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Does Palestine have the right to exist?
By Bradley Burston

Nationalism often robs a people of its intelligence even as it grants that people a sense of dignity.

Israel may serve as an instructive example. The Palestinians are giving every indication that they are not far behind.

The Hamas-Fatah government is assuming power at the low-water mark in decades for Palestinian nationalism. The movement for an independent Palestine, at once fueled and hobbled by the occupation, is in a state of atomized despair, the memory of internal blood feuds still fresh, its international standing, no less than the welfare of the people under its rule, slipping from nadir to nadir.

There is a certain stubborn irony in the circumstance that a central stumbling block to international recognition of the legitimacy of the Palestinian government's right to exist, has been that government's refusal to recognize the legitimacy of Israel's right to exist.

Stated differently, the movement to found a Palestinian state has not been well-served by the strategy of suggesting that the very establishment of its neighbor Israel was a historical abomination.

Nor was the cause moved far forward this week, when Hamas, stung by Al-Qaida criticism of its coalition deal with Fatah, declared it was still committed to Israel's destruction.

Defending itself to Osama Bin Laden's deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, who said "They have ditched the movement of martyrdom operations - for a government that plays with words in palace halls," Hamas was quick to issue a statement of reassurance:

"We will not betray promises we made to God to continue the path of jihad and resistance until the liberation of Palestine, all of Palestine."

"So be assured, Doctor Ayman, and all those who love Palestine like yourself, that Hamas is still the group you knew when it was founded and it will never abandon its path."

Of late, it has become something of a fashion to explain why Hamas refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist, by arguing that it was an error for anyone to have ever agreed to do so.

The drumbeat began years ago, with opinion pieces such as Faisal Bodi's Israel simply has no right to exist, which appeared in the Guardian at the outset of the second intifada.

"Certainly there is no moral case for the existence of Israel," Bodi writes, attacking the PLO for having accepted Israel's right to exist as part of the Oslo peace process. With a nod to the intifada, Bodi suggests that grass roots Palestinian society, left to its own, would not have made the same mistake. "As the latest troubles have shown, ordinary Palestinians are not prepared to follow their leaders in this feat of intellectual amnesia."

Neither, apparently, is Saudi-based attorney and author John V. Whitbeck. The demand that Hamas recognize Israel's right to exist is "unreasonable, immoral, and impossible to meet." Whitbeck wrote in the Christian Science Monitor last month.

Whitbeck underscores the distinction between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist."

"From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. For Palestinians to acknowledge the occurrence of the Naqba - the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 - is one thing. For them to publicly concede that it was 'right' for the Naqba to have happened would be something else entirely."

The invocation of the Holocaust in a different context, direct comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany made by Palestinians and their supporters, has also little advanced the Palestinian drive for legitimacy.

An apparent rise in such comparisons by Germans has triggered apprehension in Israel, even among some leftists whose own criticism of Israel is unsparing, and whose support for a Palestinian state is strong. In a January opinion poll by the Bertelsmann Foundation, 30 percent of German respondents agreed that Israel was doing to the Palestinians "what the Nazis did to the Jews in the Third Reich."

More recently, when a group of German bishops followed a visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial with a trip to the West Bank, Bishop Gregor Maria Hanke of Eichstatt told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper:

"In the morning, we see the photos of the inhuman Warsaw Ghetto, and this evening we travel to the ghetto in Ramallah; that makes you angry."

The Palestinian arguments against recognizing Israel are many, and often well-articulated. Palestinians believe that they should not be made to pay the price of the Holocaust, and they are right. Palestinians believe that they have been subjugated, mistreated, and denied self-determination, and they are right.

Palestinians believe, as well, that the existence of the state of Israel should not come at the expense of the existence of a state of Palestine. And that is true as well.

But if Palestinians are to have a legitimate, internationally recognized state of their own, it must not come at the expense of the existence of the state of Israel.

That is to say, if it is necessary for Hamas to nurse its dreams of destroying Israel by military force in order to establish a Greater Palestine from the river to the sea, it can think again about international recognition.

There is, after all, a name for the kind of government that does that to another country: an occupying power.

