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A creative Israeli initiative
By Ari Shavit

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a cause for despair. Since the arrival of the Peel Commission in the country in 1936, innumerable attempts have been made to solve it. During the 70 years that have passed it seems as though everything has been tried: war and peace; denial and recognition; expulsion and compromise; settlement and uprooting; occupation and withdrawal; living together and living apart; an interim agreement and a final status agreement; the one-state solution, the autonomy solution and the two-state solution; Oslo and Camp David; disengagement and convergence. And nevertheless, despite all the attempts, the conflict is only getting more complicated. Ever more complicated.

The past year brought the complexity to new heights. This is because the Palestinian reaction to the unprecedented Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip was chaos and violence, and because by choosing Hamas the Palestinians in effect changed their minds about the strategic choice of dividing the country. And when the Palestinians devote themselves to chaos and violence, it is impossible to end the conflict.

When the Palestinians turn their back on a division of the country, it is very difficult to divide the country. And without division the occupation is continuing.

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Without division extremism is becoming stronger and sanity is disappearing. Without division the Israelis and Palestinian have each other in a stranglehold.

When reality is such a source of despair, the very human need to believe in magical solutions appears. In the Mecca agreement, for example. In the Saudi initiative, for example. In the Palestinian national unity government.

But the truth is that neither the Mecca agreement nor the Saudi initiative nor the Palestinian national unity government create a genuine basis for solving the conflict.

This is because even the internal Palestinian agreement, the pan-Arab initiative and the new Haniyeh government are decisively demanding the right of return.

The demand for the right of return does not accord with an end to the conflict. The demand for the right of return does not accord with dividing the country into two sovereign nation states. The demand for the right of return attests to the fact that in the era of Hamas the Palestinian people are not trying to establish a Palestine that will live alongside Israel, but rather strive to establish a Palestine that will replace Israel. Weaken Israel, put Israel to death and inherit it.

This extremely complex situation has a number of implications. On the one hand, it is clear that at the present historical stage there is no chance of getting the Palestinians to ideologically relinquish the demand for the right of return.

On the other hand, it is clear that without such a concession, any far-reaching Israeli withdrawal is extremely dangerous. On the one hand, it is clear the status quo is lethal, but on the other hand it is clear the attempt to jump directly from the status quo to an overall agreement is absurd.

On the one hand it is clear the moderate Arab countries demanding a horizon of hope are right, but on the other hand it is clear that those same countries are not contributing a thing to the creation of a horizon that is not an illusion. So what is needed now is not Israeli enslavement to a false international discourse totally divorced from reality. What is needed is a courageous, creative and sober Israeli initiative that offers thinking out of the box.

The Israeli initiative must have four aspects: Israeli willingness to carry out a limited withdrawal in Judea and Samaria even without a peace agreement; Palestinian willingness to turn the settlements Israel evacuates into rehabilitation sites for Palestinian refugees; commitment by the moderate Arab quartet to fund the rehabilitation of the refugees and to guarantee that the rehabilitation sites will not become bases for terror; and renewed international recognition of Israel as a Jewish and democratic nation state that solves the problem of Jewish refugees in exactly the same way the future Palestinian state will solve the problem of Palestinian refugees.

An Israeli initiative in this spirit will not bring an end to the conflict. It will not unravel the Israeli-Palestinian entanglement with one magical thrust. But it will create a gradual change in the situation that will indicate a direction that Israelis and Palestinians should follow.

It will prove that Israel is giving up the ethos of settlement while the Palestinians are beginning to move beyond the ethos of the return.

It will prepare the awareness of two tortured nations for a genuine historical compromise.

It will oblige Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan not only to preach reconciliation but to take responsibility for what the strategy of reconciliation actually requires.

This is the right thing the moderate West, the moderate Arabs and the moderate Israelis can do during this difficult time in the face of the rise of extremism.

