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The Arabs will never forgive us
By Bradley Burston

Reader response of the week:

My biggest sadness is that very few people learnt from our terrible past and I am very angry at Israel for repeating so many of our mistakes. For years I polished your halo - but you lost it quite a while ago.

You should ask yourself one question - will the Palestinians ever forgive you?

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Linda, Frankfurt

Author's note: This is one of a number of reader responses to Confessions of a anti-German racist. It asks an honest question, couched in an odious implication. The honest question will be addressed here. The suggestion that Israel is doing to the Palestinians what the Nazis did to the Jews, will have to wait until next week.

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The Palestinians will never forgive us. Not only those who are alive today, but their children will despise us until their dying day, and theirs and theirs. They will revile us for having occupied them, exploited them, shelled them, and bombed them, and for having robbed them of their dignity and their land.

The hatred is such that it will continue even if we end the occupation. They will hate us, rightly or wrongly, for robbing them of their ability to govern themselves, for undermining their ability to persuade others of their morality of their cause, for creating the conditions for rule by gangs, fragmentation of the family, loss of national purpose and memory. Unto the 10th generation and beyond, we will serve the Palestinian national imagination as Pharoah and Amalek, Hitler and Chmielnitzli, Titus and Tomas de Torquemada.

Neither will the Lebanese ever forgive us. Not for the refugees our Christian allies murdered a quarter century ago in the Sabra and Shatilla camps in West Beirut, and not for the civilians our fighter bombers and artillerymen killed last summer in apartment blocks in the south of the city.

The Syrians, too, bear their scars and their permanent grudges. Even many those with whom we have made peace, in Egypt and Jordan, still hate us and are not about to stop.

The Arabs will never forgive us. Nor we them.

There is no forgiving the killing of a child. There is no forgiving the firing of the rocket that kills a pregnant woman, a loving great-grandfather, a toddler in her crib. There is no forgiving the stupidity of this endless, fruitless war.

On the face of it, the future is a lock: No peace, no hope, no way out.

And yet, if you look deeper, there are signs pointing to a quiet trend that may save us all: We are losing our belief in war.

Not our belief in the inevitability of war. Perhaps the only thing that can save us from a new Lebanon war this summer is the universal belief that such a war is unavoidable.

Neither have we lost our will to fight. The peoples of the Middle East have been feisty and feud-happy since well before the time of their Father Abraham, and there are no signs that is about to change.

What has changed, is our belief in war as a solution to issues we as a society to not want to address candidly by other means. We want war to set borders, to teach foes lessons, to teach youth civics, to free captives, to right historic wrongs - to fix, that is, what we ourselves hate about our lives and cannot fathom how to remedy nor how to forgive.

Even before it was clear that the Lebanon conflict was going irrevocably badly, there was someting pathetic in Ehud Olmert's description of why he made the decision to go to war.

"I'll surprise you," Olmert told AP in early August.

"I genuinely believe that the outcome of the present [conflict] and the emergence of a new order that will provide more stability and will defeat the forces of terror, will help create the necessary environment that will allow me ... to create a new momentum between us and the Palestinians."

The surprise, of course, was on Olmert.

But it was on Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah as well. There is something no less pathetic, something quietly desperate about Nasrallah's need to quote from the Zionist entity's Winograd war probe report in order to prove to his fellow Lebanese that the war was a victory for Lebanon and not ? as an increasing number of Lebanese observers are concluding, a calamity.

"It is regretful that we, the Arab world and Lebanon, are waiting for an Israeli commission to settle this dispute for us and to tell us 'Seriously, you have won and we [Israelis] were defeated,"' Nasrallah said this week.

Edmond Saab, editor-in-chief of the Lebanese An-Nahar daily, reached a different conclusion. He urged for a state inquiry into Hezbollah's accountability for the war and the devastation the conflict caused in Lebanon. "An investigation of a military and legal nature is an appropriate measure," Saab wrote. "We must investigate whether Hezbollah erred in miscalculating the Israeli retaliation."

There is something pathetic, as well, in the shuck and jive of the Hamas organization, once the most disciplined and single-minded of all Palestinian groups pursuing the armed struggle. Acutely tuned to Palestinian public opinion, Hamas at this point cannot even manage to have a Mickey Mouse-like figure preach war against Israel.

Faced with a war-jaded public, Hamas has found itself unable to return to full-scale conflict as a means to an end. Even the end has become muddled. Once the goal was clear-cut - zero-tolerance for a Jewish state and wholehearted endorsement of its elimination by force.

Now Hamas leaders including Damascus-based Khaled Meshal take turns trooping before Western and Arab cameras to announce that a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza could co-exist with a Jewish state in pre-1967 Israel, for an indeterminate amount of time, perhaps exceeding 60 years.

So milquetoast has the message become, and so close to a tacit recognition of Israel, that Al-Qaida has called to complain. "Where is revenge, where are the bombs, where is the fire?" Abu Yahya al-Libi, an al-Qaida leader, said in a recent Internet statement addressed to Hamas, accusing the movement of "betraying its own martyrs and God."

