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Hamas' Damascus-based political chief Khaled Meshal speaking during an interview with Reuters on Wednesday.
Last update - 10:31 11/01/2007
PM dismisses Meshal comments that Israel's existence is a reality
By Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and Reuters

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Thursday shrugged off comments by Hamas' Damascus-based political chief Khaled Meshal, in which he acknowledged the existence of Israel.

Meshal, whose Hamas movement leads the Palestinian government, told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday that Israel is a "matter of fact," apparently softening a previous refusal to accept that Israel's existence.

Olmert, asked by reporters accompanying him on a visit to China about Meshal's acceptance of Israel as a state that will endure, said: "Does that mean we weren't until now?"

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"Should I be expected to check what he said? Should I be expected to read what he said?" Olmert added, shrugging as he toured Beijing's Forbidden City.

Hamas for its part denied Wednesday that Meshal told Reuters in an interview that his group would consider recognizing Israel once a Palestinian state is established. (Click here for the full interview)

One hour after the Reuters interview was published, the Hamas government spokesman Ghazi Hamad told Haaretz that Meshal said, "Israel exists - and that's a fact."

However, Hamad maintained that Meshal did not say anything about recognizing Israel. "There was no change in our stance that Hamas does not recognize Israel," he said.

Salah Bardawil, head of Hamas's parliamentary faction, told Haaretz that after checking with Meshal, it seems to be that his words were twisted and distorted.

"He didn't speak about any recognition of Israel, only a cease-fire with Israel," Bardawil said.

Israel is a "reality" and "there will remain a state called Israel, this is a matter of fact," Meshal, who is considered Hamas' main power broker, told Reuters.

The problem was not Israel's existence but the failure to establish a state for Palestinians, said Meshal, whose party leads the Palestinian government.

Formal recognition of Israel could only be considered by Hamas once such a Palestinian state is established, Reuters quoted Meshal as saying.

Senior Hamas officials have already made similar statements over the past year, saying Israel's existence is an undeniable reality, but this is the first time that such statements are emanating from the group's Syria-based leadership.

This is also the first time that a Hamas official has raised the possibility of full and official recognition of Israel in the future. To date the group's official position, which Meshal had repeatedly reiterated, was that Hamas will never recognize Israel.

"The distant future will have its own circumstances and positions could be determined then," he said. Past concessions to Israel by Palestinian negotiators went unrewarded, he argued, and his Islamist group would drive hard bargains over key issues such as recognition.

"For Israel to suck us into bargains in stages and in packages - this road constitutes an attempt to weaken the Palestinian position."

Israel and Western governments have put financial sanctions on the Hamas-led Palestinian government for refusing to recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept past peace accords. Egypt has also been stepping up pressure on Hamas to recognize Israel.

Meshal said Hamas would defy the Western conditions and refuse to consider granting formal recognition to Israel until its demand for a Palestinian state was met.

Hamas wants a Palestinian state that includes Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem and the right of Palestinian refugees to return to homes lost in the 1967 Six Day War and before, Meshal said.

"As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders. It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land," said Meshal.

"This is a reality but I won't deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it," he added.

Asked about Meshal's comments, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev responded that Hamas had said in the past it wanted to wipe Israel from the map and there was no indication it had changed its position.

Meshal also blamed "Israeli intransigence" for the delay in a deal to release captured Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for thousands of Palestinian prisoners. Shalit's father Noam said Wednesday he would be willing to turn himself over to his son's captors if they release the captured soldier.

"The message must reach Gilad Shalit's family that Israel bears the responsibility for prolonging his captivity," Meshal said. "There had been real progress and Egypt is making a positive effort but regrettably the talks stumbled in the last few days because of Israeli intransigence," Meshal said.

"We are keen to release Shalit as soon as possible, but only in return for Israel releasing a number of our men, women, children and Palestinian leaders in its jails," he said.

Meshal said Shalit was being given "good treatment."

"The international community is concerned for one Israeli soldier called Gilad Shalit and has memorized his name," Meshal said. "It must show concern for the suffering of 11,000 Palestinian prisoners who include 400 children and 120 women."

