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What are we waiting for?
By Zalman Shapira

At the Madrid Conference in January, senior government officials from the Arab world got up one after the other and expressed their amazement: What has happened to Israel? For the first time in the history of the conflict, not only Egypt and Jordan but the entire Arab League is proposing peace, but Israel is turning its back.

Has something changed in the Arab world? Have the Arabs really changed? Nobody has a precise answer. In effect, we can reasonably assume that to the Arabs we are still a foreign implant in the region. It is not the Arabs who have changed, but the circumstances.

A new enemy is confronting the Arab elite, even more frightening and dangerous than Israel. Radical Islam threatens not only the public survival of the elite, but its physical survival as well. Ostensibly the military-civil establishment is still in control, with the support of the intellectual elite, but the masses are already captivated by radical Islam.
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All the external signs warn that the Middle East is facing a tremendous geopolitical change. The seed of the disaster of radical Islam has already been planted in its womb. The fetus is gradually developing. Nobody knows the date of birth, since the laws of nature do not apply to the Middle East, but when it takes place, it will bring about a fundamental change.

Every society needs an ethos to survive properly. With the help of the ethos the elite maintains its control over society. The nationalist ethos was short-lived, almost a passing episode in the history of the Arab world, and it is gradually disappearing. The ethos of Islam is coming back into power. When the ethos changes, so do the elites. At the end of the era of Mubarak, Assad and the other secular rulers, the victory of Islam will be unavoidable, either through elections or through a popular Iran-style revolution.

That is the reason for the Arab elite's desperate cry for peace. It is also the reason for the Saudi initiative and for the willingness of the Arab League for a normalization with Israel. The Arab elite is convinced - that was my impression from discussions in Madrid - that Israel Defense Forces activities in the territories are causing unrest among the masses. Arab satellite television, which broadcasts from every corner of the territories, is bringing the victims of the intifada into every home in the Arab world. This unrest is fertile ground for the growth of radical Islam.

According to the Arab elite, Iran is exploiting this unrest to extend its influence in the region. Only an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the Middle East is likely to stop the progress of this Shi'ite country and prevent it from becoming a regional superpower.

The power of the State of Israel in the Middle East is limited. It cannot stop the domination of Islam, but it must prepare for its advent. Israel's national interest requires determining the borders of the country and getting them recognized by the Muslim world before the Islamic storm floods the region. Only legitimate borders will constitute an impenetrable obstacle to radical Islam.

To create legitimate borders Israel needs a partner. In the North the partner is Syria, and negotiations should be conducted only with that country. The obstacle on the way to negotiations with Syria is not the Bush administration, but the weak government of Olmert, which is fighting for political survival. When it comes to the Palestinians the situation is more complex. Israel's only partner, the representative of Palestinian nationalism, Fatah, is out of power. Hamas, which represents radical Islam, is not a partner for setting the final borders due to its refusal to recognize Israel.

The solution is to conduct negotiations with the Arab League, a legitimate and supra-state body. The Arab countries will help to reach diplomatic arrangements and to make peace in the Middle East because the Arab elite believes an end to the conflict will contribute to stopping radical Islam and checking Iranian influence in the region. In all Israel's 59 years there has not been such a favorable diplomatic atmosphere for ending the conflict. This is a final historic opportunity before the Islamic storm sweeps away the last vestiges of moderation in the Middle East.

The writer is a political consultant.