"Hamas has abandoned jihad for politics. It has betrayed its youths. Its main activity is politics. Since its decision to go down the path of politics, Hamas has begun to descend on a downhill slope. They betrayed the dreams of their young fighters and they stabbed them in the back," al-Libi said.

After seven years of disastrous, inconclusive war in the territories and a disastrous, inconclusive summer in Lebanon, what we have learned, Arab and Jew, is this: Both sides cannot win a war, but both sides can lose one.

We are very slow, Arab and Jew, but we are learning, all of us, disenchanted Olmert voter, disenfranchised Peretz voter, disgruntled Haniyeh voter, dismayed and disadvantaged Nasrallah voter. The voters were promised that war would do the trick, turn the tide, eliminate the enemy, pave the path to a golden tomorrow.

Now we clearly have our doubts. Thank God.

Doubt is the great enemy of war. That is why, when going to war, we prefer that the decision, the determination, be unequivocal, fully beyond the shadow of a self-doubt. As T.S. Eliot wrote in 1925, seven years after the worst war the world had ever seen, "Between the idea and the reality, between the motion and the act, falls the shadow.

Doubt - the quality we most fervently hate, the trait that scares us to death, the weakness we cannot forgive - may turn out to be our salvation.

This is the way the war ends, not with a bang but a shadow.

