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While Livni is polishing her wording
By Zvi Bar'el

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni coined a diplomatic innovation when she appeared at the conference of the Union of Local Authorities. "Today I can place parties that have a common denominator in the same camp, including Arab states. The Iranian threat is an issue that also troubles the moderate states adjacent to Iran." Therefore, now is the time to forge alliances with moderate Arab states and also to talk with moderate Palestinians, even in a reality of terror. Because, in Livni's view, "in today's reality, the division between Jews and Arabs, or between right and left, has blurred. The [real] division is between extremists and moderates at various levels."

This is indeed an appealing distinction, one that circumvents the heart of the national struggle. It's as if there is really only one global struggle against extremist Islam, symbolized by Iran, and this struggle crosses national boundaries, shatters the national aspirations of the Palestinians and even renders meaningless the differences between political right and left. There is the West versus the East and nothing else. It's a very comfortable formulation for a member of a government that has not missed a single opportunity to weaken these same moderates or to drive them to despair.

While Livni is polishing her wording as someone who sees herself as a worthy candidate for prime minister, someone else is running the State of Israel. On the same day that Livni made her remarks, her boss, Ehud Olmert, met with Hosni Mubarak to talk about tens of millions of dollars more for Mahmoud Abbas, the release of another few hundred prisoners, and perhaps, only perhaps, a quadrilateral meeting in which Jordan, Egypt, Israel and Abbas would participate. Olmert's discussion with Mubarak, therefore, was not about a new diplomatic initiative or vision, but only about barter arrangements.

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Not much was lacking for it to be said that the importance of the meeting with Mubarak lay in the very fact that it was held, as if he were an enemy rather than an ally who has been waiting for years for the Israeli side to hand him some real goods so that he could advance regional processes. Did Olmert really need to travel to Mubarak to talk about $100 million that belong to the Palestinians in any case, or about the need for tighter Egyptian supervision over the Philadelphi route?

But when important leaders like Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah - "moderates," in Livni's terminology, like those who dared to forge a peace treaty with Israel - are treated as apparatchiks, whose only function is to hold the lines, or when a meeting with them is considered a "gesture," as compared with a meeting with President Bush, which is considered a "summit," the title "moderate axis" loses its significance.

In any event, when from the perspective of the war of the Children of Light against the Children of Darkness, one fails to notice the illegal outposts or the renewed construction in the Hebron market, Livni's new orientalist thesis collapses with a whimper over the division between "extremists and moderates at various levels," because this "moderate axis" also has a limited lifespan.

Mubarak is already preparing Egypt for his successor. King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia is no longer a youth. Jordan is a close friend, but does not have the same influence as its two neighbors. The leadership in Syria is in any case labeled as a supporter of terror, even as its president seeks to renew negotiations. Abbas is busy trying to curb the gang warfare in his own backyard, and instead of a diplomatic plan, he receives a dry kiss on the cheek from Olmert and a shipment of rifles. And on the day of the meeting in Sharm el-Sheikh, he and Mubarak receive a typical Israeli hazing: a deadly operation by undercover commandos in Ramallah.

The Arab League, which agreed in 2002 to grant Israel a security belt and a promise of normalization, in return for a withdrawal and the solution of the Palestinian problem, does not think anyone in Israel took it seriously. After 40 years of occupation, they want to know: Does Israel plan to withdraw from the territories, dismantle settlements, come down from the Golan, and redraw its borders? If the answer is negative, and if Israel only wants to talk about releasing several hundred prisoners and some tens of millions of dollars, it should continue to conduct its affairs vis-a-vis the terrorist organizations.

