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Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal, speaking at the International Conference for Support to Lebanon in Paris on January 25. (Reuters)
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Arab leaders rule out amending Saudi proposal
By News Agencies

With Israeli leaders showing renewed interest in a regional peace plan, heavyweight Arab countries said Tuesday the land-for-peace offer should not be changed during an Arab summit in Saudi Arabia later this month.

Last week, the Arab League said it would relaunch the 2002 initiative in an effort to end the decades-long conflict with Israel. But Arab leaders said the peace deal would not include changes Israel has been pushing for.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has said that Israel would not accept the Arab peace plan as it is, but would ask that any reference be dropped on the issue of the right of the Palestinians displaced in the 1948 War of Independence to return to their homes inside Israel. On Sunday, Prime Minster Ehud Olmert told his Cabinet he was prepared to treat the Saudi proposal seriously.

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Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria on Tuesday explained their reasons for turning down Israel's request to amend the proposal.

"We have the Arab peace plan and we are committed to it as a whole. Talk about amending it is baseless," Syrian Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa said Tuesday after meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. "What we want is returning all the occupied land including Jerusalem."

Mubarak's spokesman Suleiman Awwad said Egypt also rejects the Israeli demands for amending the plan.

"Israel cannot pick and choose from the initiative and then jump into establishing normal relations with Arabs," Awwad said. "The Arab plan offers full withdrawal for full peace."

"We have no desire to negotiate over this," said Saudi foreign minister, Saud Al-Faisal. "They accept the resolution and then they talk about putting preconditions that should be accepted before negotiations or discussions or even the acceptance of the proposal. This is not a good
way to do business.

The initiative is a set of principles that would offer Israel full recognition and permanent peace with the Arab states in return for Israel's withdrawal to 1967 lines, the establishment of an independent Palestine with East Jerusalem as its capital and an agreed, just solution to the issue of Palestinian refugees in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 194 of 1948.

"There will be no retreat, and no change to the Arab initiative, because the Palestinian people have got rights, detailed in the initiative ... such rights must be protected," Egypt's Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is expected to discuss the initiative during her meeting Wednesday in Washington with Rice, who is scheduled to fly to the region next week in a fresh bid to revive efforts by the Quartet of Mideast peace negotiators - the U.S., EU, U.N. and Russia - to try to
jump-start the Palestinian-Israeli peace talks.

Aboul Gheit said that Rice will meet with foreign ministries of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates on March 25 in Aswan, southern Egypt. He also said that she will back to the region in April.

Saudis slam Israel over peace talk preconditions
Saudi Arabia criticized Israel on Tuesday for setting preconditions to Middle East peace talks and urged it to accept the Arab initiative first and discuss details later.

"We only hear of conditions from Israel about everything, but no acceptance. You cannot have negotiations like that, you accept the proposals then you talk about this," al-Faisal said.

"This seems a ludicrous way of doing business," he said at a news conference with visiting European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

A 2002 Arab League summit in Beirut adopted a Saudi initiative offering Israel normal ties with Arab countries in return for full withdrawal from land it occupied in the 1967 Middle East war.

On Sunday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert appeared to open the door to exploring whether the Saudi plan could aid the quest for an Israeli-Palestinian settlement. The initiative, he said, "is a subject we would be willing to treat seriously."

But Israel has said it cannot accept some terms in the proposal, including the total withdrawal from territory captured in the 1967 Six Day War and the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel.

Diplomats in Riyadh, which hosted Palestinian crisis talks in the holy city of Mecca last month, speculate that Saudi Arabia wants to revive the initiative.

The Mecca meeting led to a unity government deal between Islamist group Hamas and Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction, and ended fighting between the two groups.

Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, who belongs to Hamas, said on Saturday he and Abbas would travel to Saudi Arabia after the government is formed for a summit to revive the plan.

Prince Saud praised the EU for welcoming the Mecca deal. "We look forward to the (EU) support ... for the Palestinian government," he said.

Solana said the EU would grant more aid to the Palestinians this year than in 2006. Israel has been withholding tax revenues the Palestinian Authority uses to pay government staff since Hamas won parliamentary elections in January 2006.

Meanwhile, a Hamas source said Tuesday that part of the $100 million in tax revenues transferred by Israel to Abbas went to pay security services, including members of a Hamas-led force.

Western powers have also frozen direct aid to the Hamas-led government.

"We will not let the Palestinian people down," Solana said.

Lebanon crisis
Prince Saud hinted little progress had been made in ending a rift between the Lebanese government and opposition parties, led by the Shi'ite Muslim Hezbollah, after a rare visit to Riyadh by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad earlier this month.

