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1967 - The war that ended Judaism
By Bradley Burston

Lord, save us from miracles.

Like compliments, we crave them, but when they do come our way, we don't always know how to respond. We are let out of Egypt with nothing less than a full parting of the Red Sea, and what thanks will God get? A rave in Sinai, to which He is uninvited, and blasphemy in the form of a golden calf.

Forty years ago this week, just when it seemed that it would take nothing short of a miracle for Israel to survive the coming war, the betting here was that the miracle bank had run dry. Amid the pre-emptive grave-digging and the fraught goodbyes, this was a constricted, panic-choked, border-phobic gas chamber of a country - literally, the ghetto to end all ghettos.

When the miracle came, few stopped to recall the real motto of this nation: Be careful what you pray for.

From this distance, one could conclude that while the Jewish state survived the war, Judaism as we knew it - Orthodox Judaism in particular - did not. Rabbinic Orthodoxy, the Jewish people's sworn bulwark against change, would never be the same.

1967 was the war that would persuade rabbis that they could be generals - even, or especially, if they lived in Brooklyn. The taste of power being what it is, many rabbis would soon conclude that government - and occupation - were much too important to be left to elected officials.

If absolute occupation corrupts absolutely, no group would be more corrupted by Israel's presence in the territories than rightist rabbis.

Of course, that's the last way they would see it. Cloaked in a shawl of ideological purity, spiritual erudition and lawyerly one-sidedness, right-wing rabbis went to work utterly convinced that they were the one last incorruptible group of Jewish leaders.

With Messianic zeal, they set to dictating new commandments and enunciating new prohibitions, revolutionizing Judaism by casting the settlements as the building blocks of a Third Temple - all the while turning the settlement enterprise and territories as a whole into a new Golden Calf, a god to which the people as a whole would be forced to sacrifice.

The change had been immediate, and shocking. The Temple Mount had only been in Israeli hands for a few hours before then-IDF chief rabbi Shlomo Goren pleaded with the general who had captured Jerusalem's Old City, to order that the magnificent gold-domed Mosque of Omar be blown to bits.

"I was alone for a moment, lost in thought, when Rabbi Goren approached me," Uzi Narkiss told Haaretz in an interview a few months before his death in 1997. "'Uzi,' Rabbi Goren said to me. 'Now is the time to put 100 kilograms of explosives into the Mosque of Omar so that we may rid ourselves of it once and for all.'

"I said to him, 'Rabbi, enough.'"

But Goren persisted. "'You don't grasp what tremendous significance this would have. This is an opportunity that can be taken advantage of now, at this moment. Tomorrow it will be too late.'

"I said, 'Rabbi, if you don't stop, I'll take you to jail.'"

Goren wasn't through. After the smoke had cleared, he addressed a military convention, calling it a "tragedy" that Israel had left the Temple Mount in control of Muslims: "I told this to the defense minister [Moshe Dayan] and he said, 'I understand what you are saying, but do you really think we should have blown up the mosque?' and I said, 'Certainly we should have blown it up.'"

"It is a tragedy for generations that we did not do so," Goren said. "I myself would have gone up there and wiped it off the ground completely so that there was no trace that there was ever a Mosque of Omar there."

A principle had been planted, one that would transform Orthodox Judaism even as it would permanently alter the relationship between most Orthodox Jews and the rest of the Jewish public.

Long dismissed as passive politically, militant religious Judaism came to set policy for the settlement movement as a whole, and, in effect, for the rest of us. Because we let them. We coddled the settlements with our tax revenues, we protected them with our army service, and knowingly, impotently, we tolerated their intolerance of Arabs.

If fundamentalist Muslim Palestinians taught their children that all of the Holy Land belonged to them alone, and that it was permissible that all of the Jews should be killed or expelled, entire Jewish organizations would make their livings detailing the baseness of the incitement.

But if fundamentalist rabbis in Israel taught Jewish children that all of the Holy Land belonged to them alone, and that it was permissible that all of the Palestinians should be killed or expelled, how did we respond?

We continued to pay their salaries as civil servants.

The most recent example: The Friday issue of Olam Katan [Small World], a weekly pamphlet handed out at Orthodox synagogues in Israel, contains a remarkable commentary by former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. In fact, it is a declaration of war.

And not just any war. In the battle against Hamas and Qassam attacks, the rabbi said, the civilians of Gaza who fail to stop the attacks share responsibility for the actions of the militants, and must not be spared in operations directed at gunmen and terrorists.

Asked to expanding on his words, his son, Shmuel Eliyahu, the current chief rabbi of Safed, told the Jerusalem Post last week that his father, who opposes a ground offensive that would endanger IDF troops, advocates, in the Post's paraphrase, "carpet bombing the general area from which the Qassams were launched, regardless of the price in human life."

"If they don?t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand," Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu was quoted as saying.

"And if they do not stop after 1,000, then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop, we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop."

It may take us another 40 years before we realize that what will make both sides stop, is for fundamentalist holy men on both sides to stop lobbying for "warfare until victory" which is to say, permanent war - these same men who piously rule out and, in the end, stamp out, the possibility of a permanent peace.

