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How to free captives
By Zvi Bar'el

An enormous, consuming envy should take hold of anyone who witnessed the release of the 15 British soldiers from Iranian incarceration. This envy is stirred by the cold logic of a large and powerful country like Britain, which decided that the liberty of 15 of its soldiers was more important than any considerations of prestige or any threat. And of course, the soldiers' liberty was considered more important than a pointless war that Britain could have launched, together with the United States.

Britain decided it was a moment when the state must serve its soldiers and that its identity, honor and strength would not be damaged if it invested every diplomatic effort, including a commitment not to violate Iran's borders, before resorting to military measures. Britain also did not hesitate to spoil another game of prestige for Israel when it instructed its consul general, Richard Makepeace, to meet with the Palestinian prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh, in an effort to free the journalist Alan Johnston, who is being held by a gang in Gaza.

Political or diplomatic principles, from Britain's perspective, are only road signs; they must be derived from values. A state that turns its captives or hostages into the symbol of its power, and sees any concession as undermining its prestige, is a dogmatic state that has forgotten its purpose. This type of argumentation could not have been accepted in Israel, certainly not in the summer of 2006. Israel first goes to war and then conducts negotiations. But suddenly Britain comes and demonstrates a style of polished and unfamiliar policy that poses a large question mark to such a war: It is possible to conduct negotiations and perhaps make it unnecessary to go to war.

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There are certainly those who argue that Iran surrendered to pressure and threats, that it realized it was not worthwhile to generate a major war over such an incident and that this explains its readiness to release the soldiers. At the same time, it is also possible to wonder: Iran knew that international pressure would come, and perhaps even sought this to demonstrate "moderation." More ridiculous is the claim that Iran arrested the British soldiers as part of the cultural war of "Satanic Islam." And who "abducted" the five Iranians at Irbil and several Iranian citizens in Baghdad? Who abducted Lebanese citizens to Israel? Or Afghani citizens to Guantanamo? "The culture of the West"? Iran arrested the British soldiers for political reasons and released them for political reasons.

But Iran is not the point here, it is the lesson. How did Britain understand what Israel was unable to understand in July 2006? After all, that war was entirely hung upon the weak hook of freeing the two captured soldiers, and later developed into a complete hanger of explanations, from destroying Hezbollah's infrastructure to the aspiration to liquidate Hassan Nasrallah. These were good and justified reasons, no fewer than the reasons for Britain to launch a war against Iran last week, or the reasons behind the tragedy generated by the war in Iraq.

But unlike Britain's approach, within days the Israeli captives moved to the bottom of the list of reasons for the war in Lebanon. More esteemed reasons were hastily attached to the war. Now Israel's captives in Lebanon are no longer able to propel the Israeli government into action, just as Gilad Shalit is unsuccessful in causing it to do what the government of Britain is prepared to do for one of its citizens - a journalist, not a soldier.

True, Britain cannot send battalions to Gaza to fight for his release, but it also understands what Israel refuses to understand: The captives and prisoners of a country perhaps "disturb" its prestige, but negotiating their release does not damage the state's power. Their release sometimes requires a high price, but in the case of Israel vis-a-vis Hezbollah or the Palestinian Authority, the price is in identical coinage: captives in exchange for prisoners and detainees, and not in mutual national recognition, not in a withdrawal from the territories, and not even in a budget increase for hospitals. Only the exchange of people. And a bit of prestige.

