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Israel's existence is not a question
By Haaretz Editorial

"Defending Israel's right to exist will continue to stand at the center of German foreign policy," declared German Chancellor Angela Merkel, at the opening of the "Europe-Israel Dialogue" conference held during the weekend in Berlin, adding that she was sorry she had to repeat this over and over. Former foreign minister of Germany, Joschka Fischer, expressed his revulsion at the comments made by German bishops, who compared the Warsaw Ghetto to what is taking place in the occupied territories.

The erosion of Israel's legitimacy as a Jewish state is particularly difficult for supporters of peace and democracy in Israel, who recognize its own dubious contribution to the attitude toward Israel.

All Israeli governments have missed - and continue to miss - opportunities to reconcile with neighboring states, have broadened settlement in the territories and have entrenched a destructive rule of occupation, oppressive and corrupting. Since 1967, under government auspices, a small and unruly group has assumed a belligerent monopoly on the Land of Israel and on Jewish identity. The liberal Zionism of Herzl was booted outside the fence and replaced by the messianic, separatist, anti-humanistic Judaism of muscle.

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Through this dialogue the real reason for the establishment of the State of Israel, whose powerful expression echoes in the Declaration of Independence, was forgotten: the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people and its shaping into a member of equal rights and obligations in the family of modern nations. Instead, Israel has opted to make use of the Holocaust as the sole justification for its existence and has bequeathed generations of youth born in Israel a mix of blaming the entire world and hating the "gentiles." Israel is of course not to blame for everything. Its neighbors contributed more than once to the deepening of the conflict, and even now its leaders are dragging them toward an impasse.

The statements heard in Europe, stemming from the academia and extreme left there, are not legitimate criticisms of Israel's policies, but efforts to undermine, on principle, its right to exist as a Jewish state. Behind the simple question, "Does Israel have a right to exist" (as a Guardian editorial read three years ago), hides a definitive stance, which regards Israel as a passing colonial phenomenon and the Jewish people as an ethnic-religious group different from any other people and all other nation-states. However peripheral and radical this tendency may be, it has successfully influenced many people. A familiar stench, hundreds of years old, rises from it, even when it is framed in contemporary terminology.

It is good to witness enlightened liberals like Merkel and Fischer, and many others, rejecting this tendency completely. Israel's policies are worthy of severe condemnation; but its right to exist is absolute.

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  1.   IS THERE ANY DOUBT?? ITS TIME TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED 09:32  |  paul harris 13/03/07
  2.   Haaretz and Israel`s Right to exist 09:36  |  Israel Israeli 13/03/07
  3.   For all those who have had doubts about Haaretz being a Zionist 09:37  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  4.   Israel has no right to exist 09:51  |  Khalid 13/03/07
  5.   Which Israel? 09:51  |  Clickfool 13/03/07
  6.   Without five million refugees returning to Israel.. 09:53  |  German 13/03/07
  7.   But a right to exist where? 09:54  |  JK 13/03/07
  8.   Germany`s position motivated, not by moral ethics, but 09:54  |  Hans 13/03/07
  9.   jew Irish, muslim ....whatever Yaakov yes or no? 09:55  |  Aby 13/03/07
  10.   Actually... 09:56  |  Yosemite 13/03/07
  11.   Germany is immoral state 09:56  |  Ahmed 13/03/07
  12.   Since no specific argument was offered... 10:11  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  13.   ironic? israel etc 10:13  |  A.M. 13/03/07
  14.   Who said? 10:21  |  Marilyn 13/03/07
  15.   re #2 `Haaretz and Israel`s right to exist.` 10:21  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  16.   The concluding remark 10:22  |  S 13/03/07
  17.   NO EXISTANCE WITHOUT CO-EXISTANCE 10:22  |  Bob 13/03/07
