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Prime Minister Ehud Olmert with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Jerusalem last year. (GPO)
Last update - 00:00 12/08/2008
PA rejects Olmert's offer to withdraw from 93% of West Bank
By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent, and Reuters
Tags: Abbas, Israel, Palestinians 

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday rejected an Israeli peace proposal, which included withdrawal from 93 percent of the West Bank, because it does not provide for a contiguous Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital.

Nabil Abu Rdainah, Abbas's spokesman, told the official Palestinian news agency WAFA that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's plan showed a "lack of seriousness."

Under the proposal, Israel would return to the Palestinians 93 percent of the West Bank, plus all of the Gaza Strip, when the Palestinian Authority regains control over the Gaza Strip, which the militant group Hamas seized from forces loyal to Abbas in June 2006.
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Olmert presented Abbas with the proposal as part of an agreement in principle on borders, refugees and security arrangements between Israel and a future Palestinian state.

In exchange for West Bank land that Israel would keep, Olmert proposed a 5.5 percent land swap giving the Palestinians a desert territory adjacent to the Gaza Strip.

Olmert's proposal first emerged several months ago and was published in detail on Tuesday by Haaretz, prompting Abu Rdainah's response.

"The Israeli proposal is not acceptable," Abbas's spokesman said. "The Palestinian side will only accept a Palestinian state with territorial continuity, with holy Jerusalem as its capital, without settlements, and on the June 4, 1967 boundaries."

He called the Israeli proposal a "waste of time."

Olmert spokesman Mark Regev said the Olmert was serious about continuing the peace talks.

But another Israeli official said Olmert was merely trying to establish his legacy. "There is going to be no agreement, period," he said on condition of anonymity.

Olmert, who met with Abbas this week, feels there is time to reach an agreement during his remaining time in office. Two weeks ago, Olmert announced that he would not participate in the upcoming primary election within his Kadima Party and that he would step down from his post when his successor is named.

The centerpiece of Olmert's detailed proposal is the suggested permanent border, which would be based on an Israeli withdrawal from most of the West Bank. In return for the land retained by Israel in the West Bank, the Palestinians would receive alternative land in the Negev, adjacent to the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians would also enjoy free passage between Gaza and the West Bank without any security checks, the proposal says.

A senior Israeli official said the Palestinians were given preliminary maps of the proposed borders.

Under Olmert's offer, Israel would keep 7 percent of the West Bank, while the Palestinians would receive territory equivalent to 5.5 percent of West Bank. Israel views the passage between Gaza and the West Bank as compensating for this difference: Though it would officially remain in Israeli hands, it would connect the two halves of the Palestinian state - a connection the Palestinians did not enjoy before 1967, when the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian control and the West Bank was part of Jordan.

The land to be annexed to Israel would include the large settlement blocs, and the border would be similar to the present route of the separation fence. Israel would keep Ma'aleh Adumim, Gush Etzion, the settlements surrounding Jerusalem and some land in the northern West Bank adjacent to Israel.

Since Olmert and Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently approved more construction in both Efrat and Ariel, two settlements relatively far from the 1949 armistice lines, it is reasonable to assume that Olmert wants to include these settlements in the territory annexed to Israel as well.

Olmert's proposal states that once a border is agreed upon, Israel would be able to build freely in the settlement blocs to be annexed.

The settlements outside the new border would be evacuated in two stages. First, after the agreement in principle is signed, the cabinet would initiate legislation to compensate settlers who voluntarily relocate within Israel or to settlement blocs slated to be annexed. Over the past few months, Olmert has approved construction of thousands of housing units in these settlement blocs, mostly around Jerusalem, and some are intended for the voluntary evacuees.

In the second stage, once the Palestinians complete a series of internal reforms and are capable of carrying out the entire agreement, Israel would remove any settlers remaining east of the new border.

Olmert will to try to sell the deal to the Israeli public based on a staged program of implementation. The present negotiations, which started with the Annapolis Summit in November 2007, are intended to reach a "shelf agreement" that would lay the foundations of a Palestinian state. However, implementation of the shelf agreement would be postponed until the Palestinian Authority is capable of carrying out its part of the deal.

Olmert's proposal for a land swap introduces a new stage in the arrangement: Israel would immediately receive the settlement blocs, but the land to be transferred to the Palestinians and the free passage between Gaza and the West Bank would only be delivered after the PA retakes control of the Gaza Strip. In this way, Olmert could tell the Israeli public that Israel is receiving 7 percent of the West Bank and an agreed-upon border, while the Israeli concessions will be postponed until Hamas rule in Gaza has ended.