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  1.   Human Rights 10:35  |  Kiwi Boy 22/03/07
  2.   Indeed, attempts to resolve the conflict have been offered since. 10:36  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  3.   Pals don`t want peace 10:38  |  So obvious 22/03/07
  4.   P.S. to previous post. In addition to Arab recognition of our... 10:49  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  5.   personal insults for kiwiboy 11:01  |  7.5%int 22/03/07
  6.   One leftist wakes up another 3 million to go!!!!!!! 11:07  |  Jeremy 22/03/07
  7.   ari shavit is of course right 11:08  |  flashman 22/03/07
  8.   #1 What do you mean WE likkle kiwiboy? 11:09  |  Ari ben Yisrael 22/03/07
  9.   Right of Return must come Last 11:10  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  10.   why...? 11:12  |  ravi 22/03/07
  11.   why...? 11:12  |  ravi 22/03/07
  12.   I Feel Sorry For Shavit 11:13  |  Ben Israel 22/03/07
  13.   the financial times is a capitalist paper 11:17  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  14.   #1 Try sticking to the subject under discussion 11:19  |  Joe Moer 22/03/07
  15.   the financial times yesterday told the usa 11:19  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  16.   Nadav: Two state solution or none at all 11:28  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  17.   Why the world could expect (much) more from Israel.... 11:29  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  18.   Jerusalem...no mention of it 11:29  |  KA 22/03/07
  19.   chandigarh ravi is like ballistic 11:30  |  and if not 22/03/07
  20.   ravi the untouchables in india have no cake 11:31  |  and if not 22/03/07
  21.   israel will never allow two state solution 11:31  |  mehmet 22/03/07
  22.   ravi seeks to defend the palestinians 11:34  |  and if not 22/03/07
  23.   ravi you have burnt bus loads of moslems 11:35  |  and if not 22/03/07
  24.   ravi when will the dalits be liberated? 11:37  |  and if not 22/03/07
  25.   ravi would you like to explain to us 11:39  |  and if not 22/03/07
  26.   nadav #2 - Nor RIGHT but a PRIVILEDGE 11:51  |  dana 22/03/07
  27.   Tzfonit, Jordan and Egypt are two Arab states that are governed, 11:52  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  28.   jerusalem, right of return is NON-NEGOTIABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:54  |  Ben Uziel 22/03/07
  29.   Nadav, cont`d - the solution is obvious 11:56  |  dana 22/03/07
  30.   goals and options 12:00  |  Jim 22/03/07
  31.   #1: Right of return under international law 12:02  |  International Lawyer 22/03/07
  32.   RoR 12:08  |  jj burke 22/03/07
  33.   PEACE FOR PEACE 12:16  |  B 22/03/07
  34.   Utter rubbish 12:17  |  Sami 22/03/07
  35.   One solution-only 12:17  |  Alan 22/03/07
  36.   THERE IS NO LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL 1 12:19  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  37.   21#mehmet 12:33  |  alonitzafoni 22/03/07
  38.   Let all be known.... 12:38  |  Willy 22/03/07
  39.   THERE IS NO LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL 2 12:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  40.   Israel was never meant to be divided 12:41  |  B 22/03/07
  41.   # 6 Jeremy 12:42  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  42.   Sami #34 12:43  |  X` 22/03/07
  43.   How About Begin`s Autonomy Plan? 12:46  |  Avi Yerushalmi 22/03/07
  44.   THERE IS NO LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL 3 12:47  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  45.   #6 Jeremy 12:49  |  Jim 22/03/07
  46.   Swiss 12:49  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  47.   #29, dana 12:50  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  48.   suggestion requiring what the Palestinians don`t have- moderation 12:54  |  Shalom Freedman 22/03/07
  49.   # 26 dana 12:54  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  50.   (Brutal) International pressure would be the magic word..... 12:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  51.   # 1 kiwiboy 13:00  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  52.   #9 Tzfonit 13:02  |  Jim 22/03/07
  53.   # 46 Lynn 13:09  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  54.   injustice of epic proportions 13:13  |  mehmet 22/03/07
  55.   X 13:14  |  Sami 22/03/07
  56.   #17, Dino 13:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  57.   Kiwiboy 13:15  |  DB 22/03/07
  58.   Right of Return 13:17  |  Joey 22/03/07
  59.   Mehmet #54 13:23  |  Joey 22/03/07
  60.   #15 Pinkun 13:24  |  Jim 22/03/07
  61.   According to the polls, Pals do favor 2 state solution 13:25  |  newageblues 22/03/07
