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Next year in Palestine
By Bradley Burston

A reader recently posed a question which it seems to me is always worth considering, and never worth answering:

"How long will I have to wait before there is an independent Palestinian state?"

Once, when there was an approximation of a peace process, when American presidents actively pressed for a two-state solution, the answers were judicious, considered, reasonable: Five years from Israel's 1994 initial Oslo withdrawal from the Gaza Strip and Jericho. Or, for adherents of what the State Department once proudly billed the Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - the year 2005.

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These days, though, the more credible answer to the question runs along these lines:

How long have you got?

I have been a supporter of a Palestinian state for longer than most Palestinians alive today have been alive. I expect that I may be a supporter of a Palestinian state until I am dead.

At this point, I have also come to expect that I will be dead before there is a Palestinian state.

Or, as another supporter of Palestinian statehood, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, said Monday, "The continuation of Palestinian-Palestinian conflict will have a negative effect on the Palestinian cause, and end Palestinians' hopes for establishing an independent state."

Increasingly, the movement for an independent Palestine has lost its pragmatism and its momentum. What is left is a mumbled mantra, a modern version of Next Year in Jerusalem.

It could just be that the greater the suffering of the Palestinians, and the longer their wait for an independent homeland, the more unlikely it becomes that the fantasy will, in the foreseeable future, be anything but.

The reason is as human as human nature denied. The more you suffer, the longer you wait, the more you feel you deserve in compensation for all that waiting and all that suffering.

No wonder there's no compromise with the demand for the return of six million or so Palestinian refugees to the ancestral homes of which they have heard so much, located within the confines of Israel proper.

No wonder there's no rush to recognize a clearly antagonistic, unsympathetic, and profoundly unhelpful State of Israel, or to stop praying for its demise.

The efforts of Israel to delay, undermine, sabotage or otherwise foil the creation of a Palestinian state have been well-documented, in the pages of this newspaper as nowhere else.

The efforts of Palestinians to hasten statehood, meanwhile, have often backfired with disastrous results, adding years and perhaps decades to the countdown to independence.

The question came to mind anew as I took advantage of illness to attend to a New Year's resolution I made a year ago and which expired last week. From my sickbed, I watched a tape of "Munich," Steven Spielberg's film on the Israeli assassination campaign that followed the murder of 11 members of the nation's Olympic team by PLO Black September gunmen in 1972.

A fever of 103, chills and intermittent flu-modulated nightmares may be just the mental state in which to reappraise Spielberg's most controversial work.

Especially these days. Turning the VCR off for a moment, the screen filled with breaking news footage of masked Hamas and Fatah security men killing each other, as well as their rivals' children, as well as chances of Palestinian statehood any lifetime soon.

I approached the film with equal measures of curiosity and trepidation. When "Munich" was released just a year ago, its critics on the Jewish right made it seem as though Spielberg and screenwriter Tony ("Angels in America") Kushner were about to do in the space of one film what the Palestinians had failed to do in the space of more than a century, convincing the world that the Palestinians were right all along.

At the time, the Zionist Organization of America, denouncing screenwriter Kushner for anti-Israel bias, immediately declared a boycott on the film. "Save yourself $10 and stay home," advised ZOA National President Morton Klein. "This 'second Munich,' like Chamberlain's Munich, only promotes appeasement of terrorists and the enemies of civilized democracies."

"We must send a message to Spielberg that we will not support a film that libels Israel and humanizes these haters and killers."

The prominent neoconservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, lumped Spielberg and Kushner together with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinehad, saying that all three had called into question the underpinnings of Israel's existence.

"It takes a Hollywood ignoramus to give flesh to the argument of a radical anti-Semitic Iranian," Krauthammer wrote.

Improbably, from this remove, what Spielberg's "Munich" actually tells us, is not that the Palestinians should win, but why they do not.

In the scene most vociferously condemned by the Jewish right, a PLO field commander named Ali unwittingly speaks with an Israeli agent named Avner, outlining a future in which an independent Palestine supplants a defeated Israel.

Ali: Eventually, the Arab states will rise against Israel. They don't like Palestinians, but they hate the Jews more. It won't be like 1967. The rest of the world will see by then what the Israelis do to us. They won't help when Egypt and Syria attack, even Jordan. Israel will cease to exist.