Abbas, for his part, could tell his people that he has succeeded in obtaining 98 percent of the West Bank from Israel, along with a promise to remove all settlers over the border.

The Palestinians' proposal had talked about a much smaller land swap, of about 2 percent of the West Bank.

Compared to previous Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, the Olmert proposal falls between the one then prime minister Barak presented to Yasser Arafat at Camp David in July 2000 and the one he offered at Taba in January 2001. The Palestinian proposal is similar to the ones offered during the Arafat years, which would have allowed Israel to annex only a few settlements, along with their access roads - a proposal nicknamed "balloons and strings." All these Palestinian proposals ruled out allowing Israel to retain the settlement blocs.

Since then, however, the separation fence has been built in the West Bank, and a new physical reality has been created in the areas where the fence has been completed.

Israel also presented the Palestinians with a detailed model of new security arrangements under the proposed agreement. The security proposal was drawn up by a team headed by Maj. Gen. Ido Nehoshtan, now commander of the Israel Air Force, but previously head of the army's Plans and Policy Directorate. The proposal has also been passed on to the Americans, in an effort to obtain their support for Israel's position during the negotiations.

The security proposal includes a demand that the Palestinian state be demilitarized and without an army. The Palestinians, in contrast, are demanding that their security forces be capable of defending against "outside threats," an Israeli official said.

On the refugee issue, Olmert's proposal rejects a Palestinian "right of return" and states that the refugees may only return to the Palestinian state, other than exceptional cases in which refugees would be allowed into Israel for family reunification. Nevertheless, the proposal includes a detailed and complex formula for solving the refugee problem.

Olmert has agreed with Abbas that the negotiations over Jerusalem will be postponed. In doing so, he gave in to the Shas Party's threats that it would leave the coalition if Jerusalem were put on the negotiating table.

Olmert views reaching an agreement with the Palestinians as extremely important. Such an agreement would entrench the two-state solution in the international community's consciousness, along with a detailed framework for achieving this solution. In Olmert's opinion, this is the only way Israel can rebuff challenges to its legitimacy and avoid calls for a "one-state solution." Such an agreement would show that Israel is not interested in controlling the territories, or the Palestinians, over the long run, but only until conditions arise that enable the establishment of a Palestinian state. This position has received strong support from the present U.S. administration.

Next week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will visit the region to continue her efforts to advance the negotiations. However, Olmert opposes her proposal to publish a joint U.S.-Palestinian-Israeli announcement detailing progress in the negotiations since Annapolis. Olmert objects to publishing partial positions; he only wants to announce a complete agreement - if one can be reached.

