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del.icio.us Digg It!  new Shooting without a target By Haaretz Editorial During the final days of the war, when it became clear that the Israel Defense Forces had no solution to the ongoing launchings of Katyusha rockets, a decision was made to "flood" the area with cluster bombs, delivered by artillery shells and rockets. This was non-target specific shooting, based on the assumption that the bomblets would cover a large area, possibly destroy Hezbollah rocket launchers and cause as many casualties as possible among its fighters. A soldier who fired 155mm artillery shells delivering cluster bombs told Haaretz that he was ordered to "flood" the area with these bombs, without having a specific target. A commander of a Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) told Haaretz that his order was to "saturate the area." These statements were published in stories by Meron Rapoport on September 8 and 12. More than a million cluster bomblets were dropped in southern Lebanon. Each M-26 rocket fired by an MLRS contains 644 cluster bomblets, capable of covering an area the size of a football field. Firing at undefined targets is a problem in and of itself. The dilemma it entails is reflected in statements by soldiers who fired cluster bombs during training and recognized that this type of weapon should be used only in a war against a regular army, for the purpose of hitting arms supply convoys or missile batteries - not against civilian areas. But beyond this dilemma, the committee investigating the war should find out whether anyone considered what would happen to the thousands of cluster bomblets that failed to explode, and were therefore transformed into mines spread throughout southern Lebanon. Advertisement The cluster bomb is not a banned weapon, but it is described as an "indiscriminate" weapon, which should not be used against targets in civilian areas because, inter alia, it continues to kill once the war is over. Since the cease-fire went into effect, 12 Lebanese civilians have been killed by duds that exploded unexpectedly. Since the percentage of unexploded cluster bomblets ranges from 5 to 30 percent, according to various assessments, southern Lebanon is now an area littered by thousands of bomblets that have not yet exploded. Questions regarding the IDF's conduct during the war have many implications, both moral and practical. Israel's ability to rally international support depends in part on the distinction it makes between innocent civilians and the enemy. While Hamas and Hezbollah attack civilians as part of their strategy, Israel declares that it does not do so, and that it makes an effort to avoid harming civilians. The decision to drop cluster bombs on villages, with no specified targets; the decision to use these bombs over a large area, making it impossible to know in advance who will be there; and the well-known fact that a large percentage of these munitions will not explode on impact, and will therefore be transformed into mines in an area to which civilians will return, are all further testimony to the flawed decision-making of those who managed the war. Now, Israel can do little except accede to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan's request and assist in marking the areas hit by the cluster bombs, so that there will be no further casualties among Lebanese civilians, who have already been hurt by the war. Significant portions of southern Lebanon have now become minefields. Annan's condemnation was not without basis. Bookmark to del.icio.us Breaking his silence The Annapolis summit provoked Iran's president to lash out against Israel. Israel's school daze Education Ministry data reveal a gap in test scores between Jewish and Arab schools.   1.   Thanks for this editorial 10:30  |  Maral 14/09/06   2.   The strength of an Army depends on its moral convictions 10:36  |  Mario 14/09/06   3.   