Hezbollah is backed by Syria and Iran, while Saudi Arabia, the United States and France support the government.

"We hope that Iran, whatever influence it has over some of the factions in Lebanon, will work for normaliztion so that negotiations can be carried out between protagonists, without feeling they have a gun pointed at their heads," he said.

Solana said he would discuss with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Damascus on Wednesday how to improve the situation in Lebanon.

He said the next meeting of the Quartet of Middle East peace brokers - the United States, European Union, Russia and the United Nations -- would be held in the region with Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabi and the United Arab Emirates also attending.

Diplomatic sources say the meeting will be held in Egypt in the second half of April.

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      1.   V ERY GOOD SO SAUDI RECOGNISES ISRAEL FIRST 18:32  |  paul harris 13/03/07
      2.   israeli acceptance 18:41  |  mike 13/03/07
      3.   Saudi Arabia 18:44  |  Edifice 13/03/07
      4.   Saudis need to be overthrown 18:46  |  Sa 13/03/07
      5.   Israel rejecting the road map and Saudi plan 18:46  |  ILGWU Houses 13/03/07
      6.   Saudi precondition for peace: Israel`s suicide 18:54  |  Yacov 13/03/07
      7.   Saudis blowing hot air 18:57  |  Dov 13/03/07
      8.   Always a dictatorship 18:57  |  Avi Cohen 13/03/07
      9.   Saudi peace conference 19:01  |  Sam 13/03/07
      10.   Sorry all. What I really mean is.... 19:06  |  Avi Cohen 13/03/07
      11.   NO to Saudi Crap 19:08  |  Brod 13/03/07
      12.   arab market negotiations. dealer asks 100 offer 1 then way later 19:13  |  rallph 13/03/07
      13.   let me get this straight 19:13  |  vik 13/03/07
      14.   We are both angry? 19:21  |  From the Moon 13/03/07
      15.   Saudi Arabia 19:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
      16.   It is only fair that the Palestinians be allowed to return 19:26  |  Ted 13/03/07
      17.   Israel Must Be Forced To Accept Peace 19:30  |  Bullwinkle J. Moose 13/03/07
      18.   # 1 this question should be for u if u have brains at all 19:36  |  arab 13/03/07
      19.   can someone on our cousins` side explain something? 19:38  |  natan 13/03/07
      20.   Call their bluff 19:44  |  robert 13/03/07
      21.   #10 Downing Street Avi? 19:49  |  natan 13/03/07
      22.   no desire for peace on israeli side 19:50  |  john 13/03/07
      23.   The Arab Way in "Business" 19:51  |  Johnny 13/03/07
      24.   Cavete 19:54  |  eh-oop 13/03/07
      25.   not a victim! 19:55  |  david 13/03/07
      26.   And I Hope He Makes That Clear To Rice 19:57  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      27.   Saudis slam Israel 19:58  |  Sharonelle 13/03/07
      28.   Negotiate Changes to Arab Initiative with Abbas 20:13  |  Mozie 13/03/07
      29.   SULLIVAN 20:14  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
      30.   The Saudi Plan 20:21  |  gabriel b.-a. 13/03/07
      31.   Preconditions 20:29  |  JW 13/03/07
      32.   But you, madame, are not #29 20:36  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      33.   Not 2002!!! 20:38  |  Blogowitz 13/03/07
      34.   gabriel b-a, of course not! Address the Proposal!! #30 20:40  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      35.   Oh come on! 20:45  |  Sam 13/03/07
      36.   A translation: "First accept our conditions and only then... 20:51  |  Ephraim 13/03/07
      37.   Israel is right 20:59  |  mohammed Hussein 13/03/07
      38.   Peace + Israel = Oxymoron 21:10  |  Khalil 13/03/07
      39.   mohammad Hussein in riyad #37 21:19  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      40.   To: paul harris # 1 21:19  |  Gabi 13/03/07
      41.   Preconditions, JW, #31 21:20  |  Sharonelle 13/03/07
      42.   The job of Condaleeza Rice 21:22  |  Sam 13/03/07
      43.   FIRST the Saudis had a proposal then THEY changed it under pressu 21:23  |  PETER SM 13/03/07
      44.   Saudi/Israeli negotiations #26 21:24  |  Sharonelle 13/03/07
      45.   Israeli Stupidity Strikes Again 21:36  |  Tod Zuckerman 13/03/07
      46.   Sullivan, you`ve made your point; you hate Israel 21:40  |  McQueen 13/03/07