ANALYSIS: Meshal declaration basic shift in Hamas position

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  2.   When Mashal recognizes Israel`s RIGHT to exist, as the national.. 08:52  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  3.   do you think Olmert is less extremist than Meshal? 09:19  |  KM 11/01/07
  4.   do you think Olmert is less extremist than Meshal? 09:19  |  KM 11/01/07
  5.   Question for Nadav # 2 09:30  |  Clickfool 11/01/07
  6.   No negotiations with anyone who doesn`t have a Jewish mother 09:51  |  Pablo B 11/01/07
  7.   Clickfool, once the Hamas government does the three things: 09:54  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  8.   KM #3 09:57  |  S 11/01/07
  9.   ONE statement of Olmert says more than a thousand words.... 10:01  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  10.   This Well Guarded Man Was Once Subject To A Mysterious, ... 10:02  |  Lavi 11/01/07
  11.   Band of hooligans 10:15  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/01/07
  12.   Israel has carried out promises in the past 10:17  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/01/07
  13.   Swiss miss 10:19  |  bulldozer 11/01/07
  14.   s, can you tell me why should Hamas recognize Israel without 10:27  |  KM 11/01/07
  15.   the man is a thug and a murderer 10:29  |  flashman 11/01/07
  16.   Nadav: Israel is also home of non-Jewish people 10:31  |  Israeli citizen 11/01/07
  17.   sitting on... 10:31  |  Tina 11/01/07
  18.   clickfool if you think you would move 268000 10:33  |  yair 11/01/07
  19.   obviously Israel is a reality 10:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/01/07
  20.   S, there is no possiblity of peace even with Fatah 10:42  |  KM 11/01/07
  21.   Meshal the believable.... 10:47  |  Stan the Man 11/01/07
  22.   KM #14 10:50  |  JaN 11/01/07
  23.   # 13 bulldozer 10:56  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  24.   Which promises are those, Jasmine? # 12 11:05  |  Clickfool 11/01/07
  25.   For Nadav, again # 7 11:08  |  Clickfool 11/01/07
  26.   Clickfool and "illegal" settlements 11:36  |  Kate 11/01/07
  27.   Olmer`s Blatant Arrogance 11:57  |  Tzfonit 11/01/07
  28.   The Hamas public relation show 12:06  |  Jonathan S 11/01/07
  29.   What Israel should do now and what she shouldn`t..... 12:13  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  30.   I believe the term is `Newbie` 12:15  |  Stan the Man 11/01/07
  31.   To Kate about the Clickfools of this forum 12:15  |  Jonathan S 11/01/07
  32.   flashman 12:35  |  christoph 11/01/07
  33.   In other words , Olmert is saying to Hamas to get lost 12:40  |  Joseph E . 11/01/07
  34.   I Don`t need your recognition! 12:46  |  Kenny Fisher 11/01/07
  35.   At Last there is a DIALOGUE between 12:52  |  Marge 11/01/07
  36.   When does Israel recognise Palestine? 12:57  |  Marilyn 11/01/07
  37.   Olmert`s arrogance?? 13:00  |  peter 11/01/07
  38.   Clickfool, I have sent a long reply to your question, Post 25, 13:03  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  39.   Meshal 13:03  |  Marty 11/01/07
  40.   #30 Stan the Man 13:05  |  Boycott 11/01/07
  41.   #25 Clickfool 13:19  |  Yonatan 11/01/07
  42.   #27 Kate - not arrogance but wiliness 13:25  |  Yonatan 11/01/07
  43.   #16 Israeli citizen 13:37  |  Yonatan 11/01/07
  44.   #29 Swuss (dino) 13:38  |  Yonatan 11/01/07
  45.   The Wall 13:40  |  Yonatan 11/01/07
  46.   Stan the man 13:57  |  Tareq 11/01/07
  47.   #34 13:59  |  Joseph 11/01/07
  48.   Mr. Boycott 14:09  |  Stan the Man 11/01/07
  49.   # 44 Yonatan 14:14  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  50.   Clickfool, since neither you nor I are official negotiators, as 14:15  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  51.   And furthermore Mr. Boycott 14:20  |  Stan the Man 11/01/07