IDF Most Moral Army in the World 10:37  |  Will. 14/09/06   4.   Correction :) 10:43  |  Maral 14/09/06   5.   To #2 Mario 10:47  |  Colin Wright 14/09/06   6.   Only states have legitimate violence 10:52  |  Will 14/09/06   7.   #1 Maral -- I Will Work With You, And You With Me 10:53  |  Yonatan Netser 14/09/06   8.   Israel a terrorist entity after all? 10:56  |  Ben 14/09/06   9.   Israel can do little? 10:58  |  LF 14/09/06   10.   Cluster Bombs to Prevent Resumption of Normal Life 11:00  |  Karim 14/09/06   11.   Hatred is an infectious diesease 11:03  |  Daniel Leopold 14/09/06   12.   Israel is a terrorist state par excellence 11:05  |  Khalid 14/09/06   13.   #8 Daniel 11:18  |  Muoaid-Iraqi in UAE 14/09/06   14.   Yanatan 11:18  |  Maral 14/09/06   15.   Fighting Fire With Fire: Cluster Bombs Not Illegal Or Outlawed 11:22  |  Yishai Kohen 14/09/06   16.   Haaretz 11:22  |  007 14/09/06   17.   Brave people 11:24  |  Mahj 14/09/06   18.   Stop using the word `terrorist` fpr Pals and Hezbolah in the 11:27  |  Mark B. 14/09/06   19.   Evil Monsters 11:27  |  Fletch 14/09/06   20.   ENDANGERING PEACE KEEPERS 11:31  |  Marilyn 14/09/06   21.   #20 Marilyn - YOU ARE MEAN 11:54  |  Muoaid-Iraqi in UAE 14/09/06   22.   Open this idea out 11:59  |  sh 14/09/06   23.   Mark B in Amsterdam 12:01  |  Laszlo Yarkony 14/09/06   24.   maral speak 12:04  |  thucydides 14/09/06   25.   IDF Cowards and killers 12:05  |  ralph 14/09/06   26.   maral "need coffee" 12:05  |  thucydides 14/09/06   27.   Yishai Kohen 12:11  |  Maral 14/09/06   28.   Peace keepers - Marulyn/Australia 12:12  |  Laszlo Yarkony 14/09/06   29.   Thucydides, my pet... 12:19  |  Maral 14/09/06   30.   JUST A WAR CRIME AMONG OTHERS 12:36  |  Lebanese 14/09/06   31.   To Laszlo Yarkony in Israel 12:41  |  Mark B. 14/09/06   32.   C.WRIGHT.For somebody who has no problems with Hamas charter 12:45  |  PETER SM 14/09/06   33.   Maral: YOU Post Disinformation 12:55  |  Yishai Kohen 14/09/06   34.   maral cant help it .you provide cheap entertainment 12:59  |  thucydides 14/09/06   35.   peter sm 32 12:59  |  potaboc 14/09/06   36.   Yishai Kohen: total propaganda 13:12  |  Maral 14/09/06   37.   Thucydides can`t help himself 13:12  |  Maral 14/09/06   38.   potobac moral morally and moral 13:16  |  zadok the priest 14/09/06   39.   Rocket Babies 13:17  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/09/06   40.   Shame on you Israel. 13:23  |  Adel 14/09/06   41.   There is No 13:34  |  Fletch 14/09/06   42.   israel and a series of arab revolts 13:35  |  lord acton 14/09/06   43.   No Maral: Total TRUTH 13:38  |  Yishai Kohen 14/09/06   44.   To Yishai, from Yesha, not Israel 13:39  |  John 14/09/06   45.   Do we even know where they landed? 13:40  |  Steph 14/09/06   46.   To Yishai, from Yesha, not Israel 13:42  |  John 14/09/06   47.   To Yishai, from Yesha, not Israel 13:44  |  John 14/09/06   48.   Since when are civilian accomplices of Hizbullah innocent? 13:56  |  Bennie 14/09/06   49.   Yishai Kohen 13:57  |  Maral 14/09/06   50.   Ben 13:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   51.   To Steph No. 45 - No Not Even Israel Knows Where the Bombs Landed 13:58  |  Karim 14/09/06   52.   Yishai Kohen, continued... 14:02  |  Maral 14/09/06   53.   Just another crime 14:05  |  Salam 14/09/06   54.   Katyushas in schools 14:08  |  Margie from Tel Aviv 14/09/06   55.   # 41, Fletch 14:16  |  Haitham 14/09/06   56.   Maral #49 14:17  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   57.   Marilyn - YOU ARE MEAN, BUT REALLY 14:18  |  Third World Jew 14/09/06   58.   Margie from Tel Aviv 14:20  |  Fletch 14/09/06   59.   Salam Be ashamed 14:21  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   60.   Fletch 14:22  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   61.   To John 14:31  |  Third World Jew 14/09/06   62.   To John And Maral From YeShA, Israel 14:31  |  Yishai Kohen 14/09/06   63.   Margie from Tel Aviv 14:33  |  Fletch 14/09/06   64.   