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Losing Jerusalem
By Danny Rubinstein

If we examine the headlines in the Palestinian media in recent years, there is hardly any doubt that Jerusalem is the key issue on the agenda. Sometimes there's talk of restrictions on Muslims worshiping at the Al-Aqsa Mosque; sometimes there's talk of the purchase of more Arab houses by associations of religious settlers. And at the end of last week there were more reports of Muslim protests against the work at the Mugrabi Bridge, and violent demonstrations at the Qalandiya checkpoint in northern Jerusalem as well as at the crossing point to Bethlehem in the south.

Newspaper photos showed agile young men climbing the ("racist," in the Palestinian version) separation wall and flying a Palestinian flag on it.

From the Palestinian perspective, it would appear, the main problem is not recognition of Israel, the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, the violence and the terror or even the problem of the refugees and the right of return. The problem is Jerusalem. Just as the State of Israel would not be able to exist if the right of the 1948 refugees to return were to be recognized, it can be said that a Palestinian state could not exist without East Jerusalem as its capital.

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It is in this context that the protest to the Israeli work at the Mugrabi Gate - both by Muslims in general and the Palestinians in particular - must be viewed. It is true that this work does not involve the Al-Aqsa compound itself, that the Israeli plans do not endanger anything sacred to Islam and that these demonstrations exploit the sensitivity surrounding religious issues to launch another attack on the Israeli government. This was the case in the Western Wall tunnel affair in 1996 and when Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount in September 2000, and this was the case in a long series of other incidents in which Israel disrupted the status quo in Jerusalem.

Every action that Israeli spokesmen define as a measure of strengthening the Israeli hold in the capital of Israel is defined in Palestinian and Arab terms as a continuation of the efforts to Judaize Jerusalem.

The Palestinians have reason to be sensitive about Jerusalem, because they are losing it. Work toward the completion of the separation fences and the walls around East Jerusalem is nearly finished. The reason for the separation is security. And while Israel is claiming that this is not a political border, the crossing arrangements at the walls are looking more and more like border crossing points between countries. At Betunia and Qalandiya to the north, at Hizma and the Mount of Olives in the east, and at Rachel's Tomb in the south, border control installations have transformed primitive roadblocks into modern terminals.

The Palestinian protests on the Jerusalem issue have not stopped, but from Israel's perspective they have become tolerable. It is possible, with great caution, to say that there are signs of Israeli-Jordanian cooperation on Jerusalem. In the peace agreement between the two countries, Israel promised to give Jordan priority in guarding the city's Islamic holy sites, and this agreement has been kept. The governments of Israel and Jordan are careful not to give positions of power to the Palestinian Authority in the control apparatus at Al-Aqsa, and are jointly working to undermine the status of the head of the Islamic Movement in Israel, Sheikh Ra'ad Salah, who is trying to become the patron of Al-Aqsa.

Can Israel's reinforced grip on East Jerusalem advance the peace process? The answer is no. Without East Jerusalem, a Palestinian state will not arise and the waning dream of "two states for two peoples" will come to an end.

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  1.   E. Jerusalem is LIBERATED capital of Israel. 10:04  |  Yacov 14/03/07
  2.   Losing more 10:06  |  Ralph 14/03/07
  3.   Why are there no foreign embassies in Jerusalem...?? 10:11  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  4.   There is no Palestine 10:34  |  Rivka 14/03/07
  5.   An assuption in this article is the necessity to establish a .... 10:39  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  6.   There wo`t be a `Palestinian` state west of the Jordan River 10:46  |  Dani 14/03/07