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  1.   "the victory of Islam will be unavoidable" 10:32  |  Judith, Haifa 29/03/07
  2.   A nice try but history didn`t stop with the birth of Israel 10:40  |  Joe 29/03/07
  3.   Arabs awash with fear 10:43  |  Star of David 29/03/07
  4.   Sorry Joe, lost me on this one.... 10:52  |  Tuvia 29/03/07
  5.   "Television broadcasts from every corner of the territories." 11:14  |  Maureen Ann 29/03/07
  6.   #1, Judith 11:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  7.   Star of David 11:20  |  Marilyn 29/03/07
  8.   if islam victory is a matter of time then don`t give up anything 11:29  |  joe 29/03/07
  9.   Sorry Marilyn 11:33  |  Star of David 29/03/07
  10.   Where is Daniel Leopold when you need him? 11:40  |  Johnboy 29/03/07
  11.   5#maureen anne 11:50  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  12.   9#Marilyn is an angry,fustrated & delusional individual 12:06  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  13.   Arab peace plan is plan for Israel`s suicide 12:19  |  Yacov 29/03/07
  14.   The Arabs have not changed 12:26  |  Michael 29/03/07
  15.   stupid article 12:29  |  American 29/03/07
  16.   Cipora hi! 12:31  |  Judith 29/03/07
  17.   not that simple 12:32  |  analyst 2 29/03/07
  18.   2 joe,what you say is true 12:42  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  19.   Hi lakshmi 12:53  |  Star of David 29/03/07
  20.   # 12 12:56  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  21.   Is Europe feeling the heat? 12:56  |  Francis 29/03/07
  22.   analyst 2 - it is that simple 13:02  |  Judith, Haifa 29/03/07
  23.   Marilyn 13:03  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  24.   lakshmi 13:09  |  pundit 29/03/07
  25.   #11 you are wrong on one thing Alon 13:11  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  26.   lakshmi you must have dengue fever 13:12  |  pundit 29/03/07
  27.   Shapira and the Arab League 13:16  |  David Teich 29/03/07
  28.   Islamic storm 13:27  |  sandra chitayat 29/03/07
  29.   the Arabs are waiting for 13:30  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  30.   24 pundit,not interference,but moral responsibility 13:33  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  31.   10johnboy,hubris is the right word,add racism and moral turpitude 13:43  |  vijaya 29/03/07
  32.   Lakshmi you are indeed lacking 13:46  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  33.   30# 13:57  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  34.   # 5 MaureenAnn...world is not stupid,dearie 14:00  |  The Equalizer 29/03/07
  35.   I agree, the time has come... 14:01  |  whomever 29/03/07
  36.   The arab world is starting to understand... 14:03  |  Edith 29/03/07
  37.   Judith and Cipora... 14:04  |  Maimon 29/03/07
  38.   25# you will have too answer that one nerys 14:11  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  39.   The Job of the Arab League 14:14  |  yaakov sullivan 29/03/07
  40.   A great Saudi offer 14:16  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  41.   The so-called refugee problem 14:19  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  42.   haaretz what are these Indian Israel bashers posting here for? 14:20  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  43.   What didn`t change 14:21  |  Gee 29/03/07
  44.   lakshmi :"the pals have very little representation" 14:27  |  pundit 29/03/07
  45.   What are we waiting for? 14:29  |  Ralph 29/03/07
  46.   lakshmi the pakistanis and the pals are not dissimilar 14:31  |  pundit 29/03/07
  47.   Hello lakshmi & vijaya 14:34  |  angry sikh :( 29/03/07
  48.   Nearly all the cards have been dealt 14:35  |  Ronnie Wolman 29/03/07
  49.   lakshmi why would we hindu peoples 14:37  |  pundit 29/03/07
  50.   ali tosefta "saudi plan is an opening bid" 14:41  |  absum 29/03/07
  51.   ali tosefta "saudi plan is an opening bid" 14:41  |  absum 29/03/07
  52.   Palestine is becoming an irritation to the Arabs. 14:46  |  Akram Zekaria 29/03/07
  53.   To lakshmi 14:46  |  an indian-american 29/03/07
