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The Green Line is the border
By Ze'ev Sternhell

With one stroke of a pen, Education Minister Yuli Tamir managed to restore to the public agenda the basic question that should not have been marginalized in the first place on the validity, significance and legitimacy of the Green Line. The decision is an ideological one, as was the decision to erase the 1949 cease-fire line from textbooks.

It is hard to understand why the line's deletion was justified and its restoration deemed unacceptable by settlers and their supporters. It is true that there is no sanctity in the cease-fire line beyond the fact that turning it into an official border is the only possible basis for determining Israel's final territorial arrangements and for ending the war both with the Palestinians and with the Arab countries.

A country needs recognized and agreed-upon borders, and in their absence, it would be sentenced to generations of war. One of the sources of the disasters that befell Europe in the 20th century is the 100-year war for political and cultural reunification of Germany, which ended in the strongest country in the heart of the continent not having borders it considered final.

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Most of the recognized borders in the Western world are political constructions, for the most part arbitrary, a result of wars and struggles that at some point had to be put to an end. This is true not only of the eastern and western borders of Poland and Germany, but also of the lines separating Italy from Switzerland, France from all its neighbors and Belgium from Holland. The same is true of the borders between the United States and Canada, and those between the U.S. and Mexico. In Western Europe the borders cut across populations with the same culture, ethnic identity and language. These are artificial borders whose existence is justified because they serve the common good. Even these territories once saw wars.

This is the point where the debate between the camps in Israel begins. It should immediately be said that the settlers are correct when they claim an absence of roots and a historical basis to the existence of the Green Line. But this is a double-edged sword: If Israel erases the 1949 line, the Arab world is not bound by it either. If the Israelis are permitted to overturn the results of the 1948 War of Independence, why should the Arabs and the rest of the world be obliged to recognize the facts established then? Is there an Israeli interest in destroying the legitimacy of the achievements from the time the Jewish national state was established?

Therefore, we now have to raise awareness and secure the status of the cease-fire line among young Israelis, victims of brainwashing by right-wing governments, so that there will not be any backtracking from the outcome of the War of Independence. In other words, Israelis will not try to move the border east, while the Palestinians will stop dreaming of returning to the territory to its west.

Peace is a package deal. Though the settlers' camp is justified in saying there is no essential difference between a settlement in Kfar Sava and a settlement in Ariel, it is seriously mistaken in the other aspect of the problem: The conquest of the country until 1949 was vital, and therefore justified, because it meant the realization of the Jews' right to independence and self-determination. On the other hand, the post-1967 conquests are not legitimate, as they do not serve any vital national purpose.

Historical rights in themselves do not justify incessant bloodshed. Moreover, the Palestinians also have historical and natural rights to freedom and independence. Trampling these rights will push Israel to the peripheries of the Western world and will endanger its genuine interests. Israel, more than many other countries, needs international support just as it needs air to breathe.

From its inception, the Jewish nationalist movement was guided by the feeling that the earth was burning beneath its feet. In order to save as many people as possible it was necessary to conquer the land. Building a national home and establishing independence served this basic goal, and until 1967 it was proved possible to achieve all the Zionist goals within borders that existed until then. There was no need to move eastward: The territories are a burden, a moral, political and financial millstone around the neck of Israeli society.

The disengagement from Gaza showed most Israelis shared this opinion. And in spite of the personal pain they felt over the expulsion of people from their homes, the majority understood that the occupation is unnecessary and unjust. Who knows this as well as the education minister? She is working within her province to implement principles and policies for which she was elected. If only the same could be said of the entire government.