  7.   east jerusalem where the arabs are the majority 10:58  |  gadalyah 14/03/07
  8.   danny rubinstein explains 11:04  |  gadalyah 14/03/07
  9.   Capital Crimes 11:15  |  Yonatan Netser 14/03/07
  10.   Gadalyah - I agree. Any future agreement should 11:16  |  Anat 14/03/07
  11.   Why are the United Nations headquarters in New York... 11:21  |  Maureen Ann 14/03/07
  12.   its inevitable 11:54  |  ravi 14/03/07
  13.   Giving up Jerusalem 12:01  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/03/07
  14.   HOw about just no "palestinian" state 12:03  |  SLAVO 14/03/07
  15.   "Judaize Jerusalem" ,interesting term used by "Israeli" Rubinste 12:07  |  Absolute Sweden 14/03/07
  16.   #11 BECAUSE MO THE USA IS STUPID ENOUGH TO KEEP IT GOING 12:11  |  paul harris 14/03/07
  17.   What exactly is this "tightened grip"? 12:20  |  SD 14/03/07
  18.   Swiss # 3 13:01  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  19.   Maureen Ann 13:04  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  20.   Danny Rubinstein 13:19  |  Baruch 14/03/07
  21.   NO STATE FOR PALS - the best solution: NO TERRORISM,............. 13:29  |  Vittorio 14/03/07
  22.   The West Bank and Jordan 13:30  |  Joseph 14/03/07
  23.   # 3, SWISS (DINO) 13:34  |  indrajaya 14/03/07
  24.   Violence effective way to achieve Palestinian goals !!! 13:36  |  Alberto Cohen 14/03/07
  25.   Judaizing Jerusalem 13:38  |  Joe 14/03/07
  26.   If it brings peace to the region, why not, but.. 13:38  |  Sara 14/03/07
  27.   #18 lynn... 13:40  |  sigh... 14/03/07
  28.   Temple Mount in Jordanian hands 13:41  |  Jonathan S 14/03/07
  29.   No Questions Nadav just praise for your post constantly 13:44  |  Miriam Davidowitz 14/03/07
  30.   A unique city requires a unique solution 13:44  |  Sherlock Holmes 14/03/07
  31.   Usual liberal whining 13:49  |  Gene 14/03/07
  32.   Danny Rubinstein 13:55  |  Monica L 14/03/07
  33.   Nadav #5....a brilliant idea but have any politicians 13:57  |  albert amato 14/03/07
  34.   nadav, the one you arent asking #5 13:58  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  35.   Yaacov?? Sullivan??? I do not know you 14:31  |  Miriam Davidowitz 14/03/07
  36.   Maureen Ann @ 11 14:35  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  37.   to 23 14:35  |  Harry Potter 14/03/07
  38.   why now Danny? 14:39  |  Issy Hass 14/03/07
  39.   # 18 Lynn 14:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  40.   # 27 sigh 14:42  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  41.   Albert Amato, thank you for your kind words. I think both Egypt.. 14:42  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  42.   KEEPING JERUSALEM 14:46  |  Steven 14/03/07
  43.   Wake up! 14:46  |  Sam 14/03/07
  44.   3 ZONE JERUSALEM 14:46  |  Ian 14/03/07
  45.   # 34 Yaakov Sullivan 14:48  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  46.   # 23 indrajaya 14:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  47.   When you, Sullivan, begin to respect us, Jews, and recognize our 14:48  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  48.   To Yaquob Suleiman #34, et. al. 14:49  |  Clickfool 14/03/07
  49.   Israel Is Doing All It Can To See This Does Not Happen 14:49  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  50.   #34 a serious question Mr O`sullivan 15:01  |  Ari ben Yisrael 14/03/07
  51.   Losing Jerusalem 15:04  |  P. J. Casey 14/03/07
  52.   # 46, SWISS (DINO) 15:05  |  indrajaya 14/03/07
  53.   Mr.Rubinstein...... 15:07  |  Hastaroth 14/03/07
  54.   Islamic Extremism 15:08  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  55.   Israel is writting the blackest lines 15:09  |  simon 14/03/07
  56.   NADAV #5 15:09  |  GABE1 14/03/07
  57.   Jerusalem and the UN 15:12  |  P. J. Casey 14/03/07
  58.   Nadav 15:14  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  59.   Saliv`n - Are you out to continue spitting at us, 15:15  |  Bronya Kaplan 14/03/07
  60.   M. Davidowitz, I suggest you take your hatred..#35 15:15  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  61.   That, too Lynn, should be discussed #45 15:18  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  62.   Why the hell should Israel do this? 15:22  |  Jonathan S 14/03/07
  63.   #49 15:26  |  Paul 14/03/07