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  2.   Hamas is Pathetic? 10:20  |  Marilyn 11/05/07
  3.   ARAB HATRED FOR JEWS IS CENTURIES OLD 10:22  |  METHUSALEH 11/05/07
  4.   why should the Palestinians forgive you? 10:39  |  Khalid 11/05/07
  5.   Remembrance and Forgiveness 10:51  |  FOX 11/05/07
  6.   who needs to forgive ? 10:51  |  Naim S. Mahlab 11/05/07
  7.   future dark ´cause of policy 10:52  |  hank rich 11/05/07
  8.   Doubt is indeed war`s worst enemy 10:56  |  Tzfonit 11/05/07
  9.   Kultur 10:57  |  FOX 11/05/07
  10.   ANOTHER REHASH , JORDAN FOR ARABS IS THE ONLY VIABLE ANSWER!! 10:58  |  paul harris 11/05/07
  11.   Will we ever forgive them? 11:13  |  Joseph 11/05/07
  12.   We can forgive each other 11:17  |  Ben Azai 11/05/07
  13.   The Arabs Will Never Forgive Us. 11:17  |  Martin Philip 11/05/07
  14.   linda`s post 11:26  |  saul a. readner 11/05/07
  15.   They will not only never forget BUT ... 11:41  |  spyguy 11/05/07
  16.   If Israelis have forgiven Germans 11:50  |  Zev 11/05/07
  17.   BEN-GURION SAID THIS TO GOLDMAN 11:53  |  indrajaya 11/05/07
  18.   Khalid, Forgive Yourself 11:55  |  FOX 11/05/07
  19.   #9Paul Harris. That is like saying, Europoe for... 11:57  |  Maureen Ann 11/05/07
  20.   Not a very good article 12:05  |  Seth 11/05/07
  21.   only some prophets can make it 12:06  |  arab 11/05/07
  22.   Forgiveness in New jersey 12:11  |  FOX 11/05/07
  23.   Indrajaya, do you know what greater Israel is? 12:11  |  Allon 11/05/07
  24.   marilyn 12:14  |  Linichka 11/05/07
  25.   Indrajaya @ 1 12:44  |  ChanahS 11/05/07
  26.   For the future. 12:44  |  cfs 11/05/07
  27.   Who needs them to forgive us! We did nothing wrong 12:57  |  Steven 11/05/07
  28.   How can one forgive, if there is no apology first? 13:01  |  Alicia 11/05/07
  29.   Indirajaya #16 13:02  |  Tim R 11/05/07
  30.   Mr Burston , thanks for a brilliant article again 13:04  |  Nina 11/05/07
  31.   Forgiveness seems so unfair, but then forgiveness has its rewards 13:05  |  Virginia 11/05/07
  32.   Sometimes we can`t forgive on our own. Part of the plan? 13:11  |  Virginia 11/05/07
  33.   Not Forgiveness - But Recognition 13:14  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 11/05/07
  34.   Really, I am vicious? 13:21  |  Marilyn 11/05/07
  35.   A Group Hug Won`t Solve the Situation 13:26  |  Klaudia 11/05/07
  36.   Marilyn so your family are native to Australia? 13:37  |  Steven 11/05/07
  37.   Stop the killing? Are you crazy!! 13:40  |  Killing Heidi 11/05/07
  38.   "Arabs will never forgive us" -- makes me so sad!! 13:45  |  Scientist 11/05/07
  39.   Reality Bites 13:47  |  Malaysian 11/05/07
  40.   to Naim the Iraqi Jews 13:49  |  Khalid 11/05/07
  41.   Paul Harris? Isn`t Jordan Eastern Eretz Yisrael, stupid? 13:50  |  Gush Emunim 11/05/07
  42.   Forget forgiveness? Herein the victory lies. 13:54  |  Virginia 11/05/07
  43.   Fox and Forgiveness 14:00  |  Peter 11/05/07
  44.   Consider the dream, and be there for the Hug of Jerusalem!!! 14:03  |  A point of focus 11/05/07
  45.   Bradley As Sartre 14:04  |  Yoram 11/05/07
  46.   marily no. 34 14:06  |  saul a. readner 11/05/07
  47.   Not Forgiveness - But Recognition 14:09  |  Bader S Abu-Ghosh 11/05/07
  48.   Bradley. A wonderful and beautiful article! Shalom uvracha! 14:10  |  Toronto`s Finest 11/05/07
  49.   TSFONIT #8 14:11  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  50.   Why? 14:12  |  Laura 11/05/07
  51.   War weariness and the Israeli military junta 14:15  |  Clickfool 11/05/07
  52.   Tension is acceptable, war is not 14:26  |  Richard Witty 11/05/07
  53.   Beyond the backyard 14:30  |  Clickfool 11/05/07
  54.   More Peace-Crap Delusions 14:34  |  Terry 11/05/07
  55.   #29, TIM R 14:38  |  indrajaya 11/05/07
  56.   Declare war a crime 14:41  |  Dav 11/05/07
  57.   Marilyn #34 14:41  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  58.   #41 yes gush YOU ARE CORRECT BUT DO YOU WANT 14:49  |  paul harris 11/05/07
  59.   With people like Khalid, war is inevitable 14:52  |  The Equalizer 11/05/07
  60.   Well spoken "Khalid" 15:02  |  Phillies Wright 11/05/07
  61.   Peter in Berlin #43 15:08  |  FOX 11/05/07
  62.   Jews never forgave Germans, why Palestinians should forgive Jews 15:15  |  El-birawi 11/05/07
  63.   Utopia X Reality 15:22  |  Alberto Cohen 11/05/07
  64.   BB and Forgiveness Part1 15:24  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  65.   Hey Gabe! Why don`t you let us know where you are? 15:28  |  Thomas Jackson 11/05/07
  66.   Marylyn et al 15:29  |  Avrum 11/05/07
  67.   Peter # 43 15:30  |  ChanahS 11/05/07
  68.   Bradley.. You need to earn our forgiveness 15:31  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 11/05/07
  69.   BB and Forgiveness Part2 15:31  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  70.   39 Malaysian, you are really a true Malaysian 15:32  |  Tamir Gaza 11/05/07
