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Jordan's King to Haaretz: Nuclear transparency applies to Israel as well
By Akiva Eldar
Tags: Jordan Israel Peace 

AMMAN - Since I last saw him, a bit more than two years ago, streaks of gray have appeared in the hair of the 48-year-old Jordanian king. Fifteen years ago, on October 26, 1994, Abdullah II's father and Yitzhak Rabin co-signed a peace treaty, and King Hussein spoke of the fine period the neighborhood was about to enter. Today, Jerusalem, the apple of the eye of the Hashemite dynasty (the peace agreement assigns Jordan a "role" in the eastern part of the city), is about to go up in flames; Mahmoud Abbas, the man who was supposed to extricate Jordan and Egypt from the unsplendid isolation of Arab recognition of Israel, played the Goldstone report like a rookie; Hamas is celebrating Israel's release of 20 female Palestinian prisoners; Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is breaking records in the opinion polls; and President Barack Obama is promising more than he is delivering.

For a long while, the "Jordan is Palestine" formula - of which many Israelis, notably Ariel Sharon, were fond - rattled the royal house. In recent years, only right-wing Israeli fringes continue to espouse the idea. But Palestine was and remains flesh of Jordan's flesh. When Palestinians are killed in Gaza, the grief is felt in Jordan. An adviser to the king noted that during Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip, no fewer than 600 protest demonstrations against Israel were held in Jordan. Since Netanyahu returned to the Prime Minister's Office and Avigdor Lieberman has assumed the foreign affairs portfolio, personal contacts between Jordanians and Israelis have become rarer, and the Jordanian media have become more hostile.

This week, the Jordanian population bureau issued a forecast, according to which by 2050, the country's population, which is currently 5.9 million, will approach 10 million. Officially, unemployment is 15 percent, but in practice it is higher. These statistics are fanning the fires of the adversaries of a pragmatic, pro-Western regime that has an active ambassador in Israel. The king musters his rich vocabulary in English to warn Israelis that they should not take peace with Jordan for granted. He recalls that his father likened the peace process to riding a bicycle: Stop pedaling and you fall.
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King Abdullah greets me at the entrance to his spacious offices, and already from the start of our interview, his concern is apparent. I tell him that when I crossed into Jordan at the King Hussein (formerly Allenby) Bridge, I noticed that a large photograph of Rabin lighting a cigarette for his late father the king was visible from every corner of the station.

"That was an iconic period of our history," he comments. "There was so much promise then of achieving the peace that all of us need. I remember my father watching the news when prime minister Rabin was assassinated, and how disturbed he was about losing a partner for much bigger things than just friendship between Jordan and Israel, for achieving comprehensive peace for all of us. It takes two hands to clap. The peace we have today with Israel is not as warm a peace as some people believe."

For those who wonder why Amman becomes so upset about what happens in Jerusalem, the king explains: "Jerusalem has tremendous significance for all three monotheistic religions, and has the ability to unite all of us. We are seeing problems in Jerusalem that will directly destabilize not only the relationship with Jordan - which has a special concern and role in Jerusalem that is recognized in the peace treaty - but will also create a tinderbox that will be a major flashpoint throughout the Islamic world. I told Prime Minister Netanyahu, as well as his predecessors, that they have to understand that unilateral actions in Jerusalem are going to jeopardize all these efforts."

The king says he raised the Jerusalem issue with the American administration and asked them to intercede with Israel.

Netanyahu maintains that Jerusalem - both its eastern and western sections - is an integral part of Israel.

King Abdullah: "There is West Jerusalem, and there is East Jerusalem, which is part of the occupied Palestinian territories. Israel should stop all unilateral actions that threaten the holy sites and the identity of the holy city. Jerusalem is a city that unites Muslims, Christians and Jews in equality."

Would you support the reestablishment of a physical wall in Jerusalem as part of the final-status agreement?

"I don't believe in dividing cities within walls. We don't want to see walls anywhere. Walls eventually do come down. Putting up walls has never helped societies."

According to the last election, the majority of Israelis want a right-wing government that will not relinquish territories, least of all in East Jerusalem.

"There is a difference between voting for short-term security as opposed to peace, which is long-term security. I keep saying, and people may not like it on the Israeli side: Is Israel going to be 'fortress Israel,' or is it going to be part of the neighborhood? Because if there is no two-state solution, what future do we all have together?

"I've asked many Israelis: Show me the future of Israel 10 years from now. Where do you want Israel to be vis-a-vis its relationship with Jordan and other Arab countries? I understand that you tend to live in the here and now. You are worried about the next threat. It is difficult for an Israeli to look into the future because of the security aspect. But if there is peace and stability, then people can look into the future. Well, the one-state solution - using your words and not mine - I think most people would feel that a two-state solution is the better of the two. But there is no third alternative."

