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The five members of the Winograd Committee. (Avi Ohayon)
Last update - 15:50 23/03/2007
Member of war probe: Restraint eroded IDF deterrence
By Nir Hasson and Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondents

The Winograd Committee investigating the Second Lebanon War released on Thursday the transcripts of three testimonies heard by the panel. In one of them, a member of the committee, Major General (res.) Menahem Einan, notes that Israel's policy of restraint along the northern border in the years before the war contributed to the erosion of Israel's deterrent against Hezbollah.

In another of the testimonies, Vice Premier Shimon Peres said he would not have embarked on the war in Lebanon last July if he were in charge.

Peres was quick to contain the impact of the revelations last night and said his comments were taken out of context.

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"Very partial segments of the transcripts were released ... When I was asked by the committee why I did not vote against [the war] I said that I saw a Prime Minister conducting things in difficult days and I commend him for that, and it is my duty as a citizen to enable him to carry out his duty and express my reservations but support him without hesitation. And my support continues to this day," Peres said Thursday night.

The committee released to the public segments of transcripts of three of the first testimonies it heard, which also include those of former Military Intelligence chief Amos Malka, and Arnon Ben-Ami, head of the Emergency Economy Administration.

The committee is also planning to release next week segments of the transcripts of the testimony of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz and wartime chief of staff Dan Halutz.

This is the first stage before the publication of all the transcripts, once they are examined and edited by the security and military censorship. The committee agreed to release them following growing pressure from the Supreme Court, which warned on Thursday that any delay in their publication is tantamount to contempt of court.

During the testimony of Malka, Einan asked him about Israel's policy of restraint in the North, the pullout from southern Lebanon in May 2000 and the period up to the abduction of the two soldiers and the outbreak of war in July 2006.

Einan argued that the abduction of three soldiers at Har Dov in October 2000 was a "crossing of a line."

"Between that time and up to the abduction on July 12 there were more such incidents, and again, the IDF reaction was limited, and almost became an idee fixe. I will call it a worldview, or a policy that is called 'containment' in military terminology," Einan said.

He blamed this on the loss of deterrent and said the "rules of the game" that Israel established in the North favored Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Einan drops the qualifying "almost" in his reference to an idee fixe, and in a conversation among two senior IDF professionals, during Malka's testimony, there is a general understanding that the parallel drawn is to Military Intelligence's views prior to the Yom Kippur War, which was later described as one of the main reasons for the failures of the war.

According to the segments of the testimony released, Peres said that "were it up to me, I would not have gone into this war."

In addition to criticism of the decision to go to war, Peres also opposed the speech of Prime Minister Olmert in which he pinpointed objectives for the war.

"I would also not have made a list of objectives for the war. We had no objective because we did not initiate the war. We were attacked and we needed to fend off the attack. That is it. If you say that the main objective of the war is to free the abducted [soldiers], you leave yourself vulnerable to the whims of your enemies. Why would you want to say that?"

Regarding the heavy criticism against the government, Peres explained that "war is a difficult thing and you do not control all situations, there are many surprises. War is a competition of making mistakes, when the biggest mistake is the actual war, and whoever wants to avoid mistakes must avoid going to war, to be drawn into it, to think thousands of times before doing so," Peres said.

In his opinion, the IDF was not prepared for the war. "I believe the army entered the war tired, because it has been involved in a war that is not a war [fighting terrorism in the territories] which lacks glory and victories. It comprises effort and preventing disaster. And it is exhausting."

However, Peres was unequivocal about his evaluation of the war. "It is impossible to say that this was a failed war, and it cannot be said that it was a successful war. It did not fail because in the end Hezbollah is still unable to explain why it went to war. Not even to its own people."

Meanwhile, to maximize the impact of the Winograd Committee's findings with a rally in which the public might call for the implementation of the committee's conclusions or the resignation of the government, Uzi Dayan, chairman of the Tafnit movement, has booked Rabin Square in Tel Aviv. Dayan booked the venue for a number of possible dates during the second half of April, at which time the committee's interim report is expected to be made available to the public.

The organizers of the rally at Rabin Square would like to be able to attract to the event hundreds of thousands, possibly repeating the mythical "the demonstration of 400,000" following the Sabra and Shatila massacres in 1982.