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  1.   The green line is NOT the border! 10:38  |  Nur 15/12/06
  2.   Settlement project has done its job... 10:54  |  Giles Martin 15/12/06
  3.   The world knows . . . 10:59  |  revoltop 15/12/06
  4.   When the qassams stop, and when pigs fly,... 11:01  |  Akiva Patysh 15/12/06
  5.   A note to Nur from Nurit 11:07  |  Nurit 15/12/06
  6.   Better watch out, better not cry, better not pout 11:10  |  Natallie Durson 15/12/06
  7.   Akiva shows his pig ignorance of facts 11:13  |  Marilyn 15/12/06
  8.   Thats` the point: If the westbank is disputed ... 11:17  |  Andreas 15/12/06
  9.   how right Sternhell is 11:18  |  anarcho-syndicalist 15/12/06
  10.   Nur 11:20  |  Olav 15/12/06
  11.   Marilyn, ouch! 11:40  |  Akiva Patysh, Tzioni 15/12/06
  12.   which line 11:44  |  Winner 15/12/06
  13.   #5, Durson, who is pouting? 11:51  |  Winner 15/12/06
  14.   #9 Olav, don`t bet your life on it! 11:54  |  spyguy 15/12/06
  15.   #10 - With modern weapons, it is impossible 11:59  |  spyguy 15/12/06
  16.   Restore the Green Line 12:09  |  Dana 15/12/06
  17.   A note to Nur from Ramallah, from Nurit from Nahariah 12:11  |  Nurit, 15/12/06
  18.   Arabs and Jihadhis say All Jews are settlers 12:12  |  B 15/12/06
  19.   FROM IDIOTS EXPECT ONLY IDIOCY 12:19  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  20.   #6 MARYLIN THIS WAS NEVER RATIFIED AND IS NOT THE BORDER 12:21  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  21.   Armistice line 1949 12:31  |  Josef 15/12/06
  22.   Never again 12:34  |  Choni Davidowitz 15/12/06
  23.   Would You Like To Vote On It? 12:53  |  Terry 15/12/06
  24.   and the Kitchen Sink. 13:05  |  FOX 15/12/06
  25.   Who Says 1948 is Legitimate and 1967 Isn`t? 13:19  |  Ben Israel 15/12/06
  26.   Stop arguing that the Green Line is not a border 13:20  |  Stephen Murray 15/12/06
  27.   #12, spyguy 13:32  |  Winner 15/12/06
  28.   Ze`ev Sternhell 13:42  |  John Staub 15/12/06
  29.   # 23 Stephen Murray 13:58  |  Josef 15/12/06
  30.   Marilyn -- this is not about the Holocaust 14:19  |  bbl 15/12/06
  31.   Precisely Paul Harris, you twit 14:22  |  Marilyn 15/12/06
  32.   Of course, the Green Line is the border 14:22  |  Michael 15/12/06
  33.   Israel`s borders not defined 14:29  |  Bruriah Sarah 15/12/06
  34.   But the governemtn does not feel the occupation is unnecessary & 14:53  |  Yaakov Sullivan 15/12/06
  35.   Akiva Patysh #4 15:01  |  Gabe1 15/12/06
  36.   Dana #13 15:08  |  Gabe1 15/12/06
  37.   Galut mentality 15:38  |  Gene 15/12/06
  38.   education minister deciding final borders 15:46  |  zionist forever 15/12/06
  39.   Choni Davidowitz #19 15:56  |  Gabe1 15/12/06
  40.   Greetings to the Moderate Israelis and Palestinians 16:00  |  BP 15/12/06
  41.   The border is the Pale of Settlement 16:06  |  Amin Nusseibeh 15/12/06
  42.   green line in 2006 16:13  |  michael 15/12/06
  43.   The Green Line 16:30  |  Howard M. Sachar 15/12/06
  44.   #27 MISS HABIB AND HISTORY ARE STRANGERS 16:39  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  45.   #28 MICHAEL NEEDS EDUCATION STRONGLY 16:44  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  46.   Sweet Marilyn 16:51  |  FOX 15/12/06