  54.   46#Pundit 14:46  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  55.   Waiting? 14:49  |  Mark Lincoln 29/03/07
  56.   INDIAN SECURITY FORCES TORTURE KASHMIRI REBELS!!! 14:49  |  alonitzafoni 29/03/07
  57.   20#Nerys 14:57  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  58.   39# The Irish identification with palestine 15:10  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  59.   Test of true intent of Arab `peace`...... 15:11  |  Jeff 29/03/07
  60.   #39 sullivan and the FREEDOM OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT 15:16  |  paul harris 29/03/07
  61.   Killing Israel softly with Arab peace-terms 15:17  |  Alicia 29/03/07
  62.   How will borders stop radical Islam? 15:20  |  McQueen 29/03/07
  63.   Why do you hate arabs and love Germans? 15:24  |  Marilyn 29/03/07
  64.   #41 Tosefta - now the Arabs have made you their spokesman? 15:25  |  McQueen 29/03/07
  65.   Zalman Shapira, this is a very thoughtful assessment. 15:26  |  Abu Moossa 29/03/07
  66.   Do you really think your intended audience will take their greedy 15:26  |  Apartheid 29/03/07
  67.   # The article`s major error 15:29  |  Bob 29/03/07
  68.   Survival against Islamic Ego and Arab Greed 15:29  |  B 29/03/07
  69.   #45 Ralph, definitely Soldier Shalit shouldbe free... 15:31  |  Hamza 29/03/07
  70.   Arabs dont offer peace. They offer war with words instead of gun 15:31  |  David 29/03/07
  71.   Beware, we know how Israel responds to the hand of peace 15:35  |  Ibrahim 29/03/07
  72.   Dear indians.... 15:35  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  73.   Maureen Ann the White occupier/settler, still did not answer .... 15:37  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  74.   lakshmi #18, 30 have you already solved the Kashmir issue? 15:40  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  75.   Then negotiate not with "Arabs" but their changing circumstances! 15:45  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  76.   "Desperate Arab cry for peace" 15:50  |  Charlie Abzug 29/03/07
  77.   lakshmi you used to be a peaceful Hindu, why then did you convert 15:52  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  78.   War is inevitable in Gaza....do it soon. 16:00  |  The Equalizer 29/03/07
  79.   Hi, hi,We couldn`t ask for better enemies than such foolish Jews! 16:00  |  Jalal 29/03/07
  80.   Marilyn 59# 16:03  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  81.   I`m here Johnboy ready to debate mate [1] 16:08  |  Daniel Leopold 29/03/07
  82.   This article is proof that Arabs need Peace more than Israel does 16:10  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  83.   McQueen on Tosefta #60 16:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 29/03/07
  84.   Fear and submission in the Middle East 16:13  |  Pilly 29/03/07
  85.   #47 Akram Zekaria 16:18  |  Johnboy 29/03/07
  86.   Fantasies (McQueen #60) 16:20  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  87.   Arab elites will face danger, Israel or nor 16:22  |  Mark B. 29/03/07
  88.   41 tosefta,Israel accepted 194 16:23  |  sara 29/03/07
  89.   I`m here Johnboy ready to debate mate [2] 16:28  |  Daniel Leopold 29/03/07
  90.   72# Charlie Abzing. 16:30  |  Akram Zekaria 29/03/07
  91.   49 Indo-American,your advice is not welcome 16:33  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  92.   Alon Fisher on the Irish #54 16:34  |  Yaakov Sullivan 29/03/07
  93.   42alon fisher,in case you have not noticed 16:39  |  sara 29/03/07
  94.   Ibrahim #67 we know that you think that everyone is as violent as 16:43  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  95.   zmogus the orientals never change 16:43  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  96.   zmogus categorical fallacy 16:45  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  97.   49 # not in your name? 16:51  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  98.   #27 wher does sullivsn GET IT FROM??? 16:52  |  paul harris 29/03/07
  99.   waiting for? 16:57  |  Harry 29/03/07
  100.   We want to keep our country intact, NOT arab dictators` promises 16:58  |  Feiglin Supporter 29/03/07