Avner:This is a dream. You can't take back a country you never had.

Ali: You sound like a Jew.

Avner: Fuck you. I'm the voice inside your head telling you what you already know. You people have nothing to bargain with. You'll never get the land back. You'll all die old men in refugee camps, waiting for Palestine.

Ali: We have a lot of children. They have had children. So we can wait forever. And if we need to, we can make the whole planet unsafe for Jews.

Avner: You kill Jews, and the world feels bad for them, and thinks you are animals.

Ali: Yes, but then the world will see how they've made us into animals. That will start to ask questions about the conditions in our cages...

Avner Do you really miss your father's olive trees? Do you honestly think you have to get back all that? That nothing? That chalky soil and stone houses, it that what you really want for your children?

Ali It absolutely is. It will take 100 years, but we'll win. How long did it take the Jews to get their own country?

It is a curious echo of a statement by the man believed to be the last surviving Munich assailant.

"I'm proud of what I did at Munich because it helped the Palestinian cause enormously," Jamal Al-Gashey said in 1999 in the acclaimed documentary "One day in September."

"Before Munich, the world had no idea about our struggle, but on that day, the name of Palestine was repeated all around the world."

Al-Gashey's in no rush. Ali's in no rush. Ahmadinejad's in no rush. They'll tell you - it's all a matter of time. Next year in Palestine, or next century, it's all the same to us.

You have to admire that kind of thinking. In one stroke, it legitimizes self-destructive action, fosters inaction, and explains, enshrines, and celebrates failure.

With that kind of thinking, a hundred years from now, when readers ask how long they'll have to wait for a Palestinian state, we'll know just what to answer.

How long have you got?