  47.   Better be satisfied with the educational benefit 17:07  |  Tosefta 15/12/06
  48.   Eretz Israel includes the whole of Jordan & Sinai 17:25  |  Stef 15/12/06
  49.   Its not about land 17:28  |  shai 15/12/06
  50.   Hag Sameah Hanuka, Gabe 1 17:29  |  Akiva Patysh, Tzioni 15/12/06
  51.   Intransigent block of wood 17:46  |  Akiva Patysh, Tzioni 15/12/06
  52.   Marilyn, the ignorant sow with selective memory 17:52  |  Michael 15/12/06
  53.   B - border fantasy 18:16  |  Ernie 15/12/06
  54.   Green Line - Mandate Palestine line 18:37  |  Eli E. Hertz 15/12/06
  55.   Maximalist Eretz Israel (Stef #37) 18:52  |  Tosefta 15/12/06
  56.   Nur from Ramallah is correct 18:58  |  Jake 15/12/06
  57.   anarcho-syndicalist 19:01  |  Jake 15/12/06
  58.   Amazing 19:06  |  The Observer 15/12/06
  59.   Marilyn, General Assembly recommendation 181 19:09  |  Jake 15/12/06
  60.   Arabs would not sign 1949 armistice agreements... 19:11  |  Jake 15/12/06
  61.   to my Arab brothers 19:18  |  from a Jew 15/12/06
  62.   Marilyn, sorry, us twits just don`t understand you 19:24  |  Jake 15/12/06
  63.   BP 19:26  |  GABE1 15/12/06
  64.   Andreas, yes it is simple logic 19:29  |  Jake 15/12/06
  65.   15 (B): Reply 19:34  |  CRT 15/12/06
  66.   Ernie, not so at all, I`m afraid 19:35  |  Jake 15/12/06
  67.   What a Bunch of Mega-Bull 19:36  |  Jeff Northridge 15/12/06
  68.   # 42 Elie E. Hertz - Welcome 19:38  |  Axel 15/12/06
  69.   Choni: 19: Repsonse 19:38  |  CRT 15/12/06
  70.   The real Mandate Line (Eli E. Hertz #42) 19:41  |  Tosefta 15/12/06
  71.   Akiva Patysh # 4- Israel`s offer of land for peace 19:46  |  BouSameer 15/12/06
  72.   the importance of peace 20:04  |  Joe 15/12/06
  73.   28: Michael, of course the world is flat! 20:10  |  David Teich 15/12/06
  74.   The Arabs won`t deal for less than the Green Line 20:12  |  Michael 15/12/06
  75.   Arabs recognized the international border in 1949 (Jake #49) 20:17  |  Tosefta 15/12/06
  76.   unhappy natallie durson 20:41  |  becky sharpe 15/12/06
  77.   The Green Line is not the border 20:50  |  The Fugitive 15/12/06
  78.   Fixing borders 20:50  |  KUTW 15/12/06
  79.   Nur from Ramallah 20:53  |  G. 15/12/06
  80.   Choni Davidowitz 20:58  |  S. 15/12/06
  81.   The real Mandate Line (Eli E. Hertz #42) 21:01  |  Tosefta 15/12/06
  82.   Sternhell`s logic 21:26  |  Otto Rand 15/12/06
  83.   Michael 54 21:29  |  Clickfool 15/12/06
  84.   Ze`ev, you were making good sense, sir... 21:31  |  Kol ha-Nevi`im 15/12/06
  85.   Green tape 21:34  |  JJ 15/12/06
  86.   Gene`s galut mentality 21:37  |  Otto Rand 15/12/06
  87.   Dana,Gabe`s answer to you is absurd 21:42  |  John 15/12/06
  88.   The Green Line Is The Border 21:48  |  Christopher A. Filla 15/12/06
  89.   David 56, of course your brain is flat! 22:10  |  Michael 15/12/06
  90.   The Green Line is the border; #71 22:12  |  J. Mundstuk 15/12/06
  91.   Clickfool 66 22:13  |  Michael 15/12/06
  92.   Arabs Never Recognized Border 22:58  |  AZB 15/12/06
  93.   #27 marylin habib NEEDS AHISTORY LESSON 23:07  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  94.   Time For Palestinian Capitulatio 23:08  |  AZB 15/12/06
  95.   Green Line 23:12  |  David Gershon 15/12/06
  96.   #71 chistopher files total rubbish AND ARGUES IT !! 23:14  |  paul harris 15/12/06