  18.   re #10 `Actually` 10:28  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  19.   Khalid, I hate to repeat myself to you, but I`ll do it one more.. 10:28  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  20.   The So-Called "Right To Exist" And PALESTINIANS` Rights. 10:30  |  Proud Pal Defender 13/03/07
  21.   Israel, the ancestral home of the Jewish people 10:35  |  Serious Shmerious 13/03/07
  22.   Marilyn, it would probably not make any difference in your hatred 10:39  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  23.   Lessee here...(I) 10:40  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  24.   But The Left Undermines Our Legitimacy 10:46  |  Terry 13/03/07
  25.   Lessee here...(II) 10:48  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  26.   Ignore Germany on anything to do with Israel 10:58  |  Michael 13/03/07
  27.   re #6 `Without five million refugees...` 11:00  |  Colin Wright 13/03/07
  28.   Consistent Inconsistency 11:01  |  WGDC 13/03/07
  29.   The occupation is damaging Israel`s Right to Exist 11:05  |  Michael 13/03/07
  30.   Proud Palestinian, Israel does not need anyone to acknoledge its 11:07  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  31.   We are our own worst enemies 11:10  |  Joe 13/03/07
  32.   #5 Clickfool 11:16  |  Joseph 13/03/07
  33.   serious..Israel has no right to exist and the Palestinians 11:17  |  KA 13/03/07
  34.   Right to return 11:20  |  Joe 13/03/07
  35.   Colin wright..I too accept the one state solution 11:22  |  German 13/03/07
  36.   The Israeli people should not make a mistake..... 11:25  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  37.   @ Khalid #4 11:26  |  René Fries 13/03/07
  38.   German, Post 6, do note, only 350,000 Arabs fled the country .... 11:38  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  39.   # 5 & 6 Right of Return 11:41  |  Sherlock Holmes 13/03/07
  40.   # 7 Jewish homeland in Australia, South America 11:47  |  Joe 13/03/07
  41.   tosefta thinks israel is "going down" 11:53  |  yirmiyahu 13/03/07
  42.   "GERMAN"?? Khalid again with the Taqiyya 11:55  |  PETER SM 13/03/07
  43.   tosefta and the geneva accords 11:58  |  yirmiyahu 13/03/07
  44.   tosefta why would you even mention geneva? 12:00  |  yirmi 13/03/07
  45.   German #6 12:18  |  Uwe 13/03/07
  46.   Marilyn 12:26  |  Aliza 13/03/07
  47.   Swiss (Dino), with all due respect, your experience with Jews is 12:26  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  48.   #39 Sherlock Holmes 12:29  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  49.   This editorial is interesting 12:32  |  Jamie 13/03/07
  50.   Michael of the UK, please note, we, Israelis, do not conduct our 12:44  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  51.   For Joseph # 32 12:45  |  Clickfool 13/03/07
  52.   Haaretz is absolutely wrong 12:58  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  53.   bravo Haaretz 13:04  |  Leon Rosgarten 13/03/07
  54.   Palestinian? Who is Palestinian? 13:09  |  Igor 13/03/07
  55.   A small list of EX-COUNTRIES 13:17  |  John Mackie 13/03/07
  56.   # 4 Khalid: Israel`s right to exist part I 13:24  |  Edith 13/03/07
  57.   clickfool "1967 was landgrab war by israel" 13:40  |  harzion 13/03/07
  58.   # 4 Khalid: Israel`s right to exist part II 13:42  |  Edith 13/03/07
  59.   No Question,Many Answers,NO Discussion,Many Voices 13:45  |  Ronnie Wolman 13/03/07
  60.   Here`s the Big Problem IMHO 13:49  |  John Mackie 13/03/07
  61.   Khalid #4 What gives `Palestine` a right to exist? 13:54  |  Nechama 13/03/07
  62.   Khalid #4 13:56  |  ATLAS 13/03/07
  63.   Mackie: I`ll Take Hawaii for $200 13:56  |  Ronnie Wolman 13/03/07
  64.   #47 Nadav.. with all due respect.. 14:01  |  Andreas 13/03/07
  65.   # 47 Nadav, sorry for the misunderstanding... 14:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  66.   Confused editors 14:06  |  Gene 13/03/07
  67.   `Landgrab war` of 1967, Clickfool 14:07  |  Joe 13/03/07
  68.   #47 Nadav, with all due respect... 14:11  |  Andreas 13/03/07
  69.   re clickfool does anyone on the site remember one constructive 14:13  |  harzion 13/03/07
  70.   Israel doesn`t need recognition. Israel has right to exist.ISRAEL 14:22  |  Vittorio 13/03/07
  71.   of course it is in question 14:22  |  thanks Haaretz! 13/03/07
  72.   Israel`s occupation and the West 14:23  |  Sam 13/03/07
  73.   We dont need to defend our right to anyone 14:25  |  Nicole 13/03/07
  74.   We dont need to defend our right to anyone 14:25  |  Nicole 13/03/07
  75.   #52 Jonathan S: Caution is good - conspiracy theories are bad 14:29  |  Andreas 13/03/07
