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The victory won't be American
By Ze'ev Schiff

The assumption that there will be no American victory in Iraq is growing stronger. On the other hand, a Shi'ite victory over the Sunnis seems likely. If there is such a victory, it will have a profound effect on the region, Israel included.

It is important to understand that there is another war going on in Iraq - a civil war between the Shi'ites and the Sunnis, who have been in power for hundreds of years. Of late, a crushing Shi'ite victory looks imminent. A respected Middle East expert, Fouad Ajami, a Shi'ite of Lebanese origin, described the situation well in his articles in The Wall Street Journal and The New Republic after returning from Iraq.

The turning point in the fighting took place over a year ago after the Sunnis attacked the great mosque in Samara, killing hundreds of worshippers. In the wake of the attack, the battle in Iraq increased in scope and brutality, and the Shi'ites mobilized all their forces. Thousands of men came from the marshlands where Saddam massacred Shi'ites in the past, some of them joining Shi'ite militias such as the one headed by Muqtada al-Sadr.

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The outcome has been a gradual Shi'ite takeover of the capital. The Sunni neighborhoods lie mostly in ruins, and only 15 percent of the Baghdad population is Sunni. Iraqi Sunnis are streaming into Jordan, which has created a problem there. According to estimates, 1.7 million Iraqi refugees have abandoned their property in Baghdad and other cities. Many were driven out of their homes in ethnic cleansing campaigns.

Some Sunnis are calling themselves the "Palestinians of Iraq" after losing their country and being abandoned to their fate by the Arab countries, in the same way the Palestinians were cast off.

In their despair, the Sunnis have allowed Al-Qaida to operate in Iraq, which has only increased the level of violence. Chlorine bombs are being lobbed at civilian populations, mosques are being blown up, and thousands of innocent citizens are being indiscriminately killed. In Iraq today, civilians are picked up at random and executed for being Shi'ites or Sunnis, depending on who the kidnappers are.

In the midst of all this, mass graves from the Saddam era are being discovered. Add to this the assassinations in Lebanon and the killings among the Palestinians, and it is hard to escape the conclusion that if Arabs and Muslims can be so cruel to one another, imagine what they are capable of doing to others.

The lesson is not to rely on their promises and to maintain a very wide safety zone for defense purposes. If the Shi'ites strengthen their grip on Iraq, it will be the first time in modern Arab history that a Shi'ite regime rules an Arab country. Victory in Iraq will bring the power that comes with oil resources.

As a result, the Sunni Arab world is worried and nervously readying itself for such a scenario. The danger is that they could push the Shi'ites in Iraq into the arms of Iran. Shi'ite leaders in Iraq told Fouad Ajami that they plan to devote most of their energies to rehabilitating Iraq, and will have no taste for adventures outside the country, like Saddam. In contrast to Saddam, they believe they will be good neighbors. Only time will tell. In any case, a Shi'ite victory is certain to affect the political balance in the Arab world.

A Shi'ite victory will also affect Israel's security. The growing Iranian influence in a Shi'ite-controlled Iraq could be detrimental to Israel, and the same holds true for a Shi'ite Iraqi pact with Hezbollah. Meanwhile, it seems that an American pullout will not end the hostilities in Iraq because the Sunnis are fighting for their lives. If withdrawal is interpreted by the Arabs as a sign of American defeat, we can look forward to a radical Arab shift that will strengthen all the extremists around us.