Lord, save us from those who preach death in Your name.

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  1.   There is extremism on both sides of the conflict 09:25  |  Swiss (Dino) 06/06/07
  2.   not so simple 09:28  |  joe 06/06/07
  3.   The words of r.Goren are very appalling 09:51  |  Shlomo from Tel-Aviv 06/06/07
  4.   As an Orthodox Jew... 09:52  |  ERSB 06/06/07
  5.   BRADLEY AND JEWISH SURFACES AGAIN 09:55  |  paul harris 06/06/07
  6.   Israel needs Help, Judaism needs Help 10:17  |  Atilla Karagozoglu 06/06/07
  7.   JUDAISM IS EVERLASTING 10:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  8.   BLOWN UP THE MOSQUE? (2nd TRY, EDITED) 10:22  |  indrajaya 06/06/07
  9.   I wonder if there is a parallel here. 10:41  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  10.   It is SAD to hear The Sodom`s wishes İn Israel ! 10:46  |  Atilla Karagozoglu 06/06/07
  11.   Self Righteous Indrajaya 10:47  |  ERSB 06/06/07
  12.   # 7: To Cipora re "JUDAISM IS EVERLASTING" 10:52  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  13.   #1, Dino 10:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  14.   Lets dont take Religions too Hard ! 11:01  |  a.k 06/06/07
  15.   We value stones more than people 11:01  |  Daniel Leopold 06/06/07
  16.   Slander of Rav Goren based on false report in `Haaretz` 11:11  |  Shalom Freedman 06/06/07
  17.   ERSB from Tel Aviv 11:12  |  Daniel Leopold 06/06/07
  18.   #9 jackson and the perpetual error OF OCCUPATION 11:13  |  paul harris 06/06/07
  19.   many SERIOUSLY ILL CHLDREEN in world 11:17  |  a.k. 06/06/07
  20.   The true story of Rabbi Goren on the `Temple Mount` 11:18  |  Shalom Freedman 06/06/07
  21.   Judaism no longer a religion 11:21  |  KA 06/06/07
  22.   The unproved allegation against Rabbi Goren 11:23  |  Shalom Freedman 06/06/07
  23.   Bradley, assuming you`re a Jew. . . 11:26  |  JW 06/06/07
  24.   Judaism is alive and well 11:26  |  Shalom Freedman 06/06/07
  25.   The Messiah Subjects ! 11:29  |  a.k. 06/06/07
  26.   The war... to# 9 11:29  |  Gabe 06/06/07
  27.   why do we need arabs? 11:31  |  kevin 06/06/07
  28.   The Wooden Houses 11:37  |  a.k. 06/06/07
  29.   Cipora Julianna Kohn # 7 11:40  |  Gina 06/06/07
  30.   The Orthodox 11:46  |  Sam 06/06/07
  31.   Thomas Jackson #9 - Share that hope 11:46  |  dana 06/06/07
  32.   Preach Life, not Death 11:50  |  TZfonit 06/06/07
  33.   You are the reason I have bad life ! Lets smile :) 11:54  |  a.k. 06/06/07
  34.   Bradley looking to shock 11:58  |  Jasmine Murphy 06/06/07
  35.   Terror 12:00  |  Murray 06/06/07
  36.   The War G-d won, and Jews lost. 12:00  |  Paul 06/06/07
  37.   An Excellent Article 12:01  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  38.   ERSB, Now I`m Confused 12:04  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  39.   Zionism is the new religion for Jews 12:24  |  El-Birawi 06/06/07
  40.   # 13 Cipora Julianna Kohn 12:32  |  Swiss (Dino) 06/06/07
  41.   Atila - seriously ill children - Save a Child`s Heart 12:35  |  Nik Miller 06/06/07
  42.   KA - some minor modifications 12:40  |  Nik Miller 06/06/07
  43.   west bank is sovereign jewish land 12:44  |  harold 06/06/07
  44.   Jewish self-hatred 12:46  |  Yehudit 06/06/07
  45.   Thomas Jackson 12:49  |  Nik Miller 06/06/07
  46.   #37, Dino 12:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  47.   If?? "If fundamentalist Muslim Palestinians taught their childr 12:54  |  pragmatist 06/06/07
  48.   ignorance is no excuse 12:55  |  yonah 06/06/07
  49.   Bradley Burston questions for you 12:56  |  Steven 06/06/07
  50.   As a Jewish atheist ... 12:58  |  Boris 06/06/07
  51.   As a Jewish atheist ... 12:58  |  Boris 06/06/07
  52.   Israel´s guilty conscience 13:13  |  Alicia 06/06/07
  53.   Boris from one Jew to another 13:17  |  Steven 06/06/07
  54.   Hurray for Judaism! 13:30  |  Boozaglow 06/06/07
  55.   Steven#53.... which Jews you are talking about? 13:32  |  Haim 06/06/07
  56.   Religious fundamentalists 13:35  |  Mitch Cohen 06/06/07
  57.   Yes Bernie, you are confused 13:35  |  ERSB 06/06/07
  58.   Rabbi Goren was right! 13:40  |  Joel Stein 06/06/07
  59.   Peace 13:44  |  Mars 06/06/07
  60.   A Four State Solution 13:45  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  61.   Alicia, I Always Thought We Had The Same 14:26  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  62.   Burston: Alll the news thats UNFIT to print 14:32  |  Dr David I. Gross 06/06/07
  63.   Very insulting article! 14:34  |  Josh 06/06/07