  76.   You see, Swiss (Dino), if we do not do what those 40% of you .... 14:35  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  77.   #6 German, You have no morla right to lecture Jews 14:41  |  Haham Me Bat Yam 13/03/07
  78.   Israel`s Right To Exist As A Jewish State 14:43  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  79.   ISRAEL EXISTENCE 14:44  |  gilberto milani 13/03/07
  80.   Harzion about chaver ClickFOOL 14:46  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  81.   ... I still like you Nadav... 14:53  |  Andreas 13/03/07
  82.   A constructive idea for Jews/Israelis 14:53  |  John Mackie 13/03/07
  83.   How does a nation without borders exist? 14:55  |  Ibrahim 13/03/07
  84.   Funnyest thing is... 15:06  |  Damir 13/03/07
  85.   Swiss (Dino), take a good look at Sullivan`s post. He is an ..... 15:07  |  Nadav 13/03/07
  86.   Saliva`n, are you back to haunt the Jews? Have you not 15:10  |  Anat 13/03/07
  87.   Haaretz, please stop the self-delusion 15:12  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  88.   Israel`s right to exist 15:13  |  Humanist 13/03/07
  89.   # 76 Nadav, please, let`s not start with this again..... 15:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  90.   Israel does not have the strength 15:18  |  Tim 13/03/07
  91.   If Israel has no right to exist, Khalid, neither does... 15:24  |  Jacob Blues 13/03/07
  92.   Khalid Amyrah adds geneticist to his other fake credentials 15:30  |  Jacob Blues 13/03/07
  93.   Right to exist? What kind of a question is that?! 15:30  |  Alicia 13/03/07
  94.   # 76 Nadav A completion for you..... 15:31  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  95.   Ah, the good people in this world 15:33  |  Daniel 13/03/07
  96.   Mackie I have a better idea... 15:33  |  Ronnie Wolman 13/03/07
  97.   Nadav-#19-Germany,Europe and Israel 15:34  |  Daniel Leopold 13/03/07
  98.   ISRAEL DOES EXIST.THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE HERTZL 15:36  |  Ian 13/03/07
  99.   Khalid writing as German 15:40  |  Jacob Blues 13/03/07
  100.   # 85 Nadav 15:42  |  Andreas 13/03/07
  101.   Israel`s right to exist is absolute. Within 1947 UN borders. 15:45  |  Michael 13/03/07
  102.   It`s Haaretz`s fault 15:46  |  Yoseph 13/03/07
  103.   Inner German discussion 15:49  |  leopold 13/03/07
  104.   In reply to #7 by JK 15:57  |  Johnny 13/03/07
  105.   nadav on his wish to be dead #85 15:58  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  106.   The holocaust cannot be used as an excuse 16:00  |  Marilyn 13/03/07
  107.   Anat and what ghetto are you living in?? #86 16:01  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  108.   # 85 Nadav 16:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  109.   JEWISH RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION 16:08  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  110.   Israel is more legit than UK, Jordan, Syria 16:09  |  Yosef 13/03/07
  111.   theres more to it... 16:12  |  ravi 13/03/07
  112.   Can anyone explain? 16:13  |  Klas 13/03/07
  113.   IF 16:14  |  B 13/03/07
  114.   It`s Not the "Occupation" of 1967 That`s The Problem 16:14  |  Ben Israel 13/03/07
  115.   ms sullivan is a cant 16:17  |  seamus twomey 13/03/07
  116.   #10 Yosemite, good idea,for good people 16:19  |  TOMY 13/03/07
  117.   ms sullivan "you are the killers of the ideal" 16:20  |  seamus twomey 13/03/07
  118.   SULLIVAN 16:24  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  119.   Of course the right to exist is absolute 16:25  |  Mark Lincoln 13/03/07
  120.   Cipora...enter the 20th Century 16:27  |  Tim 13/03/07
  121.   Forfeited right 16:28  |  rob 13/03/07
  122.   leopold, marylin, yosef,... 16:29  |  david 13/03/07
  123.   Lets stop the retoric, it does not takes us 16:31  |  TOMY 13/03/07
  124.   ms sullivan i believe i have solved your problem 16:33  |  seamus twomey 13/03/07
  125.   daniel leopold 16:35  |  David 13/03/07
  126.   # 106 Marilyn 16:35  |  ChanahS 13/03/07
  127.   #101 MICHAEL HAS ABRAIN STORM ITS THE NUMBERS 1967 16:39  |  paul harris 13/03/07
  128.   Klas on Czechoslovakia and the right to exist #111 16:41  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  129.   #106 ISRAEL BEGAN IN 1922 MARYLIN 16:41  |  paul harris 13/03/07
  130.   Haaretz Editorial about Israels Existence 16:47  |  Stefan Flueler 13/03/07
  131.   ravi tells israel who to elect 16:50  |  dimple kapadia 13/03/07