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  5.   zvi barel"derived from values" 11:51  |  flashman 08/04/07
  6.   zvi barel finally sums up 11:55  |  flashman 08/04/07
  7.   A beautifully wriiten piece, Zvi Bar`el 12:17  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  12.   weakness 13:06  |  ron 08/04/07
  13.   Understanding 13:19  |  pro bono publico 08/04/07
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  15.   For Israel Israeli # 10 13:26  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  18.   #14 Cluck Fool: linguistic expert already 13:49  |  Star of David 08/04/07
  19.   There`s no comparison, Mr. Bar`el 13:51  |  Marsha Falk 08/04/07
  20.   #16 Salameh the stupid 13:54  |  Joe Ramzi 08/04/07
  21.   Spot on 14:11  |  tom s 08/04/07
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  26.   #1#2#3#4#5Iran must Teach Israel 14:44  |  Samir 08/04/07
  27.   SAMIR SALAMEH 14:47  |  alonitzafoni 08/04/07
  28.   Clickfool number 7. 14:48  |  David Nigel Braham 08/04/07
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  30.   8#they were not a gesture of goodwill 14:53  |  Alon Fisher 08/04/07
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  32.   mensch 15:01  |  ny observer 08/04/07
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  34.   Bernard Ross...... #29 15:15  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  46.   #32 ny observer 16:26  |  Star of David 08/04/07
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  48.   Samir Salameh # 16 16:34  |  ChanahS 08/04/07
  49.   # 9 Star of David re mensch 16:43  |  ChanahS 08/04/07
  50.   mr zvi barel six british soldiers killed after the release 16:47  |  flashman 08/04/07
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  54.   ChanahS We learned form your Hatred 17:04  |  Samir Salameh 08/04/07
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  66.   Britain did not free any terrorists to get back the hostages 17:58  |  Briton 08/04/07
  67.   Bar`el Blushes 18:02  |  Star of David 08/04/07
  68.   Chris Linthwaite 18:03  |  rich 08/04/07
  69.   Ba`rel Type Cowardice Causes More Aggression 18:09  |  Tod Zuckerman 08/04/07
  70.   Ignorant article 18:09  |  rich 08/04/07
  71.   Samir Salameh 18:12  |  rich 08/04/07
  72.   samir salameh 18:18  |  rich 08/04/07
  73.   National Reforms - and Military Action 18:18  |  Vic 08/04/07
  74.   #64 Seth Halpern 18:25  |  Chris Linthwaite 08/04/07
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  77.   Swap Zvi Bar`el for Shalit 18:54  |  AlexK 08/04/07
  78.   # 16 Salameh, 18:56  |  Lynn 08/04/07
  79.   # 40 Happy Easter Clicky 19:00  |  Lynn 08/04/07
  80.   Stupid analogy 19:10  |  Danite 08/04/07
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  82.   # 54 Samir Salameh 19:37  |  ChanahS 08/04/07
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  91.   For Star of David # 59 20:17  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
  92.   For Simon # 75 20:20  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  98.   clickfool the s.o.d.s are those who are to scared to fight 21:08  |  giora 08/04/07
  99.   Persian Kitty 21:09  |  Danite 08/04/07
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  105.   For Jo # 96 21:31  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  114.   For giora # 100 21:41  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
  115.   Marilyn #89 21:59  |  Mimi 08/04/07
  116.   For Harzion (aka giora) 21:59  |  Clickfool 08/04/07
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  129.   Zvi Bar`el 22:58  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/04/07
  130.   Perisan Kitty 23:01  |  Danite 08/04/07
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  137.   To the fool who clicks: Peace in our time... 01:26  |  bernard ross 09/04/07
  138.   Captives. 02:03  |  mike davis 09/04/07
  139.   A massive difference 02:17  |  Seth J 09/04/07