  71.   #51 and 53: Excellent thoughts, Clickfool! Keep it coming. 15:34  |  Thomas Jackson 11/05/07
  72.   marilyn: re venom 15:39  |  Linichka 11/05/07
  73.   Forgiveness is in our destiny 15:39  |  Ibrahim 11/05/07
  74.   Marilyn No.2 15:43  |  Archie 11/05/07
  75.   Marilyn 15:54  |  Lynn 11/05/07
  76.   Listen, the Christian world never "forgave" the Jews... 15:54  |  bat yam 11/05/07
  77.   forgive? 16:03  |  not brainwashed 11/05/07
  78.   Gush Emunim (Post No. 41) 16:10  |  Johnny Weintraub 11/05/07
  79.   41 16:13  |  incognito 11/05/07
  80.   olive branch; Hello Terry 16:17  |  albert paul ortiz 11/05/07
  81.   Who Cares 16:17  |  Danite 11/05/07
  82.   Khalid 16:20  |  Danite 11/05/07
  83.   When Feiglin becomes PM, "P" people will be deleted from history 16:21  |  Manhigut Yehudit 11/05/07
  84.   Clickfool 16:23  |  Danite 11/05/07
  85.   The day that the Arabs blame themselves a bit 16:25  |  Shalom Freedman 11/05/07
  86.   We May Have Lost Our Will To Fight BUT They Haven`t 16:26  |  Jane 11/05/07
  87.   Marilyn #34 16:34  |  Danite 11/05/07
  88.   Hatred for 10 generations? It barely lasted 10 years in Europe 16:44  |  newageblues 11/05/07
  89.   Not that I was in the mood for a bad joke, but 16:46  |  fmbg 11/05/07
  90.   The Issue Is Not Will They Forgive US 16:53  |  Me 11/05/07
  91.   The Idea Is Easy, The Reality Is Not. 17:03  |  Tony Anthony 11/05/07
  92.   Oh I Don`t Know 17:10  |  Yosemite 11/05/07
  93.   Islam and forgiveness 17:11  |  Pilly 11/05/07
  94.   Khalid # 40 The Glory of Islam 17:11  |  Jeff Northridge 11/05/07
  95.   I AM ANTI-SEMITIC WHEN I READ METHUSALEH 17:12  |  Riff 11/05/07
  96.   #69 17:15  |  Chris Linthwaite 11/05/07
  97.   Marilyn Understands How The Nazis Felt 17:22  |  Dyinglikeflies 11/05/07
  98.   TO Khalid 17:22  |  Avigdor 11/05/07
  99.   Compromizes are not Moslem idealigy 17:34  |  TOMY 11/05/07
  100.   forgiveness 17:35  |  king k 11/05/07
  101.   Khalid 17:42  |  Danite 11/05/07
  102.   #94 Jeff Northridge: Spot On 17:48  |  Maynard 11/05/07
  103.   nothing is close the holaucast 17:53  |  michael 11/05/07
  104.   #94 Jeff..You really need to learn history 17:56  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 11/05/07
  105.   To 97 Re marilyn 17:57  |  Danite 11/05/07
  106.   Khalid runs away 17:58  |  Danite 11/05/07
  107.   Abandon your principles for peace 17:58  |  W 11/05/07
  108.   Will the Arabs Ever Leave The Stone Age? 18:12  |  Benjamin Bernstein 11/05/07
  109.   #104 abu and now with all that past glory 18:14  |  andrew 11/05/07
  110.   Islam`s enrichment of Buddhist civilization 18:23  |  Pilly 11/05/07
  111.   # 68: Well Spoken Abu Firas Al Qudsi 18:31  |  Cocktail Arab 11/05/07
  112.   # 90 Me.The Issue Is Not Will They Forgive US 18:41  |  Kath` 11/05/07
  113.   Does the Question make Sense? 18:48  |  Michel 11/05/07
  114.   Actually, yes, they will forgive. 19:01  |  Heinz 11/05/07
  115.   Abu Firas Al Qudsi # 104 That`s Not What You Asked 19:02  |  Jeff Northridge 11/05/07
  116.   Burston`s ridicuous question 19:11  |  Michael Greenberg 11/05/07
  117.   GARBAGE! 19:13  |  CHGODMK 11/05/07
  118.   I AM NOT A PENITENT 19:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/05/07
  119.   For Manhigut Yehudit # 83 19:16  |  Clickfool 11/05/07
  120.   We know the truth 19:20  |  zapiz 11/05/07
  121.   Give it time 19:21  |  Rick 11/05/07
  122.   Abu Firas al Qudsi 19:24  |  Another Jew 11/05/07
  123.   #104, Enlighten us Oh wise one 19:25  |  Sidney 11/05/07
  124.   They will forgive but never forget 19:27  |  Saul 11/05/07
  125.   #2, Dear stupid, Marilyn 19:28  |  Sidney 11/05/07
  126.   Benjamin Bernstein -No, Stone is an indispensable part of life! 19:30  |  Caveman 11/05/07
  127.   T Jackson of Texas 19:39  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  128.   #49 Gabe1 19:43  |  Boycott 11/05/07
  129.   To 76, Who Needs Forgiveness 19:47  |  Dyinglikeflies 11/05/07
  130.   Jeff..Please try again 19:49  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 11/05/07
  131.   Marilyn,Khaid,El-Birawi 20:17  |  io 11/05/07
  132.   Danite #101, you are incorrect...please try harder 20:30  |  Ibrahim 11/05/07
  133.   Arab forgiveness 20:30  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/05/07
  134.   No forgiveness, #62 El-birawi, etc. 20:48  |  JW 11/05/07
  135.   abu firas al kudsi, no. 68 20:59  |  saul a. readner 11/05/07
  136.   Ibrahim 20:59  |  Danite 11/05/07
  137.   Clickfool runs and runs 21:00  |  Danite 11/05/07
  138.   As a caveman I find the comparisons with Arabs repulsive! 21:10  |  Caveman 11/05/07
  139.   cocktail arab, no. 111 21:11  |  saul a. readner 11/05/07
  140.   Marylin vs. the members of the tribe 21:12  |  Michael N 11/05/07
  141.   Ibrahim 21:26  |  ODP 11/05/07
  142.   Another article by the King of plegiartism and degeneration 21:35  |  Sal 11/05/07
  143.   CHGODMK re Garbage 21:41  |  GABE! 11/05/07