Marilyn 14:39  |  Justine 14/09/06   65.   Margie in Tel Aviv, # 59 14:44  |  Salam 14/09/06   66.   Not merely "flawed decison-making" 14:49  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   67.   Justine 14:50  |  Justicia 14/09/06   68.   Salaam 14:57  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   69.   #56 To Margie in TA 14:58  |  Oetis 14/09/06   70.   Excellent Editorial 14:59  |  Salam 14/09/06   71.   The fog of war & colateral damage 15:01  |  Ronald McDonald 14/09/06   72.   maral "israel targetted everything except hizb" 15:01  |  thucydides 14/09/06   73.   maral "hizb looks after its own" 15:07  |  thucydides 14/09/06   74.   Yishai Kohen, human shields and Hizbollah #62 15:13  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   75.   Israel doesn`t need enemies 15:13  |  Galactica 14/09/06   76.   #14 Maral- Read More Carefully 15:15  |  Yonatan Netser 14/09/06   77.   Shame on you Israeli 15:16  |  Jack 14/09/06   78.   ADEL Shame on Lebanese Agressors. 15:20  |  PETER SM 14/09/06   79.   UNIFIL: 100 ceasefire violations by Israel over last month 15:24  |  Clickfool 14/09/06   80.   POTOBAC.For someone who has no moral probs.with any Arab action 15:31  |  PETER SM 14/09/06   81.   Shooting without a target: malice or stupidity? 15:39  |  Ren 14/09/06   82.   Fletch in Redditch 15:44  |  Roanld McDonald 14/09/06   83.   I can understand the frustration 15:45  |  Mark Lincoln 14/09/06   84.   If using cluster bombs is defensible 15:53  |  Stephen Murray 14/09/06   85.   Salam-#53-Look in your own backyard 15:58  |  Daniel Leopold 14/09/06   86.   Cluster Bombs And Salt - Karim #10 16:03  |  Cincinnatus 14/09/06   87.   Shooting without a Target 16:09  |  Imre 14/09/06   88.   Bad Choices 16:13  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/09/06   89.   Mark Lincoln -#72-Pontificating again 16:22  |  Daniel Leopold 14/09/06   90.   I`m disappointed 16:23  |  Walid 14/09/06   91.   Mark Lincoln #72 16:30  |  Freddy 14/09/06   92.   to Yishai Kohen 16:37  |  Wes 14/09/06   93.   An institutional problem 16:37  |  Rebekah S 14/09/06   94.   Use of Cluster Bombs 16:38  |  gregdn 14/09/06   95.   Ren from Sth Australia-# 70 16:50  |  Daniel Leopold 14/09/06   96.   Salam-#65-Hate is infectious 17:00  |  Daniel Leopold 14/09/06   97.   Ronnie Wolman: Onus Bonus 17:14  |  Ibrahim 14/09/06   98.   Cluster Bombs 17:17  |  H. McGann 14/09/06   99.   is there a difference? 17:26  |  ravi 14/09/06   100.   Says Amos Schocken, who had said Israel didn`t go far enough 17:33  |  Jake 14/09/06   101.   To Yisha # 43 17:35  |  Otz Chiim 14/09/06   102.   gregdn # 94 17:38  |  Cincinnatus 14/09/06   103.   Arabs succeed and will succeed again 17:50  |  peter 14/09/06   104.   Cluster bomb, shmuster bomb 17:54  |  Calhoun 14/09/06   105.   to all 18:03  |  boris 14/09/06   106.   Basic logic 18:04  |  Hannah 14/09/06   107.   Walid Would you care to join us? 18:06  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 14/09/06   108.   "Yaakov"#74 "Then why Tarry Yaakov" 18:13  |  Danite 14/09/06   109.   #8, Ben 18:14  |  Hannah 14/09/06   110.   #23, Lazlo Yarkony in Occupied Palestine 18:28  |  Hannah 14/09/06   111.   #38, ZTP 18:37  |  Hannah 14/09/06   112.   #39, Wolman 18:39  |  Hannah 14/09/06   113.   # 42, Lord Acton 18:43  |  Hannah 14/09/06   114.   we must admit error, & help clean it up 18:50  |  Howard 14/09/06   115.   Danite and His Premature Hoshanahs #108 18:50  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   116.   Ibrahim: Common Sense 18:53  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/09/06   117.   Endangering Peace keepers/Marilyn 18:55  |  Maureen Ann 14/09/06   118.   Israeli artilley is really palestinian kassam launchers? 18:57  |  rick 14/09/06   119.   #57, Third World Jew 18:59  |  Hannah 14/09/06   120.   45500 cluster bombs a day 19:03  |  wow 14/09/06   121.   cluster bombs aimed at UN forces 19:06  |  clever guy 14/09/06   122.   