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  1.   All this "bla, bla, bla..." about the right to exist..... 11:00  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/03/07
  2.   Does Palestine have the right to exist? More than Israel 11:00  |  John 16/03/07
  3.   If Palestine has no right to exist in Palestine..Israel has no 11:06  |  Khalid 16/03/07
  4.   The Palestinians are demanding a state in Tel Aviv 11:15  |  KA 16/03/07
  5.   Narratives and mutual recognition 11:31  |  Tzfonit 16/03/07
  6.   Time for OCCUPATION to desist, Palestine already EXISTS 11:33  |  Joe 16/03/07
  7.   "right" to exist? 11:33  |  Des 16/03/07
  8.   the palestine stae has existed IN JORDAN FROM1922 11:37  |  paul harris 16/03/07
  9.   EVEN A BACTERIA HAS 11:37  |  indrajaya 16/03/07
  10.   Palestine doesn`t exist... 11:40  |  Avi Mor 16/03/07
  11.   Palestine as an independent state does have the right to exist,.. 11:41  |  Nadav 16/03/07
  12.   NO PALESTINE! ONE SECULAR DEMOCTAIC ISRAEL!! 11:47  |  Ruba 16/03/07
  13.   Bacteria 11:50  |  Des 16/03/07
  14.   Bradley Burston 11:52  |  Gabi S 16/03/07
  15.   Whitbeck has a point 11:52  |  tom s 16/03/07
  16.   Get your facts straight 12:02  |  Get Facts 16/03/07
  17.   Palestine does exist.. Do Hashemites have right to rule it? 12:03  |  Yacov 16/03/07
  18.   NO, Bradley, Palestine has no right to exist. 12:10  |  Psalm 16/03/07
  19.   what rubbish... get a real job 12:14  |  jjj 16/03/07
  20.   4#KA TALKS ABOUT STATES BAASED ON RELIGION!!! 12:19  |  alonitzafoni 16/03/07
  21.   Yacov 12:26  |  Walid 16/03/07
  22.   Thanks Tzofonit! No.5 12:26  |  Amal El-Chazli 16/03/07
  23.   At least as much as Israel 12:30  |  WhoAskedYouAnyway? 16/03/07
  24.   12# PART 1 12:34  |  alonitzafoni 16/03/07
  25.   John #2 12:34  |  Avi Yerushalmi 16/03/07
  26.   Paying The Price Of The Holocaust 12:36  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  27.   Paul Harris is Right (Post No. 8) 12:37  |  Johnny Weintraub 16/03/07
  28.   Two points 12:38  |  Choni Davidowitz 16/03/07
  29.   12# PART 2 12:40  |  alonitzafoni 16/03/07
  30.   TomS @1# 12:41  |  Avi Yerushalmi 16/03/07
  31.   what if? 12:42  |  Farah 16/03/07
  32.   #15- Kurdistan in the Galil 12:43  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  33.   With defenders like this who needs enemies 12:43  |  Shalom Freedman 16/03/07
  34.   So this reminds me of a story. One day 12:50  |  John 16/03/07
  35.   Does Israel Have The Right To Exist 12:53  |  Keith Wright 16/03/07
  36.   Aonitzafoni: They don`t ask "who is your mother." 12:53  |  KA 16/03/07
  37.   Both Israel and Palestine have the right to exist 13:00  |  ScotGuy 16/03/07
  38.   No it does not! 13:01  |  Steven 16/03/07
  39.   Actually, With The Exception Of Israel... 13:01  |  Yosemite 16/03/07
  40.   Their Rights to Exist and My Right Arm 13:05  |  Ronnie Wolman 16/03/07
  41.   Nadav #11 13:06  |  CHGODMK 16/03/07
  42.   #11, Nadav. Inconsistent reasoning of consistent desire 1. 13:07  |  zmogus 16/03/07
  43.   As usual Khalid entirely misses the point 13:08  |  Fairplay 16/03/07
  44.   Khalid - less then 1million arabs fled Israel in 1947-48 13:08  |  Jabadini 16/03/07
  45.   #11, Nadav. Inconsistent reasoning of consistent desire 2. 13:10  |  zmogus 16/03/07
  46.   Burston`s unfounded opinions 13:13  |  Proud Zionist 16/03/07
  47.   Does Palestine have the right to exist?-PALS missed their chance 13:13  |  Vittorio 16/03/07
  48.   KA: BULL! 13:14  |  CHGODMK 16/03/07
  49.   @ Swiss (Dino) #1 13:26  |  René Fries 16/03/07
  50.   Israeli are Iraqi 13:29  |  MM 16/03/07
  51.   Why Publish This Article ? 13:50  |  Yoram 16/03/07
  52.   Yes to Palestine but not on Jewish land 13:56  |  Igor 16/03/07
  53.   Nadav #11 13:59  |  Gabe 1 16/03/07
  54.   Both Nations Must Take An Historic Leap 14:03  |  Yaakov Sullivan 16/03/07
  55.   If Israel exists 14:04  |  Chris Linthwaite 16/03/07
  56.   Both Sides Must Be Ready to Take the Leap-Part II 14:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 16/03/07
  57.   What do "the facts on the ground" in "Judea" and "Samaria" say 14:19  |  Apartheid 16/03/07
  58.   CHGODMK: lies, lies, lies 14:25  |  KA 16/03/07
  59.   also, .... 14:27  |  Jeff 16/03/07
  60.   Let them have JORDAN 14:28  |  The Equalizer 16/03/07
  61.   42:Can you tell me Israel`s borders before you demand that I 14:29  |  KA 16/03/07
