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Ultra-Orthodox community debates boundaries of anti-Zionism
By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent

Documents published in the United States and Israel over the past few days provide a glimpse into the current debate in the ultra-Orthodox community following last week's visit of a handful of Neturei Karta and Satmar Hasidim to Iran.

The seven members of the Tehran delegation, all of them citizens of the United States and Western Europe, wrote a letter defending their decision to attend the conference of Holocaust deniers organized by Iranian President Mahmoud Amhadinejad.

"The Iranians stand today at the head of the war against the actions of the Zionists in the name of 'Israel'," they wrote. "It is our duty to reconcile with them and convince them that the nation of Israel, the nation of the Torah, is a submissive nation, a merciful nation, a nation that seeks peace, that seeks the burden of exile with love."

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The only solution to the Middle East conflict, they said, is to "wipe out Zionism, and accept the burden of exile [from the Land of Israel] as the will of God, Blessed be He."

The long document, titled "Ultra-Orthodox Among Holocaust Deniers?!," was written in Hebrew, and does not mention the delegation's members by name.

In Israel, the document was circulated in Jerusalem, Bnei Brak and Beit Shemesh. Although a Jerusalem resident who distributed the document told Haaretz that delegation members were welcomed in their communities with "respect and admiration," the primary motive behind the document was intense criticism the delegation received within the zealous anti-Zionist, ultra-Orthodox community.

Anger ignored

The document almost entirely ignores anger against the delegation that has been expressed in the Haredi mainstream, and was written following a statement by the official Satmar leadership distancing itself from the delegation, which appeared in the sect's journal in the United States.

The Satmar court of justice in Israel determined that the delegation "desecrated the name of God ... in an awful manner," and while it did not call for them to be banished from the community - a far-reaching step from the perspective of Jewish law - it did call on members of the community to "keep a distance from them and condemn their actions."

But the delegation's members are not afraid to condemn the rabbis and leaders who, they claim, are giving their blessing to Zionism.

Regarding the connection between Holocaust denial and anti-Zionism, the delegation said: "The Holocaust is a source of sustenance and vitality for Zionism." The Holocaust was not just the punishment for Zionism, as the Amdor of Satmar wrote, but it is "well known" that the Zionists "irritated the hateful Nazis, for those crazy, cruel people boycotted him."

But the delegation members said they do not deny the Holocaust, saying they clearly told the Tehran conference there was a "horrible and bitter Holocaust against the nation of Israel, and no one can deny it." But the Holocaust does not "permit anyone to use the blood of the saints, may God avenge their blood, to rise up against the nations."