      47.   why is asking for terrorism to stop too much to ask for?!?!?! 21:44  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      48.   if arabs cant meet simple requests like no terrorism, why bother? 21:46  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      49.   Arabs only conditions for peace are ones they KNOW are impossible 21:47  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      50.   ARABS ALWAYS AVOIDING PEACE 21:48  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      51.   PEACE IS A TWO WAY STREET!! When do the arabs have to start????? 21:49  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      52.   NAME A SINGLE THING ARABS HAVE DONE FOR PEACE!!! 21:50  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      53.   One point in Saudi proposal unacceptable 21:50  |  Esther 13/03/07
      54.   sullivan #39...jews didnt leave...they were KICKED OUT! 21:52  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      55.   What is there to discuss? 21:53  |  Salty 13/03/07
      56.   Arabs are not remotely capable of peace 21:53  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      57.   Yaakov, how does one make peace with terrorists who dont want it? 21:56  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      58.   Not Israel`s pre conditions but Saudia`s 21:58  |  Jasmine Murphy 13/03/07
      59.   ilgwu house taken over by anti israel forces-sad 22:00  |  larry from maine 13/03/07
      60.   McQueen, get a life! #46 22:01  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      61.   ted 22:04  |  larry from maine 13/03/07
      62.   Who really wants peace? 22:04  |  U.S. 13/03/07
      63.   Esther on refugees and the Saudi proposal #53 22:06  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      64.   You are all missing the point 22:07  |  The Realist 13/03/07
      65.   re: Shimon #50 22:16  |  Paulo 13/03/07
      66.   And So Too is....Shimon #57 22:17  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      67.   Israeli preconditions 22:21  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
      68.   Saudi Initiative 22:22  |  Carey Jaffee 13/03/07
      69.   No Saudi pre conditions 22:23  |  Najdt 13/03/07
      70.   @8, avi cohen? you are illiterate idiot, criminals rabin 22:24  |  vladimir 13/03/07
      71.   Yaakov Sulliva would gladly walk israel into oblivion if he could 22:25  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      72.   Saudi Plan 22:29  |  kiwgirl 13/03/07
      73.   @17, bulwincle idiot, how can you enforce 242 on israel? 22:31  |  vlad 13/03/07
      74.   @18, arab, continue and you will be in misery 22:32  |  vladimir 13/03/07
      75.   #39 Sullivan 22:33  |  Nice bloke 13/03/07
      76.   the realist on his history #61 22:35  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
      77.   No preconditions? Accept Saudi terms 22:36  |  Paul Freedman 13/03/07
      78.   Israeli preconditions 22:39  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
      79.   #18 stupid Arab 22:43  |  Alex 13/03/07
      80.   What is Saudi Arabia anyway? 22:43  |  Sheik Wachad 13/03/07
      81.   Ted Is it fair to return to Israel 22:46  |  Aby 13/03/07
      82.   RECOGNITION OF ARABS 22:48  |  THE JUDGE 13/03/07
      83.   #16 Ted - Jews were FORCED TO LEAVE as captives 22:48  |  * BEN JABO 13/03/07
      84.   This isnt peace with unreasonable conditions..its war 22:51  |  David 13/03/07
      85.   To Yaakov Sullivan 22:51  |  Damir 13/03/07
      86.   How Ill PEace Coem to ME? 22:51  |  Howard 13/03/07
      87.   Thank goodness the Arabs are as dumb as Olmert 22:53  |  Gee 13/03/07
      88.   #37, Mohammed, thank you for telling the truth 22:54  |  David 13/03/07
      89.   Way to go Yaacov, you back those Saudis 22:57  |  Jacob Blues 13/03/07
      90.   NOW is the Time TO Ask Why Jewish Refugees from Arab Lands 22:59  |  Me 13/03/07
      91.   arabs are displaced persons 23:11  |  frank 13/03/07
      92.   #58 Jasmine 23:12  |  Johnboy 13/03/07
      93.   Strange Arab, this Sheik Wachad 23:15  |  Mark B. 13/03/07
      94.   Newsflash!! Arabs create Perfect document for Israel 23:16  |  Chcik COrea 13/03/07
      95.   #17 BULLWINKLE THE PEACE PROTAGANIST 23:21  |  paul harris 13/03/07
      96.   Why Don`t The Saudis Just Accept Israel`s Proposal 23:22  |  Brad 13/03/07
      97.   Ted: There is Another Reason 23:24  |  Brad 13/03/07
      98.   Yaakov Sullivan..#66...moral authority who wants death to israel 23:29  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      99.   Paulo....#65....u israel haters ignore history to make your point 23:34  |  SHIMON 13/03/07
      100.   Saudi`s version of negotiations is take it or leave it. 23:38  |  * BEN JABO 13/03/07