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  1.   munich 16:04  |  wounded dove 09/01/07
  2.   Past memories 16:55  |  BP MUN 09/01/07
  3.   Interesting 16:56  |  Blinky the Fish 09/01/07
  4.   Interesting part II 17:15  |  Blinky the Fish 09/01/07
  5.   #1 17:27  |  Yariv 09/01/07
  6.   A Made up Palestinian state? 18:14  |  Alan 09/01/07
  7.   The world doesn`t care 18:53  |  RCG 09/01/07
  8.   If they only wanted their own state it would be there since 1948 19:00  |  PETER SM 09/01/07
  9.   to Blinky fish 19:24  |  Alex 09/01/07
  10.   Munich 20:16  |  Yariv 09/01/07
  11.   To Alex #9 20:49  |  Blinky the Fish 09/01/07
  12.   To Yariv # 10 21:25  |  Realist 09/01/07
  13.   Yariv and Realist 22:37  |  Caliguy 09/01/07
  14.   Munich: C- 22:51  |  David Howard 09/01/07
  15.   Caliguy#13 23:33  |  Yariv 09/01/07
  16.   Death of Freedom of Speech at Haaretz 23:47  |  Sam Weinstein 09/01/07
  17.   Patience belongs to the Arabs 00:05  |  Eva 10/01/07
  18.   Next Year In Jerusalem 00:31  |  Bandar Michaels 10/01/07
  19.   oppessor lecturing to the oppressed 00:41  |  syvanen 10/01/07
  20.   Yariv #15 01:25  |  Caliguy 10/01/07
  21.   Caliguy#20 01:46  |  Yariv 10/01/07
  22.   Speilberg`s film "Munich". 02:11  |  sandra chitayat 10/01/07
  23.   "Munich", the Movie 04:41  |  Tony Anthony 10/01/07
  24.   The mirror image of the Israelis 05:36  |  Grif 10/01/07
  25.   Yariv #21 05:56  |  Caliguy 10/01/07
  26.   Grif 06:19  |  Caliguy 10/01/07
  27.   Munich`s Message 06:27  |  Liam 10/01/07
  28.   Jordan is palestine 07:46  |  Moshe 10/01/07
  29.   Those who deserve a State, will get one. Palestinians don`t! 08:07  |  RA 10/01/07
  30.   Yariv is 100% right about Carter 08:53  |  RA 10/01/07
  31.   Spielberg`s movie shows - 09:02  |  Ivo 10/01/07
  32.   OH, MAANN... 09:42  |  indrajaya 10/01/07
  33.   What Frustrates Me About Bradley`s Tone 09:46  |  Tim 10/01/07
  34.   May we lIve to see Palestine, Mr. Burston 09:49  |  Tzfonit 10/01/07
  35.   next year in Ramallah, London & Amsterdam 09:51  |  Ivo 10/01/07
  36.   Spielberg should fix his stupid little mistake 10:34  |  Tamir Gaza 10/01/07
  37.   next year in Palestine 11:01  |  mikeT 10/01/07
  38.   next year in palestine 11:53  |  jorge toer 10/01/07
  39.   Caliguy 11:55  |  Grif 10/01/07
  40.   mikeT 12:22  |  sh 10/01/07
  41.   Grif 13:12  |  Caliguy 10/01/07
  42.   You`re All Wrong 13:43  |  Yosemite 10/01/07
  43.   Tamir Gaza #36: it`s not a pro-Israeli movie 14:24  |  Ivo 10/01/07
  44.   NEVER WAS & NEVER WILL BE!!!!!! 14:58  |  BETTY 10/01/07
  45.   The Palestinians have nothing gained since Munich..... 15:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 10/01/07
  46.   IT ALRADY EXISTS ITS CALLED JORDAN 15:18  |  paul harris 10/01/07
  47.   With So Many Arabs Leaving, It Won`t Be An Issue 15:28  |  Yishai Kohen 10/01/07
  48.   #29 What a hypocrite you are!! 15:30  |  T A Sheppard 10/01/07
  49.   If the Situation Were Reversed 15:33  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  50.   What If the Situation Were Reversed? Part ll 15:42  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  51.   What If the Situation Were Reversed? Part lll 15:54  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  52.   I am sick of Jewish distortions 15:59  |  Marilyn 10/01/07
  53.   Oh come on...the Palis do NOT WANT a state. 16:01  |  albert amato 10/01/07
  54.   The most telling line 16:08  |  Clickfool 10/01/07
  55.   Marilyn and Jewish distortions 16:23  |  Yaron 10/01/07
  56.   Pals have less to lose than Israelis with US passports 16:25  |  Michael 10/01/07