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  1.   The victory is Iranian 10:59  |  Palestinian 20/04/07
  2.   THE ONLY OPTION THE US AHAD WAS TO CREATE 3 STATES FROM IRAQ 11:18  |  paul harris 20/04/07
  3.   So why did Israel support the war? 11:26  |  Wiktor 20/04/07
  4.   Perhaps.... 11:36  |  will turner 20/04/07
  5.   3#DUMB DOCTOR wicktor 12:20  |  alonitzafoni 20/04/07
  6.   What are they fighting for? 12:44  |  Alicia 20/04/07
  7.   Boker tov, Eliyahu 13:04  |  CJK 20/04/07
  8.   The way to victory is a Kurdish state 13:10  |  Ken Jurist 20/04/07
  9.   Palestinian 13:21  |  interested in FACTS 20/04/07
  10.   Wiktor aka will turner..... 13:43  |  Hastaroth 20/04/07
  11.   Paul harris - how could that be? I agree with you on something! 14:06  |  dana 20/04/07
  12.   i would call this article 14:26  |  cool 20/04/07
  13.   I agree with Palestinian 14:55  |  Dave 20/04/07
  14.   Alert 15:01  |  JJ 20/04/07
  15.   Alicia #6 - a simplified answer ... 15:21  |  spyguy 20/04/07
  16.   The Iraq war was a catastrophe for Israel 15:21  |  Clickfool 20/04/07
  17.   #12 "uncool" 15:31  |  South African Rabbi 20/04/07
  18.   Irak 15:48  |  Uncle Sammy 20/04/07
  19.   Wasn`t Israel a leading cheerleader of this war? 15:54  |  Ibrahim 20/04/07
  20.   The americans are stupid and arrogant 15:54  |  Dror 20/04/07
  21.   STUPID AMERICANS 15:58  |  indrajaya 20/04/07
  22.   US failure based on denial of Iraq`s sectarian realities (A) 16:00  |  MG 20/04/07
  23.   #7 Trust the Arabs 16:01  |  Tbart 20/04/07
  24.   Iran is winning it all 16:04  |  Fortuna Benmayor 20/04/07
  25.   US failure based on denial of Iraq`s sectarian realities (B) 16:04  |  MG 20/04/07
  26.   Feeling stupid? 16:09  |  Equinox 20/04/07
  27.   Iran`s Khamenei is the aggressor 16:14  |  PB 20/04/07
  28.   sunni -shia 16:17  |  NB 20/04/07
  29.   Oh please 16:30  |  FP 20/04/07
  30.   "American Victory"? 16:42  |  Mark Lincoln 20/04/07
  31.   #5, alonitzafoni, you claiming Israel didn`t support the war? 17:01  |  newageblues 20/04/07
  32.   Amazing how poorly Mr. Schiff states the facts 17:05  |  Chick Corea 20/04/07
  33.   The Great Neocon Screwup 17:09  |  Tosefta 20/04/07
  34.   Wiktor, that is such crap! 17:21  |  Jake 20/04/07
  35.   PRESERVING BRITISH IMPERIALISM 17:56  |  Mark of Lewiston 20/04/07
  36.   Chiites or sunnis 17:56  |  Ralph 20/04/07
  37.   None was killed in the Samara Mosque attack 18:03  |  Rafeh Hulays 20/04/07
  38.   Anxiety and Paranoia 18:45  |  Alasdair Anderson 20/04/07
  39.   Every bit of "intelligence" was made up by Israeli`s 18:51  |  Marilyn 20/04/07
  40.   What is "victory"? 18:56  |  tadchase 20/04/07
  41.   35 Lewiston Mark - read it and weep. 19:14  |  tadchase 20/04/07
  42.   Sunni defeat 19:25  |  Michael Garkawe 20/04/07
  43.   #27 Rafeh Hulays So what`s your point 19:36  |  Chick Corea 20/04/07
  44.   US fights in Iraq because that`s where the terrorists are. 19:54  |  Voice of Reason 20/04/07
  45.   What If... 20:24  |  Yosemite 20/04/07
  46.   I Know What`s Going To Happen! 20:41  |  Yosemite 20/04/07
  47.   who cares ? 20:43  |  mehmet 20/04/07
  48.   Iraq withdrawal: defeat for America or just for part of America? 20:45  |  newageblues 20/04/07
  49.   To Voice of Reason 21:06  |  christa 20/04/07
  50.   will turner - israelis in iraq... 21:12  |  ?? 20/04/07
  51.   Disapointed 21:14  |  Ah 20/04/07
  52.   Alicia - What are they fighting for? 21:17  |  ?? 20/04/07
  53.   Ken Jurist - The way to victory is a Kurdish state 21:19  |  ?? 20/04/07
  54.   Yosemite - Maher for president 21:43  |  tadchase 20/04/07
  55.   Marilyn, so Cheney and Rumsfeld are powerless stooges? 21:48  |  Jake 20/04/07