      101.   then we walk. like their famous 3-NO`s after 6 day war. fine 23:41  |  ralph 13/03/07
      102.   Response for Yaakov Sullivan #66 23:48  |  Esther 13/03/07
      103.   Saudi Peace Initiative 23:49  |  Moses M. Twersky 13/03/07
      104.   #80-Shaky knowledge of Saudi Arabia 23:53  |  Najdt 13/03/07
      105.   #84 Frank - Arabs VOLUNTARILY displaced themselves 23:54  |  * BEN JABO 13/03/07
      106.   It`s not about preconditions, its about suicide 23:57  |  john 13/03/07
      107.   Why is asking...#47 00:09  |  Sharonelle 14/03/07
      108.   like their 3-no`s before. non-started, send them home. no loose. 00:23  |  ralph 14/03/07
      109.   Why should Palestinian displaced persons get rights 00:35  |  Tom C 14/03/07
      110.   Go Away Saudis 00:48  |  Steven 14/03/07
      111.   #93 *BEN JABO 01:00  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      112.   The King of Saudi Arabia 01:01  |  Mark Lincoln 14/03/07
      113.   Saudis, Israelis and Iranian nukes 01:02  |  Scientist 14/03/07
      114.   Kiwi sure can yammer on 01:15  |  GZLives 14/03/07
      115.   Johnboy-#85-Peace between Palestine and Falastin 01:42  |  Daniel Leopold 14/03/07
      116.   9/11 perps feel sure Israel would capitulate.Jerk Rabin has shown 01:46  |  Absolute Sweden 14/03/07
      117.   Israel should tell the Arabs not interested it`s not one sided 01:48  |  Kipperraes 14/03/07
      118.   #106 Tom C - Arabs have less rights than Jews 01:56  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      119.   To Many Israeli`s Died fighting To get Those 67 Borders 01:57  |  The Warrior 14/03/07
      120.   #100 *BEN JABO - take it or leave it, indeed! 02:19  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      121.   FIGHTING TO THE LAST PALESTINIAN 02:34  |  Brant 14/03/07
      122.   #94 Chick Corea does not know the difference between.. 02:35  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      123.   Saudi Arabia - Such a TINY COUNTRY 02:44  |  Me 14/03/07
      124.   #118 Johnboy 02:49  |  Steven 14/03/07
      125.   #115 Daniel erects a straw man 02:49  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      126.   #117 Kipperaes, I`m curious... 03:00  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      127.   I Want My Own Oil Well! 03:51  |  Yosemite 14/03/07
      128.   #124 Steven 03:59  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      129.   Arabs rule out peace. This is new? 04:21  |  David 14/03/07
      130.   Johnboy 04:58  |  Tom C 14/03/07
      131.   Politicobabble 05:36  |  Sam 14/03/07
      132.   Johnboy-#125-Is it a straw or a boogie man? 06:18  |  Daniel Leopold 14/03/07
      133.   #130 Tom C doesn`t know what I am talking about 06:22  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      134.   reply #41 Sharonelle - Preconditions 06:31  |  JW 14/03/07
      135.   johnyboy 06:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
      136.   #130 Tom C - one more thing 06:39  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      137.   if I may remind all Arab states 06:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
      138.   #135 Cipora sure does miss the point 08:14  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      139.   #132 Daniel, oh, I don`t doubt it`s your boogie man 08:29  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      140.   #137 Well, its a novel argument, Cipora, I`ll grant you that. 09:13  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      141.   Johnny boy 09:49  |  Jasmine Murphy 14/03/07
      142.   137: Not quite right Cipora 11:00  |  David Teich 14/03/07
      143.   Johnboy 11:12  |  Daniel 14/03/07
      144.   #141 Jazzy Girl and her revisionist nonsense 11:25  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      145.   A Geographical Perspective for Johnboy 11:25  |  Daniel 14/03/07
      146.   #145 Planet Earth to Daniel. Planet Earth to Daniel. 12:32  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
      147.   ARABA ARE JUST NOT SERIOUS ABOUT COEXISTANCE 14:22  |  Ian 14/03/07
      148.   THE JOHNBOY CHRONICLES, CONTINUED 14:23  |  Brant 14/03/07
      149.   anti-Israeli propagandists? 15:00  |  Murray 14/03/07
      150.   Arab surrender (peace) initiative 15:37  |  Fred Kass 14/03/07
      151.   All you need to know about Islam 16:22  |  Jay 14/03/07
      152.   Read the article carefully. Israel didn`t set preconditions 18:38  |  sheri 14/03/07