  62.   Zeevi (and #35) have it right; Shavit "solution" is nuts 13:28  |  Dr. L. Brnd 22/03/07
  63.   WHY DO ARABS NOT TRANSFORM GAZA ?? 13:30  |  Bill. 22/03/07
  64.   Accepting Israel = Refusing Quran 13:32  |  Pilly 22/03/07
  65.   Sullivan -- Before you start writing, would you please 13:41  |  Avi 22/03/07
  66.   #30 Jim 13:43  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  67.   We want to live in PEACE ! 13:44  |  Omar 22/03/07
  68.   Shavit on more of the same, over and over again 13:49  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  69.   dana do you want the jews to kneel because 13:50  |  and if not 22/03/07
  70.   And Israel wants a one state solution 13:50  |  El-Birawi 22/03/07
  71.   #44 C P Kohn 13:53  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  72.   Shavit on more of the same, Part II 13:57  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  73.   shavit for PM 13:57  |  michael cohen 22/03/07
  74.   #43 Avi Yerushalmi 13:57  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  75.   re to #36 Cipora Julianna Kohn 14:03  |  Jim 22/03/07
  76.   there will be no more wars like those where 14:03  |  and if not 22/03/07
  77.   Israel`s rampage last year 14:04  |  Jasmine Murphy 22/03/07
  78.   # 56 Cipora Julianna Kohn 14:11  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  79.   re the armoured corps 14:22  |  flashman 22/03/07
  80.   Israeli land grabs for settlements have made division impossible. 14:22  |  Apartheid 22/03/07
  81.   what a creative idea???? 14:24  |  arab 22/03/07
  82.   OK OK we recognise their suffering 14:29  |  jack sprat 22/03/07
  83.   Ari Shavit is absolutely right BUT 14:30  |  M 22/03/07
  84.   Shavit does not mention the Kahane Solution 14:30  |  Yehuda Maccabbee 22/03/07
  85.   DB (Post No. 57) 14:35  |  Johnny Weintraub 22/03/07
  86.   #51 Lynn 14:36  |  Jim 22/03/07
  87.   To # 25 from an indian 14:40  |  asad 22/03/07
  88.   3 state solution? 14:44  |  Harold 22/03/07
  89.   Ms Kohen and her zionist explanations #36 14:48  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  90.   Right of return to the straw man argument 14:52  |  Ilan 22/03/07
  91.   Right of return 14:54  |  Klas 22/03/07
  92.   #76 and if not 14:55  |  Clickfool 22/03/07
  93.   THE FLAW IN THIS ANALYSIS 14:55  |  Ian 22/03/07
  94.   To El-Birawi from somewere 14:56  |  Sponsor 22/03/07
  95.   2 Nadav..you are contradicting yourself 14:57  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 22/03/07
  96.   The Article 15:01  |  pat from ireland 22/03/07
  97.   el birawi for your character reference we have asked kuwait 15:02  |  and if not 22/03/07
  98.   el birawi no one in the arab world trusts you 15:03  |  and if not 22/03/07
  99.   #64 Pilly 15:06  |  Jim 22/03/07
  100.   #54 Mehmet 15:11  |  natan 22/03/07
  101.   The "They all are trying to kill us" argument is getting kind of 15:11  |  Apartheid 22/03/07
  102.   #66 Boycot 15:15  |  Jim 22/03/07
  103.   kiwiboy, you will not decide who belong to the west, 15:15  |  vladimir 22/03/07
  104.   # 31 on RoR 15:20  |  christa 22/03/07
  105.   Status quo is not lethal! 15:22  |  Vital 22/03/07
  106.   from the point of view of history... 15:23  |  a very naughty boy 22/03/07
  107.   to joey 15:23  |  mehmet 22/03/07
  108.   Boycott #74 15:24  |  Avi Yerushalmi 22/03/07
  109.   WHY Jacob Suleiman hates the Jews/Israel: 15:25  |  an idea 22/03/07
  110.   # 5 7.5% int personal insults for kiwiboy. 15:29  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  111.   # 8 on # 1 15:29  |  christa 22/03/07
  112.   98#BOSTONED!!! 15:29  |  alonitzafoni 22/03/07
  113.   # 9 Tzfonit. NO DEAR,EITHER WAY,THERE NO MORE.. 15:32  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  114.   # 103 Christa you are wrong...NON-BINDING 15:33  |  The Equalizer 22/03/07
  115.   and if not to ravi 15:33  |  christa 22/03/07
  116.   #99 Jim 15:33  |  Willy 22/03/07
  117.   YOU ALL MISS THE POINT.. 15:36  |  George Small 22/03/07
  118.   el birawi the kuwait lesson 15:38  |  and if not 22/03/07
  119.   #71 Boycot: Negotiate? 15:40  |  Jim 22/03/07
  120.   Despite any kind of solution, lets not forget Lebanon 15:41  |  Tamir Gaza 22/03/07
  121.   A very naughtzy boy 15:41  |  natan 22/03/07
  122.   SOVEREIGNTY? WHAT SOVEREIGNTY? 15:42  |  George Small 22/03/07
  123.   There is no UN resolution of "right of return" 15:44  |  AA 22/03/07
  124.   94# IAN DEMOCRACY DOESNT WORK IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES!!! 15:44  |  alonitzafoni 22/03/07
  125.   #96 Abu Firas 15:45  |  Willy 22/03/07