  56.   Now Two Guys Know 22:25  |  Yosemite 20/04/07
  57.   #19, hope you think that your excellent advice 22:28  |  newageblues 20/04/07
  58.   #3 Wiktor Bush-"Are you with us or against us"? 22:29  |  Tbart 20/04/07
  59.   And they are proud of that!!!!! 23:07  |  Karl 20/04/07
  60.   victory is not Iranian 23:29  |  Hank 20/04/07
  61.   @ 8 You are badly mistaken. If a Kurdish state... 23:30  |  Karl 20/04/07
  62.   To CJK 23:37  |  Eric Blair 20/04/07
  63.   #8 Kurdish State 23:44  |  George the Leb 20/04/07
  64.   Iraq attitudes towards Israel depends on Israel-Palestine peace 23:47  |  newageblues 20/04/07
  65.   Then why isn`t he happy? - tadchase 23:53  |  Mark Lincoln 20/04/07
  66.   Sign of the times 00:50  |  SAM 21/04/07
  67.   We are still in Act I 00:56  |  Norm 21/04/07
  68.   Christa #49, the goal of terrorism is intimidation 01:18  |  Voice of Reason 21/04/07
  69.   This is old news 02:01  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  70.   Paul Harris: The Division of Iraq 02:06  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  71.   Dror #20: If the Americans are stupid and arrogant, 02:13  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  72.   I hate to say this 02:14  |  Montrealer 21/04/07
  73.   why we fought 02:32  |  syvanen 21/04/07
  74.   41 Tadchase - Laughable if It weren`t So Sad 02:32  |  Mark of Lewiston 21/04/07
  75.   #64 DREAM WORLD 03:13  |  Tbart 21/04/07
  76.   Is everyone here brain washeD?? 03:45  |  John 21/04/07
  77.   65 Mark Lincoln 04:00  |  tadchase 21/04/07
  78.   #55 jake 04:54  |  Labhras 21/04/07
  79.   We all have a common enemy 05:44  |  The Khybernator 21/04/07
  80.   Forgedaboutit! 07:13  |  Danite 21/04/07
  81.   newageblues 07:15  |  Danite 21/04/07
  82.   Norm in the Bronx 07:52  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  83.   Myopia 08:31  |  observer 21/04/07
  84.   and what has brought this about...? 08:48  |  ravi 21/04/07
  85.   CHGODMK reply to # 71 12:26  |  Dror 21/04/07
  86.   chgodmk 14:17  |  Norm 21/04/07
  87.   Its time for the Sunnis to fight back 14:55  |  Murray of Montreal 21/04/07
  88.   #81 Danite, I did not use the word apologize 15:09  |  newageblues 21/04/07
  89.   Dror, what a bore (YAWN!) 15:19  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  90.   I wonder 15:24  |  christoph 21/04/07
  91.   Danite: Forgedaboutit! 15:34  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  92.   Norm in the Bronx: Get Out of Your Fantasies More Often 15:43  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  93.   Norm: Arming the Saudis 15:57  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  94.   # 68 Voice of Reason 16:42  |  christa 21/04/07
  95.   My analysis is different tad chase 17:39  |  Mark Lincoln 21/04/07
  96.   Murray of Montreal #87: Is that really what you want??!! 17:48  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  97.   CHGODMNK 17:57  |  DROR 21/04/07
  98.   chgodmk 18:00  |  Norm 21/04/07
  99.   newageblues 18:01  |  Danite 21/04/07
  100.   Clickfool: #16 `The writing is on the Wall`... 18:01  |  Highlander 21/04/07
  101.   CHGODMK 18:02  |  Danite 21/04/07
  102.   CHGODMK 18:06  |  Danite 21/04/07
  103.   you must write about 18:18  |  nemzi 21/04/07
  104.   There will be no Victory 19:07  |  Melinda Lehan 21/04/07
  105.   Re 1: SHIAS ARE TRYING TO SAVE YOUR SUNNI PALESTINIAN AS... 19:30  |  JACKAL 21/04/07
  106.   marilyn # 39 you also predicted the torah and old testiment was 19:43  |  terrornator 21/04/07
  107.   The civil war is political, not religious and Iran is far away 19:43  |  Fritz 21/04/07
  108.   Neocon excuses (Chgodmk #69, 91) 19:44  |  Tosefta 21/04/07
  109.   Wiktor 20:09  |  rich 21/04/07