  64.   Y. Sullivan 15:27  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  65.   The Problem Is East Jerusalem? Hardly! 15:28  |  CHGODMK 14/03/07
  66.   Maureen Ann: What do UN headquarters have to do with J`salem?! 15:29  |  Psalm 14/03/07
  67.   # 39 Swiss 15:31  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  68.   Hastaroth (Post No. 53) 15:34  |  Johnny Weintraub 14/03/07
  69.   Jews, Christians, and Moslems 15:38  |  Scott 14/03/07
  70.   # 52 indrajaya 15:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  71.   Nice try, Bronya, but the phraseology give you away #59 15:42  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  72.   Lynn 15:44  |  ODP 14/03/07
  73.   It is good that a PLO state cannot and will not exist 15:46  |  Ronny 14/03/07
  74.   # 67 Lynn 15:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  75.   Steven in the United Kingdom (Post 42) 15:49  |  Johnny Weintraub 14/03/07
  76.   Ari ben Yisrael 15:50  |  Miriam Davidowitz 14/03/07
  77.   #62 15:50  |  Sharonelle 14/03/07
  78.   Gabe 1, the Arabs of Eretz Israel have not failed a single ...... 15:51  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  79.   #68 That is correct,Johhny 15:51  |  Hastaroth 14/03/07
  80.   "main problem" for Palestinians is EVERY issue 15:52  |  McQueen 14/03/07
  81.   Article`s weakness is that it assumes the P people exists 15:53  |  Jo 14/03/07
  82.   Yaakov, Nadav is not the 1st person 15:53  |  Avrum 14/03/07
  83.   #60 Sullivan, again, we get it:You hate Israel 15:54  |  McQueen 14/03/07
  84.   Ari ben Israel #50 15:55  |  GABE1 14/03/07
  85.   # 53 Hastaroth 15:55  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  86.   United Nations (Post No. 11) 15:56  |  Johnny Weintraub 14/03/07
  87.   Arabs for 1000 years have proven that Jerusalem is unimportant 15:56  |  Chick Corea 14/03/07
  88.   Jerusalem: Is YHWH`s Possession- not allah`s. 15:59  |  Psalm 14/03/07
  89.   ODP, it is not a case of ceding all of Jerusalem #72 16:00  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  90.   As usual, McQueen, your assumptions are false #76 16:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  91.   Danny Says `Next Year in Tel Aviv` 16:06  |  Muo 14/03/07
  92.   Stephen Connor, I am not sure I fully anderstand your comment, .. 16:07  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  93.   Avrum, Egypot and Jordan are already part of.. 16:09  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  94.   Yaakov Sullivan 16:12  |  ODP 14/03/07
  95.   O`sullivan ignores the question posed as usual 16:17  |  Ari ben Yisrael 14/03/07
  96.   its impossible to give terrorists a state so close to holy sites 16:21  |  SHIMON 14/03/07
  97.   why would arabs not fire rockets from east jerusalem? 16:23  |  SHIMON 14/03/07
  98.   Theory,Philosophy,Action and Reaction 16:25  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/03/07
  99.   #93 METHINK HE DOTH PROTESTETH TOO MUCH 16:29  |  paul harris 14/03/07
  100.   Yaakov # 93 16:30  |  Avrum 14/03/07
  101.   McQueen & hating Israel. (#83). 16:37  |  Wiktor 14/03/07
  102.   Nadav 16:39  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  103.   No Palestinian state without Palestine 16:40  |  Amin Nusseibeh 14/03/07
  104.   ODP. I hope I did not confuse you #94 16:41  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  105.   TO Underaroused Sullivan; guess what? 16:43  |  Alicia 14/03/07
  106.   Hating Israel? (#83) Continued. 16:45  |  Wiktor 14/03/07
  107.   NADAV #78 16:46  |  GABE1 14/03/07
  108.   Your choice, Losing Jerusalem or losing peace for ever ! 16:48  |  Abu Ali 14/03/07
  109.   Amin Nusseibeh in UK 16:48  |  CHGODMK 14/03/07
  110.   #103 Amin the terrorist?thanks for proving my point to sullivan 16:54  |  SHIMON 14/03/07
  111.   Ronnie Wolman: Pragmatic vs. Religious 16:55  |  CHGODMK 14/03/07
  112.   Gabe 1, I must leave and don`t have the time to respond, 16:57  |  Nadav 14/03/07
  113.   Jerusalem should be divided 17:01  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  114.   Losing Jerusalem 17:05  |  P. J. Casey 14/03/07
  115.   Ronnie on pragmatism 17:06  |  Ibrahim 14/03/07
  116.   Yaakov Sullivan 17:07  |  ODP 14/03/07
  117.   CHGODMK: Show,dont tell 17:08  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/03/07