  57.   #59 Carter and Dershowitz are not in the same league 16:31  |  Jens 10/01/07
  58.   Marilyn and Jewish distortions 16:31  |  Paul 10/01/07
  59.   "Yaakovs " simplisitc narrative 16:35  |  Danite 10/01/07
  60.   indrajaya "oh mannn." 16:36  |  tommy suharto 10/01/07
  61.   Yaakov Sullivan (1) 16:40  |  JewishHeart 10/01/07
  62.   Yaakov Sullivan: What if.... 16:42  |  Yaron 10/01/07
  63.   Why I dont worry 16:44  |  Danite 10/01/07
  64.   Forward to the Past (Back to the Future backwards) 16:47  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  65.   #57 I AGREE JENS .,CARTER IS AN IDIOT FROM WAY BACK 16:50  |  paul harris 10/01/07
  66.   Israel, the new Crusader state 16:51  |  Michael 10/01/07
  67.   #59 Mandate area had been overwhelmingly arab for centuries 16:58  |  Jens 10/01/07
  68.   Yishai Kohen 17:00  |  Danite 10/01/07
  69.   #61 Jewish Heart, the feasible and unfeasible 17:26  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  70.   Marilyn #52 17:33  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  71.   To RA`s "those who deserve" a State 17:34  |  Wiseone 10/01/07
  72.   Next Year in Palestine 17:54  |  Sam I am 10/01/07
  73.   #67 JENS IS STILL DETERMINED TO CHANGE HISTORY. 17:57  |  paul harris 10/01/07
  74.   Michael #66 17:57  |  Avi Yerushalmi 10/01/07
  75.   #52 and 58 17:57  |  Itsik 10/01/07
  76.   Ronnie Wolman 18:00  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  77.   Danite #68 and Yishai Kohen 18:04  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  78.   Bradely offers a SICK and TWISTED narrative 18:04  |  Joe 10/01/07
  79.   You and the Crusades before you 18:05  |  Subhi 10/01/07
  80.   366 michael and half truthshow do you explain 700 years OF ROMANS 18:15  |  paul harris 10/01/07
  81.   Avi 74 talk to the Arabs, not me 18:18  |  Michael 10/01/07
  82.   Gabe: Leaders and Losers 18:20  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  83.   Cali#25 18:40  |  Yariv 10/01/07
  84.   Paul 80, never heard of Outremer? 18:42  |  Michael 10/01/07
  85.   Munich humanizes terrorists...looks for an excuse 18:46  |  Marwan مروان خوري 10/01/07
  86.   #64 Ronnie Wolman 18:46  |  Boycott 10/01/07
  87.   Ronnie Wolman 18:52  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  88.   #79 SUBHI HOW LONG IS MUSLIM APARTHEID GOING TO LAST 18:53  |  paul harris 10/01/07
  89.   Attempts by Western Liberals to seek moral equivalency (cont.) 19:03  |  Marwan مروان خوري 10/01/07
  90.   Gabe: Leaders and Losers and Amandinejad 19:08  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  91.   Boycott: Badges `R` Them 19:11  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  92.   Marwan on humanizing terrorists #85 19:12  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  93.   There is no Palestine 19:42  |  Gennadiy 10/01/07
  94.   #92 Yaakov. Read my post #89 19:50  |  Marwan مروان خوري 10/01/07
  95.   By the way lvo 20:01  |  Tamir Gaza 10/01/07
  96.   Marwan this is simply wrong #94 20:14  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  97.   BRACHA/Tzfonit #34 20:16  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  98.   69 - Hamas & Fatah want to Destroy Israel 20:28  |  Bruriah Sarah 10/01/07
  99.   96 -Marwan is right - Hamas & Fatah want to destroy Israel 20:36  |  Bruriah Sarah 10/01/07
  100.   Wonded love (munich) 20:38  |  Omar 10/01/07
  101.   Ronnie Wolman #90 20:38  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  102.   The Jewish Rambo from Brooklyn 20:39  |  Joe 10/01/07
  103.   Gabe: Brachas Dream 20:41  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  104.   Its been predicted there will be a war between Syria and Lebanon 20:46  |  Tamir Gaza 10/01/07