  97.   #69, Otto Rand 23:27  |  Winner 15/12/06
  98.   and , Christopher Filla, you are entirely wrong 23:35  |  Jake 15/12/06
  99.   JJ, only Israel asked for the Green Line to be a border 23:37  |  Jake 15/12/06
  100.   #22 Ben Israel, asks "who says" 23:48  |  Johnboy 15/12/06
  101.   Tosefta, just read the 1949 Ceasefire Agreement 23:49  |  Jake 15/12/06
  102.   Tosefta #58 23:52  |  FOX 15/12/06
  103.   BouSameer, Hello! 00:01  |  Akiva Patysh, Tzioni 16/12/06
  104.   Tosefta, Palestine Mandate was assigned in 1920 00:18  |  Jake 16/12/06
  105.   how is 1967 gains "not vital"? 00:34  |  aksel 16/12/06
  106.   The int`l border (Jake #75) 00:37  |  Tosefta 16/12/06
  107.   for #47, The Observer 00:42  |  Gullible Cynic 16/12/06
  108.   The Green Line is the Border 00:42  |  Ted Jenkins 16/12/06
  109.   ISLAM WANTS 100% OF ERETZ YISRAEL G-D`S INHERITANCE TO JEWS ?? 00:48  |  Bill. 16/12/06
  110.   Mandate date (Jake #84) 00:49  |  Tosefta 16/12/06
  111.   for #51, Jake 00:54  |  Gullible Cynic 16/12/06
  112.   re para three 01:04  |  ROB OF MELBOURNE AUS 16/12/06
  113.   Sternhell = Screwy Lefty, Who Refuses to Deal With Realityo 01:14  |  Tod Zuckerman 16/12/06
  114.   some facts 01:24  |  religionisforidiots 16/12/06
  115.   RISE UP MODERN DAY MACCABEE`S AND FIGHT G-D AND JEW HATRED ?? 01:30  |  Bill. 16/12/06
  116.   Tosefta 53 01:46  |  Passing Through 16/12/06
  117.   For Marilyn,Natalie Durson,Stephen Murray,Johnboy and many other. 02:05  |  Daniel Leopold 16/12/06
  118.   #102 Gullible Cynic is here for entertainment 02:28  |  * BEN JABO 16/12/06
  119.   Natalie - don`t concern yourself so much 03:03  |  * BEN JABO 16/12/06
  120.   Natalie - don`t concern yourself so much 03:03  |  * BEN JABO 16/12/06
  121.   To Winner 03:26  |  Otto Rand 16/12/06
  122.   To Bill in New Zeeland 03:35  |  Otto Rand 16/12/06
  123.   To Tod Zuckerman, San Francisco 03:44  |  Otto Rand 16/12/06
  124.   Once more Bill, NZ #110 03:48  |  Otto Rand 16/12/06
  125.   Jake 03:49  |  Ernie 16/12/06
  126.   * 119 OTTO RAND . 04:31  |  Bill. 16/12/06
  127.   It is like the saying 04:37  |  Roger 16/12/06
  128.   The lighbulb over Sternhell goes on 04:48  |  peter 16/12/06
  129.   So in 1967 Nasser was just kidding 04:59  |  peter 16/12/06
  130.   *117 OTTO RAND . 05:00  |  Bill. 16/12/06
  131.   Suicidal Politics 05:10  |  Karin Mannet 16/12/06
  132.   *BEN JABO on Natalie 05:11  |  Gabe1 16/12/06
  133.   Gabe 1 05:12  |  John 16/12/06
  134.   BEN JABO 05:39  |  John 16/12/06
  135.   league of nations and balfour declaration 05:40  |  dubious 16/12/06
  136.   To Otto Rand 05:42  |  Gene 16/12/06
  137.   Marilyn About Pig Ignorance 06:02  |  Tim 16/12/06
  138.   Marilyn, You Are The Twit! 06:11  |  Tim 16/12/06
  139.   More Haaretz Looney Toons!! 06:13  |  HonsetAbe 16/12/06
  140.   Reply To Otto Rand 06:22  |  Tod Zuckerman 16/12/06
  141.   fools the green line is not recognized or agreed upon. 07:04  |  ralph 16/12/06
  142.   To: Green line is not the border 07:23  |  Steve 16/12/06
  143.   Daniel, what was your excuse before Hamas? 07:47  |  Ibrahim 16/12/06
  144.   Dubious #130 07:53  |  Tim 16/12/06
  145.   #116, Otto Rand 07:57  |  Winner 16/12/06