  118.   mr harris pontificates on the Palestinians #99 17:09  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  119.   Reality and Futility 17:09  |  Mark Lincoln 14/03/07
  120.   Avrum, this is simply nonsense #100 17:12  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  121.   Alicia, your last question is one you should be.. 17:14  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  122.   Amin Nusseibeh # 103 Indivisibility 17:17  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  123.   Rubinstein admits Pals used Sharon`s visit to Aksa as an excuse 17:20  |  Jake 14/03/07
  124.   Liberated Jerusalem 17:23  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/03/07
  125.   Danny Rubinstein 17:24  |  Baruch 14/03/07
  126.   Shimon , Amin is right. You are now getting fat on our account 17:25  |  Salah el masri 14/03/07
  127.   Looking, fighting and waiting for God. 17:25  |  Simon 14/03/07
  128.   Actually, Dino, you are wrong and presumptuous 17:32  |  Jake 14/03/07
  129.   Re all of this 17:33  |  Colin Wright 14/03/07
  130.   ChanahS to Maureen Ann 17:35  |  fk 14/03/07
  131.   Losing Jerusalem 17:39  |  Gary Bessant 14/03/07
  132.   Definition of "Basic Law" (Jeff Northridge #114 re Amin N.) 17:44  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  133.   CHGODMK #111 17:46  |  GABE1 14/03/07
  134.   #108 Abu Ali 17:50  |  Labhras 14/03/07
  135.   Yaakov Sullivan # 104 The Old City of Jerusalem 17:52  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  136.   Johnny Weintraub 17:55  |  fk 14/03/07
  137.   Ibrahim:Pragmatic Paranoids we should be 17:56  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/03/07
  138.   Yacov. East Jerusalem is ans will always be the capital of Palest 17:56  |  Fairman 14/03/07
  139.   Ibrahim #114 17:57  |  Gabe1 14/03/07
  140.   #99 Hey Paul, never mind gnawing on Yaakov 17:57  |  ballistic 14/03/07
  141.   Gary Bessant, and the context? 17:58  |  Jake 14/03/07
  142.   Jake on the dog marking his territory #123 18:01  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  143.   ODP 18:03  |  inigo montoya 14/03/07
  144.   Colin Wright #129 18:05  |  Polybios 14/03/07
  145.   Jake and his certitudes on Jerusalem #128 18:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  146.   In agreement with Rubinstein & Tosefta #113,but 18:06  |  Smadar 14/03/07
  147.   Colin Wright calls Israel a "virulent infection" 18:07  |  Jake 14/03/07
  148.   Oh Indra, I am still waiting for your comment... 18:07  |  Willy 14/03/07
  149.   Jerusalem as capital of two nations 18:08  |  dvid 14/03/07
  150.   # 128 Jake, Mea culpa for the "convulsion".... 18:11  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  151.   Mr Danny Rubinstein, sensible assessment. 18:18  |  Angelina 14/03/07
  152.   Thank you gedalya - I hope that can happen 18:19  |  Moises 14/03/07
  153.   Jeff Northridge on Old City & East Jerusalem #135 18:24  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  154.   Joe #25 - It`s ironic 18:26  |  Moises 14/03/07
  155.   Sullivan # 93 18:29  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  156.   Jeff Northridge 18:32  |  ODP 14/03/07
  157.   Salah el masri # 126 I Don`t See It 18:33  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  158.   losing Jerusalem 18:34  |  Gary Bessant 14/03/07
  159.   TI FENCE 18:34  |  B 14/03/07
  160.   Nadav #5 - They tried that already 18:38  |  Moises 14/03/07
  161.   Ronnie, you are pragmatic AND misimformed. 18:45  |  Ibrahim 14/03/07
  162.   Old City , East Jer. (#153 Yaakov Sullivan re Jeff Northridge) 18:49  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  163.   ISRAEL LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. LILI 18:55  |  B 14/03/07
  164.   What do I see here 18:56  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  165.   # 130 fk 18:57  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  166.   Tosefta #162, thanks for the clarification. Question. 18:59  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  167.   Ibrahim # 115 18:59  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  168.   Jenin UN Refugee camp is palestinians most holy city 19:01  |  Chick Corea 14/03/07
  169.   #126 Salah El Masri 19:02  |  Jacob 14/03/07
  170.   # 126 Al Massri 19:04  |  Abushanab 14/03/07