  144.   The Palestinian "Mandela" has a name..... 21:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/05/07
  145.   And who should forgive you in return? 21:48  |  Marioam 11/05/07
  146.   Hey Jane in Florida 21:50  |  tad 11/05/07
  147.   Swiss (Dino) - Fool here! 22:06  |  Fool 11/05/07
  148.   the arabs will never forgive us 22:06  |  martin list, m.d. 11/05/07
  149.   Danite 22:19  |  Mookie 11/05/07
  150.   We Already Know How The World Will End 22:19  |  Yosemite 11/05/07
  151.   More Silly Moral Equivalency 22:25  |  Tod Zuckerman 11/05/07
  152.   #143 Gabe1 22:28  |  Boycott 11/05/07
  153.   teri 22:28  |  utagawa 11/05/07
  154.   Ibrahim #73 22:30  |  Polybios 11/05/07
  155.   terri 22:30  |  utagawa 11/05/07
  156.   Not just in South Beirut 22:31  |  Jonah 11/05/07
  157.   Khalid`s 1000 and 1 hates 22:33  |  Stan 11/05/07
  158.   138caveman. You made me laugh. It`s pitiful but true. 22:34  |  TRUTH IS BEAUTY 11/05/07
  159.   el birawi 22:35  |  utagawa 11/05/07
  160.   How we can Forgive??? 22:40  |  Freedom Fighter 11/05/07
  161.   #143, Gabe1 22:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/05/07
  162.   Arabs should ask for my forgiveness! 22:54  |  mickey mouse-farfur 11/05/07
  163.   DON"T WORRY about.... 23:00  |  Webster 11/05/07
  164.   Bradley: You`re Pathetic & Beneath Contempt 23:12  |  massaraksh 11/05/07
  165.   A bigger worry for Zionists. Arabs will never forget Palestine 23:13  |  Joe 11/05/07
  166.   Haaretz good grief already 23:23  |  Danite 11/05/07
  167.   Ibrahim`s question 23:24  |  Laura 11/05/07
  168.   Haaretz 23:24  |  danite 11/05/07
  169.   More sensationalistic rubbish 23:29  |  Adrian de Klerk 11/05/07
  170.   Dana 23:43  |  American in NY 11/05/07
  171.   FOX and JEFF NORTHRIDGE,both wrong in your assessment about the 23:44  |  Lakhshmi 11/05/07
  172.   Never! 23:48  |  Stranger 11/05/07
  173.   The world of the dark forces 00:05  |  Brod 12/05/07
  174.   Abu Firas Al Qudsi # 130 I`ll Try Again 00:07  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  175.   to Marilyn#2 00:09  |  Ilya 12/05/07
  176.   Is that a prerequsite to your forgiving them? 00:10  |  curious 12/05/07
  177.   BRADLEY, from Israel`s point of view the Lebanon war ended not 00:19  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  178.   #150, Joe 00:21  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  179.   Eliot was right when he wrote 00:34  |  Karl 12/05/07
  180.   Cipora and Gabe 00:38  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  181.   I AM AMAZED at the hatred in these posts towards the Palestinians 00:40  |  Vijaya 12/05/07
  182.   Marilyn...you are a fool 00:40  |  Dan 12/05/07
  183.   to Marilyn 00:43  |  MLK 12/05/07
  184.   Cipora JK 00:46  |  Lynn 12/05/07
  185.   RIFF RAFF TO METHUSALEH 00:48  |  METHUSALEH 12/05/07
  186.   Moogie 00:48  |  Danite 12/05/07
  187.   Cipora Shabat Shalom 00:49  |  Danite 12/05/07
  188.   Two to Tango 00:52  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  189.   ticking clock 00:52  |  Prophet Barabus 12/05/07
  190.   Freedom Fighter # 155 No One Is Seeking Your Forgiveness 00:55  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  191.   @ 53 Yes, Clicky got it ! 00:55  |  Karl 12/05/07
  192.   Tad-I Beg to Differ 00:56  |  Jane 12/05/07
  193.   #177, lakshmi: Hamas efficiency 00:59  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  194.   # 147 Fool 01:06  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  195.   Ibrahim & Danite 01:07  |  Jane 12/05/07
  196.   I AGREE 01:08  |  ERICA COHEN 12/05/07
  197.   #178 Cipora Julianna Kohn 01:09  |  Joe 12/05/07
  198.   #101 Danite. About inheriting from other people. 01:10  |  Maureen Ann 12/05/07
  199.   normal jews don`t care 01:14  |  mosha 12/05/07
  200.   101MAYNARD,check my post 171 to Jeff N. 01:23  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  201.   abu firas 01:23  |  sweis Melbourne 12/05/07
  202.   indrajaya#1..dreamers of G`TER ISRAEL has 01:23  |  Al Walid 12/05/07
  203.   abu firas 01:23  |  sweis Melbourne 12/05/07
  204.   to bat yam 76 My dear, you are talking about the... 01:24  |  Karl 12/05/07
  205.   joe #165 01:26  |  schafe82 12/05/07
  206.   MARYLIN,why don`t you tell these clowns of the progress made in 01:28  |  sara 12/05/07
  207.   152 Boycott - You are wrong 01:31  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  208.   American in NY #170 01:32  |  dana 12/05/07
  209.   #171 Lakshmi on Fox and Jeff Northridge 01:39  |  maoriboy 12/05/07
  210.   American in NY #170 01:41  |  dana 12/05/07
  211.   Shabbat Shalom Gabe and Cipora! 01:45  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  212.   or better... 01:46  |  misha 12/05/07
  213.   #189, "a taste of Arab zeal and determination" 01:50  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  214.   For now, fear is more important than forgiveness 01:57  |  Jason 12/05/07