  132.   #128 YAAKOV GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER 16:52  |  paul harris 13/03/07
  133.   Rights, Shmights 16:53  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  134.   ISRAEL EXISTENCE & LEGITIMACY 16:54  |  MAHIR ZARA 13/03/07
  135.   Marilyn #106 16:55  |  JES 13/03/07
  136.   America fought with the Indians to win land;also freed the slaves 16:59  |  Anonymous 13/03/07
  137.   There is no absolute right to statehood 17:01  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  138.   Haaretz Disorder 17:05  |  Tod Zuckerman 13/03/07
  139.   Israel`s right to exists 17:07  |  jay 13/03/07
  140.   Not logical 17:09  |  Anonymous 13/03/07
  141.   127 According to PAUL HARRIS Israel has NO right to exist 17:13  |  Michael 13/03/07
  142.   Rights 17:15  |  Klas 13/03/07
  143.   AND YOU MISS KOHEN ARE THE ONE... #118 17:19  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  144.   #1 Paul Harris; stand up and be counted??? 17:20  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  145.   Uwe (#45), wrong, very wrong! 17:22  |  Bwana Meteor 13/03/07
  146.   AND MISS KOHEN YOU ARE THE ONE PART II 17:24  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  147.   #78- Good Questions But Not The Right Ones 17:27  |  Yonatan Netser 13/03/07
  148.   Merkel and palestine 17:28  |  arab 13/03/07
  149.   TO SULLIVAN and We Weird Jews! 17:31  |  Alicia 13/03/07
  150.   Arab Duplicity 17:31  |  Raja 13/03/07
  151.   paul harris and his bunk on zionism #132 17:32  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  152.   Jonathan S - Get a move on! 17:37  |  Wiktor 13/03/07
  153.   Michael # 101 Borders 17:41  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  154.   As a Jewish state or any other kind of state 17:42  |  Mark Marshall 13/03/07
  155.   Stefan #130 17:51  |  Avi Yerushalmi 13/03/07
  156.   153 Thanks Jeff for the info 17:56  |  Michael 13/03/07
  157.   HAARETZ IS A FOUNTAIN TO HELP DELEGITIMIZE ISRAEL 17:57  |  Jorge 13/03/07
  158.   To Jonathan S 17:59  |  christoph 13/03/07
  159.   Alicia, somehow I don`t think that is what the prophets meant #14 18:00  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  160.   The State of Israel has EVERY RIGHT to exist! 18:00  |  Alicia 13/03/07
  161.   Yonathan (#147) - you pretzel the truth! 18:05  |  Bwana Meteor 13/03/07
  162.   #154 Mark Marshall 18:08  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  163.   #153 Jeff Northridge`s new definition (re Michael) 18:10  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  164.   I hate to break your baloon Marylin 18:10  |  someone 13/03/07
  165.   #19 response 18:12  |  Waleed 13/03/07
  166.   stefan 130 18:19  |  someone 13/03/07
  167.   Sully is as kosher as a piece of pork 18:20  |  Nathan Mizrahi 13/03/07
  168.   Talking about the right to exist... 18:23  |  Amir 13/03/07
  169.   "Israel has opted to make use of the Holocaust" 18:27  |  Moises 13/03/07
  170.   Israel`s policies are worthy of severe condemnation 18:28  |  Yakov 13/03/07
  171.   The real question: The Final Solution or not? 18:32  |  Jason 13/03/07
  172.   NO THE PALISTINIANS, EXISTENCE 18:33  |  M 13/03/07
  173.   Swiss(Dino) #36 - I hope you are right 18:37  |  Moises 13/03/07
  174.   There is not doubt,Palestine has the same right 18:42  |  Federico Glez 13/03/07
  175.   The Arab Countires Have A Right To Exist 18:47  |  Yonatan Netser 13/03/07
  176.   Rights and Existence 18:55  |  Cord H. Kaldrack 13/03/07
  177.   Jeff Northridge...for once, we agree 19:00  |  Ibrahim 13/03/07
  178.   #161 To "Here, There and Everywhere" 19:03  |  Yonatan Netser 13/03/07
  179.   SULLIVAN 19:04  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  180.   Nazthan Mizrahi from efrat #167 19:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  181.   Yaakov Sullivan 19:05  |  Eli 13/03/07
  182.   To ALL THE ONES MENTIONED ON THE LIST.. 19:08  |  Kath` 13/03/07
  183.   29 - Myth of Occupation 19:09  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  184.   Miss Kohen, whatr you call my "vituperative language"e 19:15  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  185.   72 - Hamas wants to destroy Israel 19:15  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  186.   49 - Because G-d said so 19:18  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  187.   #30 Nadav 19:20  |  Racon-tour 13/03/07
  188.   Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 19:22  |  NS 13/03/07