  146.   nothing deserve that))))) 08:44  |  gevara 16/12/06
  147.   The Green Line is the only border the world recognises 11:35  |  Michael 16/12/06
  148.   Ibrahim: What As Israel`s Excuse Before Hamas? 12:50  |  Tim 16/12/06
  149.   84: Gosh, Mikey, such a brilliant repost... 12:59  |  David Teich 16/12/06
  150.   Nurit # 14 - I like your response to Nur # 1 13:08  |  Yair 16/12/06
  151.   to nur 1 The Green line should be in the Nile and Iraq 13:26  |  Gabi 16/12/06
  152.   Defensible borders 13:26  |  CommonSense 16/12/06
  153.   Ibrahim, your citique of Daniel`s quote is a bit dishonest in.... 13:30  |  Nadav 16/12/06
  154.   Yes to the Green Line border 13:51  |  Messiah ben David 16/12/06
  155.   Ibrahim-#137-What is your excuse after Gaza 14:17  |  Daniel Leopold 16/12/06
  156.   84: Gosh, Mikey, such a brilliant repost... (2nd try) 15:30  |  David Teich 16/12/06
  157.   138: Ibrahim, talk about pathetic! 15:33  |  David Teich 16/12/06
  158.   John #128 15:38  |  Gabe1 16/12/06
  159.   Tim vs. Ibrahim, Arafat also refused to accept the offer in 2000 15:41  |  Nadav 16/12/06
  160.   Israel`s borders 16:01  |  norman ravitch 16/12/06
  161.   #!9 HERE IS THE PROBLEM LAID OUT 16:14  |  ballistic 16/12/06
  162.   #104 Prozac anyone? 16:25  |  ballistic 16/12/06
  163.   dubious # 130 So, What Do You Want To Do? 16:29  |  Jeff Northridge 16/12/06
  164.   #110 GO FOR IT 16:29  |  ballistic 16/12/06
  165.   #133 `WAS` IS OPERATIVE WORD 16:32  |  BALLISTIC 16/12/06
  166.   PROOF THAT PALESTINIANS ARE EGYPTIANS 16:40  |  SALAH AL DIN 16/12/06
  167.   #142 MICHAEL AND THE LAW ARE STRANGERS 16:56  |  paul harris 16/12/06
  168.   Michael # 142 Wrong! 17:08  |  Jeff Northridge 16/12/06
  169.   153 BALLY IS STICKY LOOK UP HOMELAND 17:36  |  paul harris 16/12/06
  170.   $152 FISCAL FACTS REVEALED TO A MAGIC MUSHROOM 18:10  |  paul harris 16/12/06
  171.   To Nur 18:53  |  Zak Lamont 16/12/06
  172.   Wouldnt it be easier to listen to the rest of the world 18:54  |  A Bethlehemite 16/12/06
  173.   JOHNBOY 19:15  |  SALAH AL DIN 16/12/06
  174.   ISRAEL IS A STATE FOR THE JEWS 19:19  |  SALAH AL DIN 16/12/06
  175.   Anarcho Syndicalist 21:14  |  Danite 16/12/06
  176.   I suggest israelis.... 21:18  |  Danite 16/12/06
  177.   Tosefta 21:22  |  Danite 16/12/06
  178.   Ibrahim 21:23  |  Danite 16/12/06
  179.   Ballistic #153: Which Bit Of #133 Didn`t You Understand? 21:30  |  Tim 16/12/06
  180.   The borders of Israel should not include any Arab countries 21:43  |  Sal 16/12/06
  181.   #109 It would Help If Peeple Would Quote Reality Not Make Believe 21:55  |  Tim 16/12/06
  182.   Jeff 163 Wrong! 23:11  |  Michael 16/12/06
  183.   PAUL 162 Micronesia agrees with you! 23:15  |  Michael 16/12/06
  184.   #177 MIUCHAEL READ MY LIPS N&S KOREA ARE SOVEREIGN STATES 23:39  |  paul harris 16/12/06
  185.   Green line only ceasefire line-that the Arabs never honored 00:28  |  Definitely True 17/12/06
  186.   Tosefta, the mandate provisions were like a `constitution` 00:34  |  Jake 17/12/06
  187.   What really makes me laugh... 00:54  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  188.   Thank you, Ze`ev! 00:58  |  Zev Aelony 17/12/06
  189.   2000 Barak offer 00:58  |  John 17/12/06