  64.   #45: Reply to Nik Miller re How to handle fanatical rabbis 14:36  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  65.   ERSB, What Is a Lubevitcher 14:38  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  66.   judaism 14:41  |  habakook 06/06/07
  67.   ERSB, One More Thing 14:42  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  68.   Joel, You Know Why Arabs Speak Hebrew 14:47  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  69.   This Aint Utopia Bernie 14:51  |  ERSB 06/06/07
  70.   What is Judaism? I always understood it to be 15:01  |  Virginia 06/06/07
  71.   Goren was right 15:02  |  Pinchas ben Elazar 06/06/07
  72.   #31 Reply to dana re "Share that hope" 15:04  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  73.   # 61 Dear Bernie, go with peace! 15:05  |  Alicia 06/06/07
  74.   G-d, through the prophet Zecharaiah says that 15:10  |  Palestinian 06/06/07
  75.   #18 Reply to paul harris re "the perpetual error OF OCCUPATION" 15:19  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  76.   Hiam 55, you ignorance makes me laugh. 15:19  |  Steven 06/06/07
  77.   Re: Thomas Jackson 15:26  |  Nik Miller 06/06/07
  78.   Non-sense and misdirection 15:29  |  Randal Blanchette 06/06/07
  79.   #26 Reply to Gabe re "The war" 15:33  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  80.   # 59 Mars, Zionism and Jewishism are same. Read my prior post. 15:33  |  Virginia 06/06/07
  81.   Jewish ignorance and arrogance on DISPLAY!!!! 15:43  |  Ben Uziel 06/06/07
  82.   hearsay 15:44  |  Jo Jo 06/06/07
  83.   article of perfidy 15:48  |  james 06/06/07
  84.   Jewish settlers did not form rocket-firing militias 15:52  |  Paul Freedman 06/06/07
  85.   Tzfonit #32 15:52  |  DRORA 06/06/07
  86.   Tzfonit #32 15:52  |  DRORA 06/06/07
  87.   Ronnie Wolman #60 15:56  |  Gabe1 06/06/07
  88.   C.J. Kohn #7 15:59  |  Wendy Kroll 06/06/07
  89.   Bradley and the Academic Boycott 16:01  |  Alan 06/06/07
  90.   Haaretz, my "prior post" was key to my response to Mars, 16:04  |  Virginia 06/06/07
  91.   Lashon Harah about rabbi`s 16:09  |  Ben 06/06/07
  92.   Shin Bet 16:09  |  Alan 06/06/07
  93.   GOOD JOB, Bradley, GOOD JOB 16:13  |  Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 06/06/07
  94.   Restore Israeli Sovereignty Over the Temple Mount 16:14  |  Joseph E . 06/06/07
  95.   Gabe I could make it 8 16:19  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  96.   So You Associate Judaism Only With Few Far Right Rabbis?! 16:30  |  Me 06/06/07
  97.   Bernie: Admit it - You`re an Arab from Detroit! 16:36  |  Joel Stein 06/06/07
  98.   thomas jackson what are you doing killing hundreds of thousands 16:37  |  abdel ezer 06/06/07
  99.   thomas jackson and"fanatical rabbis" 16:42  |  abdel ezer 06/06/07
  100.   Paul Yes They Did Arm Themselves 16:43  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  101.   Sorry Drora 16:45  |  Bernie 06/06/07
  102.   thomas jackson`s heartfelt conviction 16:46  |  abdel ezer 06/06/07
  103.   the antisemite thomas jackson cares for israel`s future 16:47  |  abdel ezer 06/06/07
  104.   mirror images and bipolarizations.... 16:48  |  Tess 06/06/07
  105.   #68 jackson KNOWS NOTHING AND THIS IS THE REPLY 16:58  |  paul harris 06/06/07
  106.   To Mr.Bradley Burston. 17:04  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  107.   Judaism finally meets the real world 17:10  |  Tosefta 06/06/07
  108.   What a stupid premise 17:21  |  Polybios 06/06/07
  109.   So Bradley... 17:22  |  Benattia 06/06/07
  110.   #60 Three States Is the way to go 17:24  |  nasser 06/06/07
  111.   sad sad sad 17:28  |  Jacob 06/06/07
  112.   # 22 Shalom Freedman. 17:30  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  113.   Khalid putting on his fake rabbi hat again 17:33  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  114.   #41 Nik Miller 17:36  |  Ahmad 06/06/07
  115.   Again, not to throw a monkey wrench into the discussion 17:40  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  116.   What a cheap and vulgar title. 17:50  |  Fortuna Benmayor 06/06/07
  117.   Actually... 17:51  |  Yosemite 06/06/07
  118.   Bradley Burston, this is not a true portrait of Judaism 17:56  |  Smadar 06/06/07
  119.   Tosefta: Relative Depictions 18:00  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  120.   #70 Reply to Nik Miller regarding the virtues of Judaism 18:07  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  121.   88Tosefta,89 Polybios,T.thanks for an informative response that 18:07  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  122.   Cipora what total nonsense 18:10  |  Marilyn 06/06/07