  215.   BOYCOTT #152 02:02  |  GABE! 12/05/07
  216.   Lakhshmi # 171 The Exception Which Proves The Rule 02:06  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  217.   Schafe: Want a Prediction??????? 02:09  |  Ronnie Wolman 12/05/07
  218.   Joe #165 - hearts vs brains 02:18  |  dana 12/05/07
  219.   Marylin the settler on stolen Aborigine land accuses Israel! 02:21  |  left wing guy 12/05/07
  220.   #187, Danite 02:23  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  221.   193CIPORA, that`s stereotyping and you know that 02:23  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  222.   #213-huh? 02:27  |  Prophet Barabus 12/05/07
  223.   #184, Lynn 02:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  224.   # 165 Ramallah Joe. PROVIDING YOUR HEART IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE... 02:32  |  Kath` 12/05/07
  225.   Not without critical self-examination 02:34  |  Not a Dhimmi no more 12/05/07
  226.   #216, Jeff Northridge 02:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  227.   #178 you want to talk about "killing fields" 02:41  |  Joe 12/05/07
  228.   Next year in Jerusalem, Palestine 02:46  |  Apropo 12/05/07
  229.   Lebanon "rope-a-dope" 03:03  |  SNURDLY 12/05/07
  230.   Kath - One more post coming right up 03:04  |  dana 12/05/07
  231.   Dana 03:08  |  American in NY 12/05/07
  232.   ABU FIRAS AL QUDS,JN is a professional Muslim hater (174).He is 03:09  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  233.   arab honor - what? 03:11  |  misha 12/05/07
  234.   #227, Joe 03:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/05/07
  235.   #218 dana, take my advise, stick to tennis 03:24  |  Joe 12/05/07
  236.   216JEFF N. I am going to hold my nose and respond to your post 03:34  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  237.   Perhaps hate cannot end... 03:46  |  Fortuna Benmayor 12/05/07
  238.   Arabs will ask Jews to forgive them 03:47  |  Shlomo from Tel Aviv 12/05/07
  239.   Burston has lost it 03:52  |  Connie 12/05/07
  240.   !92 Jane - - You are naive! 04:00  |  tad 12/05/07
  241.   # 227 Ramalah Joe. "Killing Fields" 04:13  |  Kath` 12/05/07
  242.   I will forgive you if you move back to Belarus 04:15  |  Amin Nusseibeh 12/05/07
  243.   #235 joe - that`s a bit nihilistic, no? 04:26  |  dana 12/05/07
  244.   MUSLIM (AND ARAB) HEARTS ARE BIG ENOUGH TO FORGIVE 04:39  |  Mohamed MALLECK 12/05/07
  245.   Arabs will never forgive each other. 04:41  |  Akram Zekaria 12/05/07
  246.   Burston and Guilt 04:45  |  Horacio 12/05/07
  247.   to Lakshmi#236 04:46  |  Ilya 12/05/07
  248.   Apropo dream !!! 04:46  |  Horacio 12/05/07
  249.   Joe from Ramallah #165 04:46  |  GABE! 12/05/07
  250.   #181 Vijaya.Don`t be amazed! Hatred of Arabs is quite normal here 04:53  |  Toronto`s Finest 12/05/07
  251.   "Prophet" Barabus 04:57  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  252.   #165 Joe.Thanks! A very nice, realistic appraisal. 04:59  |  Toronto`s Finest 12/05/07
  253.   Silly emotional tripe 05:01  |  Voice of Reason 12/05/07
  254.   To Joe #227 05:03  |  dovvod 12/05/07
  255.   #51 and #53 Clickfool, excellent posts! 05:12  |  Ben Alofs 12/05/07
  256.   bat yam..... christians 05:12  |  maria 12/05/07
  257.   chanahs...well said. 05:19  |  maria 12/05/07
  258.   To Laura, Israelis dehumanize Palestinians as well 05:20  |  david 12/05/07
  259.   Ibrahim, I am still waiting 05:21  |  david 12/05/07
  260.   @69, gabe, they can kiss my ass too 05:27  |  vladimir 12/05/07
  261.   wrong question wrong answer. we can forgive but must not fool our 05:27  |  ralph 12/05/07
  262.   Forgiveness 05:28  |  Mark Bernadiner 12/05/07
  263.   bravo 05:30  |  misha 12/05/07
  264.   @72, linichka 05:33  |  vladimir 12/05/07
  265.   Maureen Anne oh please already 05:40  |  Danite 12/05/07
  266.   Lakshmi221 05:46  |  Mark 12/05/07
  267.   Very Sadly, The Essence Of This Article Is Correct 05:51  |  Eli 12/05/07
  268.   One land, one man, one vote... 05:53  |  european 12/05/07
  269.   # 238 You are right. And the sooner the better!!! 06:15  |  I`ve seen it already 12/05/07
  270.   Connie: You Don`t Seem to Be Consumed by Self-Hatred... 06:22  |  massaraksh 12/05/07
  271.   Iakshmi # 236 Sorry To You Too 06:58  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  272.   Joe #227 Did you forget 9/11? America did not start it with Iraq 06:58  |  Virginia 12/05/07
  273.   40Khalid The worst mass murders in History were in India 07:31  |  Michigan 12/05/07
  274.   Israel`s offer to the Palestinians 08:25  |  dovvod 12/05/07
  275.   Dear Marilyn 08:30  |  Carol 12/05/07
  276.   Amin Nusseiba 08:35  |  sweis Melbourne 12/05/07
  277.   Forgiveness 08:40  |  sweis Melbourne 12/05/07
  278.   Responding to Khalid 08:43  |  dovvod 12/05/07
  279.   where were you people educated? 08:51  |  Daniel 12/05/07