Dayan told Haaretz on Thursday that the rally will be organized by a "civilian coalition" that will comprise organizations of bereaved families, reservist soldiers and intellectuals. However, Dayan also invited the heads of some of the opposition parties, including Benjamin Netanyahu of Likud, Yossi Beilin of Meretz, as well as Ami Ayalon and Ehud Barak, both challengers of Defense Minister Amir Peretz for the leadership of Labor.

So far, Barak rejected the invitation. Sources close to the former prime ministers said that there is no point to rush with declarations and early commitments.

"We should wait for the committee's conclusions. There is no point to rush ahead," the sources said.

For his part, Netanyahu told Haaretz on Thursday night that he does not discount the possibility that he will address the rally.

Yossi Verter, Jack Khoury and Yuval Yoaz contributed to this report.

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  2.   Never has a country been so deluded 04:10  |  Marilyn 23/03/07
  3.   to # 2 05:27  |  Joe 23/03/07
  4.   "Lacks glory and victories"...and 05:34  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  5.   The IDF today is a police force not an army 05:35  |  zionist forever 23/03/07
  6.   Why do we go out of our way to save innocent civilians life? 05:51  |  Dan 23/03/07
  7.   MARYLIN.Your side does not get away with the endless attempts. 06:06  |  PETER SM 23/03/07
  8.   It`s Time 06:17  |  Jack 23/03/07
  9.   IDF 06:22  |  Samuel 23/03/07
  10.   What War??? It was The Lebanon Surrender 06:30  |  Dr Dave 23/03/07
  11.   No Innocent Lebanese 07:06  |  Efox 23/03/07
  12.   re: Marilyn 07:07  |  Efox 23/03/07
  13.   re: Joe 07:12  |  Efox 23/03/07
  14.   #6 Hey Dan; sounds like you have it all planned 07:49  |  ballistic 23/03/07
  15.   #4 Maureen Ann - Delusional 07:51  |  * BEN JABO 23/03/07
  16.   Dr. Dave #10, say what kind of Dr. are you? 07:56  |  ballistic 23/03/07
  17.   Restraint 09:30  |  Choni Davidowitz 23/03/07
  18.   To Samuel #9 09:37  |  S 23/03/07
  19.   opportunities lost 09:46  |  chaim 23/03/07
  20.   To Marilyn #2 09:57  |  S 23/03/07
  21.   Maureen Anne @4 09:58  |  Zelkha 23/03/07
  22.   ballistic "and what you jews are about" 10:39  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  23.   einan is quite right restraint is the problem 11:11  |  flashman 23/03/07
  24.   now if we had a professional army 11:15  |  flashman 23/03/07
  25.   Restraint is Strength 11:16  |  Beni 23/03/07
  26.   Next time, no more Mr Nice Guy in Southern Lebanon. LOL! 11:24  |  Clickfool 23/03/07
  27.   re schiff on the lebanon war 11:30  |  flashman 23/03/07
  28.   The mythical "400,000" is just a story 11:47  |  Ilan 23/03/07
  29.   # 11 11:50  |  johnnymac 23/03/07
  30.   Marilyn - Why do you care about the details of 12:11  |  Rita 23/03/07
  31.   To Joe #3 12:15  |  Fedup 23/03/07
  32.   #Zelkha "War atrocities." 12:32  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  33.   Very True 12:53  |  isratinian 23/03/07
  34.   Israel and its new generation weapons 12:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 23/03/07
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  37.   ballistic and an arab poet 600ad 13:49  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  38.   maureen ann 13:52  |  aussiemystery 23/03/07
  39.   Maureen Anne 13:57  |  Zelkha 23/03/07
  40.   #15 *BEN JABO 2nd attempt. 13:58  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  41.   COMPASSION 14:05  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  42.   To Margie in TA 14:06  |  Mark B. 23/03/07
  43.   ballistic arab slave trading predated the european by 14:07  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  44.   ballistic the arab slave trade was concentrated on east africa 14:11  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  45.   Our Best Strategy 14:18  |  Terry 23/03/07
  46.   ballistic who were the biggest slave traders? 14:20  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  47.   To #27. I agree but mabye for a while 14:21  |  isratinian 23/03/07