  62.   For Bradley 14:32  |  Clickfool 16/03/07
  63.   Ronni..some Jewish maps show Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Cyprus, Jordan 14:32  |  KA 16/03/07
  64.   As it has been said, CHGODMK, prophecy has only been given to ... 14:32  |  Nadav 16/03/07
  65.   Do IVADERS have a right 2 exist? in B.B`s house? 14:33  |  sam 16/03/07
  66.   Vittorio: We missed our chance..? Don`t worry 14:34  |  KA 16/03/07
  67.   Palestine already exists 14:34  |  Herbert Kaine 16/03/07
  68.   57#APARTHEID MY BACKSIDE!!!! 14:37  |  alonitzafoni 16/03/07
  69.   "39, Ronnie Wolman. Exactly how long is your "right hand"? 14:38  |  zmogus 16/03/07
  70.   "They are right?" 14:40  |  Mark 16/03/07
  71.   Palestine does have the right to be a state, 14:41  |  Lynn 16/03/07
  72.   Yaakov Sullivan 14:44  |  TT 16/03/07
  73.   palestine does have the right to exist in jordan 14:46  |  yishuv 16/03/07
  74.   Palestine:Right to Exist 14:46  |  Mitch Cohen 16/03/07
  75.   Zmogus, the Arabs of Eretz Israel/Palestine were given the ...... 14:46  |  Nadav 16/03/07
  76.   Ronnie Wolman #40 14:47  |  Gabe1 16/03/07
  77.   NON-EXISTANT BY ANTI-PURPOSE AND HATEFUL MEANS 14:53  |  B 16/03/07
  78.   Gabe 1, I don`t mean to confuse you, and if I do, I am sorry. Yet 14:59  |  Nadav 16/03/07
  79.   Believing in a right vs. political recognition 15:15  |  Tosefta 16/03/07
  80.   Chris Linthwhite #5 15:16  |  Avi Yerushalmi 16/03/07
  81.   Moderation of Hamas; past, present, and future 15:16  |  Tosefta 16/03/07
  82.   Does Palestine have the right to exist? 15:19  |  Nikos Retsos 16/03/07
  83.   # 49 René Fries 15:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/03/07
  84.   Amnon Rubinstein: Forgotten what the Lubavitcher Rebbe told you? 15:23  |  David 16/03/07
  85.   Quid pro quo !!! 15:51  |  Alberto Cohen 16/03/07
  86.   55 chris 15:53  |  natan 16/03/07
  87.   Partition 1947- reversed look 15:54  |  Avrum 16/03/07
  88.   #2 John, You are right, the indegenous palis 16:32  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  89.   for Chris Linthwaite: a logical dead end 16:41  |  Ed 16/03/07
  90.   `right to exist` 16:42  |  matthew 16/03/07
  91.   All the talks are making sence only for 16:43  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  92.   #54,56 Look Before You Leap 16:45  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  93.   The Roman "Palestine" 16:45  |  RAB 16/03/07
  94.   scotguy.......it`s impossible. 16:57  |  maria 16/03/07
  95.   # 11 Nadav. YES PALESTINIANS HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST... 16:59  |  Fed-up 16/03/07
  96.   #59 Ed of Canada 17:00  |  Chris Linthwaite 16/03/07
  97.   Don`t forget that.. 17:02  |  Stef 16/03/07
  98.   No. 17:03  |  Gerry Farkas 16/03/07
  99.   Israel has the right not to be destroyed 17:03  |  George W 16/03/07
  100.   Thoughtful article 17:04  |  Allan 16/03/07
  101.   Amal El Chazli 17:06  |  GABE! 16/03/07
  102.   # 26 Yonatan Netser. AN EXCELLENT POST.. 17:09  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  103.   Palestinian Existance? 17:09  |  Norman 16/03/07
  104.   to Chris Linthwaite#55(2 try) 17:21  |  Ilya 16/03/07
  105.   #32 - Yonatan 17:24  |  tom s 16/03/07
  106.   Joe of Ramallah 17:31  |  John 16/03/07
  107.   Palestine has no right to exist 17:31  |  David Hickson 16/03/07
  108.   Nadav 17:34  |  CHGODMK 16/03/07
  109.   KA: FOOL 17:35  |  CHGODMK 16/03/07
  110.   to khalid # 3 who cares if you recognise israel or americas right 17:37  |  terrornator 16/03/07
  111.   Just for the record, the Babylonians and Assyrians only referred 17:47  |  Apartheid 16/03/07
  112.   The right to exist 17:56  |  Michelle 16/03/07
  113.   Hi Indrajaya 18:01  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  114.   to Joe from Ramallah 18:02  |  someone 16/03/07
  115.   They have the right to co-exist peaceful 18:13  |  Jason 16/03/07
  116.   The Palestine that has no right to exist 18:15  |  Sasson 16/03/07
  117.   Right to Exist? 18:17  |  Charles Dundee 16/03/07
  118.   no state has a "right" to exist 18:22  |  margaret 16/03/07
  119.   #95 Making Peace Difficult 18:24  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  120.   History should tell who has the right to exist (To be continued) 18:28  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  121.   both people have a right to a state but not at the expence of the 18:29  |  David G 16/03/07