  105.   79 Subhi - Crusaders, worth reading 20:49  |  Nana Poku 10/01/07
  106.   Gabe: Moshiachs are not a dime a dozen 20:57  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  107.   The FREE immigration of the Arabs into the British Mandate. 21:02  |  Alicia 10/01/07
  108.   The British created "Palestinians" 21:03  |  Alicia 10/01/07
  109.   Joe from Ramallah #102 21:04  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  110.   The British are responsible for the present Pal-issue! 21:05  |  Alicia 10/01/07
  111.   Ethnic Cleansing, Marilyn? 21:05  |  MK 10/01/07
  112.   Joe from Ramalla 21:06  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  113.   "Palestinians" are an Arab cocktail from all Arab countries 21:07  |  Alicia 10/01/07
  114.   #105 Nana-"Israel will vanish" 21:09  |  Joe 10/01/07
  115.   No People "deserves" a state. 21:21  |  MK 10/01/07
  116.   Gabe: Wheres Waldo? 21:24  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  117.   Ronnie Wolman 21:28  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  118.   More than a "nice dream", Ronnie, chaver 21:39  |  Tzfonit 10/01/07
  119.   # 88 : Less than Israeli apartheid 21:47  |  christa 10/01/07
  120.   #105 Nana-"Israel will vanish" 21:51  |  Joe 10/01/07
  121.   Michael # 81 22:04  |  Avi Yerushalmi 10/01/07
  122.   Marilyn #52 Why Was It Only Arab Land? 22:14  |  Tim 10/01/07
  123.   Ronnie Wolman -Brachas Dream 22:25  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  124.   Marwan is your last name "Torah"? #94 22:25  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  125.   Six Million Refugees and other Rubbish 22:31  |  aviva 10/01/07
  126.   And this avi yerushalmi is an unnatural state #109 22:35  |  Yaakov Sullivan 10/01/07
  127.   Yaakov 22:37  |  Danite 10/01/07
  128.   Bracha: People who are People 22:39  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  129.   Bracha/Tzfonit #106 22:43  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  130.   THE FOOL AND HIS CLICK 22:43  |  bo 10/01/07
  131.   Gabe: Return to Sender 22:45  |  Ronnie Wolman 10/01/07
  132.   Ronnie Wolman#107 22:49  |  Gabe1 10/01/07
  133.   Yaakov Sulivan #126 23:07  |  Avi Yerushalmi 10/01/07
  134.   Marilyn Obsessed with her Narcisstic Will inspite of the Truth! 23:29  |  Alicia 10/01/07
  135.   A simple observation. 23:34  |  Jack 10/01/07
  136.   And Another Thing Marilyn 23:41  |  Tim 10/01/07
  137.   Aviva 125 you can`t have it both ways. 23:42  |  Michael 10/01/07
  138.   ANOTHER MUSLIM PRIMITIVE TERROR STATE 00:17  |  SLAVO 11/01/07
  139.   #104 Tamir-Gaza (London) Re; Prediction 00:22  |  * BEN JABO 11/01/07
  140.   palestinian state 00:29  |  isiaiah 11/01/07
  141.   #124 Turncoat Sullivan - Theres`s no doubt 00:33  |  * BEN JABO 11/01/07
  142.   To Paul 00:41  |  Jose Marcio 11/01/07
  143.   Israelis want peace? Really? 01:18  |  H50 11/01/07
  144.   #48 Israelis dont live by the sword. Speak for yourselves. 01:21  |  RA 11/01/07
  145.   #71 Your lack of logic and reading comprehension doesnt surpise 01:26  |  RA 11/01/07
  146.   #91 Ronnie Wolman 01:33  |  Boycott 11/01/07
  147.   Name One Jew Yaakov 02:14  |  Efox 11/01/07
  148.   re: paul harris, Yep 02:18  |  Efox 11/01/07
  149.   Takes one to fight one . . . 02:41  |  revoltop 11/01/07
  150.   Michael#137 02:50  |  Yariv 11/01/07
  151.   Burston is Infuriating 02:58  |  Ariel 11/01/07
  152.   #136 And another thing Tim 03:04  |  Johnboy 11/01/07
  153.   Boycott: What Palestinian Country? 03:06  |  Ronnie Wolman 11/01/07