  190.   The "Jewish State"... 01:01  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  191.   Don`t you mean Castro? 01:05  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  192.   Michael On Micronesia 01:20  |  Tim 17/12/06
  193.   Nico de Lange 04:50  |  Tim 17/12/06
  194.   John You Are Doing What Comes Naturally for Israel`s Critics 04:57  |  Tim 17/12/06
  195.   Zev Aelony # 183 05:55  |  Yair 17/12/06
  196.   John Who Did Clinton Blame for the Failure of Oslo? 06:07  |  Tim 17/12/06
  197.   John on 2000 Barak Offer 06:25  |  Tim 17/12/06
  198.   #169 ARROGANCE UNLTD. 06:31  |  ballistic 17/12/06
  199.   #174 AS I SAID, `WAS` IS OPERATIVE 06:44  |  BALLISTIC 17/12/06
  200.   #175 You must be a zionist 06:45  |  ballistic 17/12/06
  201.   Sternhell advised Arabs to shoot Jewish settlers 07:40  |  Sandra 17/12/06
  202.   STERN HELL 08:36  |  Mary 17/12/06
  203.   Borders should be determined by security interests of Israel 08:38  |  Robert 17/12/06
  204.   #194, ballistic 08:46  |  Winner 17/12/06
  205.   Green or red line what about millions of refegees 09:09  |  yahya 17/12/06
  206.   #205 YAYAYA THEY ALL ARE ENTITLED TO LIVE IN JORDAN 09:31  |  paul harris 17/12/06
  207.   205: yahya, try being honest about refugees 09:35  |  David Teich 17/12/06
  208.   BALLISTIC THE HENDERSON MAN 09:43  |  LEVY 17/12/06
  209.   Proof of no border is the Jordanian`s abdication... 10:00  |  Ben Avraham 17/12/06
  210.   Nur #1 10:11  |  Niv 17/12/06
  211.   Hey Tim... 10:32  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  212.   Ethnic minorities 10:38  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  213.   Barak`s generous offer 10:48  |  Nico de Lange 17/12/06
  214.   #173 SALAH AL DIN - no, no, no 13:26  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  215.   #117 Daniel Leopold quotes Hamas` position on the `67 borders 13:32  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  216.   #197 Tim. Dennis Ross presents a map in a book. 13:42  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  217.   The Amazing Johnboy!!! 14:23  |  Tim 17/12/06
  218.   Nico de Lange: Ethnic Minorities 14:59  |  Tim 17/12/06
  219.   Nico de Lange: Barak`s Offer 15:08  |  Tim 17/12/06
  220.   215: Johnboy still trying to evade the truth 15:43  |  David Teich 17/12/06
  221.   81: Not correct, Tosefta 15:59  |  David Teich 17/12/06
  222.   #220 David Teich, who spins, spins, spins 23:03  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  223.   #217 Tim, there is amazement all right 23:15  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  224.   #221 David Teich, not so at all. 23:22  |  Johnboy 17/12/06
  225.   Your`e Partially Right Johnboy 00:20  |  Tim 18/12/06
  226.   #225 Tim twists his facts, and is dead wrong in others 02:37  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  227.   Have You Heard Of Benny Morris Johnboy? Part 1 07:11  |  Tim 18/12/06
  228.   Benny Morris Part 2 07:12  |  Tim 18/12/06
  229.   Benny Morris Part 3 07:13  |  Tim 18/12/06
  230.   And This Is What Haaretz Reported... 07:23  |  Tim 18/12/06