  101.   "lakshmi" is really a pakistani 16:58  |  an indian-american 29/03/07
  102.   answer to Joe, number 2 17:05  |  person 29/03/07
  103.   Israel and Resolution 194 (Sara #83) 17:05  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  104.   Chanan, don`t we all need peace equally? 17:12  |  Ibrahim 29/03/07
  105.   zmogus "the enemy never changes" 17:13  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  106.   74# kassam republic 17:14  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  107.   Daniel Leopold, I hope you are correct... 17:15  |  Ibrahim 29/03/07
  108.   zmogus "the enemy never changes" 17:15  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  109.   # 6 Cipora J.K re:1 Judith. THERE IS NO WAY.. 17:15  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  110.   zmogus "the enemy never changes" 17:17  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  111.   lakshmi charity starts at home 17:21  |  dimple kapadia 29/03/07
  112.   Suicide is not an Option 17:21  |  Alan Sip 29/03/07
  113.   #7 17:30  |  Moshe 29/03/07
  114.   a new trend? 17:32  |  person 29/03/07
  115.   So Johnboy #80, Israel needs to sacifice itself for the sake of . 17:37  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  116.   Correct 17:45  |  Danite 29/03/07
  117.   compare the german speaking refugees 17:46  |  absum 29/03/07
  118.   Mark B. #82 on the dot, very accurate. Shapira last opportunit 17:47  |  Toufik Druzi 29/03/07
  119.   Sadly Zalman is right, so is Marilyn 17:51  |  al 29/03/07
  120.   Israel needs peace even more than Arab dictators 17:51  |  Michael 29/03/07
  121.   zmogus the beastly behaviour of hizballah 17:55  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  122.   #102 read my bost again and you will find clues to your wondering 17:56  |  Jalal 29/03/07
  123.   You guys are incredible 17:56  |  Lebanese 29/03/07
  124.   zmogus "the enemy is different" 17:58  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  125.   42alon fisher,a muslim from India posted:Israel and India, 18:03  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  126.   ali tosefta "saudi opening bid" 18:03  |  absum 29/03/07
  127.   sullivan why did the pope side with the nazis in ww2? 18:06  |  sainthood 29/03/07
  128.   sullivan why did the pope kidnap a jewish child and thereafter 18:08  |  sainthood 29/03/07
  129.   Ibrahim #103 Jews want Peace more than Arabs do, but Arabs need 18:16  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  130.   #92, kiryat sefer. 18:17  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  131.   115# i`d like to add 18:19  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  132.   #104 one correction: It is broudly "Gaza Kassam Rebublic" do not 18:25  |  Jalal 29/03/07
  133.   Tosefta #103 18:26  |  Gee 29/03/07
  134.   # 98 an indian-american. re:lakshmi 18:28  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  135.   Toufik Druzi I am dying to know where you are from 18:32  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  136.   119 civilised 18:35  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  137.   122 please REMOVE 18:39  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  138.   If you are right and the present despotic Arab rulers 18:39  |  Chick Corea 29/03/07
  139.   123# and Lebanon 18:41  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  140.   to all Israel bashers 18:41  |  gilbert 29/03/07
  141.   #120 Michael what you are missing is that the Saudi offer won`t 18:47  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  142.   Danite #116: fine , Danite, but .. 18:48  |  Ivo 29/03/07
  143.   #108, kiryat sefer. Sure, insofar one needs an enemy! 18:51  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  144.   #110, kiryat sefer 18:56  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  145.   the chaose in Gaza is in the interest of Israel and made by israe 18:58  |  al 29/03/07
  146.   #124, kiryatr sefer 18:59  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  147.   Chanan nice and safe in the USA 19:01  |  Michael 29/03/07