  48.   ballistic we should all salute britain 14:22  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
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  50.   ballistic present arab attitudes to blacks 14:32  |  barry goldwater 23/03/07
  51.   every powerfull 14:54  |  sami 23/03/07
  52.   No holds barred and no restraintand no political correctness 14:58  |  The Equalizer 23/03/07
  53.   DETERRANCE 14:58  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  54.   The IDF today is a police force not an army 15:02  |  Mark Lincoln 23/03/07
  55.   MaurenAnn # 4 gets a liars punishment 15:02  |  The Equalizer 23/03/07
  56.   mark lincoln"the idfs task is oppressing the pals" 15:16  |  giora grinstein 23/03/07
  57.   #2 Marylin 15:16  |  Itsik 23/03/07
  58.   why did the kuwaitis expel 500000 palestinians 15:19  |  mystery 23/03/07
  59.   Israel wake up and see the trees 15:28  |  morice 23/03/07
  60.   51#SAMI 15:39  |  alonitzafoni 23/03/07
  61.   54#PROTECTING YOURSELF IS A CRIME ACCORDING TOO MARK LINCOLN 15:43  |  alonitzafoni 23/03/07
  62.   #39Zelkha, your ally (USA) at the My Lai... 15:49  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  63.   Mystery 15:53  |  Walid 23/03/07
  64.   It was a no win situation 15:54  |  Ronnie Wolman 23/03/07
  65.   #Aussiemystery? Mentioning war atrocities... 15:58  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  66.   Maureen 16:08  |  Neal 23/03/07
  67.   40 years of occupation erroded IDF military deterrence 16:14  |  Rachel 23/03/07
  68.   Walid and Mystery #63 16:16  |  Gabe1 23/03/07
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  70.   Marilyn, is Rita, # 30, correct about your view of 16:21  |  Gadi 23/03/07
  71.   IDF ERODED BY ACCEPTANCE OF PAL NARRATIVE AND OSLO 16:25  |  B 23/03/07
  72.   #40 Maureen Ann - Clusters quan. were Marilyn`s lie 16:28  |  * BEN JABO 23/03/07
  73.   Walid from the dangerous arab city of Beirut 16:46  |  Tamir Gaza 23/03/07
  74.   #6 Dan the Victim 16:46  |  Labhras 23/03/07
  75.   The survival of Israel among barbaric 16:47  |  TOMY 23/03/07
  76.   #38 Aussiemystery 16:53  |  Labhras 23/03/07
  77.   #69 Maureen, nobody is afraid that democracy 16:55  |  TOMY 23/03/07
  78.   #59 Morice 16:58  |  Labhras 23/03/07
  79.   The "detterence was eroded" excuse 17:04  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  80.   BEN of the capitals 17:14  |  Marilyn 23/03/07
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  82.   Israel? 17:19  |  Mike 23/03/07
  83.   RE # 2,15, 32,69 MAUREEN ANN P2 17:19  |  Alberto Cohen 23/03/07
  84.   Barry Goldwater on slaves 17:23  |  fk 23/03/07
  85.   sami # 51 You Have a Long Wait 17:33  |  Jeff Northridge 23/03/07
  86.   Who started the war, or: Peres fantasies 17:37  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  87.   #22 Say there Barry; do you talk to any other 17:38  |  ballistic 23/03/07
  88.   re # 75 Tosefta - Arab Nations percetion of restrain ! 17:41  |  Alberto Cohen 23/03/07
  89.   #73TOMY While I am thankful... 17:46  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
  90.   Choni Davidowitz 17:48  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  91.   Marilyn boldy LYING again 17:51  |  Alex 23/03/07
  92.   Who started the war, or: Peres fantasies 18:06  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  93.   #79 Marilyn 18:06  |  Zelkha 23/03/07
  94.   #Paul Harris There are many forms of "democracy." 18:09  |  Maureen Ann 23/03/07
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  96.   Grand theories and a particular case (Alberto Cohen #88) 19:06  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  97.   #86, "not every boreder incident justifies going to war" 19:08  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/03/07
  98.   #89 Maureen, Your selfrightesness 19:14  |  TOMY 23/03/07
  99.   BARRY RE BALLISTIC 19:15  |  tad 23/03/07
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  103.   Gabe1 19:39  |  CHGODMK 23/03/07