  52.   It`s Meshal that is arrogant!! 14:24  |  Ian 11/01/07
  53.   KM 14 & 20 14:25  |  S 11/01/07
  54.   Must Nashal now lick Olmert`s shoes in prime time? 14:31  |  Toronto`s Finest 11/01/07
  55.   What Did Mashal Actually Say 14:43  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  56.   Yonathan in Beer Sheva 14:47  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  57.   Hello Ian#52 14:59  |  Najdt 11/01/07
  58.   Cipora #19 15:02  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  59.   Gabe1 #56 15:07  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  60.   Meshal - "opening" - not wrong though ... 15:08  |  J.M.Jordan 11/01/07
  61.   How Funny 15:13  |  Archangel 11/01/07
  62.   Since the Haaretz Censors Are Busy Here... 15:16  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  63.   #58, Gabe1 15:18  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/01/07
  64.   Hamas is in Trouble 15:20  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/01/07
  65.   # 37 peter (2nd try) 15:24  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  66.   Meshal wants to lift sanctions without proper recognition 15:42  |  James 11/01/07
  67.   Nadav #50 and Clickfool numerous posts 15:43  |  albert amato 11/01/07
  68.   Ronnie Wolman: Hamas Can Go to Hell 15:45  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  69.   For Nadav # 50 15:47  |  Clickfool 11/01/07
  70.   J M Jordan #60 15:48  |  S 11/01/07
  71.   BRACHA/Tzfonit #27 15:56  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  72.   Swiss(Dino) 16:01  |  ODP 11/01/07
  73.   But Olmert is also a terrorist so who cares? 16:05  |  stephen murray 11/01/07
  74.   Cipora #63 16:05  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  75.   Israeli rudeness 16:07  |  Sam 11/01/07
  76.   # 64 Ronnie, are you living in a dreamworld ?? 16:09  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  77.   The perils of a zero sum game. #54#58#59 and similar 16:10  |  Najdt 11/01/07
  78.   #7: Nadav: 1 point 16:10  |  Stephen Murray 11/01/07
  79.   CHGODMK 16:15  |  ODP 11/01/07
  80.   Ronnie 16:19  |  ODP 11/01/07
  81.   CHGODMK #59 16:22  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  82.   The reason Stephen Murray is that you`re 16:34  |  Jacob Blues 11/01/07
  83.   Consistancy Gabe, in the face of hate mongering 16:35  |  Jacob Blues 11/01/07
  84.   odp #79 16:37  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  85.   # 72 ODP 16:39  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  86.   Jacob Blues #83 16:41  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  87.   The illusion of peace-my Arab opinion 16:43  |  Abdeaziz Marzuk 11/01/07
  88.   Peter of Montreal #37 16:43  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  89.   Gabe1 16:52  |  ODP 11/01/07
  90.   mishal is in danger of getting another 16:55  |  izzy 11/01/07
  91.   Albert Amato, thank you for your coronation, post 67. but I am... 17:02  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  92.   Darwin lives 17:15  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  93.   Stephen Murray, the territories in question were taken over by... 17:25  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  94.   Sam #75 Not Just to Be Polite 17:30  |  Tzfonit 11/01/07
  95.   To Jacob Blues on Stephen Murray 17:30  |  Neil 11/01/07
  96.   ODP #89 17:36  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  97.   Swiss(Dino) 17:39  |  ODP 11/01/07
  98.   BRACHA/Tzfonit #94 17:41  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  99.   Now is the TIME 17:41  |  JR 11/01/07
  100.   #89 ODP 17:47  |  Ursula 11/01/07