  189.   Legal Basis for Israel`s existence - what can the Pals quote? 19:22  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  190.   Dear Nadav # 19 19:23  |  North American 13/03/07
  191.   172 - Even Arafat came from Egypt 19:25  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  192.   33 - Israel has the superior claim, what do the Pals have? 19:26  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  193.   #73 Nicole 19:29  |  North American 13/03/07
  194.   #49 BS 19:30  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  195.   #182, Kath* 19:30  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  196.   159 - Torah says to love your neighbor as yourself 19:30  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  197.   Cord 19:31  |  Jason 13/03/07
  198.   Tosefta # 163 Because It`s Too Vague 19:32  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  199.   #115 Shame(e) toomee 19:34  |  Racon-tour 13/03/07
  200.   #171 Jason 19:34  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  201.   170 - Jews were treated like Garbage in Arab Lands 19:36  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  202.   #186 Bruriah Sarah 19:37  |  Metatron 13/03/07
  203.   #118 Bird in the sky 19:39  |  Racon-tour 13/03/07
  204.   163 Tosefta - Zionists can`t have it both ways 19:40  |  Michael 13/03/07
  205.   190 - Pals have no legal basis for the land 19:40  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  206.   #137,"as long as it is not a perennial troublemaker" 19:42  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  207.   Ibrahim #177 - "metaphysical" right to exist 19:47  |  Moises 13/03/07
  208.   #186 Bru Ha Ha God in the real 19:48  |  Racontour 13/03/07
  209.   TO # 182 KATH´ : looking forward to your re-freshing future mail 19:48  |  Alicia 13/03/07
  210.   BruSah 183 - the myth of a 40 year benevolent occupation 19:49  |  Michael 13/03/07
  211.   racon-tour always says "my" 19:51  |  ehud 13/03/07
  212.   Right to exist? 19:52  |  Baz Mann 13/03/07
  213.   An occupying apartheid colonial state has NO RIGHT TO EXIST! 19:54  |  Joe 13/03/07
  214.   #189 Bruriah Sarah 19:56  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  215.   Kath 19:59  |  S 13/03/07
  216.   On praising Merkel 20:00  |  christoph 13/03/07
  217.   210 - Israel never started any of the wars 20:05  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  218.   214 - So you don`t have evidence 20:07  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  219.   208 - Still have no evidence? 20:08  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  220.   #4, Khalid 20:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  221.   Ramallah Joe 213 20:10  |  American 13/03/07
  222.   Moises From Lovely Panama... 20:14  |  Ibrahim 13/03/07
  223.   Right to exist 20:16  |  Johnnymac 13/03/07
  224.   Bruriah Sarah reads too much Joan Peters... 20:19  |  Ibrahim 13/03/07
  225.   Sullivan vs. Alicia about being Jewish 20:22  |  Tzvi Hasid 13/03/07
  226.   False Facts (Jeff Northridge #198) 20:24  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  227.   #149. Alicia to Y. Sullivan and Get-out-of-my-Jewish-cloud stuff 20:29  |  zmogus 13/03/07
  228.   Just a little correction and precision to 216 20:37  |  christoph 13/03/07
  229.   217 BruSah you have no case LOL 20:46  |  Michael 13/03/07
  230.   #198, Jeff Northridge 20:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  231.   and you tsvi hasid would fit very well #225 20:49  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  232.   229 - where is your evidence? 20:53  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  233.   229 - Myth of Occupation 20:56  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  234.   False Fact: Example (Jeff Northridge #198) 20:57  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  235.   !86 Sarah; God did not give you Israel; England did! 21:00  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  236.   #205 Neither do you! 21:01  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  237.   Sullivan - Yesterday a woman by the name of Ruti told you she 21:02  |  Tzvi Hasid 13/03/07
  238.   The honour of Hitler lives on in G8 summit town 21:02  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  239.   #189 Legal basis: they were there and you were not!! 21:03  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  240.   Cipora vs Sullivan 21:05  |  A Z O U R I 13/03/07