  123.   Actually, I`ve Got An Idea... 18:13  |  Yosemite 06/06/07
  124.   Bradley the Jew Responses 74 and 76..... 18:19  |  Mary 06/06/07
  125.   Thinking Back Forty Years 18:20  |  Avi Yerushalmi 06/06/07
  126.   #88: Tosefta 18:23  |  Thomas Jackson 06/06/07
  127.   continuation to my earlier post - re: Bradley`s loaded article 18:25  |  Smadar 06/06/07
  128.   Thinking Back Forty Years 18:28  |  Avi Yerushalmi 06/06/07
  129.   binational state, with arab majority, that`s what u want? 18:37  |  David 06/06/07
  130.   The big differance is , In Israel it is a fringe 18:38  |  TOMY 06/06/07
  131.   Every nation is a mosaic of beliefs 18:40  |  B 06/06/07
  132.   # 76 james in London.OH DEAR,LONDONISTAN! 18:44  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  133.   Right Argues Details, Left Doesn`t Know Enough To Argue 18:52  |  Efox 06/06/07
  134.   OY! 18:53  |  FOX 06/06/07
  135.   #58 Joel Stein: Jewish courage 18:55  |  abd 06/06/07
  136.   # 78 DRORA. re:Tzofonit. WELL SAID BUT! 18:58  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  137.   Typical Bradley 18:59  |  Richard 06/06/07
  138.   Judaism and Islam vs. Jews and Muslims 19:12  |  Ben Bara 06/06/07
  139.   Spinoza Ended Judaism - News travel slowly 19:32  |  PB FaithZero 06/06/07
  140.   Burston supported Oslo & Itnatkut. So hasn`t he been fired yet? 19:40  |  Mishal 06/06/07
  141.   Cipora Julianna Kohn - As will Hinduism 19:42  |  Hindu 06/06/07
  142.   Cipora - Everything changes 19:43  |  Me 06/06/07
  143.   Ben Bara, I think I am following what you are saying. 19:46  |  Virginia 06/06/07
  144.   It is SAD to note the Mentality of Shlomo and Shmuel. 19:52  |  Benny 06/06/07
  145.   What is the size of Vatican City?? 19:54  |  a wandering Jew 06/06/07
  146.   Ronnie Wolman #84 19:55  |  Gabe1 06/06/07
  147.   # 96 FOX. OY! LISTEN TO FOX EVERYBODY.. 19:59  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  148.   as a JEW I find rabbi Shmuel comments very alarming. 19:59  |  Amnon 06/06/07
  149.   # 92 Jacob...sad sad sad.WELL YES IT IS,BUT! 20:03  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  150.   THE HAARETZ ANTI-RELIGIOUS BIAS ONCE AGAIN 20:24  |  SHIMON 06/06/07
  151.   Rabbi Goren was partially correct 20:24  |  SHIMON 06/06/07
  152.   #98, Thomas Jackson 20:43  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  153.   A view from reality (Wolman#95. Also Smadar, Lakshmi, T. Jackson) 20:49  |  Tosefta 06/06/07
  154.   #80, 94, Wendy and Marilyn 20:50  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  155.   # 113 Virginia.re:Ben Bara..... 20:50  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  156.   #133 SHIMON: convert mosque to temple 21:04  |  abd 06/06/07
  157.   the war that ended judaism?but it has continuation 21:10  |  maria 06/06/07
  158.   # 122 Hindu.re:Cipora Julianna Kohn.TRUE BUT! 21:11  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  159.   indrajaya when God created the universe... 21:17  |  maria 06/06/07
  160.   1967 21:22  |  P. J. Casey 06/06/07
  161.   #122 abd: PARTITIONING TEMPLE MOUNT IS THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION 21:27  |  Joel Stein 06/06/07
  162.   #140 Tosefta, clarification needed re: those who study Talmud 21:35  |  Smadar 06/06/07
  163.   Religious Zionist Orthodoxy in Brooklyn 21:38  |  David 06/06/07
  164.   Mr Burston B 21:38  |  Michael Moore 06/06/07
  165.   The Song to IDF 67 six days war 21:39  |  Joseph E . 06/06/07
  166.   100&102 jacob blues,don`t quite see what you`re getting at,the 21:42  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  167.   a wandering Jew 21:48  |  Another WanderingJew 06/06/07
  168.   140Tosefta,good point about the lack of evolution of Judaism with 21:57  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  169.   So advocating genocide is OK now is it? 22:02  |  David no hair left 06/06/07
  170.   Rabbis seem to be the third oldest profession. 22:05  |  Andreas 06/06/07
  171.   Gabe: The Baker,The Chef,The Patriot and the Patriots Wife 22:09  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  172.   lakshmi 22:12  |  Polybios 06/06/07
  173.   Tosefta #94 - reforming Ancient Judaism? 22:16  |  dana 06/06/07
  174.   Giving Waqkf the administration of the Temple Mount 22:22  |  MR 06/06/07
  175.   A COMMENTARY NO MATTER WHAT YOUR BELIEFS 22:22  |  paul harris 06/06/07