The notion that the trilateral summit in New York, on September 22, was a triumph for Netanyahu, who succeeded in repelling the U.S. demand for a settlement freeze, apparently irks the king. "It's a victory for what? As for settlements, they are not just illegal and an obstacle to peace [and] - if we all believe that the end game must be the establishment of a Palestinian state - then where is the sense in continuing to build settlements on the land of that state, and risk losing the opportunity to end the conflict?"

The Israelis have become used to the status quo.

"If we keep the status quo, as you say, then we have a cold peace. I don't think that is what Israelis want; I don't think that is what Jordanians want and I don't think that is what the region needs."

How do you see the developments in the weeks ahead in the wake of the summit?

"We must tackle the issue head-on, within a clear action plan. That means engagement in serious negotiations that tackle all-final status issues - borders, refugees, settlements, Jerusalem - and build on the results of previous negotiations, within the framework of the already agreed terms of reference. We do not have time to engage in yet another open-ended process that does not achieve results. There is an opportunity to move forward and I believe that the commitment of President Obama to peace offers all parties a unique opportunity that we all must seize, to achieve peace that will ensure security and stability to all of us.

"The challenge is to stop looking at short-term solutions that will only get us into more problems. I think there is much more anger on all sides. Do we want to see this anger trigger more war and more conflict, or do we want to reach peace? The world is changing. In the European Union, as well as the new American administration, there is more courage to stick their necks out to bring Israelis and Palestinians together. But time has always been overriding."

We saw what happened after Israel withdrew from Gaza. Who will guarantee that if we withdraw from the West Bank we will not end up with "Hamastan" across the way from Kfar Sava?

"The disengagement from Gaza was a unilateral decision that was implemented with a lack of coordination. When it happened, I remember being very angry because it looked almost as if it was meant to create a problem. And then Gaza was isolated. So of course it is going to start to bubble over. Now if what happened in Gaza is to happen in the West Bank, it will only happen if again you create a virtual prison. But if you move to peace and prosperity, you are not going to have that problem.

"We are all human beings. We want what is good for our children. We want to have better education for our families, we want health care, we want to have a good life."

Many Israelis are disappointed that President Obama has not succeeded in furthering normalization between Israel and additional Arab states.

"Remember that we were expecting the Israelis and the Palestinians to be sitting together back in June and July for serious and effective negotiations. But that did not happen. A lot of Arab countries believe that Israel does not want peace. There may be a lot of Israelis who say Arabs don't want peace. The Arab Peace Initiative offers an unprecedented opportunity to resolve the conflict. The initiative is not just about the two-state solution. It is about a 57-state solution - 57 nations, a third of the world, that still does not have a relationship with Israel, will have normal relations with Israel within the context of a comprehensive peace."

The Egyptian foreign minister this week reported to you on progress in the talks to achieve a reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah. Are you optimistic?

"You can move Hamas and Fatah together, but you cannot isolate this from what goes on in the bigger picture. As we move, God willing, to the peace table, it is far easier to have reconciliation because, at the end of the day, Hamas or Fatah ... get their power from the people. And if the people feel that there is going to be an ability to achieve the two-state solution, then there will be much more pressure internally for these groups to sort out their differences."

Jordan is embarking on a project to develop nuclear capability. What kind of nuclear regime do you envisage in the region?

"What Jordan is going to do through its peaceful nuclear energy program is show the region how a country that wants to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes [can] do it right. The reactors we are looking at are Generation III-plus, which is by far the safest and most capable technology. It is safe from earthquakes, natural disasters, terrorist attacks. The technology we are looking at is one, if not two, generations ahead of what you have. We will, and we all should, be transparent when it comes to nuclear energy."

Are you referring to Israel as well?

"Everybody. The problem that we have when it comes to the nuclear issue is that there is no transparency. It's sort of a dark subject. And that applies to Israel as it applies to other countries. I think we are trying to be the model of how to do the process correctly."

In less than two weeks we will celebrate the 15th anniversary of the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. How do you see the future of the relations between us?

"Not as happy as it was when the peace treaty was signed. I remember that in his first meetings with me, prime minister [Ehud] Barak was talking about getting 30,000 highly educated Jordanians to go work in the high-tech sector because we were talking about projects on either side; we were talking about our economies moving forward. Today for a Jordanian to go into Israel is almost impossible. We have only about 150,000 Israelis who come and visit us a year, and most of these are Israeli Arabs. Trade is almost nonexistent, if you take the QIZ (Qualified industrial Zone) out of the picture. Let's remember that the peace treaty was signed as part of a process to achieve comprehensive peace. And the full potential of not just Jordanian-Israeli relations, but the whole region, will not be realized unless comprehensive peace is achieved.

"The 15th anniversary is a reminder that when there is commitment to respecting the rights of the other, when there is leadership with the courage to make difficult decisions in the interest of the people, peace can be achieved. But it is also a reminder of the missed opportunities in the absence of regional peace."
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