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  1.   "Ultra-Orthodox" 07:44  |  Sylvia 20/12/06
  2.   Zionism is not Judaism 07:48  |  L A 20/12/06
  3.   They crossed the red line. 07:49  |  Meir Weinstein 20/12/06
  4.   boundries of antizioinizm 07:50  |  rivka 20/12/06
  5.   Satmar got it right. 07:52  |  Joe 20/12/06
  6.   Makes me almost wish... 08:32  |  Stinker 20/12/06
  7.   Sure what`s your solution? 08:57  |  Yehuda 20/12/06
  8.   Cast Them Out! 09:05  |  Yosemite Sam 20/12/06
  9.   The ugly face of Orthadox Jews 10:16  |  SJ 20/12/06
  10.   Irony 10:34  |  lola 20/12/06
  11.   # 8 - Yes, cast them out ! 11:07  |  Paul Henzen 20/12/06
  12.   Evil versus Wisdom 11:20  |  Hannah 20/12/06
  13.   RE #8 Irony: Both live in the middle ages 12:01  |  Tupac 20/12/06
  14.   Joe got it wrong (#5) 12:03  |  D Hirod 20/12/06
  15.   A HISTORY LESSON IS IN ORDER FOR LA 12:12  |  paul harris 20/12/06
  16.   #12 HANNAH HAVE YOU GOT ABIBLE READ IT 12:14  |  paul harris 20/12/06
  17.   Zionism embedded in Judaism - L A 12:47  |  sh 20/12/06
  18.   LA - please try to prove what you say! 12:50  |  A. 20/12/06
  19.   L A #2 12:52  |  Sarah 20/12/06
  20.   Hasn`t Anyone Read Ravitsky? 12:52  |  Rowan Berkeley 20/12/06
  21.   to Yehuda 13:19  |  Lubnani Yehudi 20/12/06
  22.   Hear the Word of the LORD 13:50  |  Psalm 20/12/06
  23.   boundaries 14:10  |  Henryk 20/12/06
  24.   Zionism is indeed not Judaism, but... 15:12  |  Edith 20/12/06
  25.   Re #13: Tupac NY 15:13  |  Yosemite Sam 20/12/06
  26.   #4 Boundries of antizionism 15:21  |  Cristobal 20/12/06
  27.   These Neturei Karta and few Satmar are consistent 15:22  |  Yaakov Sullivan 20/12/06
  28.   we should not be surprised by the variety of 15:54  |  salah al din 20/12/06
  29.   Why is everybody screaming against orthodoxy? 15:56  |  Avi Yerushalmi 20/12/06
  30.   These misfits have done nothing for peace 16:00  |  PETER SM 20/12/06
  31.   sullivan of course condones those crazys 16:02  |  SHIMON 20/12/06
  32.   Cristobal 16:08  |  sh 20/12/06
  33.   Rabbis in Teheran 16:20  |  G.RON 20/12/06
  34.   Peter SM on the Neturei Karta #28 16:40  |  Yaakov Sullivan 20/12/06
  35.   Zionists "irritated the hateful Nazis..." ????? 16:42  |  Yankelowitz (annoyed 20/12/06
  36.   To # 11 Paul Henzen : excommunicate anti-Zionist Jews ? LOL 16:48  |  Yanke-love-it 20/12/06
  37.   Freedom of Speech and hugs 16:50  |  Seymour Horowitz 20/12/06
  38.   Neturei karta using Iran and Hezbollah 17:04  |  Herbert Kaine 20/12/06
  39.   Idiot 17:18  |  Mark 20/12/06
  40.   Who cares about Naturei Karta???? 17:40  |  Jack 20/12/06
  41.   Re: Idiot ("Rabbies" and "Journalists") 17:55  |  Gaby 20/12/06
  42.   35 YANKELE IM STILL WAITNG FOR MY ANSWER 18:25  |  paul harris 20/12/06
  43.   This article does not have enough factual material 19:30  |  Shalom Freedman 20/12/06
  44.   # 29 Avi, what we have against Orthodoxy... 19:37  |  Paul Henzen 20/12/06
  45.   Stupid Talking Monkeys 19:50  |  Malys_tryx 20/12/06
  46.   promoting Moosejaw, Sasketchewan 19:51  |  Avi Newman 20/12/06
  47.   Good news for Choni Davidowitz & others 20:44  |  Ari ben Yisrael 20/12/06
  48.   The Ultra-Orthodox who attended the meeting in Iran 20:48  |  zepora 20/12/06
  49.   Anti-Zionism 21:21  |  Philippe 20/12/06
  50.   purely factual point 21:43  |  dan 20/12/06
  51.   A Halachic response to the NK philosophy, 22:33  |  Yosef Rabin 20/12/06
  52.   Paul Henzen # 44 22:40  |  Avi Yerushalmi 20/12/06
  53.   zionism came from ortodox judaism 23:04  |  Alan E 20/12/06
  54.   Sullivan.There are certainly plenty of gaps in my knowledge. 23:08  |  PETER SM 20/12/06
  55.   They may be anti-Zionions but definetely, they are not Jews. 23:49  |  Mr. Ami Goldman 20/12/06
  56.   Paul Henzen, who is we? #44 23:51  |  sh 20/12/06
  57.   # 52 Avi Yerushalmi - `normal` religion 00:47  |  Paul Henzen 21/12/06
  58.   Sullivan, "Yaakov Avinu"? 01:17  |  Jake 21/12/06
  59.   Edith, thanks for explaining to us who we are 01:18  |  Jake 21/12/06
  60.   Yankelowitz, wrong: your heroes doublecrossed themselves 01:51  |  Jake 21/12/06
  61.   Hannah, you are on very very shaky grounds concerning Judaism 01:53  |  Jake 21/12/06
  62.   L A, you contradict yourself completely 01:59  |  Jake 21/12/06
  63.   Rowan Berkeley, for those who don`t read Hebrew? 02:01  |  Jake 21/12/06
  64.   Nazis and Palestine 04:54  |  Efox 21/12/06
  65.   #2 Zionism is not...by LA 06:25  |  Amos Magram 21/12/06
  66.   Paul Henzen 06:26  |  Yosemite Sam 21/12/06
  67.   boundaries 19:20  |  Shmuelshachor 21/12/06
  68.   For far less Spinoza was execrated 22:23  |  Alain 21/12/06
  69.   to psalm 01:04  |  eva 22/12/06
  70.   camps 01:12  |  eva 22/12/06
  71.   to josef Rabin 01:38  |  i would gladlythe p 22/12/06
  72.   There are worse blasphemers than this 01:59  |  Brian Freund 22/12/06
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