Haaretz drops cluster bombs on Israel 19:14  |  Lori LowenthalMarcus 14/09/06   123.   Why Hannah 19:32  |  Jasmine Murphy 14/09/06   124.   The despair of the hannah`s of this world 19:34  |  peter 14/09/06   125.   90 % pointless.....Shut talkback down 19:39  |  Maimon 14/09/06   126.   clever guy = moron 19:39  |  Calhoun 14/09/06   127.   Yes Margie, I would 19:54  |  Walid 14/09/06   128.   Peter sm 80 20:03  |  potaboc 14/09/06   129.   Facts 20:09  |  Justine 14/09/06   130.   God bless Haaretz, and long may Talkback continue 20:14  |  Clickfool 14/09/06   131.   #123, Jasmine Murphy 20:15  |  Hannah 14/09/06   132.   Lori # 122 20:16  |  Steph 14/09/06   133.   Common Sense 20:17  |  peter 14/09/06   134.   Yes,Israel should have used arrows and stone catapults 20:26  |  Absolute Sweden 14/09/06   135.   Lessons of Gaza transferred to Lebanon 20:33  |  Ben Gurion 14/09/06   136.   Blame unimportant now 20:41  |  T A Sheppard 14/09/06   137.   Absolut rubbish 20:44  |  Justine 14/09/06   138.   IDF Morally corrupt 20:46  |  Baz Mann 14/09/06   139.   Fighting Fire With Fire: Cluster Bombs Not Illegal Or Outlawed 20:54  |  Ron 14/09/06   140.   Absolute Sweden seems to be arguing for...#134 21:11  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   141.   Justine # 129 21:19  |  Cincinnatus 14/09/06   142.   Ron: The Issue Isn`t That Of Evil Vs. Evil 21:21  |  Yishai Kohen 14/09/06   143.   War crime vs. legitimate military purpose 21:34  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   144.   #130 & blessing Ha`Aretz 21:38  |  Ari ben Yisrael 14/09/06   145.   Better Intel, Better Intel, Better Intel 21:38  |  John Isenhower 14/09/06   146.   TO MARGIE IN TEL AVIV 21:43  |  FAIR 14/09/06   147.   Yishai Kohen and the boomerang #142 21:43  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   148.   Paddy Sullivan,repent,go to a closter,in a way of atonement for 21:44  |  Absolute Sweden 14/09/06   149.   You prevaricate, Mark L. 21:51  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   150.   Jacob Blues Wants His Cake and Eat It Too#143 21:56  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   151.   Today fagin seems to be writing as Absolute sweden #148 21:59  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   152.   Jacob Blues and the use of phosphorus bombs #149 22:03  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/09/06   153.   You`re a Jew hater, Hannah, plain and simple 22:08  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   154.   israel and a series of arab revorlts # 42 22:08  |  fair 14/09/06   155.   It`s interesting how Tom Friedman came to a different conclusion 22:13  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   156.   The Lebanon problem (Ronnie Wolman #88) - 2nd try 22:34  |  Ben Gurion 14/09/06   157.   sullivan`s tiresome rationalizations 22:41  |  peter 14/09/06   158.   Yaacov now acting as Hizballah`s spokesman 22:44  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   159.   Sorry Yaacov, but Bush wasn`t in Falluja 22:46  |  Jacob Blues 14/09/06   160.   Ben Gurion: More Common Sense (2nd try) 23:29  |  Ronnie Wolman 14/09/06   161.   cluster bluster 23:38  |  tony aron 14/09/06   162.   Only liberal wimps try to understand the enemy 00:00  |  Mark Lincoln 15/09/06   163.   Sorry Jacob 00:04  |  Mark Lincoln 15/09/06   164.   HANNAH 00:07  |  don juan 15/09/06   165.   Could thid be true? 00:31  |  LF 15/09/06   166.   tony aron # 160 00:32  |  Cincinnatus 15/09/06   167.   Walid 00:53  |  Lancy 15/09/06   168.   #56 Margie and her videos 01:13  |  Johnboy 15/09/06   169.   #122 Lori and the unnamed officer 01:24  |  Johnboy 15/09/06   170.   LF # 163 02:28  |  Cincinnatus 15/09/06   171.   Haaretz 02:56  |  Aussie RA 15/09/06   172.   Israeli "Moral High Ground" 03:00  |  William Burke 15/09/06   173.   Ibrahim#97 03:03  |  Danite 15/09/06   174.   