      153.   #14 Moon - you have an incorrect understanding of Jewish culture 18:47  |  sheri 14/03/07
      154.   #38 Khalil 18:59  |  sheri 14/03/07
      155.   Re: israeli acceptance 19:41  |  Al Solanki 14/03/07
      156.   #142, David Teich 22:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
      157.   #152 Shen says black is white, and night is day. 00:58  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      158.   #149 Murray, compare the Saudi plan to the Road Map 01:13  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      159.   #148 Brant goes the ad hom route. 01:26  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      160.   #156 Cipora 01:41  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      161.   to #16 02:38  |  garrick 15/03/07
      162.   To all of you Israel-haters 02:54  |  garrick 15/03/07
      163.   #160, johnnyboy 04:58  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/03/07
      164.   #163 Sheer nonsense from you Cipora 06:09  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      165.   #164, Johnnyboy 10:02  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/03/07
      166.   #165 Cipora, you are dreaming, or truly ignorant. 23:07  |  Johnboy 15/03/07
      167.   156: Cipora, ignorance isn`t helping the cause 23:13  |  David Teich 15/03/07
      168.   160: Wow, JB the blind arguing with the blind 23:18  |  David Teich 15/03/07
      169.   #168 Man! David`s BS stinks today! 06:13  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      170.   #168 Phew! David, here`s another one! Gasp! Gasp! 06:22  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      171.   #168 David!! You dropped another one!! 06:37  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      172.   #168 Yuck David! This one`s curled up inside itself! Ewwwww! 06:51  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      173.   #168 One more try to point out the biggest pile of all 08:01  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      174.   #168 David, let`s kick this one into the gutter too. 08:16  |  Johnboy 16/03/07
      175.   169-74: JB`s starting to spew like Ballistic (2nd try) 10:43  |  David Teich 18/03/07
      176.   #175 David Teich - like talking to a very thick brick wall 14:17  |  Johnboy 18/03/07
      177.   176: And JB`s like the Little Piggy with the straw house 15:29  |  David Teich 18/03/07
      178.   #176 Here`s another one from David Teich 13:53  |  Johnboy 19/03/07
      179.   #177 David Teich let`s the truth slip out!!!! 00:46  |  Johnboy 20/03/07
      180.   Return of the Palestinians 23:42  |  Marshall Sindelman 22/03/07
      181.   The "Return" 00:11  |  Marshall Sindelman 23/03/07
      182.   Wow, JB, 2 posts, 0 content 17:27  |  David Teich 25/03/07
      183.   #182 Wow! More meaningless words from David 07:31  |  Johnboy 26/03/07
      184.   Wow, Mr. Useless Tangent at it again 10:51  |  David Teich 27/03/07
      185.   #184 WTF!!! David Teich just loves to tear up prior agreements 12:15  |  Johnboy 27/03/07
      186.   185: Tangents and swearing, so sad 14:12  |  David Teich 27/03/07
      187.   #186 David Teich just does not understand 13:56  |  Johnboy 28/03/07
      188.   187: Of course I understand, JB (3rd try) 09:10  |  David Teich 04/04/07
      189.   #188 No David, you clearly don`t understand 03:25  |  Johnboy 10/04/07
      190.   189: I`ve asked you before, JB, want syrup? 10:16  |  David Teich 18/04/07
      191.   #190 David`s crazy make-believe world. 02:02  |  Johnboy 21/04/07
      192.   JB talks about fantasy? 11:30  |  David Teich 22/04/07
      193.   #192 David apparently hasn`t read the agreement he cherishes 14:10  |  Johnboy 22/04/07
      194.   193: JB, even the vaguest glimmer that you accepted my point? 12:00  |  David Teich 25/04/07
      195.   #194 David truncates his quotes, again 03:53  |  Johnboy 26/04/07
      196.   195: Puppy, you`re strength of denial is always so sad (2nd try) 13:32  |  DAvid Teich 29/04/07
      197.   #196 David, so sorry, makes his mistake in the 1st line 15:48  |  Johnboy 29/04/07
      198.   #196 David forgets an important fact 15:54  |  Johnboy 29/04/07
      199.   Again proving my subject line 15:02  |  David Teich 01/05/07
      200.   #199 Marking David`s report card Part 1 06:14  |  Johnboy 02/05/07
      201.   #199 Marking David`s report cart Part 2 09:06  |  Johnboy 02/05/07
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