  110.   I agree with you, in part #1. 20:11  |  d.dor 21/04/07
  111.   Dror: From what it sounds to me 20:21  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  112.   Shiehs are better bet 20:24  |  InTheKnow 21/04/07
  113.   Norm: Twists and Turns, or Just Twisted? 20:27  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  114.   Danite: Our Israeli Brothers 20:32  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  115.   For Melinda # 104 20:36  |  Clickfool 21/04/07
  116.   Tosefta: Neocons 20:47  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  117.   CHGODMK - the quality of liberation 21:25  |  Mark Lincoln 21/04/07
  118.   Iraqi "Palestinians" 21:30  |  Paul 21/04/07
  119.   No one knows what to do 21:33  |  Shalom Freedman 21/04/07
  120.   Israel`s enemies fighting each other is good for Israel 21:49  |  Jewboy 21/04/07
  121.   CHGODMK 22:44  |  Danite 21/04/07
  122.   CHGODMNK 22:46  |  DROR 21/04/07
  123.   31#NEWAGE BLEW AWAY IN THE WIND 22:54  |  alonitzafoni 21/04/07
  124.   To # 118 Paul 22:58  |  christa 21/04/07
  125.   Mark Lincoln: I Agree with You Except on One Thing 23:00  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  126.   CHGNOMK 23:06  |  Dror 21/04/07
  127.   Jewboy in Jerusalem #120 23:07  |  CHGODMK 21/04/07
  128.   #99, Danite, still not seeing what I`m saying. 23:17  |  newageblues 21/04/07
  129.   Concerning Jewboy (#120) 23:37  |  christoph 21/04/07
  130.   Danite: Don`t Even Try That with Me! 00:44  |  CHGODMK 22/04/07
  131.   Dror 01:43  |  CHGODMK 22/04/07
  132.   #123, alonitzafoni, sure like your insults, don`t you? 01:48  |  newageblues 22/04/07
  133.   George Bush is as smart as an Oak tree. 02:04  |  Sammy 22/04/07
  134.   For: CHGODMK-Is that what I want? 02:21  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  135.   Iraq - The Zionist/Neocon, War/Invasion. 02:47  |  Maureen Ann 22/04/07
  136.   CHGODMK "THE ISRAELIS CAN OCCUPY IRAQ!!" 03:23  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  137.   # 6 Alicia 03:27  |  Lynn 22/04/07
  138.   Marilyn # 39 03:40  |  Lynn 22/04/07
  139.   CHGODMK-Here is proof 03:45  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  140.   # 72 Montrealer 03:48  |  Lynn 22/04/07
  141.   Murray of Montreal 04:02  |  CHGODMK 22/04/07
  142.   Murray of Molntreal: Your Proof 04:07  |  CHGODMK 22/04/07
  143.   Dror: You are right about one thing 04:23  |  CHGODMK 22/04/07
  144.   Fuad Ajami not respected 04:33  |  Fed Up 22/04/07
  145.   CHGODMK and the urgent need in the USA for medicare 04:34  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  146.   Lynn #140 04:52  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  147.   You people are a trip...... 05:16  |  Lynn 22/04/07
  148.   Shut up Maureen Ann 05:18  |  Lynn 22/04/07
  149.   voice of reason 05:54  |  John Kooms 22/04/07
  150.   CHGODMK Relax a little 07:05  |  Danite 22/04/07
  151.   Stupid Muslims! 07:22  |  Nechama 22/04/07
  152.   CHGODMK: I doubt it. 07:29  |  Jewboy 22/04/07
  153.   Christoph - a pacifist in the ME... 07:32  |  Jewboy 22/04/07
  154.   Maureen Ann, Clickfool, Tosefta: Unite your Wisdom with Dutch`s. 08:38  |  People of the World 22/04/07
  155.   102, DANITE 08:42  |  InTheKnow 22/04/07
  156.   #91. Which neo-cons 09:08  |  InTheKnow 22/04/07
  157.   #147 Lynn "You people are a trip" 13:24  |  Murray of Montreal 22/04/07
  158.   Hey Maureen; neocon invasion? 22:16  |  ballistic 22/04/07
  159.   #148 Hey Lynn; what`s with the "shut up" 02:53  |  ballistic 23/04/07
  160.   Dror 21:04  |  ?? 23/04/07
  161.   Murray of Montreal 21:05  |  ?? 23/04/07
  162.   Nechama - Stupid Muslims! 21:23  |  ?? 23/04/07
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