330.   #251 Kath. The right to interfere. 04:22  |  Ben Alofs 12/06/07
  331.   Where are the Israel bashing regulars? 04:33  |  Daniel Leopold 12/06/07
  332.   # 212 Tal. HEY TAL.JUST HEAR THIS.AM A 100%TRUE BLUE AND WHITE... 04:39  |  KATH` 12/06/07
  333.   pro 04:40  |  citizen zero 12/06/07
  334.   PRO 04:44  |  jacobo 12/06/07
  335.   PRO - BUT: GERMANS have no right of return or refund either 04:44  |  Felix Drost 12/06/07
  336.   # 314 Jolanda, of all I said,the most important thing to consider 05:06  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  337.   PRO 05:06  |  Shlomo 12/06/07
  338.   # 314 Jolanda - Whether it be property, marraige, etc. God is not 05:13  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  339.   Chaim #300 also remember 05:26  |  Elias Khoury 12/06/07
  340.   Pro, except for one thing 05:32  |  Josh Korn 12/06/07
  341.   Con! but Is peace a real possibility? 05:37  |  Dan Chazan 12/06/07
  342.   CON -- no to annexations, disarmed psudeostate 05:42  |  Robert Farrell 12/06/07
  343.   Tosefta #306 "Abbas: I won`t give up demand for right of return" 05:43  |  Tim R 12/06/07
  344.   ABSTAIN, but Israelis should not be CONed into a PROne position 05:55  |  Voice of Reason 12/06/07
  345.   Palestinians in Palestine, Jews in Belarus 05:58  |  Amin Nusseibeh 12/06/07
  346.   Is relinquishing OCCUPIED LAND a CONCESSION? 06:20  |  Double Click 12/06/07
  347.   Aviv #315. You`re pulling stats out of thin air. 06:31  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  348.   Einstein supported Zionism and peaceful co-existence. 06:41  |  Anonymous 12/06/07
  349.   #320 Elias Khoury - you are wrong 07:07  |  Aviv 12/06/07
  350.   INDRAJAYA."CON FOR-your jihadist brothers. 07:14  |  PETER SM 12/06/07
  351.   #346 another who knows fa ll but comments JUST THE SAME 07:37  |  paul harris 12/06/07
  352.   #323 Chaim - we are talking about the Golan 07:45  |  Aviv 12/06/07
  353.   Politics are irrational - 1 of 2 07:56  |  Yehu 12/06/07
  354.   Politics are irrational - 2 of 2 07:57  |  Yehu 12/06/07
  355.   And theb thugs who swirled a guard down a building... 07:58  |  Nancy 12/06/07
  356.   PRO Ayalon - Nusseibeh Peace Plan 08:06  |  Smadar 12/06/07
  357.   #344 - you`re right 100 percent... 08:12  |  Yehu 12/06/07
  358.   To Ahmad 08:19  |  Shlomo from Tel Aviv 12/06/07
  359.   #346 While relinquishing ... 08:20  |  Yehu 12/06/07
  360.   lynn #76 08:21  |  mia 12/06/07
  361.   INDRAJAYA You care SO much for refugees.So why dump your brothers 08:31  |  PETER SM 12/06/07
  362.   H50 Fateh and Hamas have already rejected it IN WRITING 09:00  |  PETERSM 12/06/07
  363.   PRO 09:24  |  tzvi 12/06/07
  364.   Dear Kath #303 09:24  |  S 12/06/07
  365.   CON - bilateral peace 09:28  |  realist 12/06/07
  366.   Pro - no text 09:35  |  Uri 12/06/07
  367.   Land swap 10:13  |  Yohann 12/06/07
  368.   Pro 10:14  |  Brian 12/06/07
  369.   Willtam 10:16  |  Hadas 12/06/07
  370.   Something Good Maybe! 10:55  |  Yosemite 12/06/07
  371.   Read Vic Rosenthal `FresnoZionism.com on this 11:09  |  Shalom Freedman 12/06/07
  372.   Timothy? Outlaw Zionism? That`s Stupid! 11:26  |  Yosemite 12/06/07
  373.   Pro - Bezrat Hashem Speedily in our Days 11:50  |  ERSB 12/06/07
  374.   two states 12:06  |  zichron 12/06/07
  375.   Timothy and Zionsim 12:09  |  ERSB 12/06/07
  376.   PRO 12:53  |  Hanna Bard 12/06/07
  377.   Pro; at least mostly 13:20  |  Bertram 12/06/07
  378.   # 372 Yosemite, So, Evangelical Christians are "Black Zionists"? 14:26  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  379.   # 371 Shalom, Did you mean .org? Here Tzipi looks to be 14:46  |  Virginia 12/06/07
  380.   Anonymous 14:53  |  Walter 12/06/07
  381.   pro 15:36  |  Rami 12/06/07
  382.   Remember Disengagement? Oslo? Left can only lead Israel to... 16:08  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  383.   #352. It will end the same way all such plans ended: disaster. 16:17  |  Chaim 12/06/07
  384.   The Walters? never get it 16:26  |  Anonymous 12/06/07
  385.   What is a genius? 16:33  |  Anonymous 12/06/07
  386.   Thanks Virginia FresnoZionism.org 17:13  |  Shalom Freedman 12/06/07
  387.   CON in practice, PRO in theory 17:29  |  B 12/06/07
  388.   Soviet Union and others 17:40  |  B 12/06/07
  389.   PRO 18:04  |  Erik Martinez 12/06/07
  390.   Pro, But can it work? 18:05  |  Dan Chazan 12/06/07
  391.   #228, Dr.Sa`d al Rashid 18:09  |  David Turner 12/06/07
  392.   Barak vs. Netanyahu 20:26  |  Phillies Wright 12/06/07
  393.   Anonymous 20:34  |  Walter 12/06/07
  394.   Con - this idea has more holes then swiss cheese 20:49  |  pace306@aol.com 12/06/07
  395.   Peace Plan 20:58  |  Neil Schwartz 12/06/07
  396.   Pro...ish 22:38  |  Jacob 12/06/07
  397.   bilateral peace plan 23:43  |  Hershel 12/06/07
  398.   Pro !! 00:12  |  Guido 13/06/07
  399.   PRO- 00:59  |  Marcos Peckel 13/06/07
  400.   Are you okay with Israel having a 10 mile waist? 01:34  |  Chaim 13/06/07
  401.   CON 02:06  |  mojo 13/06/07
  402.   PRO, like all sane, humane people 04:11  |  Ned Lazarus 13/06/07
  403.   CON JOB.... 04:16  |  Webster 13/06/07
  404.   PRO 06:15  |  david 13/06/07
  405.   Pro, of course, 07:54  |  zeev 13/06/07
  406.   CON - a Palestinian state will not work - look at Gaza! 09:33  |  Saul Tobin 13/06/07
  407.   In view of latest developments I change to Abstain because 10:23  |  S 13/06/07
  408.   peace plan 10:46  |  Michael Seeber 13/06/07
  409.   to Saul Tobin #406 14:36  |  zeev 13/06/07
  410.   Bilateral peace plan 14:48  |  Ruby 13/06/07
  411.   More info (TimR #343) 16:09  |  Tosefta 13/06/07
  412.