  122.   False issue; The right of Palestine to exist 18:29  |  Tosefta 16/03/07
  123.   Khalid, please read my posts #54, #56 18:35  |  Yaakov Sullivan 16/03/07
  124.   History should tell who has the right to exist (To be continued) 18:35  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  125.   Nadav #78 18:40  |  GABE! 16/03/07
  126.   #92 Chris, I think Ed made a point which is 18:42  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  127.   well said,david hickson #103 18:42  |  terrornator 16/03/07
  128.   History should tell who has the right to exist (To be continued) 18:43  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  129.   TZFONIT #5-TRY #4 18:44  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  130.   Jordan is Palestine, no justification for another 18:45  |  David 16/03/07
  131.   History should tell who has the right to exist (To be continued) 18:46  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  132.   # 36 K. ARAB PALESTINIANS ARE A MYTH. LIVE WITH IT.. 18:53  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  133.   tom s # 98 Pragmatism Sounds Good 18:58  |  Jeff Northridge 16/03/07
  134.   Jordan is Arab Palestine 18:59  |  Dr. L. Brnd 16/03/07
  135.   False issue; The right of Palestine to exist 19:04  |  Tosefta 16/03/07
  136.   Palestine 1881: 400,000 Muslim Arabs, 42,000 Christian Arabs, 19:14  |  Apartheid 16/03/07
  137.   Sasson: Just to correct refreash your stupdity 19:18  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  138.   # 92 Chris Linthwaite: so where does this lead 19:19  |  Ed 16/03/07
  139.   I don`t see a lot of pro-palestinians in this talkback. 19:25  |  maria 16/03/07
  140.   Chris Linthwaite: second part 19:28  |  Ed 16/03/07
  141.   Dr. L. Brnd, excuse me, dr. but you...#129 19:33  |  Yaakov Sullivan 16/03/07
  142.   RE: #107 "for the record" 19:34  |  RAB 16/03/07
  143.   human rights...I think the palestinian arabs don`t base their.. 19:46  |  maria 16/03/07
  144.   Existence and the right to exist 19:46  |  Cord H. Kaldrack 16/03/07
  145.   Do Palestinians have the right to exist? 19:47  |  Palestinian Brit 16/03/07
  146.   #139 Ed, The truth is ,the Palis in reality 19:52  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  147.   Palestinian Public opinion is not an important factor.. 19:53  |  Danite 16/03/07
  148.   apartheid...it doesn`t mean they own the land. 19:54  |  maria 16/03/07
  149.   Maria 20:01  |  hannover 16/03/07
  150.   Unless Israel wants to 20:03  |  Mark Lincoln 16/03/07
  151.   !39 Maria about Palestinians not on Talkback 20:04  |  tad 16/03/07
  152.   #26 Hey Yonaton; the price for "peace" 20:10  |  ballistic 16/03/07
  153.   # 137 Human wrongs - ignorant or liar? 20:20  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  154.   KHALID #3- equivalence yet AGAIN 20:26  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  155.   John - you are wrong 20:26  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  156.   HOW ABOUT A FALAFEL? 20:35  |  alan 16/03/07
  157.   Presumably... 20:36  |  tom s 16/03/07
  158.   #145 Not A Hard Question For Israelis 20:37  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  159.   Human Rights # 124, 128, & 131 Interesting 20:37  |  Jeff Northridge 16/03/07
  160.   # 119 Yoantan Netser. YOUR HISTORY IS MINE AS WELL... 20:37  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  161.   KA #61 response to #42 20:42  |  Labhras 16/03/07
  162.   Tomy. You are absouletly right 20:44  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  163.   Gabe: My View and Yours 20:48  |  Ronnie Wolman 16/03/07
  164.   Sullivan #141..Up to the Palestinians??? Not any more. 20:50  |  Dr. L. Brnd 16/03/07
  165.   maria, Learn from this 20:50  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  166.   # 147 Danite. AGREED.CARRY A BIG STICK AND NEVER FORGET FOR ONE 20:53  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  167.   To Apartheid 20:55  |  Lee 16/03/07
  168.   Danite #147 20:57  |  Gabe1 16/03/07
  169.   # 133 Jeff Northridge.PRAGMATISM? I`LL DRINK TO THAT!! 21:00  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  170.   yakov Sullivan 149 21:02  |  Scott 16/03/07
  171.   #111 Apartheid and Babylonian and Assyrians 21:04  |  hala 16/03/07