  241.   No inconsistency (Michael #204) 21:05  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  242.   #213 Uh oh, uh oh, Joe; another zinger 21:06  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  243.   Response to Michael 21:06  |  Tom 13/03/07
  244.   BruSah 232 a blind man can see the occupation is a disaster 21:06  |  Michael 13/03/07
  245.   History of Germany 21:08  |  Cord H. Kaldrack 13/03/07
  246.   Bruriah Sarah - a Turing test? 21:11  |  Boycott 13/03/07
  247.   WHY does nobody suggest the Pals go back to Syria Jordan&Egypt 21:11  |  PETER SM 13/03/07
  248.   Perrenial troublemakers (Bird from Outerspace #137) 21:16  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  249.   REsponse to Tosefta 21:16  |  Tom 13/03/07
  250.   UN body demonising Israel 21:24  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  251.   #235, ballistic 21:28  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  252.   235 - G-d controls the world 21:28  |  Bruriah Sarah 13/03/07
  253.   The Quandary of Conflict Over Israel Isn`t so Amazing 21:29  |  Chick Corea 13/03/07
  254.   Live is hard 21:29  |  The real world 13/03/07
  255.   #5 Clickfraud 21:31  |  Boris 13/03/07
  256.   Cipora Julianna Kohn # 230 True 21:34  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  257.   tzvi hasid and his group #237 21:35  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  258.   It is the war with Islamo-Fascism 21:37  |  Doreet 13/03/07
  259.   AZOURI and his need for neglect #240 21:38  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  260.   Johnnymac and Bill Clinton 21:40  |  Baz Mann 13/03/07
  261.   Who care what the others thinking about us, we are existence 21:42  |  e.m 13/03/07
  262.   The question is today irrelevant #249 21:43  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  263.   Or an intersting border concept by Haifa Judge Etsioni 21:48  |  Yaakov Sullivan 13/03/07
  264.   What should burn (Jeff Northridge #256 re Cipora) 21:51  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  265.   Merkel 21:51  |  Faraz 13/03/07
  266.   #248, Tosefta 21:56  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  267.   # 173 Moises (2nd try) 21:59  |  Swiss (Dino) 13/03/07
  268.   To #161- Pretzels and Chips 22:02  |  Yonatan Netser 13/03/07
  269.   #247 Peter SM 22:04  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  270.   #251 Did you happen to notice if God was sitting at the table! 22:07  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  271.   #256, Jeff 22:07  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 13/03/07
  272.   a brief history of America for Ballistic 22:08  |  someone 13/03/07
  273.   Response to Tom 243 22:09  |  Michael 13/03/07
  274.   Jews have willpower and brains to fight back 22:12  |  Fiala 13/03/07
  275.   Tosefta # 234 The Israel-Lebanon Border 22:13  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  276.   #262 Amristice lines are not borders. 22:15  |  Tom 13/03/07
  277.   ballistic # 235 - God often uses human vessels 22:16  |  Gina 13/03/07
  278.   At the Russian War College 22:17  |  Fiala 13/03/07
  279.   tosefta is without doubt the most insensitive 22:18  |  lord byron 13/03/07
  280.   Racon-tour 22:21  |  Sarah 13/03/07
  281.   Ibrahim 22:21  |  Gina 13/03/07
  282.   tosefta and "false facts" 22:25  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  283.   Why are Jews not understanding the issue here? 22:26  |  Psalm 13/03/07
  284.   tosefta seeks to mislead the site on armistice lines 22:28  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  285.   "armistice lines are temporary ceasefire lines. 22:32  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  286.   #249 Tom Part One 22:33  |  Labhras 13/03/07
  287.   Michael`s mishmash of `67 Facts 22:33  |  Eli 13/03/07
  288.   #271 Jeff Northridge`s definition 22:35  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  289.   Yaakov Sullivan 22:35  |  Sarah 13/03/07
  290.   #249 Tom response to tosefta. pt2 22:41  |  Labhras 13/03/07
  291.   Re #276 Temporary 22:41  |  Baz Mann 13/03/07
  292.   # 260 22:43  |  johnnymac 13/03/07
  293.   Klas #112 -- the legal text you seek 22:45  |  Serge 13/03/07
  294.   Eli #279 22:46  |  Sarah 13/03/07