When the peacekeepers are dead 03:04  |  William Burke 15/09/06   175.   Hannah# 106 03:06  |  Danite 15/09/06   176.   Hamas and Hezbollah do; Israel doesn`t 03:11  |  hollingworth 15/09/06   177.   "Yaakov" Thank you!! 03:12  |  Danite 15/09/06   178.   Ben Gurion 03:15  |  Danite 15/09/06   179.   HANNAH..YOU GO GIRL 03:23  |  AKOUSHLA 15/09/06   180.   #161, MarkL 03:49  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 15/09/06   181.   Cluster bombs 04:04  |  Anna S. 15/09/06   182.   Targetting civilians --- Collateral Damage. 04:18  |  Rabbit 15/09/06   183.   Ibrahim-#97-Agreed 04:27  |  Daniel Leopold 15/09/06   184.   yishai kohen and maral 04:39  |  maria 15/09/06   185.   Understanding how Lebanon flails in the wind 04:42  |  peter 15/09/06   186.   if you cant stand the heat,stay out of the kitchen 04:43  |  rick 15/09/06   187.   NOTHING NEW FOR ISRAEL kill kill kill 04:50  |  CHEEWAWA 15/09/06   188.   Indeed he was Mark 05:06  |  Jacob Blues 15/09/06   189.   Great Googly Moogly, Ibrahim!!! 05:09  |  Jacob Blues 15/09/06   190.   It`s been written before Mark L, but its worth another printing 05:16  |  Jacob Blues 15/09/06   191.   NJ on Margies recp com. Conspired wVI 05:21  |  Yussef Gideon 15/09/06   192.   No Anna, you are wrong 05:21  |  Jacob Blues 15/09/06   193.   One word says it all.. 05:38  |  Ziad 15/09/06   194.   JOHNBOY.Your impeccable sources from the uberleft 05:43  |  PETER SM 15/09/06   195.   Designed environmental pollution 05:51  |  Brigitte Meier 15/09/06   196.   It is part of the doctine of the Israel-IDF´s... 05:53  |  another shimon... 15/09/06   197.   bombing recklessly 06:21  |  n.friedman 15/09/06   198.   Any Difference Between IDF and Hizballah? 06:46  |  Roger 15/09/06   199.   Jacob Blues #188 07:07  |  Danite 15/09/06   200.   Significance of the effects of such tactics 07:09  |  Gordon 15/09/06   201.   TO OUR DEAR HANNAH 07:52  |  Eli 15/09/06   202.   Custer Bombs 08:37  |  Shem 15/09/06   203.   Agree 08:50  |  David 15/09/06   204.   Cluster Bombs 2 09:56  |  Shem 15/09/06   205.   #192 PETER SM wants evidence 10:10  |  Johnboy 15/09/06   206.   Re: David n.203 10:53  |  007 15/09/06   207.   Margie. Morals? 10:59  |  Ben 15/09/06   208.   Cluster Bombs - Abuse of Power 11:02  |  Bader Abu-Ghosh 15/09/06   209.   #151 To Sully, In His Many Guises 12:36  |  Liam Roth 15/09/06   210.   returning to Qana 12:38  |  Chewbacca 15/09/06   211.   Howard in the US 13:24  |  Marilyn 15/09/06   212.   Cluster Bombs 14:28  |  T.J. 15/09/06   213.   Margie from Tel Aviv 17:33  |  Meir 15/09/06   214.   What Israel Really Lost 18:03  |  eom 15/09/06   215.   Cluster Bombs 18:07  |  Arik Yacobi 15/09/06   216.   Cluster Bombs 18:07  |  Arik Yacobi 15/09/06   217.   Panick breaks the mighty. 18:46  |  simon 15/09/06   218.   #182 right, Rabbit, the statistics don`t lie. 18:49  |  hollingworth 15/09/06   219.   anti-semite 19:43  |  great satan 15/09/06   220.   Reply to #62 20:48  |  Tony 15/09/06   221.   Decision to drop bomb flawed? 21:26  |  Fed Up 15/09/06   222.   An unconscionable act against humanity 22:42  |  Dutch 15/09/06   223.   To Arik #215 00:59  |  Jean 16/09/06   224.   Walid #90 - great comment 06:40  |  Sheri 16/09/06   225.   #99 Ravi - the difference is huge 06:49  |  Sheri 16/09/06   226.   #118 Rick Why use clusters on open fields 06:55  |  Sheri 16/09/06   227.   ashkanazi jews are semetic genetically 07:14  |  Sheri 16/09/06   228.   peter sm 80 11:29  |  potaboc 16/09/06   229.   clusterbombs one of many israeli crimes 11:55  |  tina from jerusalem 16/09/06   230.   Cluster OK - Napalm Ok for the Enemies! 18:33  |  Anon. 16/09/06   231.   to cincinattus 166/something about your ideas 05:55  |  tony aron 17/09/06   232.   to sheri number 225 / this is also a solution 06:09  |  tony aron 17/09/06   233.   #232 Tony 06:50  |  Sheri 18/09/06   234.   Only if you will walk by my side, Jean! 18:15  |  Arik 29/11/07

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