  172.   #14 Uh, oh, uh, oh Yaakov; you lay it on out there 21:04  |  ballistic 16/03/07
  173.   Palestinians Right to Exist Only Next To Israel 21:08  |  Jane 16/03/07
  174.   To John 2 21:11  |  Lee 16/03/07
  175.   The Islamic State of Palestine is a failed state: Talibanization 21:19  |  Hal 16/03/07
  176.   KA, aka, Khalid, all posts 21:20  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/03/07
  177.   Jeff Northridge 21:25  |  Danite 16/03/07
  178.   Human rights 21:28  |  Danite 16/03/07
  179.   Yes, but Omar is a heretic who Muslims dont recognize 21:29  |  AV 16/03/07
  180.   Fed Up 21:37  |  Danite 16/03/07
  181.   thanks for the information, human rights. 21:39  |  maria 16/03/07
  182.   Farah 21:39  |  Jeremy Woolf 16/03/07
  183.   #155 Sorry, Our History may Be The Same But Our Thughts Are Not 21:42  |  Yonatan Netser 16/03/07
  184.   To Khalid 3 - Israel`s Right to Exist 21:42  |  Lee 16/03/07
  185.   We never denial their right of exist, But only in Jordan 21:43  |  e.m 16/03/07
  186.   I supported a Palestinian state back in 2000 21:45  |  Gina 16/03/07
  187.   Ruba is right 21:48  |  christa 16/03/07
  188.   Does "Palestine" have a right to exist? 21:51  |  Michael Greenberg 16/03/07
  189.   #154: Not difficult to understand what i was driving at 21:52  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  190.   Danite #147 21:58  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  191.   maria # 143 The Basis of Ownership 22:03  |  Jeff Northridge 16/03/07
  192.   # 156 Labhras. FROM THE EMERALD ISLE NO LESS.. 22:09  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  193.   #150 ChanahS, You are the wrong 22:11  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  194.   to Chris Linthwaite 22:14  |  Naftali 16/03/07
  195.   To Alan, 22:23  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  196.   #157 human right, Be honest, do you realy think 22:23  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  197.   # 143 maria. re: HUMAN RIGHTS` VIEW.JUST IGNORE THE RANTINGS.. 22:26  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  198.   Why should they? 22:33  |  KUTW 16/03/07
  199.   Yaacov Sullivan..Everything must be mutual 22:34  |  Khalid 16/03/07
  200.   They have many independent states 22:36  |  KUTW 16/03/07
  201.   #74 Mitch, I hope ,you stay in deaspora 22:40  |  TOMY 16/03/07
  202.   #158 Dr L brnd 22:42  |  Labhras 16/03/07
  203.   This article is rediculous - of course Palestine has a right! 22:42  |  Moises 16/03/07
  204.   Unnecessarily complicated article 22:43  |  Michael N 16/03/07
  205.   BALESTINIAN BRIT #145 22:49  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  206.   Right To Keep Existing vs. Right To Have Been Created 22:50  |  AA 16/03/07
  207.   Farah #31 - Switch the question around 22:53  |  Moises 16/03/07
  208.   TOMY #146 22:54  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  209.   NADAV: Second Attempt at Soliciting a Response (See Also #108) 23:01  |  CHGODMK 16/03/07
  210.   Chris Lintwaith #55 - Lets use your own words 23:04  |  Moises 16/03/07
  211.   KUTW, Palestinians belong to Palestine nowhere else. 23:05  |  Human Rights 16/03/07
  212.   Volunteer Naqba 23:05  |  KUTW 16/03/07
  213.   Michael N: Unnecessarily dishonest post 23:11  |  AA 16/03/07
  214.   172. Michael N; Unnecessarily complicated article 23:14  |  KUTW 16/03/07
  215.   # 3 Khalid 23:14  |  Lynn 16/03/07
  216.   Haaretz, where is my post to KA? 23:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/03/07
  217.   Palestinian brutal terror denies their rights 23:27  |  Alberto 16/03/07
  218.   #164 fed up 23:27  |  Labhras 16/03/07
  219.   # 165 No human wrongs 23:39  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  220.   Human Rights-Misnomer # 187 & KUTW 23:43  |  GABE1 16/03/07
  221.   # 165 human wrongs 23:44  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  222.   #175, Khalid 23:45  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/03/07
  223.   #116 Sasson Reading too much 23:49  |  Labhras 16/03/07
  224.   # 144 Cord H. Kaldrack. YOUR OBSEQUIOUSNESS IS SHOWING... 23:50  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  225.   # 171 Khaled 23:51  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  226.   #193 Alberto another Joan Peters 23:52  |  Labhras 16/03/07