  148.   LoGic (Gee #103) 19:03  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  149.   Tosefta,prior to that,the documentation ... 19:06  |  sara 29/03/07
  150.   # 80 Yaakov Sullivan.re:McQueen. OH I DO LIKE YOUR... 19:08  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  151.   Tosefta #40, 41 - you seem to be hopeful, but is it 19:13  |  dana 29/03/07
  152.   Chanan 19:21  |  Ivo 29/03/07
  153.   #102 person with no name or much thought 19:25  |  Joe 29/03/07
  154.   145 19:32  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  155.   Clueless Michael in UK, Even if Israel signs this there will stil 19:33  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  156.   Chanan #82 - you`re saying israel does not need peace/ 19:33  |  dana 29/03/07
  157.   zmogus who hizb represents is immaterial 19:34  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  158.   zmogus "assad butchering 20000 civilians" 19:35  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  159.   zmogus "europe fought among themselves" 19:38  |  kiryat sofer 29/03/07
  160.   o`sulivan 92 has a carbunkle 93 on the bum 19:38  |  Ari ben Yisrael 29/03/07
  161.   #125 lakshmi, why no Hindis in Pakistan? 19:39  |  Bob 29/03/07
  162.   zmogus gaza fires rockets because of the west bank 19:41  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  163.   You are right #145 what else can you expect from Arabs under.... 19:42  |  Chanan 29/03/07
  164.   # 125 lakshmi 19:42  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  165.   zmogus "or should pals strive for two national states" 19:45  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  166.   108 Kiryat Sefer Thank you for reminding me. Israel withdrew 19:47  |  Apartheid 29/03/07
  167.   zmogus we live here and we face the enemy 19:48  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  168.   Kath` Whew!! Was that all in one breath?? #80 19:50  |  Yaakov Sullivan 29/03/07
  169.   ali tosefta charges isreal with fraud 19:51  |  absum 29/03/07
  170.   # 136 Nerys. I ALMOST WANT TO CALL YOU... 19:53  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  171.   Optimism (Dana #151) 19:55  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  172.   ali tosefta and the united nations 19:58  |  absum 29/03/07
  173.   ali tosefta the united states made a committment 20:00  |  absum 29/03/07
  174.   ali tosefta the maritime nations 20:02  |  absum 29/03/07
  175.   153 20:03  |  Nerys 29/03/07
  176.   Lebanese, Tell me honestly that your statement was for Israel 20:04  |  Toufik Druzi 29/03/07
  177.   You would expect Israel... 20:04  |  Blogowitz 29/03/07
  178.   ali tosefta russia and egypt assured israel they would 20:05  |  absum 29/03/07
  179.   ali tosefta take your threats against israel 20:05  |  absum 29/03/07
  180.   Chanan, you sound like a dodgy 19th century imperialist 20:08  |  Michael 29/03/07
  181.   Fuzzy logic? or plain bs? 20:09  |  Gilbert 29/03/07
  182.   apartheid exactly so 20:11  |  kiryat sefer 29/03/07
  183.   What are we waiting for? Good question 20:11  |  Sharonelle 29/03/07
  184.   absum and more zionist propaganda #173 20:11  |  Yaakov Sullivan 29/03/07
  185.   dana and "paul may have had a stroke" 20:16  |  palheaven 29/03/07
  186.   Interpretation (Sara #149) 20:17  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  187.   What part of security guarentees Zionists don`t understand? 20:18  |  Joe 29/03/07
  188.   dana "reasons for the change in the arab poisition" 20:23  |  palheaven 29/03/07
  189.   dana"israel`s immobility and pig-headedness" 20:25  |  palheaven 29/03/07
  190.   Toofik Drawzy, for your information.... 20:25  |  Al Walid 29/03/07
  191.   dana"can isreal tough it out" 20:26  |  palheaven 29/03/07
  192.   #9 Star,There are a few delusional Aussys 20:30  |  TOMY 29/03/07
  193.   Chanan, the world is not convinced... 20:30  |  Ibrahim 29/03/07
  194.   marilyn...the arab world knows that palestinians don`t... 20:30  |  maria 29/03/07