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  5.   It is a Good Question 10:28  |  Wiseone 07/01/07
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  9.   messages in CAPITALS 11:06  |  chris 07/01/07
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  11.   #1 CONFUSED 11:12  |  ballistic 07/01/07
  12.   The Occupied Territories 11:14  |  Steve 07/01/07
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  15.   4# indrajaya 12:30  |  chasaboy 07/01/07
  16.   Zvi Bar`el, Hitler said he wanted peace in 1938. 12:35  |  Ken Jurist 07/01/07
  17.   Answer To Arabs: NO, WE ARE NOT LEAVING 12:41  |  Ben Israel 07/01/07
  18.   # 15, CHASABOY 13:29  |  indrajaya 07/01/07
  19.   Israel wants to know 13:55  |  Nechama 07/01/07
  20.   Israeli State Terror 13:56  |  Noura 07/01/07
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  26.   DELLUSIONAL- countdown 14:42  |  Udi 07/01/07
  27.   The real question 14:51  |  Bounce 07/01/07
  28.   Paul in the West Bank, Outer Space#10 15:03  |  Gabe1 07/01/07
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  30.   Territories 15:09  |  arik 07/01/07
  31.   Indrajaya 15:11  |  * BEN JABO 07/01/07
  32.   BRACHA/Tzfonit 15:13  |  Gabe1 07/01/07
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  34.   #23 15:26  |  Courcey 07/01/07
  35.   Nadav 15:29  |  Angela 07/01/07
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  37.   #19 Nechama, very good questions. Very good indeed. 15:32  |  Johnboy 07/01/07
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  41.   BOUNCE USA 15:35  |  Arab 07/01/07
  42.   BOUNCE USA 15:35  |  Arab 07/01/07
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  44.   What stolen lands are Arabs willing to leave? 15:40  |  Yacov 07/01/07
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  46.   ken jurist 15:41  |  Arab 07/01/07
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  50.   Nadav #23 17:01  |  krystal 07/01/07
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  53.   #20 "JUST SOLUTION" 17:17  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 07/01/07
  54.   we have no intentions of leaving the land 17:19  |  yahn goodey&virginia 07/01/07
  55.   #33 THE "KEY PROBLEM" 17:24  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 07/01/07
  56.   Zvi Bar`el is on point 17:42  |  Dutch 07/01/07
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  61.   Jan Elshout # 33 The Key Problem 18:10  |  Jeff Northridge 07/01/07
  62.   JON OF FLORIDA 18:11  |  Arab 07/01/07
  63.   #28 Gabe1 18:17  |  Paul 07/01/07
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  66.   #33 paranoid jan 18:32  |  Bruce 07/01/07
  67.   indrajaya #4 18:45  |  Bruce 07/01/07
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  69.   #32 right of return is the only obstacle to peace 19:02  |  Bob 07/01/07
  70.   The Livni peace plan 19:03  |  Tosefta 07/01/07
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  75.   Arab in Dubai 19:36  |  Sam 07/01/07
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  77.   #51 Tosefta 19:39  |  Paul 07/01/07
  78.   #45 wrong question 19:44  |  Bob 07/01/07
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  88.   Paul #44 20:13  |  Gabe1 07/01/07
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  92.   No, no and no 20:43  |  Michael N 07/01/07
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  97.   Arab in Dubai 21:15  |  DavidAK 07/01/07
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  103.   #84 Gabe1 21:53  |  Paul 07/01/07
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  108.   Tim 22:23  |  Angela 07/01/07
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  113.   #44 cause it is irrelevant under the mandate 22:36  |  ballistic 07/01/07
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  116.   to Shlomo from Tel Aviv 22:44  |  Jan Elshout 07/01/07
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  127.   1 tells the truth 23:29  |  Alex 07/01/07