  227.   Human wrongs # 183 23:55  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  228.   # 146 Tomy: Palestinians, our bad kin 23:55  |  Ed 16/03/07
  229.   # 183 Human wrongs 23:59  |  ChanahS 16/03/07
  230.   # 194 Labhras. IT TAKES ALL SORTS AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM.. 23:59  |  Fed up 16/03/07
  231.   labhras from the land of the butchers 00:02  |  papalbull 17/03/07
  232.   To Amal El-Chazli # 22 00:04  |  Tzfonit 17/03/07
  233.   Amal El-Chazli 00:06  |  Walid 17/03/07
  234.   Tosefta- many great points 00:06  |  AA 17/03/07
  235.   Does Palestine have the right to exist? 00:10  |  James Weinberg 17/03/07
  236.   # 187 Human rights.re:KUTW. SO OUT OF THE WOODS COMES A WORM... 00:12  |  Fed up 17/03/07
  237.   Bradley,The Israelis wouldn`t exist without the Palestinians 00:14  |  Dutch 17/03/07
  238.   #187 Moises 00:23  |  Chris Linthwaite 17/03/07
  239.   #36 Hey KA, question for you. 00:28  |  ballistic 17/03/07
  240.   #38 Hey Steven; neither did "Israel" 00:29  |  ballistic 17/03/07
  241.   # 192 AA. re:Michael N. I THINK HE IS ONE OF OUR ... 00:34  |  Fed up 17/03/07
  242.   Peace provisions (AA #216) 00:41  |  Tosefta 17/03/07
  243.   Dutch confusion 00:42  |  inigo montoya 17/03/07
  244.   FALSE LIGHTS ?? 00:43  |  Bill. 17/03/07
  245.   22 Amal, I just dunno why you said thanks 00:46  |  Tamir Gaza 17/03/07
  246.   # 183 Michael N. COMPLICATED ARTICLE IS IT? 00:50  |  Fed up 17/03/07
  247.   #241, fed up 00:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  248.   Does Palestine have the right to exist? 00:54  |  Joe Shmo 17/03/07
  249.   Dutch Doris from Natick occupied American Indian territory 01:10  |  Realistic 17/03/07
  250.   #242, Tosefta 01:11  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  251.   # 137 Human wrongs 01:15  |  Alphonso M 17/03/07
  252.   tosefta "pal government should be able to wipe out the militants" 01:16  |  yishuv 17/03/07
  253.   #230 Fed up 01:18  |  labhras 17/03/07
  254.   tosefta "i would expect all the militants to shrink in size" 01:18  |  yishuv 17/03/07
  255.   #231 pappabull Hydra/yishuf et al. 01:22  |  Labhras 17/03/07
  256.   Time to change this musicle 01:22  |  Ibrahim Shvonce 17/03/07
  257.   #202 Labhras..Native Americans? You`re kidding! 01:24  |  Dr. L. Brnd 17/03/07
  258.   Palestine with no right to exist 01:25  |  Marc S 17/03/07
  259.   # 173 Palestinians Right 01:29  |  Sally M 17/03/07
  260.   Khalid #2 01:34  |  Tim R 17/03/07
  261.   Chris # 238 01:38  |  ChanahS 17/03/07
  262.   RIGHT TO EXIST??? part I 01:42  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  263.   Palestinians and the right to exist The Palestinians 01:42  |  Roberto 17/03/07
  264.   #257 Dr L brnd 01:48  |  Labhras 17/03/07
  265.   #258 marc 01:49  |  Chris Linthwaite 17/03/07
  266.   labhras "ireland is representative of international 01:49  |  papalbull 17/03/07
  267.   RIGHT TO EXIST??? part II 01:50  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  268.   # 257 that`s the way it is 01:50  |  ChanahS 17/03/07
  269.   labhras "goin cheap" 01:51  |  papalbull 17/03/07
  270.   You need a vacation (Bird from Outerspace#250) 01:52  |  Tosefta 17/03/07
  271.   tosefta "first i want to thank you for your support" 01:54  |  yishuv 17/03/07
  272.   # 257 - Japanese investment 01:55  |  ChanahS 17/03/07
  273.   hala 01:56  |  danite 17/03/07
  274.   Recognize Isreal???? 01:56  |  John 17/03/07
  275.   RIGHT TO EXIST??? part III 01:56  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  276.   #Ruba. " one State for ALL" 01:56  |  Yasser. 17/03/07
  277.   # 256 Ibrahim Shvonce. NEVER WAS A TRUER WORD SPOKEN IN JEST... 01:59  |  Fed up 17/03/07
  278.   Michael N 02:00  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  279.   Gabe1 02:00  |  Danite 17/03/07
  280.   Realistic 02:05  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  281.   Cipora Juliana Kohn 02:09  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  282.   KA-# 4 Same old story:the right of return 02:12  |  Daniel Leopold 17/03/07
  283.   labhras - "the denial syndrome" 02:13  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  284.   labhras - "the potatoe syndrome" 02:17  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  285.   Poor Everybody 02:23  |  Gil 17/03/07