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  108.   Ari Ben Israel #98 20:12  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  109.   #24 Flashman - the problem isn`t 20:13  |  * BEN JABO 23/03/07
  110.   IDF and restraint 20:13  |  cato the younger 23/03/07
  111.   # 52 The Equilizer. NO HOLDS BARRED,AND ........ 20:43  |  Kath` 23/03/07
  112.   Marilyn # 79 also gets the LIARS PUNISHMENT 20:43  |  The Equalizer 23/03/07
  113.   CHGODMK 20:44  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  114.   #86, "if you don`t make a list of objectives" 20:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/03/07
  115.   labhras # 78 20:50  |  morice 23/03/07
  116.   # 59 moris. I AGREE.BUT, IT HAS TO BE DONE ... 20:53  |  Kath` 23/03/07
  117.   restraint in war is the disease of our time in the West 21:00  |  Steve 23/03/07
  118.   THE ENEMY WITHIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 21:00  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  119.   Casus belli (Jeff Northridge #99) 21:03  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  120.   # 59 Moris. AN ADDENDUM PLEASE READ.. 21:05  |  Kath` 23/03/07
  121.   #67 Uh, oh, Rachel; I guess that thrashing Kath 21:15  |  ballistic 23/03/07
  122.   #48 Hey Barry; where are you; just when some 21:19  |  ballistic 23/03/07
  123.   CHGODMK # 101 That`s Right 21:52  |  Jeff Northridge 23/03/07
  124.   COMMON SENSE, ANYONE? 22:01  |  JOJO 23/03/07
  125.   CHGODMK #101 22:15  |  GABE1 23/03/07
  126.   giora grinstein 22:17  |  Mark Lincoln 23/03/07
  127.   All Caps, the mark of a deranged mind 22:22  |  Mark Lincoln 23/03/07
  128.   All Caps, the mark of a deranged mind 22:22  |  Mark Lincoln 23/03/07
  129.   Tell us something we don`t know (Bird from Outerspace #95) 22:41  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  130.   Casus belli (Jeff Northridge #99) 22:42  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  131.   *BEN JABO # 107 SNAFU & FUBAR 22:43  |  Jeff Northridge 23/03/07
  132.   Reality and its discontents (Dense Bird from Outerspace #112) 23:14  |  Tosefta 23/03/07
  133.   #126, there is a lot you don`t know 23:49  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 23/03/07
  134.   labras # 78 00:02  |  morice 24/03/07
  135.   ben jabo the israel air force is magic 00:10  |  flashman 24/03/07
  136.   ben jabo logistics and stores 00:13  |  flashman 24/03/07
  137.   Tosefta # 113 So What? 00:14  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  138.   #130 Tosefta 00:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  139.   tosefta "she must be an escapee from mars" 00:28  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  140.   tosefta "then how come the idf expects another war this summer" 00:34  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  141.   tosefta "nasrallah gained deterrence and israel lost 00:41  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  142.   tosefta it is you who has learnt nothing from the lebanon war 00:43  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  143.   tosefta the shia clerics in south lebanon 00:50  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  144.   tosefta this was nasrallah`s answer 00:53  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  145.   tosefta put yourself in nasrallah`s place 00:58  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  146.   re: johnnymac 00:59  |  Efox 24/03/07
  147.   and tosefta what is most important 01:04  |  fairandbalanced 24/03/07
  148.   # 134 *Cipora Julianna Kohn* WELL PUT BIRD OF "PARADISE".. 01:07  |  Kath` 24/03/07
  149.   ms kohn your views are very readable and entirely to the point 01:11  |  anabelle markus 24/03/07
  150.   #135 Flashman - I must correct you 01:24  |  * BEN JABO 24/03/07
  151.   fk you are dreaming 01:33  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  152.   fk the jews and christians in the arab world were minorities 01:35  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  153.   fk"slavery abolished in the middle east" 01:38  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  154.   walid the numbers expelled from kuwait 01:45  |  mystery 24/03/07