  128.   Ernst of Amsterdam 23:29  |  Lynn 07/01/07
  129.   BEN JABO 23:45  |  Lynn 07/01/07
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  141.   #82 Livni not advocating for the enemy 00:25  |  ballistic 08/01/07
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  145.   Lynn and Israel #122 01:02  |  paul 08/01/07
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  147.   Tim #128 02:11  |  Tosefta 08/01/07
  148.   #133, Smadar 02:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/01/07
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  156.   #Tosefta #147 03:59  |  Tim 08/01/07
  157.   If Israel wont 04:04  |  BT 08/01/07
  158.   Go away, Dumbird #154 04:08  |  Tosefta 08/01/07
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  160.   Wibism #150 What a crap! 04:15  |  Brod 08/01/07
  161.   Yishai Kohen 04:55  |  Omar 08/01/07
  162.   #145 paul 04:59  |  Lynn 08/01/07
  163.   #153 Nechama 04:59  |  Johnboy 08/01/07
  164.   what a shame 05:13  |  Ramadan 08/01/07
  165.   Indrajaya 05:15  |  Ben 08/01/07
  166.   #158 Tosefta, When do you get some sleep? 05:17  |  Smadar 08/01/07
  167.   Indrajaya 05:17  |  Ben 08/01/07
  168.   C J Kohn 05:17  |  ARAB too 08/01/07
  169.   #150 05:24  |  Lynn 08/01/07
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  171.   Leaving the land of Israel 05:26  |  Romeo 08/01/07
  172.   Tim reTosefta 05:29  |  Ben Gurion 08/01/07
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  174.   @102, jan 05:45  |  vladimir 08/01/07
  175.   #163 Johnboy 05:46  |  Lynn 08/01/07
  176.   #164 Shame 05:49  |  Lynn 08/01/07
  177.   The sooner the unsettlers leave the better. 05:49  |  Timothy 08/01/07
  178.   Nr 25 arab of Dubai 05:53  |  Romeo 08/01/07
  179.   Arab too 06:00  |  Lynn 08/01/07
  180.   Tell`em Israelites are debating the value of peace 06:03  |  Joseph E . 08/01/07
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  182.   #168, ArabToo 06:16  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/01/07
  183.   Tim #156; facts and evaluations 06:20  |  Tosefta 08/01/07
  184.   #175 Lynn, really, really think of what you are arguing... 06:20  |  Johnboy 08/01/07
  185.   Israel Vision of the future 06:36  |  Mohammad 08/01/07
  186.   #166 Smadar 06:38  |  Tosefta 08/01/07
  187.   answer to no.,2 06:50  |  Standish 08/01/07
  188.   To Ronnie Wolman #133 Ideals and reality 06:51  |  Tzfonit 08/01/07
  189.   #47 "Voice of The Messiah" 06:55  |  Tim 08/01/07
  190.   We Won`t Ever Leave Our Land 06:59  |  Ken 08/01/07
  191.   Arab 07:06  |  France 08/01/07
  192.   Timothy 07:16  |  Ben 08/01/07
  193.   # 31, BEN JABO 07:17  |  indrajaya 08/01/07
  194.   # 67, BRUCE 07:20  |  indrajaya 08/01/07
  195.   # 167, BEN 07:26  |  indrajaya 08/01/07
  196.   Standish #187 "What would you do...?" 07:50  |  Tim 08/01/07
  197.   Moderate Arab Puppets and Protectorates 07:59  |  k 08/01/07
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  200.   Johnboy (Continued from Previous Post) 08:08  |  Tim 08/01/07
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  203.   Livni it is 2007 let James Bond do it RIGHT ??? 08:27  |  M. Segal 08/01/07
  204.   #181 POCOHNOTAS PONTIFICATES IN THE FACE OF REAL;ITY 08:43  |  paul harris 08/01/07
  205.   Reply to Ben #192. You have no need to fear Islam. 08:52  |  Timothy 08/01/07
  206.   #197, K 09:14  |  indrajaya 08/01/07
  207.   #197 k on moderate Arab states 09:20  |  Hastaroth 08/01/07
  208.   #199 Tim 09:43  |  Johnboy 08/01/07
  209.   #200 Tim 09:54  |  Johnboy 08/01/07
  210.   #202 Marwan, why are the Pals paying for the sins of Lebanon? 10:01  |  Johnboy 08/01/07
  211.   #1 Yishai 10:02  |  Archangel 08/01/07
  212.   When Shaloam? 10:10  |  Archangel 08/01/07
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  214.   #190 Ken 10:36  |  Archangel 08/01/07
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