  295.   tosefta there is no point trying to bully your interlocutor 22:47  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  296.   Yishuv/Flushman is of the lesser "ron" variety, I (Mark Lincoln) 22:48  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  297.   tosefta not sabra chatilla not lebanon not anything 22:50  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  298.   #280 Sarah 22:52  |  Racon-tour 13/03/07
  299.   tosefta "all maps were in green colour" 22:53  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  300.   #272 Someone; well, all you lay out is 22:55  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  301.   tosefta "it corresponds to the map colour people remember" 22:57  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  302.   Separatism 22:59  |  The Other Alan 13/03/07
  303.   #277 Yes, he does, I agree and sometimes we 23:02  |  ballistic 13/03/07
  304.   tosefta are the 1949 lines armistice lines or not? 23:03  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  305.   le brassiere the irish garment 23:08  |  and if not 13/03/07
  306.   Response to German 23:09  |  Harry D 13/03/07
  307.   on brassieres and preachjing irishmen 23:12  |  and if not 13/03/07
  308.   Israel has outlived its usefulness 23:17  |  Jack Cohen 13/03/07
  309.   A question for Tosefta 23:19  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  310.   Good posts (Labhras #286, 290) 23:19  |  Tosefta 13/03/07
  311.   Quit Dreaming 23:20  |  Harry D 13/03/07
  312.   Legitimacy of Israel 23:21  |  Reality checkcc 13/03/07
  313.   why does tosefta seek to argue that armistice lines 23:23  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  314.   Fiala...GREAT one! (end) 23:24  |  Psalm 13/03/07
  315.   e.m # 261 Interesting 23:27  |  Jeff Northridge 13/03/07
  316.   Thanks, Serge 23:36  |  Klas 13/03/07
  317.   #285 yishuv needs to look up the definition of "armistice" 23:37  |  Johnboy 13/03/07
  318.   To Christoph about Germans and Jews 23:43  |  Jonathan S 13/03/07
  319.   #286 Labhras 23:46  |  Johnboy 13/03/07
  320.   israel is there, is palestine too? 23:51  |  cristina 13/03/07
  321.   tosefta kisses the boots of all israel`s enemies 23:52  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  322.   ballistic....it seems to me you want to 23:54  |  maria 13/03/07
  323.   #300 Tosefta. 23:56  |  Labhras 13/03/07
  324.   tosefta we make no claims 23:56  |  yishuv 13/03/07
  325.   Jack Cohen Shame On You 23:59  |  Eli 13/03/07
  326.   #297 He/she of no particular name 23:59  |  Labhras 13/03/07
  327.   #298 JACK SHOULD STICK TO M AKING HORROR MOVIES 00:00  |  paul harris 14/03/07
  328.   lebhras let them dispute our borders 00:00  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  329.   the drowning tosefta breathlessly grabs the neck 00:05  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  330.   #298 Jack Cohen, as far as he is consern 00:08  |  TOMY 14/03/07
  331.   TO #227 Zmogus 00:16  |  Alicia 14/03/07
  332.   Jeff Northridge re Tosefta 00:17  |  Marco Poletti 14/03/07
  333.   Yaakov Sullivan 00:17  |  Baruch Nili 14/03/07
  334.   Jonathan S re Tosefta 00:19  |  Ben Gurion 14/03/07
  335.   Sullivan 00:26  |  TT 14/03/07
  336.   nahum barnea 00:29  |  harzion 14/03/07
  337.   Yes, Israel has a right to exist as does Palestine 00:30  |  david 14/03/07
  338.   Eli 287 you`re missing the point 00:37  |  Michael 14/03/07
  339.   armistice lines vs. borders 00:47  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
  340.   Tosefta # 288 Definitions 00:51  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  341.   I`ll have whatever Christina`s having 01:04  |  Eli 14/03/07
  342.   #306 Johnboy 01:15  |  Labhras 14/03/07
  343.   right? 01:18  |  sweis Melbourne 14/03/07
  344.   johnboy "it need not be" on armistice lines 01:37  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  345.   johnboy a pitiful demonstration of logic 01:39  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  346.   johnboy "you cannot claim authority if you do not 01:43  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  347.   Ha`aretz`s exisitance is not a question 01:44  |  Harry 14/03/07
  348.   johnboy "when there isnt then yes it is" 01:44  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  349.   johnboy "an armistice line is more then a ceasefire line" 01:47  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  350.   Response to North American #90 01:48  |  Harry D 14/03/07
  351.   ohnboy " a period after a war and before a peace treaty" 01:50  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  352.   Exactly 01:51  |  Ferdiad 14/03/07