  154.   Yaron and the reason they refused it... 03:19  |  John 11/01/07
  155.   to H5O 03:23  |  ada reiter 11/01/07
  156.   Ramallah Joe! Nope! Not In Your Lifetime! Or Mine Either! 03:40  |  Yosemite 11/01/07
  157.   revoltop#146 03:47  |  Yariv 11/01/07
  158.   Sullivan 05:16  |  LL 11/01/07
  159.   #157 Yariv thinks fuzzy . . . 05:29  |  revoltop 11/01/07
  160.   #29 RA: Murdering innocent civilians 06:49  |  mo 11/01/07
  161.   #111 MK Ethnic Cleansing 07:11  |  mo 11/01/07
  162.   #159 The definition of "terrorism" 08:04  |  RA 11/01/07
  163.   when the Jewish king Herod fought Arab kings "beyond the Jordan" 08:15  |  nimrod 11/01/07
  164.   To Arabs "Palestine" means TEL AVIV, HAIFA, from RIVER TO SEA... 08:29  |  amir 11/01/07
  165.   A History Lesson 09:04  |  howiej 11/01/07
  166.   #162 RA terrorism defined . . . 09:23  |  revoltop 11/01/07
  167.   Yariv 150 Same old muddled Zionist thinking 09:55  |  Michael 11/01/07
  168.   Reveltop, so only UN members can be terrorists? 09:55  |  J-dawg 11/01/07
  169.   They would rather damage us than help themselves 10:00  |  Shalom Freedman 11/01/07
  170.   Michael #137 Jewish Right Of Return 10:10  |  Tim 11/01/07
  171.   #152 Johnboy. Yes But There is One Things You Guys Are Never Able 10:20  |  Tim 11/01/07
  172.   #166 Read the definition again, maybe it will sink in 10:57  |  RA 11/01/07
  173.   #160 Sabra and Shatila was commited by Lebanese 11:02  |  RA 11/01/07
  174.   In Israels interest 11:19  |  Natallie Durson 11/01/07
  175.   Tim 170, if you want to comment, read the posts first 12:10  |  Michael 11/01/07
  176.   #163 numrod 13:20  |  Baal 11/01/07
  177.   #95 Tamir Gaza: thanks 14:25  |  Ivo 11/01/07
  178.   Next year in Canada :) 14:48  |  Ivo 11/01/07
  179.   #171 Tim, I never answered because you never asked 15:44  |  Johnboy 11/01/07
  180.   joke`s on you Bradley 15:47  |  bob 11/01/07
  181.   Michael#167 16:24  |  Yariv 11/01/07
  182.   Mr burston and the arabs 17:20  |  Julien 11/01/07
  183.   Johnboy #179 Thanks For Your Reply But That Wasn`t My Question 17:25  |  Tim 11/01/07
  184.   #175 Michael 17:44  |  Tim 11/01/07
  185.   #174 _Natallie`s Mandate version 18:18  |  * BEN JABO 11/01/07
  186.   To Marilyn 52, 22:40  |  Jozef 11/01/07
  187.   #183 Tim, my original answer is still relevent Part 1 23:02  |  Johnboy 11/01/07
  188.   #183 Tim, my original answer is still relevent Part 2 23:29  |  Johnboy 11/01/07
  189.   #183 Tim, my original answer is still relevent Part 3 23:50  |  Johnboy 11/01/07
  190.   ..next year...... 00:03  |  Dave from Chicago 12/01/07
  191.   #185 * BEN JABO needs some more correcting 00:10  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  192.   #185 * BEN JABO needs even more correcting 00:21  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  193.   To Grif 00:23  |  Scharker Yid 12/01/07
  194.   #173 RA 00:41  |  Boycott 12/01/07
  195.   ignorant "Baal" mentioned 140X in the Hebrew Bible, but not even 00:47  |  nimrod 12/01/07
  196.   Johnboy#191 00:58  |  Yariv 12/01/07
  197.   Yo Mo 01:02  |  Schtarker Yid 12/01/07
  198.   #194 Yariv, one point 02:23  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  199.   #194 Yariv - some more points 02:41  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  200.   #194 Yariv, and finally....... 02:52  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  201.   Johnboy, By And Large You and I Don`t Disagree 02:53  |  Tim 12/01/07
  202.   Bradley : Words Jugglers. 03:14  |  Akram Zekaria 12/01/07
  203.   interesting akram zakaria #196 04:12  |  Sarah 12/01/07