  280.   where were you people educated? 09:04  |  Daniel 12/05/07
  281.   TO NO 273 MICHIGUN 09:51  |  asad 12/05/07
  282.   Bradley`s "We are losing our belief in war" is the point. 10:06  |  S 12/05/07
  283.   european, no. 268, part 1 10:21  |  saul a. readner 12/05/07
  284.   Arab forgiveness 10:24  |  Realist 12/05/07
  285.   european, no. 268 - part 2 10:25  |  saul a. readner 12/05/07
  286.   Narilyn, Maureen et al. (to Danite) 10:38  |  Dyinglikeflies 12/05/07
  287.   Be ashamed! 10:55  |  Martin Philip 12/05/07
  288.   Jews chased from arab Lands Don`t Hate Arabs 11:30  |  Semsem 12/05/07
  289.   100 million Hindus? 12:18  |  Nico de Lange 12/05/07
  290.   Semsem, there is no such a thing as Jewish 12:23  |  Naim 12/05/07
  291.   INDRAJAYA..Ben Gurion was saying what Arabs think. 12:37  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  292.   I just read about Al-Manar. As long this.... 12:45  |  Karl 12/05/07
  293.   You didn`t give them much reason to forgive, now did you... 13:04  |  John 12/05/07
  294.   # 188 CHGODMK "Innocent" Israel, Frankenstein and other..... 13:31  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  295.   Forgive us?they cannot forgive their OWN children.Honour killing 13:44  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  296.   Naim.Where is your proof for your statement about Iraq.?Read 14:13  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  297.   NICO DE LANGE,100m.Hindus were not killed 14:19  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  298.   You are PATHETIC Bradley 14:26  |  b`galil 12/05/07
  299.   Amin Nusseibeh - open a history book 14:41  |  b`galil 12/05/07
  300.   Dino #294 14:42  |  S 12/05/07
  301.   Naim - Never was a massacre at Deir Yassin 14:46  |  b`galil 12/05/07
  302.   271JEFF N.the Taj Mahal belongs to the 14:47  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  303.   Linda in Frankfurt 14:50  |  rich 12/05/07
  304.   266MARK,agreed, and I think that 14:54  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  305.   Indraya 14:55  |  rich 12/05/07
  306.   267ELI,your sanitized view of the conflict 15:03  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  307.   # 178 Joe, America is not leaving Iraq because of Arab zeal 15:05  |  The Equlaizer 12/05/07
  308.   250TORONTO`s FINEST,greetings! 15:09  |  Vijaya 12/05/07
  309.   john, no. 293 15:11  |  saul a. readner 12/05/07
  310.   Ilya the many points that you raise 15:19  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  311.   273MICHIGAN,your stats are erroneous 15:26  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  312.   #6 Your comment is EXACTLY what caused.. 15:37  |  John Allen 12/05/07
  313.   naim 15:43  |  rich 12/05/07
  314.   #3 Agree totally, exactly my thoughts 15:45  |  Garrick 12/05/07
  315.   The Smell of Stale Swiss Cheese 15:57  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  316.   # 301 to Naim 15:58  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  317.   CHGODMK #251 15:58  |  Danite 12/05/07
  318.   Lakshmi # 302 16:03  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  319.   LAKSHIMI.What has the USA contributed?Look at list of Nobel laure 16:04  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  320.   #278 dowod of Japan 16:04  |  Lynn 12/05/07
  321.   Swiss Miss: "One-Sidedeness" 16:05  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  322.   # 302 lakshmi 16:09  |  Lynn 12/05/07
  323.   # 225 Dhimmi no more 16:12  |  Lynn 12/05/07
  324.   Danite 16:15  |  rich 12/05/07
  325.   #181, Vijaya, do you really call it noble and heroic... 16:17  |  newageblues 12/05/07
  326.   CHGODMK RE Swiss and Me 16:18  |  Danite 12/05/07
  327.   European in Brussels 16:20  |  rich 12/05/07
  328.   TO ALL AMERICANITES 16:30  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  329.   Rich "slow down there cowboy" 16:33  |  Danite 12/05/07
  330.   # 316 Chanah S. re: Naim and his distortions... 16:36  |  Kath` 12/05/07
  331.   forgive us for what? wanting to live in our home? 16:49  |  yahn goodey 12/05/07
  332.   KHALID "Do Muslims destroy"?The Buddhas in Afghanistan! In front 16:50  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  333.   ..And We Will Never Forgive them for Genocide Against Persians 16:54  |  Omid the Persian 12/05/07
  334.   # 315/321 CHGODMK The fool on the hill (1) 17:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  335.   Al-Birawi About Jews Not Forgiving 17:08  |  Yosemite 12/05/07
  336.   5 FOX: The Pals are part of a culture that does not forgive 17:13  |  Tupac 12/05/07
  337.   #3312 John Allen, the ignorant one 17:15  |  ballistic 12/05/07
  338.   Danite: Me and Europeans 17:16  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  339.   299 b`galil: And what do u call European and Russian Immigrants? 17:17  |  Tupac 12/05/07
  340.   To Saul 17:19  |  John 12/05/07