  155.   ballistic what i find difficult to fathom 01:51  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  156.   Subjects for arguments (Jeff Northridge #137) 02:34  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  157.   ben jabo it is of course true that most enter the army 02:47  |  flashman 24/03/07
  158.   ben jabo it is true that the 20 year old soldier 02:57  |  flashman 24/03/07
  159.   ben jabo "i dont believe there is an army that pays 03:01  |  flashman 24/03/07
  160.   # 154 mystery. re: Walid. WHY APPALLING? 03:34  |  Kath` 24/03/07
  161.   Barry Goldwater 03:36  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  162.   Tosefta - Olmert thinks? 03:40  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  163.   #148, Kath* 03:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  164.   Fair and Psychotic 03:44  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  165.   #149, annabelle markus 04:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  166.   #162, Mark Lincoln 04:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  167.   Jeff Northridge: I Agree Completely 04:42  |  CHGODMK 24/03/07
  168.   The problem with the war 05:19  |  Danite 24/03/07
  169.   Correction 05:36  |  Danite 24/03/07
  170.   CHGODMK 05:38  |  Danite 24/03/07
  171.   #115 Morice 05:44  |  Labhras 24/03/07
  172.   # 6 to dan in haifa 06:45  |  eric 24/03/07
  173.   Tosefta # 156 Age. Fac Ut Gaudearn! 06:45  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  174.   #173 Jeff Northridge 07:15  |  Labhras 24/03/07
  175.   # 11 hey efox in socorro 07:15  |  eric 24/03/07
  176.   Mark Lincoln # 162 I Hate War 07:17  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  177.   #66Neal Was Iraq responsible for 9/11 07:33  |  Maureen Ann 24/03/07
  178.   #167 Chgodmk 07:58  |  Labhras 24/03/07
  179.   # 72 ben jabo; your same old line is growing old 08:34  |  eric 24/03/07
  180.   #81/83 Alberto Cohen. The M.E. has become more... 08:47  |  Maureen Ann 24/03/07
  181.   the most TELLING part of this headline... 09:05  |  eric 24/03/07
  182.   # 155 barry goldwater; what i find difficult to fathom 09:23  |  eric 24/03/07
  183.   Labhras # 174 Penn Valley Is Doing Fine 09:25  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  184.   eric is "laughable and disgusting" 10:32  |  jaccuse 24/03/07
  185.   eric are you arguing that israel is high tech? 10:44  |  jaccuse 24/03/07
  186.   #181 ERIC STILL ON MAGIC MUSHROOMS 10:51  |  paul harris 24/03/07
  187.   6 When the Israeli killing machine is fighting, the action should 13:33  |  Apartheid 24/03/07
  188.   Cipora Julianna Kohn - Thank you for your excellent 13:42  |  An admirer 24/03/07
  189.   #177 & Moron-Ann was ISRAEL responsible 13:44  |  Ari ben Yisrael 24/03/07
  190.   Danite #170 13:45  |  CHGODMK 24/03/07
  191.   Labhras #178: Euro-Crybaby 13:52  |  CHGODMK 24/03/07
  192.   "Prosthetic limb-fitting centers in Southern Lebanon are struggli 14:05  |  Apartheid 24/03/07
  193.   # 146 14:19  |  johnnymac 24/03/07
  194.   #190 CHDONK 14:23  |  Labhras 24/03/07
  195.   Olmert and objectives (Mark Lincoln #162; and the Bird) 15:11  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  196.   Jeff Northridge 15:17  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  197.   It did not Danite 15:25  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  198.   Cipora - On Hole Flapping - I agree 15:31  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  199.   The Uses of War 15:36  |  Mark Lincoln 24/03/07
  200.   # 192 Aparteid...you lumped me into a group 15:49  |  The Equalizer 24/03/07
  201.   Mark Lincoln, I disagree many times, but always respect 15:53  |  The Equalizer 24/03/07
  202.   #196 A REMARKABLE POST FROM LINCOLN 16:00  |  paul harris 24/03/07
  203.   Mark Lincoln # 196 about war and peace 16:02  |  The Equalizer 24/03/07
  204.   Hizballah`s mistake? (Mark Lincoln #198) 16:55  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  205.   #159 - Flashman 17:11  |  * BEN JABO 24/03/07