  176.   Ronnie Wollman #106 - magnifying the Jewish situation? 22:28  |  dana 06/06/07
  177.   Ronnie Wolman #144 22:29  |  GABE1 06/06/07
  178.   #146, lakshmi 22:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  179.   Swiss (Dino) # 1 22:38  |  Philippe 06/06/07
  180.   Welcome to Khalid Amyrah, Lakshmi 22:39  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  181.   OY! and the wizard of Oz 22:43  |  FOX 06/06/07
  182.   #146 Lakshmi on Jewish evolution 22:43  |  Tosefta 06/06/07
  183.   For the first time Bradley Burston and I agree 22:43  |  I.A. (LubnaniYehudi) 06/06/07
  184.   Gabe:Hanem is THAT bad to you? No! 22:45  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  185.   As for Brad`s piece, lakshmi 22:47  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  186.   As for the end of Judiasm, lakshmi 22:52  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  187.   No Andreas, motherhood is the second oldest profession 22:53  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  188.   #108, lakshmi 22:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  189.   1967 Tom Segev 22:56  |  Usher Buchwalter 06/06/07
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  191.   Chances for evolution not encouraging (Dana #152) 23:03  |  Tosefta 06/06/07
  192.   #141 abd...my ONLY intention is to stop arab terrorism and claims 23:07  |  SHIMON 06/06/07
  193.   Daniel Leopold 23:08  |  MR 06/06/07
  194.   Ben Bara, or should I say Hanbal? 23:09  |  Polybios 06/06/07
  195.   Tosefta and Lakshimi, why should judaims change to your liking!?? 23:10  |  SHIMON 06/06/07
  196.   Mankind`s first profession 23:10  |  FOX 06/06/07
  197.   Ronnie Wolman #173 23:13  |  GABE1 06/06/07
  198.   B.B`s Wheels Do Tend To A Halt,After Reaching a Certain Number!!. 23:16  |  Kath` 06/06/07
  199.   Rabbinical Judaism only old as Christianity 23:18  |  John Isenhower 06/06/07
  200.   #156, dana 23:18  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  201.   Jacob Blues #179 23:19  |  GABE 1 06/06/07
  202.   Jacob Two Blues: I heard your wife is miserable!!! 23:21  |  Ronnie Wolman 06/06/07
  203.   170Cipora,to answer your first post maybe more than you know 23:25  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  204.   kath` #147 23:27  |  Wendy Kroll 06/06/07
  205.   Ronnie Wolman #173-Wife 23:27  |  GABE 1 06/06/07
  206.   B.B. U R confused much more Tora since `67 23:28  |  sam 06/06/07
  207.   jacob blues,the KA could be Amaryehm but his style here is quite 23:31  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  208.   #161, Smadar 23:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 06/06/07
  209.   Smile gentlemen, 23:36  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  210.   another suicide bomber supporter, wonderful 23:54  |  Jacob Blues 06/06/07
  211.   Clarification (Smadar #162) 23:55  |  Tosefta 06/06/07
  212.   158Kath,your distinction between spirituality(hinduism) and 23:55  |  lakshmi 06/06/07
  213.   #203, lakshmi 00:05  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  214.   # 179 Philippe 00:07  |  Swiss (Dino) 07/06/07
  215.   #203, lakshmi, addendum 00:12  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  216.   von Moltke is with the Rabbis. 00:14  |  Leslie Udwin 07/06/07
  217.   Judaism didn`t end, Bradley... 00:15  |  loofkcilc 07/06/07
  218.   Judaism didn`t end, Bradley... 00:16  |  loofkcilc 07/06/07
  219.   I knew Uzi Narkiss 00:17  |  Gee 07/06/07
  220.   Not End of Judaism But Changed Judaism 00:20  |  Avi Yerushalmi 07/06/07
  221.   Are you jewish? 00:41  |  Yusuf ibn Mohamed 07/06/07
  222.   dana "nothing is done in a day specially if it is theology" 00:54  |  ipal 07/06/07
  223.   dana wants to be twinkle toes 00:57  |  ipal 07/06/07
  224.   To FOX, #181, OY AND OZ 01:02  |  Harry 07/06/07
  225.   BB, I think you have oversimplified 01:03  |  uncle moishy 07/06/07
  226.   dana to ronnie wolman 01:03  |  ipal 07/06/07
  227.   194Polybios,hang on a sec. about Ben Bara,are you calling him 01:09  |  lakshmi 07/06/07
  228.   Kath` #155, Real interesting points you made 01:12  |  Virginia 07/06/07
  229.   tosefta "the settlers led the secular state" 01:28  |  yirmiyahu 07/06/07
  230.   tosefta "the jews show pre seventh century behaviour" 01:30  |  yirmiyahu 07/06/07
  231.   The Six Day War didn`t end Judaism 01:56  |  Mark Lincoln 07/06/07
  232.   # 33 Atila Liman Karagozoglu. NE GUZEL ISMNIZ VAR,TO ALLYOUR,POST 02:18  |  Kath` 07/06/07