  171.   Tosefta # 132 I Haven`t the Faintest Idea 19:04  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  172.   The suggested shouting match (Smadar #146) 19:05  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  173.   # 103 Never a Palestinian State 19:11  |  Murdoch Beck 14/03/07
  174.   It is the same as with the refugee issue 19:12  |  Tulip 14/03/07
  175.   Yaakov Sullivan #166 19:12  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  176.   Armenian Quarter (Yaakov Sullivan #166) 19:16  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  177.   losing Jerusalem 19:18  |  iLetzter 14/03/07
  178.   Ibrahim: Before Hamas??? 19:27  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/03/07
  179.   Jerusalem is a Holy City to Jews 19:27  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  180.   # 69 Scott 19:31  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  181.   Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran 19:34  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  182.   #88 Psalm. Sorry, YHWH has no say in this. 19:36  |  Hubal 14/03/07
  183.   2nd Century Jewish Town found in Jerusalem 19:37  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  184.   Moises 19:45  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  185.   Dani 19:46  |  Yonatan 14/03/07
  186.   Palestinian State out of Israel State in Jordan 19:48  |  e.m 14/03/07
  187.   Slavo 19:49  |  Yonatan 14/03/07
  188.   ODP # 156 Thank You For the Information 19:52  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  189.   # 108 Abu Ali 20:03  |  Abu Shanab 14/03/07
  190.   Armenian Quarter (Yaakov Sullivan #166) 20:08  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  191.   Israeli Basic Law (Jeff Northridge #171) 20:09  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  192.   ChannahS 20:12  |  Ibrahim 14/03/07
  193.   Only AIPAC, US Congress and Chrisian Zionists 20:13  |  El-Birawi 14/03/07
  194.   Amin Nusseibi 20:14  |  Abuharoon 14/03/07
  195.   Fake Tosefta Alert (Y.Sullivan) 20:14  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  196.   #182 Abu Shanab 20:15  |  Labhras 14/03/07
  197.   give them east jeruaslem 20:18  |  roberta 14/03/07
  198.   Brilliant 20:20  |  Yoni 14/03/07
  199.   # 142 Yerushalayim for ever 20:21  |  Moshe Z 14/03/07
  200.   E. Jerusalem 20:22  |  HR 14/03/07
  201.   # 128 Jake (2) 20:23  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  202.   # 145 Y Sullivan 20:29  |  Shlomo M 14/03/07
  203.   E. Jerusalem 20:30  |  HR 14/03/07
  204.   Abu Ali, in civilized discourse that is called "blackmail" 20:33  |  Jake 14/03/07
  205.   E. Jerusalem 20:34  |  HR 14/03/07
  206.   I believe that JERUSALEM...... 20:35  |  Peace Lover 14/03/07
  207.   # 149 dvid 20:36  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  208.   E. Jerusalem 20:37  |  HR 14/03/07
  209.   P.J. Casey, first the UN would need someone to donate the land 20:38  |  Jake 14/03/07
  210.   Facts on the groung.Arab Majority in E J`Lem 20:39  |  Hamza 14/03/07
  211.   188 - Hamas wants to destroy Israel 20:39  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  212.   11/ Maureen Ann. Yes .The HQ of UN 20:43  |  Jean Pierre 14/03/07
  213.   Armenian Quarter (Yaakov Sullivan #166) 20:44  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  214.   Israeli Basic Law (Jeff Northridge #171) 20:45  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  215.   Absolute Hogwash!!!. 20:46  |  THK 14/03/07
  216.   gadalyah ....you cannot base on that... 20:46  |  maria 14/03/07
  217.   Tosefta, join the club #187 20:47  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  218.   185 - Prove it 20:47  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  219.   208 - Prove it 20:56  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  220.   # 215 THK- clear insight 20:56  |  Michael 14/03/07
  221.   Angelina, ma che cosa stai dicendo? 20:57  |  Jake 14/03/07
  222.   Jerusalem in the Koran and Torah (Bruriah Sarah #179) 20:58  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  223.   Like it or not PALESTINE exists, except in the few mind 20:59  |  John M P 14/03/07
  224.   Sullivan, Arafat approved that visit and you know it well 21:01  |  Jake 14/03/07
  225.   Amin Nusseibh , Re: Holiness & land 21:01  |  Dutch 14/03/07