  206.   #192 MORAL OF THE STORY DONT START SOMETHING YOU CANT FINISH 17:17  |  paul harris 24/03/07
  207.   ben jabo look it this way 17:57  |  flashman 24/03/07
  208.   ben jabo israel has to be original in its incentives 18:03  |  flashman 24/03/07
  209.   Mark Lincoln 18:13  |  Danite 24/03/07
  210.   Margie #34 18:21  |  Guido 24/03/07
  211.   Mark Lincoln # 196 The Goal of War 18:22  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  212.   ben jabo please recall the 1973 war 18:24  |  flashman 24/03/07
  213.   equaliser you need not justify yourself to jew haters 18:27  |  orangejuice 24/03/07
  214.   Years of restraint... 18:45  |  Sharonell 24/03/07
  215.   flashman 18:51  |  danite 24/03/07
  216.   Pity the poor IDF 19:00  |  tadchase 24/03/07
  217.   tosefta "hizb won this war" 19:03  |  flashman 24/03/07
  218.   tosefta "hizb has gained deterrence" 19:06  |  flashman 24/03/07
  219.   tosefta "the idf anticipates another hizb war" 19:08  |  flashman 24/03/07
  220.   Lebanon II, a good war 19:12  |  Jason 24/03/07
  221.   tosefta and the kibbutznik 19:13  |  flashman 24/03/07
  222.   # 192 Apartheid 19:39  |  ChanahS 24/03/07
  223.   *BEN JABO # 205 You Don`t Know Squat 19:49  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  224.   #182 Hey there Eric; read your post 19:49  |  ballistic 24/03/07
  225.   #184 Hey Jaccuse; gee, man, you 19:56  |  ballistic 24/03/07
  226.   209 attacking a military patrol and capturing 2 soldiers is not a 20:04  |  Apartheid 24/03/07
  227.   Mark Lincoln RE: 201 The Equalizer 20:11  |  tadchase 24/03/07
  228.   Age (Jeff Northridge #173) 20:17  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  229.   204 Tosefta 20:37  |  tadchase 24/03/07
  230.   abdulla tosefta cairo egypt 20:38  |  flashman 24/03/07
  231.   # 204 Tosefta. SORRY DEAR MAN,YOU HAVE BECOME BORING.. 20:39  |  Kath` 24/03/07
  232.   Age (Jeff Northridge #173) 20:43  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  233.   yes yes ballistic but what about your brethren 20:45  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  234.   ballistic your arab slavemasters are happy with you 20:48  |  barry goldwater 24/03/07
  235.   re: eric 20:48  |  Efox 24/03/07
  236.   #192 Apartheid 20:56  |  tadchase 24/03/07
  237.   #198, Mark Lincoln 21:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  238.   #188, an admirer 21:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  239.   tadchase # 209 Oh, Cat Barf! 21:11  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  240.   APARTEID.Opening fire on Israel by Lebs with a salvo of shrapnell 21:23  |  PETER SM 24/03/07
  241.   What counts for victory (Tadchase #229) 21:51  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  242.   Age (Kathy #231) 21:58  |  Tosefta 24/03/07
  243.   Hey there Barry; boy, did you 22:05  |  ballistic 24/03/07
  244.   #234 Hey Barry, apparently my Jewish 22:12  |  ballistic 24/03/07
  245.   APARTEID Lebs killing their last 4 Israeli captives showed what? 22:20  |  PETER SM 24/03/07
  246.   Tosefta # 228 Ave Caesar! Nos Morituri Te Salutamus 22:30  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  247.   #226 APRTHEID LIVES IN CLOUD CUCKOO LAND 22:40  |  paul harris 24/03/07
  248.   #216 Tadchase 22:48  |  Labhras 24/03/07
  249.   #231, Kath* 1 23:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  250.   #231, Kath* 2 23:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 24/03/07
  251.   Cipora Julianna Kohn # 238 Are You Spoken For? 23:34  |  Jeff Northridge 24/03/07
  252.   #239 your strategy is "divide and conquer" 00:06  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  253.   ballistic you are all but illiterate 00:22  |  barry goldwater 25/03/07
  254.   when tosefta is unable to answer my post 00:26  |  flashman 25/03/07
  255.   Not only restraint, also distraction 00:27  |  Esther 25/03/07
  256.   abdulla tosefta "is hazbillah better off then before the war" 00:33  |  flashman 25/03/07
  257.   abdulla tosefta "nasrallah aspiring to take over the country" 00:42  |  flashman 25/03/07