  353.   johnboy "armistice lines denote the end of the war" 01:53  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  354.   Michael - this is the ME, There Are No Easy Solutions I 01:57  |  Eli 14/03/07
  355.   brassiere it is you guys who are into devils 01:59  |  yishuv 14/03/07
  356.   Yes Israel has the right to exist 02:04  |  Chris Linthwaite 14/03/07
  357.   No right to existence is absolute 02:05  |  Colm4 14/03/07
  358.   #303 Jonathan S, on the German psyche 02:06  |  Andreas 14/03/07
  359.   This is the ME, There Are No Easy Solutions II 02:07  |  Eli 14/03/07
  360.   4 - Khalid Israel`s right to exist 02:11  |  Nicolas 14/03/07
  361.   Johnboy # 306 A Third Option 02:16  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  362.   4 - Khalid Israel`s right to exist (2) 02:20  |  Nicolas 14/03/07
  363.   #344#345#347#348 02:35  |  Racon-tour 14/03/07
  364.   Haaretz is an awful anti-Zionist rag 02:50  |  Mortgagor 14/03/07
  365.   Cipora Julianna Kohn # 339 That Was Very Good 03:22  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  366.   The bare fact of Jeff`s definition (#340) 03:23  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  367.   yishuv does seem to get confused 03:30  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
  368.   # 239 ballistic 03:33  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  369.   Eli - That was humorous 03:42  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  370.   Catch him before he disappears (Cipora #339) 03:49  |  Tosefta 14/03/07
  371.   ALL WE NEED IS LOVE !!!! 03:53  |  Federico 14/03/07
  372.   This is really stupid 03:54  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  373.   # 369 Stephen Connor 04:12  |  Lynn 14/03/07
  374.   Birdbrain 04:17  |  Ben Gurion 14/03/07
  375.   ballistic...I`m sure you were born and raise ... 04:18  |  maria 14/03/07
  376.   Tosefta 04:18  |  Ben Gurion 14/03/07
  377.   EZEKIEL had it right over 2500 years ago 04:28  |  Roy Galut 14/03/07
  378.   #361 Jeff Northridge does seem to make things up 04:32  |  Johnboy 14/03/07
  379.   israel` right to exist 04:47  |  jj 14/03/07
  380.   no right to exist as mentioned in the editorial 04:47  |  naftaly k 14/03/07
  381.   FYI Re: Armistice agreement in 1949 - what I wrote once 04:57  |  Smadar 14/03/07
  382.   #358, Andreas 05:07  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
  383.   The real deal about Israel 05:10  |  RAB 14/03/07
  384.   Ben Gurion 05:31  |  Marco Poletti 14/03/07
  385.   Marco 05:38  |  Ben Gurion 14/03/07
  386.   arab countries..... 05:53  |  maria 14/03/07
  387.   Tosefta # 366 So What? 05:53  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  388.   BALISTIC,Why? Because that`s where large no`s of "Pals" come from 06:02  |  PETER SM 14/03/07
  389.   RAB, there never was a god 06:18  |  Marilyn 14/03/07
  390.   Existing over palestines bodies! 06:34  |  Niva dos Santos 14/03/07
  391.   Johnboy # 378 The War of 1948-49 Never Ended 06:44  |  Jeff Northridge 14/03/07
  392.   legitimacy is historical not universal 07:09  |  Arturo Grunstein 14/03/07
  393.   to khalid 07:21  |  owen 14/03/07
  394.   Khalid, Re : Certificate of good conduct 07:30  |  Dutch 14/03/07
  395.   Maria 07:31  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  396.   israel`s right to exist 07:35  |  californian 14/03/07
  397.   To Khalid 07:35  |  David King 14/03/07
  398.   the right of existance 07:37  |  david king 14/03/07
  399.   Sounds like a certified legitimacy for Israel`s right to exist 08:03  |  Joseph E . 14/03/07
  400.   Arturo Grunstein - Historical Legitimacy is Lunacy 08:13  |  Stephen Connor 14/03/07
  401.   Lynn you are so right 08:34  |  Marilyn 14/03/07
  402.   PALESTINES right to exist depends,whether they want war or peace 08:37  |  PETER SM 14/03/07
  403.   Cipora #382 08:37  |  S 14/03/07
  404.   #403, S 08:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 14/03/07
  405.   For pious Bruriah Sarah on God and the Jews # 252 09:10  |  Clickfool 14/03/07
  406.   For Boris, on legitimate Israel # 255 09:16  |  Clickfool 14/03/07
  407.   For Eli # 287, that`s not what Moshe Dayan said 09:18  |  Clickfool 14/03/07
  408.   #398 What "invasion",David King? 09:33  |  Hastaroth 14/03/07
  409.   #368 No argument to those born in the 09:51  |  ballistic 14/03/07
  410.   #372 There is nothing absolute except 09:53  |  ballistic 14/03/07
  411.   To GErman number & 09:55  |  Emma, France 14/03/07