  101.   Meshal 17:52  |  Ursula 11/01/07
  102.   Gabe1 17:53  |  ODP 11/01/07
  103.   #5."What should be done with those..... 17:54  |  Harri 11/01/07
  104.   After peace with Syria (ODP #80; Ronnie #64) 18:12  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  105.   # 97 ODP 18:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  106.   #14.RECIPROCITY & Its take TWO to TANGO 18:19  |  Marge 11/01/07
  107.   Entire world rejects Haaretz "Analysis", including Hamas! 18:19  |  Dr. L. Brnd 11/01/07
  108.   Swiss and ODP: Iran,Syria and Meshal 18:23  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/01/07
  109.   Haaretz Talkback editors, this is not for publication, please, 18:24  |  Nadav 11/01/07
  110.   ODP #102 18:27  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  111.   Tosefta 18:28  |  ODP 11/01/07
  112.   Tosefta: Too many Coincidences 18:44  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/01/07
  113.   # 92 Tosefta 18:44  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  114.   Ba`rel and the Israel Bashers - Looney Tunes 18:45  |  Tod Zuckerman 11/01/07
  115.   ODP #111 18:45  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  116.   Meshal is surrounded by reality 18:45  |  Bimmer 11/01/07
  117.   Ursula #100 18:46  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  118.   # 109 Nadav 18:54  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  119.   WHO is for PEACE & WHO is NOT for PEACE ??..... 18:56  |  Marge 11/01/07
  120.   The EU plan (Swiss #113) 19:00  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  121.   Gabe1 19:06  |  ODP 11/01/07
  122.   Tosefta 19:07  |  ODP 11/01/07
  123.   Coincidences? (Ronnie #112) 19:07  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  124.   #70, S (who´s aware of the bulls..t) 19:12  |  J.M.Jordan 11/01/07
  125.   Clickfool #5 19:20  |  JC 11/01/07
  126.   Of couse he dismisses the truth 19:24  |  wibism 11/01/07
  127.   Marge 19:24  |  Tamir Gaza 11/01/07
  128.   Swiss #113 (mediation) 19:26  |  Tosefta 11/01/07
  129.   Olmert is right, Israel is no reality ... 19:28  |  Andreas 11/01/07
  130.   Tod- use a bit of sense 19:33  |  Sam 11/01/07
  131.   # 120 Tosefta 19:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 11/01/07
  132.   Is Meshal a murderer? 19:38  |  christoph 11/01/07
  133.   #92....We should not be too happy with the ongoing civil warin th 19:49  |  Harri 11/01/07
  134.   odp #121 19:51  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  135.   Israeli Peace Intiative 20:21  |  Mary 11/01/07
  136.   ODP 20:30  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  137.   Ursula: Glass Houses 20:33  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  138.   Gabe1 20:39  |  ODP 11/01/07
  139.   Ursula: Inciting Violence 20:42  |  CHGODMK 11/01/07
  140.   odp #138 20:55  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  141.   wibism # 126 What`s Illegal About It? 20:56  |  Jeff Northridge 11/01/07
  142.   # 125 re: illegal settlements 20:57  |  Ed 11/01/07
  143.   How sad is to see people suffering because of one 21:01  |  dzone 11/01/07
  144.   CHGODMK #136 RE ODP 21:02  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  145.   CHGODMK 21:02  |  ODP 11/01/07
  146.   to FOOL, Dino, Marge and my fellow Israel supporters 21:10  |  Dave from Chicago 11/01/07
  147.   Well Gabe, I guess I could be more like you 21:11  |  Jacob Blues 11/01/07
  148.   Nadav #2 21:12  |  Veritas 11/01/07
  149.   Harri # 133 Good Idea! 21:28  |  Jeff Northridge 11/01/07
  150.   To Jordan #124 with friendship 21:35  |  S 11/01/07
  151.   #26 Er, and what did the Pals have to do with that??? 21:36  |  ballistic 11/01/07
  152.   You`ve Got To Love Olmert`s Reply 21:43  |  Jeff Northridge 11/01/07