  258.   # 185 hey jaccuse; you`re blowing smoke... 00:44  |  eric 25/03/07
  259.   ali tosefta "hizb is far better off then before the war" 00:50  |  flashman 25/03/07
  260.   # 243 Ballistic 00:58  |  ChanahS 25/03/07
  261.   danite i am all for peace but i do not trust the 01:12  |  flashman 25/03/07
  262.   danite aside from the fact that i do not trust the 01:15  |  flashman 25/03/07
  263.   ballistic go to zanzibar 01:19  |  barry goldwater 25/03/07
  264.   #Paul Harris "Don`t start things you can`t finish." 01:22  |  Maureen Ann 25/03/07
  265.   #192 I Feel Left Out 01:29  |  Yonatan Netser 25/03/07
  266.   #241 Tosefta 01:38  |  tadchase 25/03/07
  267.   #212 Flashman - I`ll ask you once again 01:42  |  * BEN JABO 25/03/07
  268.   eric you went after one al qaeda man in somalia 01:48  |  jaccuse 25/03/07
  269.   #223 Jeff Nothridge - you`ve a comprehension problem 01:49  |  * BEN JABO 25/03/07
  270.   eric you placed a bomb for a hizb chief 01:50  |  jaccuse 25/03/07
  271.   eric do you know that in addition to the hundreds of thousands of 01:52  |  jaccuse 25/03/07
  272.   # 246 Ballistic 01:57  |  ChanahS 25/03/07
  273.   ballistic uses racist language 02:03  |  colin 25/03/07
  274.   so ballistic you are a student of machiavelli 02:06  |  barry goldwater 25/03/07
  275.   ballistic "the protocols" 02:08  |  colin 25/03/07
  276.   #248, Oh, Jeff 02:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 25/03/07
  277.   i agree with you generally but i have to insist 02:31  |  flashman 25/03/07
  278.   40 years of occupation eroded IDF deterrence 02:32  |  Eden 25/03/07
  279.   ben jabo i specially agree with you that 02:33  |  flashman 25/03/07
  280.   ben jabo "flashman advocated that theory" 02:37  |  flashman 25/03/07
  281.   #181Eric. I agree! We only have to read some of the posts... 02:47  |  Maureen Ann 25/03/07
  282.   ballistic i am disappointed 02:49  |  barry goldwater 25/03/07
  283.   #248 Labhras 02:51  |  tadchase 25/03/07
  284.   #251 Jeff Northridge 03:04  |  tadchase 25/03/07
  285.   Yonatan Netser -- love your posts 03:18  |  Gina 25/03/07
  286.   # 186 shrooms mr. paul harris? 03:23  |  eric 25/03/07
  287.   ballistic # 252 Satanism? 03:31  |  Jeff Northridge 25/03/07
  288.   ballistic ...re. channahs 03:49  |  maria 25/03/07
  289.   #250 Cipora Julianna Kohn. IF I WERE A MAN,I`D MARRY YOU TOMORROW 03:52  |  Kath` 25/03/07
  290.   # 265 Yonatan Netser.NEED I SAY,I AM GLAD TO SEE YOU HERE?? 04:00  |  Kath` 25/03/07
  291.   # 235 to efox 04:01  |  eric 25/03/07
  292.   ERIC....re. barry goldwater--HAGAR was not.. 04:09  |  maria 25/03/07
  293.   ballistic and eric...hagar was not a slave... 04:23  |  maria 25/03/07
  294.   #275 Well, of course they do 04:25  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  295.   #274 Yup, I indeed did read Machiavelli 04:29  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  296.   #273 As you will recall, Colin 04:33  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  297.   Paul Harris and the Strategy of Airpower 04:49  |  Mark Lincoln 25/03/07
  298.   # 224 to ballistic 04:51  |  eric 25/03/07
  299.   Colin 375 Re "protocolls" kinda says it all.Forgeries are useful 04:54  |  PETER SM 25/03/07
  300.   Danite 04:54  |  Mark Lincoln 25/03/07
  301.   Winning - Jeff Northridge 04:59  |  Mark Lincoln 25/03/07
  302.   Tad Chase 05:01  |  Mark Lincoln 25/03/07
  303.   HAGAR WAS NOT A SLAVE.....(3rd try) 05:09  |  maria 25/03/07
  304.   flashman#262 05:11  |  Danite 25/03/07
  305.   On War 05:13  |  Mark Lincoln 25/03/07
  306.   ballistic 05:14  |  danite 25/03/07
  307.   re: eric 05:23  |  Efox 25/03/07
  308.   *BEN JABO # 269 Thank You For Your Service 05:27  |  Jeff Northridge 25/03/07
  309.   Mark Lincoln 05:27  |  Danite 25/03/07
  310.   correction #286 eric...re. b. goldwater....thanks haaretz. 05:36  |  maria 25/03/07
  311.   #254 the pink elephants AND MAUREEN 05:54  |  paul harris 25/03/07
  312.   #295 BALLISTIC IS AMYSTERY SHE SPELLS ARSE 06:23  |  paul harris 25/03/07