  233.   what a load of BS this article 02:31  |  rich 07/06/07
  234.   Okay loofkcilc, so curious to know are you "alter-clickfool" or 02:40  |  Curious 07/06/07
  235.   # 212 lakshmi. Please Read... 02:44  |  Kath` 07/06/07
  236.   Swiss (Dino) # 214 02:45  |  Philippe 07/06/07
  237.   #200 Cipora JK - previous post - Some Answers - part I 02:49  |  dana 07/06/07
  238.   213&215,I consider the OT as the document of a particular 02:58  |  lakshmi 07/06/07
  239.   Boys and gals up there,the operators.ENOUGH ALREADY,POST 173 DANA 03:03  |  KATH` 07/06/07
  240.   Cipora JK #200 - Some more Answers part II 03:06  |  dana 07/06/07
  241.   if fundamentalist muslims... 03:12  |  citizen zero 07/06/07
  242.   #212, lakshmi 03:21  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  243.   Joel Stein #97, there are Jews who disagree w/ Israeli policy 03:24  |  Irish Sensation 07/06/07
  244.   #200 Cipora JK, Part III and Tosefta - please double check? 03:26  |  dana 07/06/07
  245.   lakshmi, addendum 03:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  246.   Dana: Nada Nada 03:38  |  Ronnie Wolman 07/06/07
  247.   1967 It Was No Holiday 03:40  |  Yosemite 07/06/07
  248.   I Think It Would Be Different Today ERSB 04:25  |  Bernie 07/06/07
  249.   Arab rejectionism the cause of the 1967 war & its consequences 04:34  |  PETER SM 07/06/07
  250.   YOU JEWS HAVE NO BIBLICAL CLAIMS TO THE LAND 04:51  |  Muhammud al-Swain 07/06/07
  251.   235Kath,Christianity has changed,because in some countries like 05:01  |  Lakshmi 07/06/07
  252.   #238, lakshmi 05:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  253.   Bradley Burston - Israel will be better off if you quite 05:06  |  dave 07/06/07
  254.   Dana #244 (re Cipora) 05:26  |  Tosefta 07/06/07
  255.   you mean 2006 05:32  |  abi zaid 07/06/07
  256.   #211 Tosefta 05:40  |  Smadar 07/06/07
  257.   Turn your face...so they can cut your neck 05:47  |  Roberto 07/06/07
  258.   judaism did not end....we--- christians are called... 06:14  |  maria 07/06/07
  259.   Avi, What Do You Think of this Changed 06:25  |  Bernie 07/06/07
  260.   BERNIE Non "muscular Jews" have been "properly discrimnated 08:13  |  PETERSM 07/06/07
  261.   Apparently he doesn`t know what Judaism is 08:13  |  Zephaniah 07/06/07
  262.   #237, dana 09:22  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  263.   #240, dana 09:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  264.   Next to Cipora #237 11:11  |  S 07/06/07
  265.   #250 11:45  |  Itsik 07/06/07
  266.   NO RELIGIOUS CLAIM BASIS BY JEWS 12:28  |  Noah 07/06/07
  267.   #264, S 1 13:23  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  268.   #264, S 2 13:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 07/06/07
  269.   # 250 They DO have Biblical claim. What claim do you have? 13:57  |  American 07/06/07
  270.   #8 indrajaya 15:37  |  Sol 07/06/07
  271.   lakshmi #227 16:14  |  Polybios 07/06/07
  272.   Stirring the Hornet`s Nest 16:32  |  Allan 07/06/07
  273.   Cipora #266 & 267 16:33  |  S 07/06/07
  274.   #250: misses point--all accept Israel ancient 16:37  |  Paul Freedman 07/06/07
  275.   blow up the mosque 16:41  |  ricardo lion 07/06/07
  276.   For dana; a general question 16:53  |  S 07/06/07
  277.   #102: Reply to abdel ezer re "thomas jackson`s conviction" 19:50  |  Thomas Jackson 07/06/07
  278.   #103: Reply to abdel ezer re "the antisemite thomas jackson" 20:43  |  Thomas Jackson 07/06/07
  279.   Cipora JK #262 - On Lobbies and lobby strengths 21:02  |  dana 07/06/07
  280.   Cipora JK #262 - On lobby strengths Part II 21:16  |  dana 07/06/07
  281.   #152: Reply to Cipora re advice about Talmudic interpretation 21:25  |  Thomas Jackson 07/06/07
  282.   Cipora JK #263 and petitio principii`s 21:28  |  dana 07/06/07
  283.   S #276 - On paying jobs and freebies 21:42  |  dana 07/06/07
  284.   S #226 - Freebies, part II 22:00  |  dana 07/06/07
  285.   S #226 - Freebies, part II 22:01  |  dana 07/06/07
  286.   Dana 22:24  |  American in NY 07/06/07
  287.   dana #283 & 284 22:43  |  S 07/06/07
  288.   "Holy Men" - Unholy Acts 23:42  |  Matthew A. Sawtell 07/06/07
  289.   To dana, S, Zeev, Tosefta, Cipora et al [confidential] 23:48  |  Thomas Jackson 07/06/07
  290.   dana 00:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  291.   Its about DEFENSABLE BORDERS! 01:18  |  Jeff 08/06/07
  292.   #7, Cipora. really? 01:33  |  observation 08/06/07
  293.   Et tu Bradley? 02:07  |  Bill 08/06/07