  126.   Lynn,right of return??? 15:46  |  John 22/03/07
  127.   Who does not want a 2-state solution? 15:47  |  Jeremy 22/03/07
  128.   # 105 Christa - No 15:47  |  ChanahS 22/03/07
  129.   Abu Firas al-Qudsi, post no 96, about national self-determination 15:48  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  130.   Kath #114 Room is not the problem 15:49  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  131.   10#RAVI ITS THE PALLIES WHO WANT TOO HAVE THE CAKE AND EAT IT 15:50  |  alonitzafoni 22/03/07
  132.   ITS A PITY WE RETURNED THE SINAI TO EGYPT 15:56  |  alonitzafoni 22/03/07
  133.   ISLAMIC Republic from the "river to the sea"Hamas the elected Gov 15:59  |  PETER SM 22/03/07
  134.   Ari Shavit is very lucid, congratulations! 16:01  |  Fortuna Benmayor 22/03/07
  135.   Nadav and Tzfonit: Two Ideas 16:03  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  136.   #125 REAL DEMOCRACY 16:03  |  Ian 22/03/07
  137.   Israeli government destroyed 2 state solution 16:05  |  Josh Goldman 22/03/07
  138.   the financial times:"israel and its friends should know 16:08  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  139.   Palestinians go from no state to three states 16:10  |  Chick Corea 22/03/07
  140.   the ft loves hamas 16:13  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  141.   Kath re TZFONIT #131 16:13  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  142.   Right of return is holy 16:15  |  Amin Nusseibeh 22/03/07
  143.   #118 George Small, #125 alonitzafoni & #134 PETER SM 16:15  |  Jeremy 22/03/07
  144.   the financial times" hamas recognising israel is unreal" 16:15  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  145.   Maybe I fail to understand, but going into a start for dialogue 16:16  |  Smadar 22/03/07
  146.   Nadav #2 16:17  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  147.   Fake issue: The Right of Return 16:17  |  Tosefta 22/03/07
  148.   the financial times"there is now a chance to end the conflict 16:17  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  149.   the financial times"hamas recognising israel is capitulation" 16:19  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  150.   Tower of lies starts with the word palestinians 16:19  |  rodan 22/03/07
  151.   APARTHEID You missed the exploding grandmother(Hamas) 16:20  |  PETER SM 22/03/07
  152.   the financial times:"hamas as part of a responsible government" 16:20  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  153.   # 107 a very naughty boy. point of view of histrory 16:21  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  154.   Alonitzafoni from Beer Sheva, post 133 about the Sinai and ...... 16:22  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  155.   the financial times:"israel must return the occupied 16:22  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  156.   the financial times is impatient with israel 16:24  |  pinkun 22/03/07
  157.   Bury the two-state solution, go for democracy 16:24  |  Spider 22/03/07
  158.   PINKUN.The FT in denial.Hamas repeatedly says NO peace 16:29  |  Peter S.M. 22/03/07
  159.   smadar is ignorant 16:30  |  norma jane 22/03/07
  160.   To all who claim right of return 16:31  |  Gee 22/03/07
  161.   josh goldman is a palestinian posing as a jew 16:32  |  faisel husseini 22/03/07
  162.   Kath and Tzfonit #130 16:33  |  GABE1 22/03/07
  163.   Gabe 1, you have been using the very same, very same text in this 16:34  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  164.   #130 Nadav and roots of the conflict 16:36  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 22/03/07
  165.   JEREMY.Yisroel Beteinu is talking about land swap and NOT 16:37  |  PETER SM 22/03/07
  166.   #137 Josh, you are correct 16:38  |  Oliver 22/03/07
  167.   # 131 Tzfonit. I DON`T HAVE TO COME AND SEE. 16:38  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  168.   to kiwi boy 16:41  |  TAZ 22/03/07
  169.   3122 GEORGE TOO SMALL TO THINK CLEARLY 16:42  |  paul harris 22/03/07
  170.   Amin Nusseibeh - see that you are singing the same mantra... 16:43  |  Smadar 22/03/07
  171.   NADAV #129 16:45  |  GABE1 22/03/07
  172.   Spider and Israeli racism 16:45  |  Cockroach 22/03/07
  173.   The problem with Shavit`s Israeli initiative 16:47  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 22/03/07
  174.   #102 Jim 16:47  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  175.   Blame the zionist lunatics and fanatics 16:50  |  Marilyn 22/03/07
  176.   Sami 16:51  |  Gina 22/03/07
  177.   palestinian arabs 16:51  |  maria 22/03/07
  178.   Josh Goldman is an Arab, I can tell. 16:51  |  Fawaz 22/03/07