  313.   Chanah; hey don`t start with the BS! 06:25  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  314.   #297 YES MARK AND LIKE TANK WARFARE DESIGNED BY BRITISH OFFICER 06:25  |  paul harris 25/03/07
  315.   #298 Hey Eric, Chanah is unhinged 06:29  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  316.   #293 Hey Maria 06:32  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  317.   #272 Chanah con`t 06:55  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  318.   #288 Maria; are you blogging there? 07:08  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  319.   #303Maria. Wake up child. Abraham was... 07:08  |  Maureen Ann 25/03/07
  320.   #307 Nope, Efox 07:10  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  321.   #`s 292, 293 & 299--yes she was, maria 07:14  |  eric 25/03/07
  322.   #287 Do Evangelical Christians 07:21  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  323.   #253 Hey Barry; isn`t that what the Jewish 07:47  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  324.   #253 Hey Barry; you oughta thank Eric 07:49  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  325.   #263 Hey Barry, Zanzibar? No man, 07:55  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  326.   Hey Paul ; up and pushing it, eh? 08:10  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  327.   BARRY POSTED FAKE BALLISTIC #320 08:14  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  328.   307 my my my; efox...is that really you? 08:19  |  eric 25/03/07
  329.   ERIC.RE: less than human.Check out Hezballa,Hamas media on Jews. 08:27  |  PETERSM 25/03/07
  330.   #323, ballistic 08:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 25/03/07
  331.   Ben Jabo and Jeff Northridge...reminiscing 08:31  |  Maureen Ann 25/03/07
  332.   #325, ballistic 08:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 25/03/07
  333.   #306 Danite; I read only the Prince 08:49  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  334.   #322 Well, Cipora 08:53  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  335.   # 315 to ballistic 09:04  |  eric 25/03/07
  336.   #330; Well, now Cipora; it is a tiny little 09:06  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  337.   #330 Hey Cipora; where did the 09:20  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  338.   # 320 now i hope that`s said tongue-in-cheek 09:23  |  eric 25/03/07
  339.   #334, ballistic 09:39  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 25/03/07
  340.   # 329 to petersm in melbourne 09:52  |  eric 25/03/07
  341.   re: eric 10:32  |  Efox 25/03/07
  342.   In the context of PERPETUAL WAR, agressors sometimes stumble 11:08  |  Joe 25/03/07
  343.   re: eric on ballistic 11:18  |  Efox 25/03/07
  344.   i hope that all of you realize... 11:27  |  eric 25/03/07
  345.   maureen.....I hope someday... 13:38  |  maria 25/03/07
  346.   eric....you have a bible... 13:43  |  maria 25/03/07
  347.   236 Tadchase. It`s not just a matter of horrors of war. Israel 13:55  |  Apartheid 25/03/07
  348.   247 Paul If I put the kind of logic I often see here to use, I w 14:01  |  Apartheid 25/03/07
  349.   #319 Maureen Ann 17:00  |  * BEN JABO 25/03/07
  350.   308 Jeff Northridge - You still have a reading 17:15  |  * BEN JABO 25/03/07
  351.   #264 - Maureen Ann - who started what war? 17:19  |  * BEN JABO 25/03/07
  352.   #38 Hey Eric 18:08  |  balistic 25/03/07
  353.   re: balistic sic 18:50  |  Efox 25/03/07
  354.   #353 Hey Efox; golly day, I misspelled 20:35  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  355.   #346 Hey Maria;; what`s up with 20:37  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  356.   Hey Ben Jabo, if the US hasn`t won a war 20:40  |  ballistic 25/03/07
  357.   # 346 in other words, maria... 22:42  |  eric 25/03/07
  358.   # 349 i always so too, ben 22:54  |  eric 25/03/07
  359.   #356-2 U.S. should have followed WW2 policy 02:13  |  * BEN JABO 26/03/07
  360.   #358 Neither you or I were around in Biblical Times 02:23  |  * BEN JABO 26/03/07
  361.   re: ballistic 03:20  |  Efox 26/03/07
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