  195.   Absum/Flushman is of the lesser "ron" variety, I (Mark Lincoln) 20:31  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  196.   tosefta the committments israel made to the un 20:33  |  yirmiyahu 29/03/07
  197.   Tosefta #148 20:33  |  Gee 29/03/07
  198.   Israel has no reason to negotiate. Why should they cede anything? 20:34  |  Toronto`s Finest 29/03/07
  199.   chanan....arabs main goal is....... 20:35  |  maria 29/03/07
  200.   Trying to understand Olmert 20:35  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  201.   120# Jalal :Thanks you for telling Israel is right. 20:38  |  Akram Zekaria 29/03/07
  202.   ?Legitimate borders? 20:38  |  KUTW 29/03/07
  203.   #120 Michael - alas, Israelis DO think they can hold out 20:39  |  dana 29/03/07
  204.   The Arab League 20:41  |  KUTW 29/03/07
  205.   # 140 gilbert.to all Israel bashers. OH I WOULD HAVE ACEPTED... 20:41  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  206.   197# Gee; on Space Station 7 - Wow 20:42  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  207.   15. American 20:53  |  KUTW 29/03/07
  208.   # 138 Chick Corea. IT LOOKS LIKE.......... 20:59  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  209.   do arabs really want peace? 21:02  |  maria 29/03/07
  210.   #140, gilbert. Bon voyage! (and yes, what was your point?) 21:03  |  zmogus 29/03/07
  211.   to PalHeaven, Jews have been for 2,500 years. You will NEVER win 21:04  |  David 29/03/07
  212.   # 206 Tosefta. re:Gee. GOSH ANOTHER ONE SENT OUT... 21:10  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  213.   55# Mark Lincoln : I am `waiting ?` too ! 21:12  |  Akram Zekaria 29/03/07
  214.   Toufik Druzi 21:14  |  Lebanese 29/03/07
  215.   do arabs really want peace #209 21:15  |  Sharonelle 29/03/07
  216.   What are we waiting for? `Peace without borders` P1 21:17  |  TonyL 29/03/07
  217.   #205 Kath 21:18  |  Gilbert 29/03/07
  218.   What are we waiting for? `Peace without borders` P2 21:21  |  TonyL 29/03/07
  219.   203 Dana - I think things may be changing 21:23  |  Michael 29/03/07
  220.   #148, Tosefta 21:23  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  221.   Tosefta #40: see if you can pass the mirror-image test, - 21:27  |  Ivo 29/03/07
  222.   When Pals Serious About Peace, They`ll Call 21:28  |  Peter 29/03/07
  223.   #150 Kath* 21:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  224.   #206, Tosefta 21:56  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  225.   If Israel is founded on racism, what are the Arab countries on? 21:59  |  William 29/03/07
  226.   Al Walid 190- Ahlan washlan-Tell me how many Doctors 22:01  |  Taufik Druzy 29/03/07
  227.   Haaretz, please, where are my 3 posts? 22:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  228.   World to Israel: Hamas is GOOD; Israel is Bully 22:19  |  Lisa 29/03/07
  229.   63#Because the Germans dont want to kill us anymore 22:20  |  simple answer 29/03/07
  230.   SHORTSIGHTED POLICY 22:25  |  Ah 29/03/07
  231.   What are we waiting for? P1 22:28  |  TonyL 29/03/07
  232.   125#lLakshmi where is your basis for your accusations? 22:31  |  Alon Fisher 29/03/07
  233.   What are we waiting for? P2 22:32  |  TonyL 29/03/07
  234.   1O1 indian american,read alon fisher,a muslim from India 22:33  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  235.   Europe & the problem with Muslim population 22:36  |  T 29/03/07
  236.   lakshmi is a new... 22:37  |  Ah 29/03/07
  237.   111dimple k,you obviously don`t know much about the Palestinians 22:41  |  lakshmi 29/03/07
  238.   ali tosefta glad you told me the olmert shamir story 22:42  |  gadalyah 29/03/07
  239.   tosefta quotes jim baker 22:46  |  flashman 29/03/07
  240.   The War on Radical Islam is Working 22:59  |  Jane 29/03/07
  241.   #185 - palheaven today, rrw/harzion/whatever yesterday 23:02  |  dana 29/03/07
  242.   # 168 re Kath.... 23:10  |  Lynn 29/03/07
  243.   #34Equalizer Great News...for you. 23:15  |  Maureen Ann 29/03/07
  244.   Michael #219 - good points, but still not enough trust 23:17  |  dana 29/03/07
  245.   In support of Lakshmi. 23:17  |  Gandhian. 29/03/07
  246.   dana is such a phony 23:18  |  yirmiyahu 29/03/07