  341.   # 315/321 CHGODMK The fool on the hill (2) 17:19  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  342.   Dino the Swiss Cheese Guy #294 17:19  |  GABE! 12/05/07
  343.   Swiss Miss 17:24  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  344.   Hate 17:25  |  Dani 12/05/07
  345.   Danite #329 17:25  |  GABE! 12/05/07
  346.   333 Omid the Persian: Did you watch 300? 17:32  |  Tupac 12/05/07
  347.   # 300 S 17:34  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  348.   The Return of Omid the Mighty Persian 17:35  |  Danite 12/05/07
  349.   Laskshmi # 328 17:36  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  350.   281Asad Are you a Hindu? Do you know Indian History? 17:36  |  Michigan 12/05/07
  351.   LAKSHMI"TO ALL AMERICANITES" your reply shows total denial of 17:37  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  352.   Swiss Miss: Where is your "fair and balance"? 17:38  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  353.   Lakshmi (2) # 328 17:39  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  354.   Swiss, "please remember" 17:40  |  Danite 12/05/07
  355.   Swiss#2 17:42  |  Danite 12/05/07
  356.   Al Birawi .Jews not forgiving?Are you speaking for me? 17:43  |  PETER SM 12/05/07
  357.   333OVID ThePersian,you seem to be selective in your statsWhat 17:46  |  Alan 12/05/07
  358.   242Amin Nusseibeh Why don`t you move back to Arabian Desert? 17:50  |  Michigan 12/05/07
  359.   # 326 Danite 17:51  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  360.   to marilyn 17:52  |  citizen zero 12/05/07
  361.   Swiss Miss: A Miss in More Ways Than One 17:55  |  CHGODMK 12/05/07
  362.   268"European" One Land, One Man, one Vote, like Nazi Germany? 17:55  |  Michigan 12/05/07
  363.   to Khalid 17:56  |  citizen zero 12/05/07
  364.   325 NEWAGE BLUES,part of your argument is correct,but `noble and 18:00  |  Vijaya 12/05/07
  365.   Belief in war 18:02  |  Sharonelle 12/05/07
  366.   Dear Danite Your Support is a Medal I Proudly Wear 18:05  |  Omid the Persian 12/05/07
  367.   Have yiu ever seen the ASHURA festival? 18:11  |  Fortuna Benmayor 12/05/07
  368.   # 342 GABE! Salvation, salvation is here..... 18:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  369.   NOT FOR MUSLIM BASHERS AND AMERICAN DOLLARISTS 18:28  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  370.   john, no. 340 18:28  |  saul a. readner 12/05/07
  371.   Iakshmi # 328 It`s Not So Absolute 18:46  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  372.   # 343/352 CHGODMK Fools and cowards and other people...... 18:51  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  373.   Danite ...and marriage 19:28  |  rich 12/05/07
  374.   #328 Lakshami on America 19:46  |  Alicia 12/05/07
  375.   Response to Marylin 19:51  |  jorge grosz md 12/05/07
  376.   Re The so called Alan 19:54  |  Omid the Persian 12/05/07
  377.   Alan # 354 Excuse me? 19:55  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  378.   # 372 CHGODMK A completion to the Swiss and the Nazis..... 20:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 12/05/07
  379.   JEFF NORTHRIDGE,you evidently 20:14  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  380.   Tupac # 339 There Are Called Israelis 20:16  |  Jeff Northridge 12/05/07
  381.   Peace is the goal, not forgiveness 20:21  |  TOM S 12/05/07
  382.   350 MICHIGAN,your stats are erroneus and I have already replied 20:27  |  lakshmi 12/05/07
  383.   FOX #18, Forgiveness and the Germans 20:30  |  Seymour L Gordon 12/05/07
  384.   Lakshmi # 379 20:37  |  ChanahS 12/05/07
  385.   Dino #347 20:38  |  S 12/05/07
  386.   Naim # 290 - Your Post About Iraqi Jews Are False 20:41  |  Eli 12/05/07
  387.   Arabs don`t matter. 20:47  |  Yehudi 12/05/07
  388.   CHGODMK 21:02  |  Danite 12/05/07
  389.   #336 Tupac, forgive yourself first 21:03  |  FOX 12/05/07
  390.   gabe1 21:03  |  Danite 12/05/07
  391.   CHGODMK and my eyes 21:04  |  Danite 12/05/07
  392.   #364, Vijaya, non violent resistance is more noble and effective 21:06  |  newageblues 12/05/07
  393.   #364 Vijaya. Peace and blessings to you! 21:06  |  Toronto`s Finest 12/05/07
  394.   Swiss Dino Thanks 21:06  |  Danite 12/05/07
  395.   Vijaya, probably should read those books you mention 21:10  |  newageblues 12/05/07
  396.   So true, Lakshmi... 21:10  |  Nico de Lange 12/05/07
  397.   TUPAC 339 - Read some books 21:12  |  B`Galil 12/05/07
  398.   Greetings Omid 21:12  |  Danite 12/05/07
  399.   rich 21:14  |  Danite 12/05/07
  400.   A good start for Jews to admit wrongs committed 21:14  |  El-birawi 12/05/07
  401.   Alan what? 21:17  |  Danite 12/05/07
  402.   Jeff Northridge vs. the Mob 21:21  |  FOX 12/05/07
  403.   # 85 Shalom Freedman 21:22  |  Jim 12/05/07
  404.   Jeff# 380 21:33  |  Danite 12/05/07
  405.   For Danite # 137 21:36  |  Clickfool 12/05/07
  406.   For Brod # 173 21:41  |  Clickfool 12/05/07
  407.   ChanahS - India