  204.   Johnboy#200 04:53  |  Yariv 12/01/07
  205.   203# Sarah: You made Bradley even worse. 05:39  |  Akram Zekaria 12/01/07
  206.   #204 Yariv 05:59  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  207.   #201 Tim, on our points of difference 06:21  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  208.   Johnboy #207 "Our Point Of Difference" 06:44  |  Tim 12/01/07
  209.   Bradley could also write "Next year in Intestine" 06:58  |  post-critical-think 12/01/07
  210.   #208 Yes Tim, exactly right. 09:08  |  Johnboy 12/01/07
  211.   I rest my case. 11:56  |  Eckestein 12/01/07
  212.   #195 nimrod 12:44  |  Baal 12/01/07
  213.   #210 Johnboy Yes And No! (part 1) 12:51  |  Tim 12/01/07
  214.   Hold On There Natallie! You Just Said Something True! 13:04  |  Yosemite 12/01/07
  215.   Johnboy #210 Yes And No! (Part 2) 13:04  |  Tim 12/01/07
  216.   Johnboy#204 16:31  |  Yariv 12/01/07
  217.   Pal violence 17:20  |  Joseph 12/01/07
  218.   The West, Pals and oil 17:24  |  Ben Azai 12/01/07
  219.   Munich, the film, and the knee-jerk reaction of the reactionaries 01:37  |  David Turner 13/01/07
  220.   Palestine as Peace Partner 01:38  |  David Turner 13/01/07
  221.   The Region, and a Future Peace: 01:40  |  David Turner 13/01/07
  222.   #213 and 215 No, Tim, you are wrong Part 1 02:45  |  Johnboy 13/01/07
  223.   #213 and 215 No, Tim, you are wrong Part 2 02:56  |  Johnboy 13/01/07
  224.   #216 Yariv - 3 TRANCHES of land 03:10  |  Johnboy 13/01/07
  225.   murdering innocent civilians? 04:42  |  rara 13/01/07
  226.   Israel and the Future of Peace, #3 of the 4 above: 219, 220, 221 05:48  |  David Turner 13/01/07
  227.   Johnboy #222 and #223 Settlements (Part 1) 07:13  |  Tim 13/01/07
  228.   Johnboy #222 and #223 Settlements (Part 2) 07:27  |  Tim 13/01/07
  229.   Israel does not want Palestinian State, therefore no peace 13:46  |  Wessels 13/01/07
  230.   #227 Tim Part 1 15:17  |  Johnboy 13/01/07
  231.   #228 Tim Part 1 15:40  |  Johnboy 13/01/07
  232.   Johnboy 17:05  |  Yariv 13/01/07
  233.   Yaakov Sullivan 18:42  |  Avrum 13/01/07
  234.   Occupy,Occupier,Occupation 22:02  |  Avrum 13/01/07
  235.   Johnboy #230 00:31  |  Tim 14/01/07
  236.   #232 Yariv 01:04  |  Johnboy 14/01/07
  237.   #234 Avrum 01:08  |  Johnboy 14/01/07
  238.   #182 julien 03:12  |  Maurice 14/01/07
  239.   #235 Tim, 2nd try to reply. 06:57  |  Johnboy 14/01/07
  240.   #229 Wessel`s Myths 07:56  |  Tim 14/01/07
  241.   Johnboy #239 09:40  |  Tim 14/01/07
  242.   Johnboy #239 Israel`s Political System 10:30  |  Tim 14/01/07
  243.   #241 Tim 22:41  |  Johnboy 14/01/07
  244.   #242 - A propitious number, Tim 22:50  |  Johnboy 14/01/07
  245.   #243 Johnboy (Part 1) 00:16  |  Tim 15/01/07
  246.   Johnboy #243 00:41  |  Tim 15/01/07
  247.   #246 Tim 14:44  |  Johnboy 15/01/07
  248.   Johnboy #247 22:14  |  Tim 15/01/07
  249.   Next year in Palestine 07:57  |  Isa 16/01/07
  250.   Johnboy #234 08:19  |  Isa 16/01/07
  251.   #248 Tim 14:08  |  Johnboy 16/01/07
  252.   #250 Isa 14:17  |  Johnboy 16/01/07
  253.   Johnboy #251 22:39  |  Tim 16/01/07
  254.   johnboy #250 08:28  |  Isa 17/01/07
  255.   #253 Tim, on who is to blame 13:38  |  Johnboy 17/01/07
  256.   #254 ISA on the 4th GC 13:45  |  Johnboy 17/01/07
  257.   Johnboy #255 20:59  |  Tim 17/01/07
  258.   #257 Tim 23:06  |  Johnboy 17/01/07
  259.   Johnboy #258 04:46  |  Tim 18/01/07
  260.   #259 Tim 12:16  |  Johnboy 18/01/07
  261.   Jewish Palestinian 18:33  |  Blum 18/01/07
  262.   Johnboy #260 (Part 1 of 2) 22:02  |  Tim 18/01/07
  263.   Johnboy #260 (Part 2 of 2) 22:24  |  Tim 18/01/07