  179.   Leah Vanatta Fisher 16:52  |  Leah Vanatta Fisher 22/03/07
  180.   One State Solution 16:54  |  Miro 22/03/07
  181.   Oliver, believe me it would make no difference #166 16:54  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  182.   #108 Avi Yerushalmi 16:54  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  183.   Ronnie Wolman #135 Choosing Partners 16:55  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  184.   and if not re. ravi 16:57  |  maria 22/03/07
  185.   #119 Jim 16:58  |  Boycott 22/03/07
  186.   Gabe 1, are you familiar with names such as Beit Ha`aravah or ... 16:59  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  187.   Excrement insn`t what they do now 17:03  |  Leah Vanatta Fisher 22/03/07
  188.   Kath #167 17:06  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  189.   Abbah Perez Ha`Yerushalmi # 95 17:07  |  natan 22/03/07
  190.   # 126 John in Brooklyn 17:08  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  191.   # 142 Right of return is not holy 17:11  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  192.   Ronnie #183 and Tzfonit 17:11  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  193.   gee, you are partly right #160 17:13  |  Klas 22/03/07
  194.   Centrist & Left are not denying that the Torah stipulates 17:14  |  Smadar 22/03/07
  195.   # 160 Gee and immigration 17:14  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  196.   #175 GOOD POINT MARYLIN IT HOWEVER WORKS BOTH WAYS 17:15  |  paul harris 22/03/07
  197.   Josh Goldman 17:16  |  Gina 22/03/07
  198.   154 Nadav the reasilst! 17:19  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 22/03/07
  199.   #19 Hey "And if not"/Barry Goldwater/Iranian 17:22  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  200.   Marilyn 17:25  |  Gina 22/03/07
  201.   marilyn wrote.....blame the zionist lunatics and fanatics 17:25  |  maria 22/03/07
  202.   Jews don`t have much talent for statesmanship 17:29  |  Tosefta 22/03/07
  203.   to Clickfool 17:29  |  TAZ 22/03/07
  204.   Nadav # 186 17:31  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  205.   # 175 Marilyn- sounds fair to me 17:35  |  ChanahS 22/03/07
  206.   Palestinians have blown an opportunity in GAZA 17:35  |  Nicole 22/03/07
  207.   Dino #17 etc. 17:36  |  Ivo 22/03/07
  208.   Ramzi, a Palestinian # 164 Hamas` Charter 17:36  |  Jeff Northridge 22/03/07
  209.   Miro 17:37  |  Gina 22/03/07
  210.   #175 Hey there Marilyn! 17:38  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  211.   to #1 17:39  |  jew from poland 22/03/07
  212.   Hey there Maria! 17:39  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  213.   # 175 Marilyn _ I`m glad to see 17:40  |  ChanahS 22/03/07
  214.   Ramsi, I suggest you read, if you haven`t yet, Abu Firas al-Qudsi 17:42  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  215.   ChanahS -- sounds fair to me, too 17:43  |  Gina 22/03/07
  216.   Fawaz and `Faisel` - you`re welcome! 17:45  |  Josh Goldman 22/03/07
  217.   Jeff Northridge & the charter 17:50  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 22/03/07
  218.   Dino #17 etc. - 2 17:52  |  Ivo 22/03/07
  219.   Kath` #167 Viewing RoR in a different perspective 17:52  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  220.   Boycott #182 17:52  |  Avi Yerushalmi 22/03/07
  221.   Nadav 17:54  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 22/03/07
  222.   # 205 ChanhS 17:54  |  Lynn 22/03/07
  223.   The refugee problem: Israeli commitments 17:54  |  Tosefta 22/03/07
  224.   Kiwi Boy 17:56  |  Jason 22/03/07
  225.   The Gordian Knot and Israel... 17:58  |  bat yam 22/03/07
  226.   Oliver # 166 Aw, That`s Tough 17:58  |  Jeff Northridge 22/03/07
  227.   Dangerous advice 17:59  |  Colin Wright 22/03/07
  228.   Also, Nadav.... 18:00  |  Ramzi, a Palestinian 22/03/07
  229.   Josh Goldman 18:00  |  Jeremy 22/03/07
  230.   OXYMORON OF RIGHT OF RETURN AND OWN SEPERATE STATE 18:05  |  SHIMON 22/03/07
  231.   OBVIOUS PROOF OF LACK OF PEACE ON ARAB SIDE 18:06  |  SHIMON 22/03/07
  232.   Are the Jews brain dead ?? 18:08  |  Teez El-Nabi 22/03/07
  233.   anyone who thinks right of return is correct is blind and foolish 18:08  |  SHIMON 22/03/07
  234.   support of "return" to terrorists = support of end to israel 18:10  |  SHIMON 22/03/07
  235.   No to one state, too many car accidents kill many people 18:14  |  Tamir Gaza 22/03/07
  236.   #226 Jeff Northridge re 166 18:15  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  237.   Stop talking nonsense 18:16  |  tadchase 22/03/07
  238.   Jeremy #225 18:16  |  Avi Yerushalmi 22/03/07
  239.   Colin Wright 18:18  |  Gina 22/03/07