  231.   222: JB, you just can`t keep from lying, can you? 09:44  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  232.   224: JB. Not puppy, this is documentation 09:59  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  233.   JB, for phunn... 10:07  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  234.   #232 David Teich wants documentation 13:02  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  235.   #233 David wants some phunn 13:09  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  236.   #231 David Teich wants Israel recognized, but not on any borders 13:21  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  237.   #228 Tim, who is a big fan of Benny Morris 13:32  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  238.   Johnboy: Who The F*ck Is Tanya Reinhart? 14:26  |  Tim 18/12/06
  239.   Let`s review JB`s attempt, p1 21:56  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  240.   Let`s review JB`s attempt, p2 22:03  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  241.   Let`s review JB`s attempt, p3 22:09  |  David Teich 18/12/06
  242.   David Teich has no idea. None at all 23:27  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  243.   #238 Tim doesn`t read widely 23:34  |  Johnboy 18/12/06
  244.   to Tim #238 00:03  |  zeev 19/12/06
  245.   242: JB, always amusing, always bigoted 08:51  |  David Teich 19/12/06
  246.   #245 David Teich seems to have trouble reading 10:34  |  Johnboy 19/12/06
  247.   #245 David Teich also seems to have trouble writing 10:39  |  Johnboy 19/12/06
  248.   #245 David Teich seems to have trouble, well, thinking 10:48  |  Johnboy 19/12/06
  249.   JB: Rationalizations still don`t trump logic 13:52  |  David Teich 19/12/06
  250.   #249 David Teich is stretching 14:48  |  Johnboy 19/12/06
  251.   #249 David Teich gets narky 14:57  |  Johnboy 19/12/06
  252.   250: It`s not difficult JB. It`s thinking that taxes you 10:45  |  David Teich 20/12/06
  253.   #252 Ignorance is bliss for you David Part 1 23:10  |  Johnboy 20/12/06
  254.   #252 Ignorance is bliss for you David Part 2 23:16  |  Johnboy 20/12/06
  255.   #252 Ignorance is bliss for you David Part 3 23:20  |  Johnboy 20/12/06
  256.   #252 David backpedals on the PLO 23:36  |  Johnboy 20/12/06
  257.   JB: You just can`t help it, can you? 11:21  |  David Teich 21/12/06
  258.   #257 David Teich follows Israeli SOP Part 1 13:33  |  Johnboy 21/12/06
  259.   #257 David Teich follows Israeli SOP Part 2 13:35  |  Johnboy 21/12/06
  260.   #257 David Teich does not understand the Mandates Part 1 13:59  |  Johnboy 21/12/06
  261.   #257 David Teich and Mandates Part 2 14:06  |  Johnboy 21/12/06
  262.   #257 One correction to my post of #261 14:52  |  Johnboy 21/12/06
  263.   Jonnyboy, flooding the board doesn`t change anything 15:45  |  David Teich 23/12/06
  264.   Oh, I just to add something about the Balfour lunacy 15:45  |  David Teich 23/12/06
  265.   So I just had to add something about the Balfour lunacy 15:49  |  David Teich 23/12/06
  266.   You Forgot Resolution 242 which SUPERCEDES 181 06:46  |  abu afak 31/12/06
  267.   Resolution 242 SUPERCEDES 181 06:51  |  abu afak 31/12/06
  268.   Resolution 242 SUPERCEDES 181 08:52  |  abu afak 31/12/06
  269.   Land of Oz and the rightful Aborignal Landowners 23:31  |  cag 07/01/07
  270.   cag 19:55  |  Avenger 10/01/07
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