  140.   #93 Cluck Fool 02:21  |  Star of David 09/04/07
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  142.   Hypocrites 03:28  |  Mitch Cohen 09/04/07
  143.   #58 bernard ross 03:34  |  pro bono publico 09/04/07
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  147.   Bar`el Blushing at Work. Again 05:06  |  Star of David 09/04/07
  148.   unbelievable 05:26  |  E-Sp 09/04/07
  149.   Does E-Sp stand for 06:32  |  Brian Carradine 09/04/07
  150.   Fake Danite post #145 06:44  |  Danite 09/04/07
  151.   Beware West 07:21  |  Persian warrior 09/04/07
  152.   Freeing prisoners 07:24  |  Sherri 09/04/07
  153.   What do the brits think?? 07:34  |  Benny 09/04/07
  154.   WHEN HAVE WE SEEN *IDF* PRISONERS SMILING ON TV? 08:14  |  Mike 09/04/07
  155.   Bar`el and his sympathisers: a challenge 08:23  |  Star of David 09/04/07
  156.   Danite #150 08:29  |  Kfir Arlozoroff 09/04/07
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  158.   samir salameh 10:43  |  rich 09/04/07
  159.   For Bernard Ross, oblivious to history # 137 10:45  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  160.   For Benny, on what the Brits think # 153 10:54  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  161.   Good point 11:11  |  Nicolas 09/04/07
  162.   Number 90 mark Lincoln. 11:27  |  David Nigel Braham 09/04/07
  163.   clickfool and `enry `iggins you forgot the rest 11:34  |  harzion 09/04/07
  164.   #155 CLIKKY GETS IT WRONG AS USUAL 11:34  |  paul harris 09/04/07
  165.   Clickfool number 15. 11:37  |  David Nigel Braham 09/04/07
  166.   the dictator did not have a hatred for the british 11:45  |  harzion 09/04/07
  167.   #156 Cluck Fool 11:46  |  Star of David 09/04/07
  168.   For Harzion re ClickFool 11:51  |  Star of David 09/04/07
  169.   To Rich The Jew From North London 11:54  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  170.   Samir Salameh Sorry 11:56  |  Danite 09/04/07
  171.   ZVI BAREL HOSTAGE OF SOPHISTICAL CHAIN OF REASONING 12:46  |  NAD 09/04/07
  172.   #169 TO SAMIR WHO DOESNT KNOW WHY HE IS AMUSLIM 13:04  |  paul harris 09/04/07
  173.   Samir Salameh 13:07  |  rich 09/04/07
  174.   To rich your knowledge is limited 13:32  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  175.   # 169 according to Samir Salameh 13:41  |  ChanahS 09/04/07
  176.   Poor Zvi, over the falls in a Bar`el as usual 13:42  |  David Teich 09/04/07
  177.   Samir`s hypocracy re darfur and other Moslem 13:44  |  ChanahS 09/04/07
  178.   How to Free Captives 13:57  |  Mitch 09/04/07
  179.   hooorah for zvi bar"el 14:06  |  VIPER 09/04/07
  180.   #8, james, you are a joke 14:17  |  VIPER 09/04/07
  181.   #29, BERNARD confuses moral issues with cowardess 14:26  |  VIPER 09/04/07
  182.   #97, SIMON, it`s your fault 14:33  |  VIPER 09/04/07
  183.   Britain, Israel and responses 14:34  |  Maple Jew 09/04/07
  184.   #100, GIORA, got some proof it was iranians? 14:36  |  VIPER 09/04/07
  185.   Samir Salameh 14:57  |  rich 09/04/07
  186.   Dear clickfool: Are the british buying time now too? 14:58  |  bernard ross 09/04/07
  187.   Viper 14:59  |  rich 09/04/07
  188.   Samir Salameh 15:02  |  rich 09/04/07
  189.   Star of David in Perth 15:03  |  rich 09/04/07
  190.   By the Way Rich is Not German Christians 15:22  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  191.   samir salameh 15:59  |  rich 09/04/07
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  194.   mr samir salameh esq 16:44  |  timothy jones 09/04/07
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  197.   viper to say israel used disproportionate force 17:02  |  abdulla 09/04/07
  198.   Why the British sailors ``confessed``-and IDF should be deterred. 17:25  |  Najdt 09/04/07
  199.   Rich First Of All I Don`t Beleive in Hurting Civilians 17:32  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  200.   The War for the Hell of it Crowd 17:33  |  Mark Lincoln 09/04/07
  201.   to Viper 17:37  |  dsvid 09/04/07