  294.   #275 : But Ricardo... 02:17  |  Bill 08/06/07
  295.   Civilians 02:23  |  Barry 08/06/07
  296.   Damage to Property not Damage to Life - Downward Slide began here 04:01  |  Ben Barzel 08/06/07
  297.   Cipora #288 - what exactly is that? 06:17  |  dana 08/06/07
  298.   S #264 - still on the topic of lobbies 06:31  |  dana 08/06/07
  299.   On the Talmud (Thomas Jackson #281; re Cipora) 06:34  |  Tosefta 08/06/07
  300.   dana 07:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  301.   dana, post script 07:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  302.   #297 "really?" REALLY!!! 08:50  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  303.   S #286 - very sorry to hear 08:53  |  dana 08/06/07
  304.   They Could Have Blown It But... 09:09  |  Yosemite 08/06/07
  305.   This is one opinion of many 09:23  |  Moises 08/06/07
  306.   #281, Thomas Jackson 09:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  307.   Tanks a lot dana #302 11:31  |  S 08/06/07
  308.   dana #298 11:57  |  S 08/06/07
  309.   Thou shall not kill 12:37  |  ScotGuy 08/06/07
  310.   good article 13:21  |  ben 08/06/07
  311.   "Lord, save us from those who preach death in Your name." 13:33  |  Sherman 08/06/07
  312.   #308, S 14:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  313.   #21 Judaism is no longer a religion 19:01  |  Not in my name-USA 08/06/07
  314.   American in NY #286 - More Aipac detail - Thanks 19:31  |  dana 08/06/07
  315.   Cipora JK #300 on number crunching 19:52  |  dana 08/06/07
  316.   More to Cipora re #312 comments 20:05  |  dana 08/06/07
  317.   Orthodox Opinion 20:38  |  Sol 08/06/07
  318.   Ask God forgivness ! 20:56  |  Nixo 08/06/07
  319.   Damage to Property and the Blowing up of the Mosque of Umar 21:52  |  Ben Barzel 08/06/07
  320.   Rabbi Goren (#`s 16 and 20) 22:31  |  Ben Barzel 08/06/07
  321.   #316, dana 23:01  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/06/07
  322.   Cipora - more number problems - let`s start over 00:48  |  dana 09/06/07
  323.   settlement enterprise & territories..a new Golden Calf, a god 00:51  |  Sherman 09/06/07
  324.   to#319, EXACTLY! 01:35  |  Scharker Yid 09/06/07
  325.   #321, dana 02:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/06/07
  326.   Bradley Burston a convert to Quakerism 03:36  |  Bill 09/06/07
  327.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #312 06:50  |  Tim R 09/06/07
  328.   #327, Tim R 08:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/06/07
  329.   Very true, Cipora and Tim R #`s 327, 328 09:30  |  S 09/06/07
  330.   Tim R #327 - Conspiracy theory? 09:48  |  dana 09/06/07
  331.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #328 Well, of Course They Would Say Anything 11:08  |  Tim R 09/06/07
  332.   ...magnificent gold-domed Mosque of Omar 13:59  |  William 09/06/07
  333.   Dana #330 Well Dana It`s a Free Country 14:59  |  Tim R 09/06/07
  334.   S #329 Re American in NY 15:15  |  Tim R 09/06/07
  335.   To another wandering Jew 22:26  |  a wandering Jew 09/06/07
  336.   Bradley Burston 23:03  |  Bill 09/06/07
  337.   VIVA MANDELA VIVA 23:17  |  mohammed 09/06/07
  338.   #330, dana 00:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  339.   #329, S 00:14  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  340.   Nik Miller #45 Excellent Post 03:41  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  341.   #340, Tim R 1 05:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  342.   #340, Tim R 2 05:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  343.   Cipora JK # 338 - on picking and choosing numbers 05:19  |  dana 10/06/07
  344.   #340, Tim R 3 05:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  345.   Lakshmi #251: Christianity and the Great Spirit 05:42  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  346.   Tim R , Cipora, S, others interested in reference 05:43  |  dana 10/06/07
  347.   dana #280: Lobbies 05:53  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  348.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #328: War on Israel, War on Judaism 06:02  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  349.   Dana: Salon Article 06:24  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  350.   Cipora Julianna Kohn: Meshal`s Speech 06:30  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  351.   #347, CHGODMK 06:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  352.   CHGODMK #347 - on OIl vs AIPAC - no disagreement 07:15  |  dana 10/06/07