  240.   Very Creative Israeli Initiative 18:20  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  241.   hey ballistic....children of isaac .... 18:21  |  maria 22/03/07
  242.   #47 Cipora - recognition of palestinian rights 18:23  |  dana 22/03/07
  243.   #214 Nadav finally gives up on two of the demands 18:25  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  244.   #14 Hey Mr. Moer down there in SA! 18:28  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  245.   Jeff # 226- earth to planet California 18:28  |  Josh Goldman 22/03/07
  246.   WOW... 18:30  |  gabistan 22/03/07
  247.   #39 Hey Cipora, don`t sound so pessimistic! 18:31  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  248.   Arafat was responsible for expulsions of Palestinians from Kuwait 18:31  |  El-Birawi 22/03/07
  249.   #28 Hey Ben; there is nothing new under the sun! 18:32  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  250.   Lynn #49 - who were the original Israelis? 18:35  |  dana 22/03/07
  251.   #248 lab -ass connfused at evry turnDOES NOT UNDERSTAND LEGAL 18:35  |  paul harris 22/03/07
  252.   Arabs only understand the stick 18:35  |  Jason 22/03/07
  253.   #64 Hey Philly; another poster a few days ago 18:35  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  254.   Ronnie Wolman, post no. 135 to Tzfonit and me about solutions.... 18:37  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  255.   SHIMON 3230 18:37  |  GABE1 22/03/07
  256.   Abba Eban and the Right of Return #223 18:38  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  257.   #245 Josh Goldman re 226 Northridge. 18:43  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  258.   Avi #65 - what Sullivan hatred are you talking about/ 18:46  |  dana 22/03/07
  259.   gabistan 18:49  |  Genocidal Lover 22/03/07
  260.   Shavit`s gotit! 18:50  |  tom s 22/03/07
  261.   Nadav: Where we are At 18:53  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  262.   PALESTINE MUST REPLACE ISRAEL 18:54  |  Muhammud al-Swain 22/03/07
  263.   South African to Kiwi Boy 18:57  |  South African 22/03/07
  264.   Gabe On Tzfonit 18:57  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  265.   Palestinians do not want "Israel,s Two State Solution. 18:58  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  266.   Nothing will change 19:01  |  anon 22/03/07
  267.   Swiss (Dino)# 17 19:06  |  Philippe 22/03/07
  268.   #31International Lawyer with no address or name,or customers , I 19:06  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  269.   # 207 / 218 Ivo (1) 19:08  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  270.   dana, you go ahead and ask Sullivan, really, 19:10  |  Avi 22/03/07
  271.   Tosefta - Aren`t all the points important? 19:10  |  Gil 22/03/07
  272.   Jewish refurgees and extremist settlers 19:11  |  David James Vickery 22/03/07
  273.   #251 Harr ass The hell you say. 19:13  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  274.   tom s 19:16  |  Gina 22/03/07
  275.   Muhammud al-Swain 19:19  |  Gina 22/03/07
  276.   Irish is Irish, thats what they are 19:19  |  Tamir Gaza 22/03/07
  277.   142 Amin Nusseibeh 19:19  |  american 22/03/07
  278.   # 207 / 218 Ivo (2) 19:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  279.   #267 Phillipe 19:24  |  john 22/03/07
  280.   Labhras 19:25  |  Gina 22/03/07
  281.   Gil`s sadness (#271) 19:27  |  Tosefta 22/03/07
  282.   Mr. Yaakov Sullivan on "Hebron Fiasco" P1 19:28  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  283.   Ronnie Wolman 19:30  |  GABE1 22/03/07
  284.   127 - Hamas Wants to Destroy Israel 19:30  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  285.   Mr. Yaakov Sullivan on "Hebron Fiasco" P2 19:31  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  286.   151 - Agreed, Hamas Charter Calls for the Destruction of Israel 19:32  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  287.   al-swain.....palestine is modern israel... 19:34  |  maria 22/03/07
  288.   Mr. Yaakov Sullivan on "Hebron Fiasco" P3 19:34  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  289.   Ronnie Wolman, 261, thank you for your kind words. Now all that.. 19:35  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  290.   # 267 Philippe Not so !! 19:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  291.   Israel is the Jewish homeland 19:36  |  Gila 22/03/07
  292.   63 - You are Right, Hamas does not want Peace 19:36  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  293.   # 235 Tamir Gaza.THANK YOU FOR LIGHTING IT UP A BIT... 19:37  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  294.   To 272-can you document Jerusalem`s holiness in Islam? 19:37  |  South African 22/03/07