  202.   The Hell of War and the all caps crowd 17:40  |  Mark Lincoln 09/04/07
  203.   149 17:40  |  E-sp 09/04/07
  204.   Rich i saw the Video 17:42  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  205.   Samir 18:03  |  Nerys 09/04/07
  206.   to timothy jones 18:17  |  Samir Salameh 09/04/07
  207.   Star of David168# 18:18  |  Nerys 09/04/07
  208.   #22 If describing you FOOL the Yiddishe word 18:59  |  Ari ben Yisrael 09/04/07
  209.   Zvi Bar`el 19:00  |  Jacques 09/04/07
  210.   samir salameh "how should we stop the hatred" 19:01  |  jeremy finestone 09/04/07
  211.   For David Nigel Braham, on propaganda # 165 19:10  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  212.   Harzion 195-Versailles;Iraq; Lebanon;demaguogues! 19:12  |  bernard ross 09/04/07
  213.   Different Situation 19:13  |  Alex 09/04/07
  214.   For Star of David, still pea-green with envy # 167 19:18  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  215.   mark lincoln what a load of bilge 19:21  |  harzion 09/04/07
  216.   For Bernard Ross # 186 19:26  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  217.   mark lincoln lord gorst of the bef was no genius 19:31  |  harzion 09/04/07
  218.   #193 timothy jones re Samir #202 19:58  |  Labhras 09/04/07
  219.   For Star of David, tossing fish to seals # 168 20:05  |  Clickfool 09/04/07
  220.   to Mark Lincoln 20:09  |  david 09/04/07
  221.   mr samir salameh esq re post 202 20:59  |  timothy jones 09/04/07
  222.   Captives 21:44  |  P. J. Casey 09/04/07
  223.   False Danite Post#170 21:58  |  danite 09/04/07
  224.   non-Billionaires please read...... 22:04  |  MGB 09/04/07
  225.   timothy jones 22:06  |  Danite 09/04/07
  226.   Samir Salameh you give me great hope 22:09  |  Danite 09/04/07
  227.   Mark Lincoln and the battle for France 22:22  |  Danite 09/04/07
  228.   Mark Lincoln and the battle for France 22:23  |  Danite 09/04/07
  229.   Dunkirk 22:25  |  Danite 09/04/07
  230.   @32, ny observer, ben adam is son of man not god 23:06  |  vladimir 09/04/07
  231.   samir salameh says we must go to the negev! 23:26  |  Alon Fisher 09/04/07
  232.   AND THE HAARETZ APRIL JACKASS AWARD GOES TOO 23:32  |  alonitzafoni 09/04/07
  233.   210# HE WILL GET FLOGGED TOO DEATH 23:33  |  alonitzafoni 09/04/07
  234.   How to free captives 23:37  |  simon 09/04/07
  235.   Mr ZVI Bar`el. Food for thouhts, very good article. 00:10  |  Solomon 10/04/07
  236.   #10 Isr.Isr. BRITAIN is GREAT BRITAIN. 00:22  |  Adam 10/04/07
  237.   For Vladimir # 211 00:24  |  Clickfool 10/04/07
  238.   hostages 01:29  |  jose garcia 10/04/07
  239.   Cause & effect. 01:56  |  Manny 10/04/07
  240.   #210and #193 tim jones and#202 Samir 03:20  |  Labhras 10/04/07
  241.   Clickfool 205: absurd analysis of Islamic terror 03:42  |  bernard ross 10/04/07
  242.   Apples and Oranges 04:17  |  RA 10/04/07
  243.   Jews in Iran n lying whores of Persia 06:52  |  Watcher 10/04/07
  244.   Miopic vision 07:38  |  RAB 10/04/07
  245.   Freed captives, it`s very simple 07:40  |  howiej 10/04/07
  246.   talk back-how to free captives 07:46  |  ayelett 10/04/07
  247.   Cluck Fool: at the risk of 08:41  |  Star of David 10/04/07
  248.   You don`t understand the special hatred towards Israel 09:18  |  Shalom Freedman 10/04/07
  249.   zvi barel, the idiot 09:34  |  marc 10/04/07
  250.   If only Hezbollah and Hamas had nuclear programs of their own... 10:18  |  Fed Up 10/04/07
  251.   CluckFool: the vision of an 10:35  |  Star of David 10/04/07
  252.   completely wrong article 12:06  |  mehmet 10/04/07
  253.   #187, RICH, the little man in big boys shoes 12:19  |  VIPER 10/04/07
  254.   #197,abdulla, gees, do i have to explain? 12:20  |  VIPER 10/04/07
  255.   #201,dsvid, or is it "star of david"? 12:25  |  VIPER 10/04/07
  256.   #251, STAR OF DAVID, still no clue 12:34  |  VIPER 10/04/07
  257.   VIPER no clue! 17:19  |  Nerys 10/04/07
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