  226.   When I lived in Jerusalem, relations with Armenians #213 21:01  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  227.   WHAT WILL THEY DEMAND NEXT??? 21:04  |  alonitzafoni 14/03/07
  228.   Losing Jerusalem 21:04  |  Reuven 14/03/07
  229.   WHY is it that a 3rd JEWISH TEMPLE cannot be built in WJerusal 21:06  |  Amir 14/03/07
  230.   Losing Jerusalem 21:06  |  Garry 14/03/07
  231.   Armenian Quarter 21:09  |  ODP 14/03/07
  232.   Tosefta 21:11  |  ODP 14/03/07
  233.   222 - Jerusalem is Mentioned in the Torah 613 times 21:12  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  234.   #127Simon Jerusalem is divided between East and West. 21:15  |  Ishmael 14/03/07
  235.   Yaakov Sullivan, wrong answer 21:15  |  Jake 14/03/07
  236.   THK # 215- scary stuff 21:20  |  Sergei 14/03/07
  237.   234 - Jerusalem is the undivided capital of Israel 21:24  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  238.   Swiss Dino, pride comes before the fall 21:25  |  Jake 14/03/07
  239.   #233 Bruriah Sarah on the Torah 21:29  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  240.   Jake, Jerusalem and the Palestinians #235 21:30  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  241.   tosefta re. bruriah sarah 21:30  |  maria 14/03/07
  242.   #232 ODP on Jerusalem 21:36  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  243.   Jake you statement on Arafat is simply wrong #224 21:36  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  244.   Who said this? was he/she correct? 21:37  |  tadchase 14/03/07
  245.   Importance of Jerusalem for Jews 21:41  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  246.   # Sullivan`s gross deriliction of history #226 21:43  |  Jake 14/03/07
  247.   Amir #229 21:46  |  ballistic 14/03/07
  248.   old city has to stay israeli 21:51  |  daniel 14/03/07
  249.   History of Jerusalem 21:53  |  Bruriah Sarah 14/03/07
  250.   Sullivan, the Saudis recognized Israel in 2003? 21:54  |  Jake 14/03/07
  251.   Huba #182l: YHWH has ALREADY said it! It will be so... 21:56  |  Psalm 14/03/07
  252.   # 210 Hamza 21:57  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  253.   #239 Maria 22:00  |  tadchase 14/03/07
  254.   Tosefta # 222 22:02  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  255.   Jake now starts on the Armenians #246 22:03  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/03/07
  256.   Sullivan, Arafat not only approved the visit 22:03  |  Jake 14/03/07
  257.   Dvid from Michigan #149 22:04  |  Foxbat 14/03/07
  258.   11# UN quarters in Jerusalem ? 22:08  |  Nora 14/03/07
  259.   Sullivan # 238 22:11  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  260.   Sullivan on Sharon`s visit to Temple Mount 22:16  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  261.   Text of letter by Ariel Sharon after visit 22:21  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  262.   Swiss Dino, #201 22:22  |  Jake 14/03/07
  263.   Different than in US 22:26  |  Jamal Khawaja 14/03/07
  264.   East jerusalem, david, michigan 22:26  |  Yaakov 14/03/07
  265.   Arab demands and the naive apeasers 22:27  |  Schtarker Yid 14/03/07
  266.   Ishmael # 234 I Can`t See "the Light of Peace" 22:40  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  267.   Yaa Cow O`Sullivan 22:40  |  GABE1 14/03/07
  268.   Yakov-Yakov-Yakov 22:42  |  Samaritan 14/03/07
  269.   Bruriah Sarah 22:49  |  Psalm 14/03/07
  270.   Did Israel pout over East Jerusalem before 1967? 22:54  |  Ibrahim 14/03/07
  271.   tadchase # 244 23:00  |  Psalm 14/03/07
  272.   My My AN IMPOSTER BALLISTIC, image that 23:02  |  ballistic 14/03/07
  273.   No State 23:03  |  Salty 14/03/07
  274.   The Arrogance of Ignorance 23:21  |  VICTIMSofARABTERROR 14/03/07
  275.   # 238 Jake 23:21  |  Swiss (Dino) 14/03/07
  276.   Bruriah Sarah 23:32  |  Mark Lincoln 14/03/07
  277.   # 262 Ibrahim- you raise a very important 23:32  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  278.   # 262 Ibrahim- you raise a very important 23:32  |  ChanahS 14/03/07
  279.   Sullivan on Sharon`s al-Aqsa visit 23:51  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  280.   # 108 Abu Ali 23:53  |  Sami B 14/03/07
  281.   Jamal Khawaja # 253 Economic Criteria 23:59  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  282.   VictimsofARABTERROR #274 00:00  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  283.   tosefta - re: bruriah sarah 00:02  |  ben goodman 15/03/07