  295.   Gabe 19:38  |  Walid 22/03/07
  296.   No peace in our time. 19:38  |  Voice of Reason 22/03/07
  297.   #276 Tamir Gaza 19:38  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  298.   Nadav..You are in denial 19:38  |  Abu Firas AL Qudsi 22/03/07
  299.   Shavit, This is News ? 19:39  |  Tod Zuckerman 22/03/07
  300.   117 - The cause of this is the desire of Hamas to destroy Israel 19:39  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  301.   Mr. Yaakov Sullivan on "Hebron Fiasco" P4 19:40  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  302.   hey ballistic....I see the koran recognized the.. 19:41  |  maria 22/03/07
  303.   # 251 Paul Harris. UNDERSTANDING.HISTORY WITHOUT TWISTING IT... 19:43  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  304.   Avi you have no idea what yu are talking about #270 19:43  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  305.   61- 61.3% of Palestinian Arabs Support Murder of Jews 19:45  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  306.   Swiss 19:45  |  Gina 22/03/07
  307.   80 - Prove that these Pal Arabs have legality to the land 19:46  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  308.   Gabe: Comparing Oranges 19:46  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  309.   Gina 19:48  |  tom s 22/03/07
  310.   272 - Jewish settlement is legal 19:49  |  Bruriah Sarah 22/03/07
  311.   Labhras 19:50  |  Tamir Gaza 22/03/07
  312.   #241 Hey Maria; of course I am 19:50  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  313.   262 - Thanks for the proof that the PA wants to destroy Israel 19:52  |  Bruriah sarah 22/03/07
  314.   ykele - and if 50 percent rather to live in arab world? 19:53  |  mb 22/03/07
  315.   Mehmet 19:53  |  Jane 22/03/07
  316.   Nadav on Sharon 19:55  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  317.   #95 19:56  |  Jane 22/03/07
  318.   Labhras # 236 & 265 There Is No Humanity In War 19:56  |  Jeff Northridge 22/03/07
  319.   Kath` 19:57  |  Tamir Gaza 22/03/07
  320.   # 306 Gina 20:00  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  321.   right of return is in international law 20:01  |  vijaya 22/03/07
  322.   #302 Yup, Maria; a sura from the Koran 20:03  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  323.   Ronnie Wolman #308 20:06  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  324.   RESPONSE TO #300 BRURIAH SARAH 20:06  |  Nick W 22/03/07
  325.   ballistic is an ignorant woman 20:07  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  326.   Hey Jeff!!! 20:10  |  Nick W 22/03/07
  327.   #251 Hey Paul sound like a two way street, doesn`t it. 20:11  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  328.   What happened Haaretz?, this is the second 20:11  |  TOMY 22/03/07
  329.   Geb a Kick at the Spurs Fans on the front picture of Haaretz! 20:12  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  330.   # 4 Nadav.Wonderful prose.I DO NOT MEAN IT UNKINDLY 20:12  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  331.   Gabe If Tzfonit were an arab 20:13  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  332.   tom s 20:17  |  Gina 22/03/07
  333.   # 289 Nadav 20:18  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  334.   Tell Me who is on the cover of Haaretz???? 20:18  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/03/07
  335.   Mr. Yaakov Sullivan on "say about Jews and Israel" 20:18  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  336.   The leftist line is dead as this article proves 20:20  |  Steven 22/03/07
  337.   #325 Hey Barry! Gee, I thought you died and I 20:20  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  338.   josh goldman you may have an arab mother 20:21  |  and if not 22/03/07
  339.   KA IS INSANE 20:22  |  TOMY 22/03/07
  340.   ballistic it is you who disparages "black folk" 20:27  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  341.   #21 mehmet first read the article, then 20:27  |  TOMY 22/03/07
  342.   Alberto Cohen and my clarification #335 20:31  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  343.   # 319 Tamir Gaza.ABOUT THE MANY CAMERAS.. 20:32  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  344.   Alberto Cohen on allegations, Part II 20:35  |  Yaakov Sullivan 22/03/07
  345.   Who Cares what they want 20:36  |  Danite 22/03/07
  346.   Swiss -- Cheers! 20:37  |  Gina 22/03/07
  347.   ballistic dont visit saudia arabia 20:38  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  348.   Ronnie Wolman #331 20:40  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  349.   dana re sullivan 20:40  |  Danite 22/03/07