  264.   Johnboy: Here is How It Should Have Happened And What SHOULD Happ 00:54  |  Tim 19/01/07
  265.   johnboy and tim 12:07  |  Isa 19/01/07
  266.   #262 Tim, where you misquote me 13:01  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  267.   #263 Tim. Wrong again 13:09  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  268.   #264 Tim`s Pie in the Sky 13:24  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  269.   Johnboy #268 Why Is A Jewish State Such A Shocking Thought? 22:30  |  Tim 19/01/07
  270.   Isa #265 You are Mistaken About What I Said 22:39  |  Tim 19/01/07
  271.   #269 Tim Hahahahaha 23:44  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  272.   Johnboy #266, #267 and #268 (Part 1) 23:45  |  Tim 19/01/07
  273.   #265 Isa`s dream of cleaning out the Arabs 23:50  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  274.   #265 Isa, you rewrite history 23:55  |  Johnboy 19/01/07
  275.   Johnboy #266, #267 and #268 (Part 2 of 3) 00:00  |  Tim 20/01/07
  276.   Johnboy #266, #267 and #268 00:08  |  Tim 20/01/07
  277.   Johnboy #271 00:14  |  Tim 20/01/07
  278.   #277 I see Tim..... 07:06  |  Johnboy 20/01/07
  279.   #275 Tim twists history 07:13  |  Johnboy 20/01/07
  280.   Johnboy #278 Second Try: Are You Playing Games? 13:43  |  Tim 20/01/07
  281.   Johnboy #279 (Second Try) 13:56  |  Tim 20/01/07
  282.   @81 Tim lies. 12:43  |  Johnboy 21/01/07
  283.   #280 Tim, follow the bouncing talkback ball 13:03  |  Johnboy 21/01/07
  284.   Johnboy #283 Don`t Give Up Your Day Job Johnboy! 13:43  |  Tim 21/01/07
  285.   Johnboy #282 You Know What Personal Attacks Mean Don`t Ya Johnboy 13:59  |  Tim 21/01/07
  286.   Johnboy #282 (Part 2 of 3) 14:15  |  Tim 21/01/07
  287.   Johnboy #282 (Part 3 of 3) 14:23  |  Tim 21/01/07
  288.   #284 Tim, then PLAY that card 14:57  |  Johnboy 21/01/07
  289.   #285 Look Tim, I give up 15:12  |  Johnboy 21/01/07
  290.   Johnboy #289 21:54  |  Tim 21/01/07
  291.   Johnboy #288 You Are Not Paying Attention - AGAIN! 22:03  |  Tim 21/01/07
  292.   #290 Look, Tim, wrong and wrong 22:54  |  Johnboy 21/01/07
  293.   Johnboy #292 23:54  |  Tim 21/01/07
  294.   #293 Tim, WRONG 01:37  |  Johnboy 22/01/07
  295.   Johnboy #294 (Second try) Part 1 of 2 05:26  |  Tim 22/01/07
  296.   Johnboy #294 (Part 2 of 2) 05:36  |  Tim 22/01/07
  297.   #295/6 Tim, you are STILL WRONG 02:19  |  Johnboy 23/01/07
  298.   Johnboy #297 Come Again Johnboy????!!! 09:33  |  Tim 23/01/07
  299.   #298 Tim, ho hum 09:59  |  Johnboy 23/01/07
  300.   Johnboy #299 Faaaar Ouuuuuuut! 12:24  |  Tim 23/01/07
  301.   #300 Tim, you are displaying an embarassing ignorance 13:43  |  Johnboy 23/01/07
  302.   Johnboy #301 Maybe You Better Quit Your day Job.... 21:45  |  Tim 23/01/07
  303.   #302 Tim, I`ll try again 06:43  |  Johnboy 24/01/07
  304.   Johnboy #303 Rot!!! 12:12  |  Tim 24/01/07
  305.   #304 Tim, at least you have toned down the sarcasm 13:25  |  Johnboy 24/01/07
  306.   Johnboy #305 I Just Respond To Your Personal Attacks 21:52  |  Tim 24/01/07
  307.   Johnboy #305 And another Thing... 02:23  |  Tim 25/01/07
  308.   #306 Tim, your "bottom line" is a furphy 02:29  |  Johnboy 25/01/07
  309.   Johnboy: First: Don`t Forget To Answer My #307 But Also 09:19  |  Tim 25/01/07
  310.   #307 Tim, a pointless point 13:31  |  Johnboy 25/01/07
  311.   #309 Tim, another pointless point 13:44  |  Johnboy 25/01/07
  312.   Johnboy #310 and #311 22:01  |  Tim 25/01/07
  313.   #312 Tim poses some questions 00:21  |  Johnboy 26/01/07
  314.   Johnboy #313 I`ll Spell It Out For You JB... 09:19  |  Tim 26/01/07
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