  286.   Palestine right to exist 02:23  |  Shmuelshachor 17/03/07
  287.   yishuv 02:26  |  Danite 17/03/07
  288.   Roberto - ADVOCATING EXTERMINATION 02:26  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  289.   TO Khalid 02:28  |  Raanan Geberer 17/03/07
  290.   did I say palestinians or pro-palestinians?to TAD 02:32  |  maria 17/03/07
  291.   #266 Pappabull and FEDUP#277 02:36  |  Labhras 17/03/07
  292.   human rights re. sasson.....channahs was right 02:37  |  maria 17/03/07
  293.   #257 Channah S 02:41  |  Labhras 17/03/07
  294.   Yishuv, Tosefta 02:42  |  AA 17/03/07
  295.   Danite #279 02:46  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  296.   jeff northridge 02:46  |  maria 17/03/07
  297.   danite 02:48  |  yishuv 17/03/07
  298.   Gil - THE GREAT PROGNOSTICATOR 02:56  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  299.   #284 StephenConnor 02:56  |  Labhras 17/03/07
  300.   could you prove to us,human rights that "palestine" 02:57  |  maria 17/03/07
  301.   To the dense AA 03:16  |  Michael N 17/03/07
  302.   Swiss Dino #1 03:32  |  Tim R 17/03/07
  303.   ADAPT OR DIE - EXTINCTION [sic] HAPPENS 03:37  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  304.   NOT THIS GENERATION, I`M SORRY TO SAY 03:42  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 17/03/07
  305.   # 285 Gil 04:06  |  Lynn 17/03/07
  306.   Thanks Mr. Stephen 04:07  |  Gil 17/03/07
  307.   By the way Stephen 04:14  |  Gil 17/03/07
  308.   TO MICHAEL N 04:15  |  Nick 17/03/07
  309.   Danite # 177 Thank You For the Info 04:23  |  Jeff Northridge 17/03/07
  310.   BTW - Dar Stephen 04:23  |  Gil 17/03/07
  311.   Tosefta, regarding Palestinian refugees 1 04:41  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  312.   Tosefta, regarding Palestinian refugees 2 04:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  313.   In Israel, A Question of Economic Opportunity vs Political Rights 05:04  |  Peter 17/03/07
  314.   Yishuv 05:05  |  Danite 17/03/07
  315.   Tosefta, regarding refugees 3 05:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  316.   Tzfonit #232 05:23  |  CHGODMK 17/03/07
  317.   Tosefta, regarding Palestinian refugees 4 05:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  318.   Refugees and legality (Cipora #311) 05:28  |  Tosefta 17/03/07
  319.   Nick- precisely 05:48  |  Michael N 17/03/07
  320.   Reality Check! Jews don`t want 4 million Pals to return-PERIOD! 06:10  |  Joe 17/03/07
  321.   1 + 1 = 2 , but how to make it equal to 3 , 06:11  |  Joseph E . Post 1 17/03/07
  322.   States should exist for native peoples 06:14  |  kiwigirl 17/03/07
  323.   1 + 1 = 2 , but how to make it equal to 3 , 06:15  |  Joseph E . Post 2 17/03/07
  324.   Off course... 06:22  |  Willy 17/03/07
  325.   # 113, CHANAHS 06:31  |  indrajaya 17/03/07
  326.   #318, the posts were not for you, but the board 06:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/03/07
  327.   RE maria 06:36  |  Billy Jack 17/03/07
  328.   Put Palestine in Europe 06:45  |  :) 17/03/07
  329.   Pals have a right to exist 06:54  |  Passerby 17/03/07
  330.   kiwigirl are you an atheist? 06:55  |  maria 17/03/07
  331.   NOPE, NO, NYET, NON, LO,NIEMAL, NAH, 07:19  |  Dumbass 17/03/07
  332.   CHGODMK # 316 07:29  |  Tzfonit 17/03/07
  333.   CHGODMK 07:41  |  Walid 17/03/07
  334.   kiwigirl-#-322-States should exist for native peoples 07:44  |  Daniel Leopold 17/03/07
  335.   Stephen Connor 07:47  |  Walid 17/03/07
  336.   Only if it has the might to exist 08:09  |  Dee Dubb 17/03/07
  337.   Tosefta # 318 The Fact Remains 08:30  |  Jeff Northridge 17/03/07
  338.   What Palestine??? - NO TERRORIST STATE SHOULD BE ALLOWED! 08:50  |  Vittorio 17/03/07
  339.   # 302 Tim R 09:03  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/03/07
  340.   arab aparteid 09:07  |  Jonathan 17/03/07
  341.   # 320 Joe from Ramallah 09:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/03/07
  342.   kiwigirl # 322 That Does Not Follow 09:31  |  Jeff Northridge 17/03/07
  343.   Palestinians on Talkback? 09:41  |  Palestinian Brit 17/03/07
  344.   CHGODMK regarding your post addressed to Tzfonit, 316 09:50  |  Anat 17/03/07
  345.   Maria - the proof No 300 09:51  |  Palestinian Brit 17/03/07
  346.   Refugees 09:58  |  Palestinian Brit 17/03/07
  347.   #1 Dino 10:33  |  S 17/03/07
  348.   Joe. 11:06  |  Nephtaly 17/03/07