  153.   Olmert 21:53  |  tadchase 11/01/07
  154.   I think Meshal & Olmert are in the same bed 21:56  |  emad matahin 11/01/07
  155.   #69 clickfool 22:15  |  tadchase 11/01/07
  156.   CHGODMK #136 22:46  |  Gabe1 11/01/07
  157.   #74, Gabe1 22:55  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/01/07
  158.   Knesset proclamation...there is no Palestinian state. 23:15  |  albert amato 11/01/07
  159.   Ballistic, the land will be returned to the Arabs, when 23:39  |  JC 11/01/07
  160.   Gotta like the headline, anyway. 23:42  |  Colin Wright 11/01/07
  161.   #141 Jeff Northridge 00:36  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  162.   To #146 `...my fellow Israel supporters.` 00:37  |  Colin Wright 12/01/07
  163.   This has always been Hamas`s position 00:49  |  Kim 12/01/07
  164.   Olmert and Meshal 00:53  |  bob pivarnick 12/01/07
  165.   ballistic # 147 You`ve Got To Be Joking 00:56  |  Jeff Northridge 12/01/07
  166.   #51 Stan the Man 00:58  |  Boycott 12/01/07
  167.   #142 Ed 01:11  |  Boycott 12/01/07
  168.   #139 CHGODMK 01:33  |  Ursula 12/01/07
  169.   Marylilyn YOU ARE RIGHT 01:38  |  TOBIA 12/01/07
  170.   #36 Marilyn the Australian with the twisted logic 01:42  |  Hastaroth 12/01/07
  171.   #9,#3,#14,#6 (didn`t get through first time) 01:47  |  Avi 12/01/07
  172.   #55 Gabe1 - Israeli demands a con job? 02:16  |  Pablo B 12/01/07
  173.   Jeff Northridge...digressing back to gutter town 02:18  |  Ibrahim 12/01/07
  174.   Israel chosen for WAR 02:35  |  Ani 12/01/07
  175.   #164 Jeff Northridge, cut the hyperbole 03:07  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  176.   ODP 03:09  |  CHGODMK 12/01/07
  177.   Gabe1 #156 03:25  |  CHGODMK 12/01/07
  178.   167 boycott 04:45  |  JC 12/01/07
  179.   174 04:48  |  JC 12/01/07
  180.   Pablo B Good points,bad conclusion 05:22  |  Ronnie Wolman 12/01/07
  181.   Ursula 05:41  |  CHGODMK 12/01/07
  182.   Ursula: My Post 05:43  |  CHGODMK 12/01/07
  183.   Johnboy #175 Conquest has many meanings 05:48  |  TonyL 12/01/07
  184.   GIVE ME A MESHAL ANY DAY OVER AN OLMERT 05:58  |  Dutch 12/01/07
  185.   Johnboy #175 Addition 06:10  |  TonyL 12/01/07
  186.   Manhole Explosions Leave Queens Powerless 06:16  |  Benjamin Alper 12/01/07
  187.   what Israel can offer... 06:25  |  michael 12/01/07
  188.   Dutch-Doris asks: "Give me a Meshal or a Haniyeh ".. Take both 06:36  |  People of the World 12/01/07
  189.   Boycott 166 - if the ICJ says so... 06:49  |  DavidAK 12/01/07
  190.   Dutch, you can HAVE Meshal! 07:00  |  DavidAK 12/01/07
  191.   Dutch 07:36  |  JC 12/01/07
  192.   to #162, Colin. Share the blame......... 07:38  |  Dave from Chicago 12/01/07
  193.   Did he confirm it with his masters in Damascus and Tehran. 08:24  |  Marwan مروان خوري 12/01/07
  194.   #36 Marylin. You twist history in any shape you want. 08:38  |  Marwan مروان خوري 12/01/07
  195.   IQs of somewhat less than 50 08:58  |  Hannah 12/01/07
  196.   Poor little Israel, for JC in New Mexico # 125 09:04  |  Clickfool 12/01/07
  197.   For Ed in Canada # 142, on the Geneva Convention 09:09  |  Clickfool 12/01/07
  198.   Give Dutch the Palestinians 09:21  |  Double Dutch 12/01/07
  199.   Total non sense 09:49  |  lola 12/01/07
  200.   He would dismiss them whatever Meshal would say 09:59  |  www.kibush.co.il 12/01/07
  201.   The Palestinians are a stumbling block for Zionist Israel 10:20  |  Clickfool 12/01/07
  202.   #192 Dave from Chicago 11:05  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  203.   Haaretz, you published Hannah #195 11:09  |  S 12/01/07
  204.   #195 Hannah, I couldn`t agree more... 18:03  |  Dutch 12/01/07
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