  247.   #239 Flashman/hydra/Pappabull/??? 23:20  |  Labhras 29/03/07
  248.   dana saw a programme on the "sky islands" 23:21  |  yirmiyahu 29/03/07
  249.   dana "perpetual belligerence is not good for any country" 23:23  |  yirmiyahu 29/03/07
  250.   #191 - palheaven and the swarm - you tough guy, you 23:25  |  dana 29/03/07
  251.   #148, Tosefta, post script 23:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 29/03/07
  252.   #170 KITTY HAWKISH 23:28  |  Labhras 29/03/07
  253.   Wow (Dense Bird from Outerspace #220) 23:29  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  254.   prague ivo is certainly original 23:39  |  czechmate 29/03/07
  255.   You are not getting it (Ivo #239) 23:43  |  Tosefta 29/03/07
  256.   # 223 *Cipora Julianna Kohn. 23:53  |  Kath` 29/03/07
  257.   #212 Kitty" hawk" 23:54  |  Labhras 29/03/07
  258.   Israel Enters "The Last Chance Saloon. 23:58  |  Labhras 29/03/07
  259.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #223 re: Kath 00:08  |  TonyL 30/03/07
  260.   Ivo Hello 00:17  |  Danite 30/03/07
  261.   dana 00:20  |  Danite 30/03/07
  262.   #dana. You said it all! 00:22  |  Maureen Ann 30/03/07
  263.   # 241 Maureen, what does that have to do with the price of tea in 00:35  |  The Equalizer 30/03/07
  264.   # 210 zmogus. re:gilbert.Bon voyage! AND WHAT IS YOURS? 00:47  |  Kath` 30/03/07
  265.   #253, Tosefta 00:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/03/07
  266.   Ah and lakshmi 00:55  |  Gilbert 30/03/07
  267.   They are both irrelevant 00:57  |  Mark Lincoln 30/03/07
  268.   czechmate #249: thanks, czechmate, - 00:59  |  Ivo 30/03/07
  269.   Interpretation provided (Ivo #221) 01:06  |  Tosefta 30/03/07
  270.   #247 labhras - would you like to trade? 01:18  |  dana 30/03/07
  271.   Taufik Druzy: good posts, Taufik - 01:21  |  Ivo 30/03/07
  272.   # 243 Ghandian. re: lakshmi .................... 01:23  |  Kath` 30/03/07
  273.   #221 Ivo 01:40  |  Labhras 30/03/07
  274.   #260 Danite 01:48  |  Labhras 30/03/07
  275.   #262, Kath` 01:48  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  276.   Ibrahim-#107-You know I am correct 01:52  |  Daniel Leopold 30/03/07
  277.   lakshmi and the likes of him 01:54  |  Gilbert 30/03/07
  278.   The looming threat of radicalism 01:56  |  Larry 30/03/07
  279.   #89 Daniel, this is where we disagree 01:58  |  Johnboy 30/03/07
  280.   The looming threat of radicalism Part 2 03:03  |  Larry 30/03/07
  281.   Marilyn-#63-Who`s hating whom? 03:05  |  Daniel Leopold 30/03/07
  282.   #240 Jane, I hate to tell you.... 03:06  |  Johnboy 30/03/07
  283.   Danite, where do you get take it or leave it? 03:06  |  Ibrahim 30/03/07
  284.   Marilyn-#63-Close enough 03:10  |  Daniel Leopold 30/03/07
  285.   Tosefta #255: I see you have no sense of humour, - 03:18  |  Ivo 30/03/07
  286.   #210 zmogus 03:25  |  Gilbert 30/03/07
  287.   #266 dana game set and match 03:31  |  Labhras 30/03/07
  288.   1)85# Johnboy. Change of realities today. 03:42  |  Akram Zekaria 30/03/07
  289.   Tosefta did you know that out of 1987 resolutions half were 03:52  |  Water 30/03/07
  290.   Response to Kath -- Gandhi on Israel. 03:57  |  Gandhian 30/03/07
  291.   Dana #241 03:59  |  Reid 30/03/07
  292.   Toronto`s Finest - Poor Saudis? Na 04:01  |  Jane 30/03/07
  293.   Dana # 241 Part II 04:06  |  Reid 30/03/07
  294.   Dana in NY - Why So Hateful? 04:07  |  Jane 30/03/07
  295.   2)85# Johnboy.Change of realities today. 04:09  |  Akram Zekaria 30/03/07
  296.   Israel a Superpower? 04:10  |  Jane 30/03/07
  297.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #265 re: Tosefta P1 04:12  |  TonyL 30/03/07
  298.   Israel`s Right to Exist 04:15  |  Reid 30/03/07
  299.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #265 re: Tosefta P2 04:20  |  TonyL 30/03/07
  300.   Wow wow, manipulation (Dense Bird from Outerspace #265) 04:21  |  Tosefta 30/03/07
  301.   Arabs still as radical as pre-1967 04:21  |  RAB 30/03/07
  302.   3)85# Johnboy.Change of realities today. 04:31  |  Akram Zekaria 30/03/07
  303.   Antis who say Israel has a right to exist 04:38  |  Reid 30/03/07