  353.   #350, Tim R 07:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  354.   CHGODMK #349 - useful comment? 07:36  |  dana 10/06/07
  355.   Dana #346 Anti Israel Lobby Groups 08:03  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  356.   Cipora Julianna Kohn 08:11  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  357.   Dana #346 One Might Ask: What Are The Benefits to The USA For Pt1 09:10  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  358.   Tim R #355 09:15  |  S 10/06/07
  359.   Dana #346 Part 2 09:15  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  360.   Dana #346 And What Does The USA Give and Get From The Arabs? Pt1 09:59  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  361.   Dana, good morning 10:08  |  S 10/06/07
  362.   S #358 Thanks, Hang in there and keep trying 10:15  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  363.   So, Dana, What I want to Know is this: 12:16  |  Tim R 10/06/07
  364.   Tim R #355 - Ok, I`ll take a crack at this - Part I 12:37  |  dana 10/06/07
  365.   Orthodox Settlers 12:43  |  Yaakov 10/06/07
  366.   Tim R #355 - other lobbies - part Ii 12:48  |  dana 10/06/07
  367.   Burston violates Haaretz rules 12:48  |  Sidney 10/06/07
  368.   Tim R #355 - your argument is simplistic 12:57  |  dana 10/06/07
  369.   Tim R #355 - final comment 13:07  |  dana 10/06/07
  370.   Cipora #338 et al - good question and here are top 15 answers 13:53  |  dana 10/06/07
  371.   dana #352 15:17  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  372.   dana #354: "Cheap Shots" 15:25  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  373.   dana #369 and 370 15:43  |  S 10/06/07
  374.   Burston`s burn-out 16:17  |  Wendy 10/06/07
  375.   Dana: Ideologues 17:33  |  CHGODMK 10/06/07
  376.   #352, dana 23:50  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 10/06/07
  377.   #370: To dana re the great AIPAC debate with CJK, CHGODMK p. 1 00:48  |  Thomas Jackson 11/06/07
  378.   #370: To dana re the great AIPAC debate with CJK, CHGODMK p. 2 00:57  |  Thomas Jackson 11/06/07
  379.   #370: To dana re the great AIPAC debate with CJK, CHGODMK p. 3 01:04  |  Thomas Jackson 11/06/07
  380.   #370: To dana re the great AIPAC debate with CJK, CHGODMK p. 4 01:13  |  Thomas Jackson 11/06/07
  381.   Dana #364 Now, Who Is Being Simplistic? 01:56  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  382.   Dana #364 Partial List of Anti Israel Lobby Groups 02:10  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  383.   CHGODMK #372 - correcting the record - part 1 02:16  |  dana 11/06/07
  384.   Dana #366 02:25  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  385.   Dana #368 02:45  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  386.   Thomas Jackson #376: Or is it alias American in NY? 02:56  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  387.   good article, horrible title 03:03  |  sarah 11/06/07
  388.   Thomas Jackson #376 - you`re back!! none too soon, too 03:04  |  dana 11/06/07
  389.   Dana #369 What About World Hunger Dana? 03:08  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  390.   Dana: Right-wingers and Vitriol 03:47  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  391.   Dana: Pot Shots and Anti-Jewish One-Sidedness 03:54  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  392.   Tim R #357, 359 - re benefits to the US, or? (Part I) 05:36  |  dana 11/06/07
  393.   Tim R #357, 359 - re benefits to the US, or? (Part II) 05:57  |  dana 11/06/07
  394.   Tim R #360 - re benefits to US from arabs 06:29  |  dana 11/06/07
  395.   Dana #392 "Buying!!!" The Good Will Of The Muslim World.. 07:06  |  Tim R 11/06/07
  396.   Lord, save us from those who preach death in Your name. 07:19  |  Sarah 11/06/07
  397.   Dana: China is Forcing Resettlement of Tibetan Herders 07:53  |  CHGODMK 11/06/07
  398.   S # 361 On "going with the flow" principle (part I) 08:16  |  dana 11/06/07
  399.   jews and russians 08:28  |  wej 11/06/07
  400.   dana 08:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/06/07
  401.   Israel is the greatest offender of human rights ever 08:32  |  Shai 11/06/07
  402.   S # 361 Obediently responding to remaining questions (part II) 08:41  |  dana 11/06/07
  403.   Tim R - Please check also answers to S 08:55  |  dana 11/06/07
  404.   dana AIPAC erudition III 10:29  |  S 11/06/07
  405.   dana, post script 11:01  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/06/07
  406.   Dana #369 "They Do It Too Well" 11:03  |  Tim R 11/06/07