  284.   "Two state" solution is Final Solution for Israel 00:03  |  Chaim 15/03/07
  285.   Mr D Rubinstein 00:03  |  Leah M 15/03/07
  286.   #278 HOW DO YOU KNOW IBRAHIM ?? 00:06  |  paul harris 15/03/07
  287.   who ruled jerusalem during bible time? 00:15  |  maria 15/03/07
  288.   D Rubinstein 00:17  |  Alfonso M 15/03/07
  289.   #272ballistic Same here! 00:17  |  Maureen Ann 15/03/07
  290.   Yaakov~Palestinian history 00:37  |  Avrum 15/03/07
  291.   #267 Gabe1 Poster 00:55  |  tad 15/03/07
  292.   Ibrahim the problem is not Jerusalem 01:23  |  Daniel Leopold 15/03/07
  293.   No matter what the arabs get, it becomes a 01:32  |  TOMY 15/03/07
  294.   If the arabs can terrorize Israel, they are 01:42  |  TOMY 15/03/07
  295.   Tad #291 01:43  |  GABE1 15/03/07
  296.   Psalm #269. Pot kettle Black 02:03  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  297.   THE POLL 4 the PALS 02:04  |  Bo 15/03/07
  298.   Maria #287 02:04  |  GABE1 15/03/07
  299.   An Armenian opinion 02:08  |  Magar 15/03/07
  300.   BRURIAH SARAH 02:12  |  GABE1 15/03/07
  301.   So be it 02:13  |  Dr David I. Gross 15/03/07
  302.   Gabe1: #133 02:15  |  CHGODMK 15/03/07
  303.   Jerusalem in the Bible; the exact figures (Bruriah, Chanah, Ben) 02:16  |  Tosefta 15/03/07
  304.   Ronnie Wolman: Absolutes 02:19  |  CHGODMK 15/03/07
  305.   Psalm and Ezekiel 02:22  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  306.   Re:tad#291 02:26  |  e.m 15/03/07
  307.   Wrong Ibrahim 02:28  |  Danite 15/03/07
  308.   According to Saint Barghouti 02:31  |  Danite 15/03/07
  309.   Face Reality 02:33  |  Danite 15/03/07
  310.   To Ian from the UK 02:41  |  Michael 15/03/07
  311.   # 86 Johnny Weintraub 02:44  |  Lynn 15/03/07
  312.   Divided cities 02:58  |  Philippe 15/03/07
  313.   Jerusalem property 03:02  |  Philippe 15/03/07
  314.   Magar: An Armenian Opinion 03:03  |  CHGODMK 15/03/07
  315.   Magar 03:05  |  Danite 15/03/07
  316.   Danite # 305 03:08  |  GABE1 15/03/07
  317.   #235 Jake 03:08  |  Labhras 15/03/07
  318.   CHGODMK 03:10  |  Danite 15/03/07
  319.   Danny is anti Israel, period 03:16  |  chad gadia 15/03/07
  320.   gabe 1 03:18  |  maria 15/03/07
  321.   #280 Sami B 03:37  |  Labhras 15/03/07
  322.   What`s next, Jaffa, Haifa? 03:37  |  Harry 15/03/07
  323.   Jerusalem 03:37  |  Palestinian 15/03/07
  324.   Hubal: True Irony! 03:44  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  325.   Hey Maureen 04:00  |  ballistic 15/03/07
  326.   #172 Tosefta, confusion on my part re: Ottoman Empire built 04:02  |  Smadar 15/03/07
  327.   Hubal: On Prophecy 04:05  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  328.   Tosefta # 303 The Sign of the Beast: 666 04:23  |  Jeff Northridge 15/03/07
  329.   NO Islamist state with a nonnegotiable charter against coexistenc 04:25  |  PETER SM 15/03/07
  330.   Danite 04:27  |  CHGODMK 15/03/07
  331.   #303 Lee Enfield Tosefta 04:35  |  Labhras 15/03/07
  332.   CHGODMK 04:40  |  Danite 15/03/07
  333.   #328 Jeff response to Tosfeta #303 04:47  |  Labhras 15/03/07
  334.   All those names and dates (Smadar #326) 05:01  |  Tosefta 15/03/07
  335.   numbers have symbolic meaning in the bible. 05:16  |  maria 15/03/07
  336.   Not just Jerusalem 05:18  |  Karseboom 15/03/07
  337.   Labhras # 321 The One Is Closer Than You Think 05:25  |  Jeff Northridge 15/03/07
  338.   A gunshot, or something much worse? (Labhras #331) 05:26  |  Tosefta 15/03/07
  339.   Danite 05:27  |  CHGODMK 15/03/07
  340.   Wake up before it is to late 05:28  |  Jack 15/03/07
  341.   Some Jewish info (Jeff Northridge #328) 05:36  |  Tosefta 15/03/07
  342.   Labhras # 333 Half of 666 05:53  |  Jeff Northridge 15/03/07
  343.   Amazing Refusal to Confront Reality 06:20  |  Tod Zuckerman 15/03/07
  344.   No healthy, normal Jewish State with RUBINSTEINS like these... 06:55  |  amir 15/03/07
  345.   Palestinian 07:22  |  Sam 15/03/07
  346.   #26 IF! 07:24  |  eymanameneyman 15/03/07
  347.   Jerusalem unified 07:28  |  RAB 15/03/07
  348.   Jerusalem: Shining city of Danny Rubinstein 07:31  |  Ibrahim Shvonce 15/03/07
  349.   Jerusalem belongs forever to Israel!!!!!! 07:34  |  Infidel 15/03/07
  350.   Danny Rubenstein 07:40  |  Edifice 15/03/07