  304.   #222 Peter.Yes, in Israel "business as usual" from New York? 05:04  |  Toronto`s Finest 30/03/07
  305.   Kath #268 India under England = palestine under israel 05:25  |  dana 30/03/07
  306.   TOO LATE TO STOP ISLAM 05:29  |  SAM 30/03/07
  307.   Tosefta 06:12  |  Danite 30/03/07
  308.   dana in new york....you wrote:india under england.. 06:16  |  maria 30/03/07
  309.   #Chanan, Alon Fisher and Equalizer... 06:17  |  Maureen Ann 30/03/07
  310.   #283, Tosefta 06:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/03/07
  311.   #288, dana to Kath* 06:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 30/03/07
  312.   Toronto`s Finest # 304 07:05  |  Reid 30/03/07
  313.   Maureen Ann # 309 07:08  |  Reid 30/03/07
  314.   SAM#306 08:21  |  JOJO 30/03/07
  315.   93#Sara 08:40  |  Alon Fisher 30/03/07
  316.   245#colonialism??? 08:51  |  Alon Fisher 30/03/07
  317.   #303 Reid, a point of order, if you please... 09:03  |  Johnboy 30/03/07
  318.   #302 Sorry Akram, can`t agree 09:15  |  Johnboy 30/03/07
  319.   #306 Sam 09:27  |  Infidel 30/03/07
  320.   #301 RAB, look at it from the other side 09:31  |  Johnboy 30/03/07
  321.   170# toda raba meod! 09:35  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  322.   #18 Lakshmi 09:37  |  Infidel 30/03/07
  323.   the inevitable 09:43  |  arif sayed 30/03/07
  324.   A story a story anything for a story 10:18  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 30/03/07
  325.   315 10:21  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  326.   306 10:23  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  327.   oh YES! an alliance! 10:34  |  eric 30/03/07
  328.   Reid #291, 293 _ I understand what you are saying, but 10:40  |  dana 30/03/07
  329.   Reid part II - on convergence and other creatures 10:51  |  dana 30/03/07
  330.   Marilyn, hater of Germans and Jews 10:54  |  Johann 30/03/07
  331.   Reid part III - so what`s there to do? 11:03  |  dana 30/03/07
  332.   to Jane 294 11:07  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  333.   jane #294 - what hatred are you talking about/ 11:14  |  dana 30/03/07
  334.   #308 Maria - I have no idea why you are bringing up 11:24  |  dana 30/03/07
  335.   #267 Mark Lincoln, another winner 11:36  |  dana 30/03/07
  336.   Now or Never 4 Israel 11:41  |  Youssef Al-Ibrahimi 30/03/07
  337.   331 12:08  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  338.   334 12:20  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  339.   Dana digging in 12:37  |  Jasmine Murphy 30/03/07
  340.   Youssef Al-Ibrahimi 12:46  |  Jasmine Murphy 30/03/07
  341.   262 Maurinne Anne 14:06  |  Harry 30/03/07
  342.   Maurinne Anne 14:14  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  343.   Maurinne Anne 1 more thing 14:21  |  Nerys 30/03/07
  344.   #286, Gilbert. Oh, I thought you were talking Israel 14:25  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  345.   267# Mark Lincoln. Thanks to the Weapons of Mass Distruction. 14:44  |  Akram Zekaria 30/03/07
  346.   #157, kiryat sefer. Did you pass successfully the `mirror stage`? 14:44  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  347.   On nudniks (Cipora #310) 15:01  |  Tosefta 30/03/07
  348.   #158, kiryat sefer. massacres of the "Orientals" 15:15  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  349.   #162, kiryat sefer. receiving ends of bullets and WB policies 15:33  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  350.   #165, kiryat sefer. Looks like we`re in agreement on that 15:39  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  351.   #167, kiryat sefer. Next time a short disclaimer won`t hurt 16:03  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  352.   #308, maria. Forgive my straightforwardness, but... 16:43  |  zmogus 30/03/07
  353.   245 GANDHIAN,thankyou,Gandhian values will prevail 20:18  |  lakshmi 30/03/07
  354.   Zmogus with his typical spam and run 21:01  |  David Teich 30/03/07
  355.   319 INFIDEL Relax about the 1.5 billion Muslims! 21:29  |  lakshmi 30/03/07
  356.   zmogus....you don`t know what I meant