  350.   Nadav 20:45  |  Danite 22/03/07
  351.   ballistic when saudis speak of blacks 20:46  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  352.   ballistic the arab satellite stations interviewed 20:49  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  353.   Walid #295 20:49  |  Gabe1 22/03/07
  354.   Tagid! Atem Mifagrim Bichlal? 20:50  |  Kol ha Shouk 22/03/07
  355.   ballistic did you hear of the massacre 20:52  |  barry goldwater 22/03/07
  356.   FRIGGIN PIPE DREAM!!! 20:54  |  SLAVO 22/03/07
  357.   #347 Folks don`t just visit Saudi Arabia, according 20:57  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  358.   hey ballistic....I was wondering about that too. 20:58  |  maria 22/03/07
  359.   BETTER SOLUTION: Start with Gaza rehabilitation 21:11  |  Otter 22/03/07
  360.   #55 Hey Barry; do you have attention deficit disorder 21:13  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  361.   Oh Tosefta - behave 21:20  |  Gil 22/03/07
  362.   ballistic wake up! 21:20  |  Danite 22/03/07
  363.   # 48 Shalom Freedman. I WILL REITERATE ... 21:23  |  Kath` 22/03/07
  364.   Dino #269, 278 21:24  |  Ivo 22/03/07
  365.   maria Re Danites and African jews 21:25  |  Danite 22/03/07
  366.   PALS DON`T WANT 2 STATE SOLUTION 21:29  |  anon 22/03/07
  367.   #311 Tamir Gaza 21:36  |  Labhras 22/03/07
  368.   The Arab League controls the destiny of the Palestinians 21:38  |  XYZ 22/03/07
  369.   Hey, Ronnie Wolman, if I were an Arab... 21:39  |  Tzfonit 22/03/07
  370.   #147, Tosefta "refugee issue is fake" 1 21:40  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  371.   #334 Ronnies Spurious friends 21:42  |  Ari ben Yisrael 22/03/07
  372.   Dino #269, 278 - 2 21:50  |  Ivo 22/03/07
  373.   #147, Tosefta: "refugee issue is fake" 2 21:51  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  374.   Understanding talk about rights 22:00  |  Cord H. Kaldrack 22/03/07
  375.   Sullivan # 340, as I said, your writing is loaded with hate, 22:01  |  Avi 22/03/07
  376.   #202, "Jews don`t have much talent for statesmanship" 22:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  377.   # 260 tom s 22:03  |  ChanahS 22/03/07
  378.   People Who Elect Hamas... 22:05  |  Jane 22/03/07
  379.   Swiss (Dino) # 290 22:07  |  Philippe 22/03/07
  380.   John # 279 22:09  |  Philippe 22/03/07
  381.   # 244 Ballistic 22:10  |  ChanahS 22/03/07
  382.   # 346 Gina 22:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  383.   Hello Kath`, thank you for your kind words, post 330. I would ... 22:15  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  384.   #358 Maria 22:16  |  ballistic 22/03/07
  385.   John # 279 22:17  |  Philippe 22/03/07
  386.   Hope this works 22:19  |  herschel 22/03/07
  387.   Danite, shalom. af ehad lo tzarikh et ze! (no one need it) but .. 22:21  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  388.   As POSTED BY WHODEY 22:22  |  GABE1 22/03/07
  389.   danite.........yes...that`s the one I saw. 22:23  |  maria 22/03/07
  390.   Danite: shalom, Danite, - ma shlomkha, amigo? 22:24  |  Ivo 22/03/07
  391.   ykele sullivan -Not all jews went to israel in 1948 why pals? 22:26  |  mb 22/03/07
  392.   IVO, all posts 22:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 22/03/07
  393.   Avi #270 - the Sullivan case - I beg to differ 22:29  |  dana 22/03/07
  394.   Hello Swiss (Dino), I am not sure I fully understand your post no 22:30  |  Nadav 22/03/07
  395.   to cipora 22:33  |  mb 22/03/07
  396.   Danite # 345 Yeah, That`s Prudent 22:34  |  Jeff Northridge 22/03/07
  397.   Gabe 22:38  |  Walid 22/03/07
  398.   "tosefta without the charm" on jewish statesmen 22:38  |  anabelle markus 22/03/07
  399.   Swiss 22:39  |  Gina 22/03/07
  400.   charmless tosefta on jewish statesmen 22:40  |  anabelle markus 22/03/07
  401.   # 364/ # 372 Ivo 22:43  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/03/07
  402.   ballistic HA HA HA 22:43  |  Waldo 22/03/07
  403.   On Mr. Yackov Sullivan Clarifications P1 22:46  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  404.   great jewish statesmen 22:47  |  anabelle markus 22/03/07
  405.   On Mr. Yackov Sullivan Clarifications P2 22:48  |  Alberto Cohen 22/03/07
  406.   Danite - Sullivan case, take 3 - mine was a different point, 22:48  |  dana 22/03/07
  407.   great jewish statesmen 22:49  |  anabelle markus 22/03/07
  408.   great jewish statesmen 22:50  |  anabelle markus 22/03/07
  409.   ballistic....I think it`s more than 2,000. 22:51  |  maria 22/03/07
  410.   # 86 asad from delhi .LISTEN AND LEARN.... 22:52  |  Kath`