  351.   #305Hubal And man created... 07:40  |  Maureen Ann 15/03/07
  352.   maria # 335 They Do? 08:10  |  Jeff Northridge 15/03/07
  353.   Jerusalem 08:30  |  Frank 15/03/07
  354.   `working to undermine` 08:38  |  Holden 15/03/07
  355.   cant we be frank and honest for once 08:49  |  jon 15/03/07
  356.   Occupation, NOT THAT BAD? 09:02  |  FOX 15/03/07
  357.   #240 O`sullivan`s BS as usual 09:34  |  Ari ben Yisrael 15/03/07
  358.   Jon, quite the mouthfull #355 09:36  |  FOX 15/03/07
  359.   Sam# 345 I agree 09:38  |  Palestinian 15/03/07
  360.   #289 the real Mo-ann 09:58  |  Joe Moer 15/03/07
  361.   356# Fox, you are wrong! 10:04  |  Palestinians 15/03/07
  362.   Ballistic @325 10:04  |  Ari ben Yisrael 15/03/07
  363.   #356 Fox........ U R 100% correct 10:09  |  Ari ben Yisrael 15/03/07
  364.   Give them a finger and 10:25  |  Nechama 15/03/07
  365.   #324/327 Psalm. Names and Games 11:24  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  366.   It would be totally INSANE! to give up Jerusalem 11:37  |  Nechama 15/03/07
  367.   #324/327 Psalm. Names and Games. 11:43  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  368.   Danny Rubinstein 11:56  |  Shaul B 15/03/07
  369.   If the pals get East Jerusalem their Kassams can be short range 12:05  |  Sharon 15/03/07
  370.   Hubal: Word from the Pagan Idol? 13:24  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  371.   Jeff Northridge and Tosefta: 666 and 667 14:03  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  372.   Jeff Northridge: On Revelation 14:09  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  373.   #370 Psalm. Bitterness born of rejection. 14:35  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  374.   #370 Psalm. Bitterness born of rejection. 14:35  |  Hubal 15/03/07
  375.   So be it - Amen 16:00  |  S Judah 15/03/07
  376.   #362 Ari ben Yisrael 17:03  |  ballistic 15/03/07
  377.   #249 bruriah sarah 17:50  |  riffs 15/03/07
  378.   Demonstrates why Israel is at Risk 18:09  |  David Zion 15/03/07
  379.   one state solution 20:16  |  Deborah 15/03/07
  380.   Jerusalem 20:44  |  john 15/03/07
  381.   Hubal: Baal and Conspiracy Fantasies 22:27  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  382.   John #380: You are spot on! (end) 22:29  |  Psalm 15/03/07
  383.   Rubenstein`s typical fantasies 23:10  |  David Teich 15/03/07
  384.   Psalm. Keep up with the group! 02:12  |  Hubal 16/03/07
  385.   Psalm. Keep up with the group! 02:13  |  Hubal 16/03/07
  386.   Psalm. Keep up with the group! 02:45  |  Hubal 16/03/07
  387.   #383 Man, everywhere I look, there is David Teich 08:39  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
  388.   Hubal: Silliness? 12:00  |  Psalm 16/03/07
  389.   Hubal: On Pagan gods 14:14  |  Psalm 16/03/07
  390.   Psalm. Don`t bear false witness! 14:16  |  Hubal 16/03/07
  391.   Psalm this is what you wrote. 17:12  |  Hubal 16/03/07
  392.   Yakov just scratches the surface 20:19  |  Gary Katz 16/03/07
  393.   Who do you think you all are? 20:54  |  Shmuel 16/03/07
  394.   Temple Mount 20:57  |  Shmuel 16/03/07
  395.   #361 22:18  |  Moshe 16/03/07
  396.   Hubal: Stuff and Nonsense 01:22  |  Psalm 17/03/07
  397.   387: Yup, JB, you can`t hide from the truth 13:13  |  David Teich 17/03/07
  398.   Psalm. Shifting your stance again? 14:04  |  Hubal 17/03/07
  399.   Shifting position again Psalm? 14:51  |  Hubal 17/03/07
  400.   Hubal: On Linguistics (Part 1) 16:15  |  Psalm 17/03/07
  401.   Hubal: On Linguistics (Part 2) 16:26  |  Psalm 17/03/07
  402.   Danny Rubinstein is a self-hating Jew 16:37  |  Irene Heynemann 17/03/07
  403.   Psalm. Logicmeister! 19:49  |  Hubal 17/03/07
  404.   Hubal: Please Try Something Else... 21:23  |  Psalm 17/03/07
  405.   Hubal: On a Serious Note :) 22:05  |  Psalm 17/03/07
  406.   The British realy mucked this all up! 01:14  |  Fivish 18/03/07
  407.   Psalm. JEPD is alive and well. 02:58  |  Hubal 18/03/07
  408.   Hubal: And Your Point? (Part 1) 07:25  |  Psalm 18/03/07
  409.   #397 2nd try to be heard over David`s Yap! Yap! Yap! 07:27  |  Johnboy 18/03/07
  410.   Hubal: The Point (Part 2) 07:40  |  Psalm 18/03/07
  411.   #397 Part 2 - honestly, David Teich is delusional 07:50  |  Johnboy 18/03/07
  412.   409: JB`s not just ignorant and a liar, he`s unoriginal p1 10:29  |  David Teich