  349.   Posible theory 11:45  |  dzone 17/03/07
  350.   #35 INDIAN RESERVATIONS IN THE USA ARE 7 TIMES LARGER THAN ISRAEL 12:08  |  paul harris 17/03/07
  351.   To :), the sign in 328 12:12  |  Tamir Gaza 17/03/07
  352.   Palestinianbrit 12:18  |  jeremy woolf 17/03/07
  353.   a question to you israelis (posted again) 12:25  |  mehmet 17/03/07
  354.   Anat: Hypocrite Israeli at Large 12:32  |  CHGODMK 17/03/07
  355.   no one can survive being hated so long 12:33  |  mehmet 17/03/07
  356.   IF AMERICANS WANT PEACE IN MIDDLE EAST 12:37  |  Muhammud al-Swain 17/03/07
  357.   Gil - FEEL BETTER 12:45  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  358.   Walid 12:51  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  359.   Gil in Philadelphia 12:57  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  360.   Just one point Bradley 13:00  |  Ari ben Yisrael 17/03/07
  361.   Zionist dream 13:03  |  Abir 17/03/07
  362.   #2 Khalid We BOTH have a right to exist 13:06  |  Ari ben Yisrael 17/03/07
  363.   Palestinian brit 13:22  |  Yardena Al Saidi 17/03/07
  364.   # 289 Raanan Geberer 13:22  |  Traude 17/03/07
  365.   Response to #9 13:32  |  Allan Goldstein 17/03/07
  366.   CHGODMK 13:43  |  Danite 17/03/07
  367.   mehmet 13:44  |  israeli 17/03/07
  368.   CHGODMK - We want Jews making alliya, all of them. 13:49  |  Anat 17/03/07
  369.   #361 Abir, safe in Dubai 13:51  |  Jamilah 17/03/07
  370.   #322 Native peoples, You mean like the Maoris 13:52  |  Ari ben Yisrael 17/03/07
  371.   350 Good point about the Indian reservations! The "So what, you 14:10  |  Apartheid 17/03/07
  372.   340 Jonathan. What a brilliant Idea. The number of graves in th 14:22  |  Apartheid 17/03/07
  373.   Muhammud al-Swain - Puh-lease!! 14:24  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  374.   Ari ben Yisrael - YES IN A PERFECT WORLD 14:30  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  375.   I`m still not satisfied with your proof....palestinian brit. 14:40  |  maria 17/03/07
  376.   I didn`t say palestinians I said pro-palestinians 14:43  |  maria 17/03/07
  377.   Anite about your post to CHGODMK 14:54  |  Nurit Shilo 17/03/07
  378.   Khalid - is Palestine a country yet? No! 14:57  |  Michael Jacobs 17/03/07
  379.   Palestinianbrat #346 14:58  |  Star of David 17/03/07
  380.   billy jack.....just see it for yourself. 14:59  |  maria 17/03/07
  381.   Swiss Dino #339 15:02  |  Tim R 17/03/07
  382.   Ari ben Yisrael # 370 Oh, Please 15:06  |  Jeff Northridge 17/03/07
  383.   Anat: Liar to the Core 15:06  |  CHGODMK 17/03/07
  384.   Jeremy No 353 15:12  |  Jewish refugees 17/03/07
  385.   Danite: Thank You 15:13  |  CHGODMK 17/03/07
  386.   Yardena from Qatar 15:15  |  Palestinian Brit 17/03/07
  387.   Jamilah in Yafo 15:18  |  Palestinian Brit 17/03/07
  388.   # 347 S (2nd try) 15:20  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/03/07
  389.   Tzfonit # 332 15:22  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  390.   #322."kiwigirl" from NZ: once upon a time maoris ATE maorities 15:25  |  Vittorio 17/03/07
  391.   WALID #333 15:31  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  392.   Anat in Hadera 15:39  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  393.   BY WHAT RIGHT?!! 15:43  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  394.   Anat of Hadera. #368 15:43  |  GABE1 17/03/07
  395.   Realistic - the final solution to the Indian problem 15:50  |  Mark Lincoln 17/03/07
  396.   Great column 15:57  |  W 17/03/07
  397.   to Jewish refugees, I`ve just bought Three houses in London 16:05  |  Tamir Gaza 17/03/07
  398.   CHGODMK - You atribute to me things I have not 16:07  |  Anat 17/03/07
  399.   YOU ARE ALL SO CUTE!! 16:08  |  Stephen Connor 17/03/07
  400.   Stephen - well golly 16:10  |  Gil 17/03/07
  401.   Stephen - Probably 16:12  |  Gil 17/03/07
  402.   20 alonitzafoni: Saudi and likes are not Democracies like Israel 16:12  |  Tupac 17/03/07
  403.   PAL.BRIT.How come you are in Britain not Gaza? Jihad? 16:16  |  PETER SM 17/03/07
  404.   #9 indrajaya: Bacteria etc 16:21  |  ariel 17/03/07
  405.   # 381 Tim R Which Israel...??? 16:23  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/03/07
  406.   Apartheid.Your people desecrated everything Jewish they conquered 16:24  |  PETER SM 17/03/07
  407.   Poor Lynn 16:24  |  Gil 17/03/07