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      1.   Olmert give Abbas Plan. 05:34  |  Roc 12/08/08
      2.   This is why AG Mazuz needs to indict now 05:40  |  Rabbi Yakov Lazaros 12/08/08
      3.   Is this a joke? 05:43  |  Ismail 12/08/08
      4.   It still creates Bantustans 05:49  |  ELIAS KHOURY 12/08/08
      5.   Sorry only 100% of equal land 05:56  |  MOE 12/08/08
      6.   as good as this sounds, it will be difficult to implement 05:56  |  Igor D. 12/08/08
      7.   Jihad Step by Step with Kadima and Peres Collaboration 06:25  |  Joseph.E 12/08/08
      8.   Olmert must know he`s spinning his wheels. 06:32  |  Sarah 12/08/08
      9.   futile 06:34  |  rm 12/08/08
      10.   At first outlook, seems like a positive development... 06:43  |  Smadar 12/08/08
      11.   PEACE IN OUR TIME 06:50  |  Steve 12/08/08
      12.   Palestinian counter-offer is 1967 borders and right of return 06:54  |  Sam 12/08/08
      13.   Olmert gives and gives---- 07:07  |  Dudka 12/08/08
      14.   stop wasting time and energy 07:09  |  vik 12/08/08
      15.   Olmert Is About To Do Alot Of Damage To Israel 07:11  |  Shepherd 12/08/08
      16.   4/5 Elias, Moe - Wait for Map 07:30  |  Mark of Lewiston 12/08/08
      17.   The merit of this `proposal for a final status`.. 07:33  |  Akram Zekaria 12/08/08
      18.   Don`t wait too hard for Abbas`s counter plan 07:35  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/08/08
      19.   Since nearly all the poster so far don`t like it ... 07:39  |  Morris Valentine 12/08/08
      20.   Realistically, even under the best of circumstances a ? 07:47  |  Nadav 12/08/08
      21.   Palestinians who have legitimate claim,,,,, 07:54  |  Dolly 12/08/08
      22.   NO MANDATE OLMERT 08:01  |  ken 12/08/08
      23.   "Is this a joke?" asks Ismail. No, Ismail, this is not a joke ... 08:10  |  Nadav 12/08/08
      24.   Any Decision by Olmert today needs a REFERENDUM. 08:11  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      25.   Rabin entrenched the idea .. 08:11  |  redmike 12/08/08
      26.   The fiddling goes on while nothing-is-done.... 08:13  |  Esther 12/08/08
      27.   Olmert gives Abbas plan for Israeli pullout from 93% of W.B. 08:17  |  martin list, m.d. 12/08/08
      28.   Why? 08:25  |  John 12/08/08
      29.   It`s nowhere near 93% of the West Bank 08:26  |  JJ Burke 12/08/08
      30.   Drowning man taking ship with him 08:30  |  Ilan 12/08/08
      31.   To Sam # 12 - Code for the Destruction of Israel. 08:33  |  Natasha 12/08/08
      32.   Negative Response - Too Bad 08:33  |  Reid 12/08/08
      33.   Margie in Tel-Aviv claims, rightly, that ? 08:39  |  Nadav 12/08/08
      34.   I simply can`t believe there is a better option than the Jordan 08:47  |  Nahum 12/08/08
      35.   #26 - would you connect Gaza and the WB now ? 08:49  |  redmike 12/08/08
      36.   # 21 - Calling the Palestinians a `people` is like calling the 08:57  |  redmike 12/08/08
      37.   Is not enough 08:58  |  ahmed 12/08/08
      38.   Olmert Has No Authority To Hand Over Jewish Land 09:01  |  Baruch Gold 12/08/08
      39.   To JJ Burke # 29 - Maybe the Russian Army..... 09:12  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      40.   Criminal insanity 09:18  |  Moshe 12/08/08
      41.   # 38 Baruch "WELCOME TO PALESTINE" 09:21  |  avi 12/08/08
      42.   Event his shite "deal" is rejected by hardline Zionists #3B 09:22  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      43.   So much for the Landgrab Fence being a temporary arrangement 09:27  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      44.   The only lasting solution 09:29  |  Bashaar saleem 12/08/08
      45.   This is nothing more than ridiculous, pointless political theatre 09:30  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      46.   Glad to see Hamas is re-arming 09:47  |  Joe 12/08/08
      47.   Journalist`s sources 09:49  |  Orly 12/08/08
      48.   Elias, I don`t understand how it`s not continuous 09:51  |  Michael 12/08/08
      49.   Olmert gives 10:01  |  Ralph 12/08/08
      50.   Just Return The Stolen Part 10:35  |  Gray 12/08/08
      51.   to Michael - Elias is right its not contiguous 10:45  |  SD 12/08/08
      52.   LAST MINUTES ATTEMPT TO SECURE HIS LEGACY 10:55  |  indrajaya 12/08/08
      53.   JOE Hamas ceasefire has been a sham from mthe start 11:07  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      54.   Nadav 20, you`re right - but the answer is one state 11:07  |  Spider 12/08/08
      55.   ahmed wants 97% of Israel 11:36  |  good luck 12/08/08
      56.   KHOURY 2nd try How does contiguous land create Bantusans?? 11:36  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      57.   Bashar Saleem`s proposals 11:46  |  x-ray 12/08/08
      58.   GRAY firstly Abbas was elected by a landslide unlike Hamas 11:47  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      59.   Gray 11:48  |  x-ray 12/08/08
      60.   Ismail if you sign that you will become compassionate 11:49  |  x-ray 12/08/08
      61.   Water and the Jordan Valley 11:55  |  A Bethlehemite 12/08/08
      62.   Bantustans? The difference is... 12:06  |  Robert 12/08/08
      63.   Accept Occupation, it`s a good deal! 12:09  |  Samy 12/08/08
      64.   stillborn.... israeli "cleverness" on show 12:15  |  ravi 12/08/08
      65.   The Royal We 12:17  |  sharon 12/08/08
      66.   You, at least, can comment on water, Bethlehemite # 61 12:34  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      67.   I suggest that you look at a map SD 12:39  |  Michael 12/08/08
      68.   Nothing new under the sun 13:17  |  Hilda 12/08/08
      69.   Jerusalem is up for discussion. I wouldn`t even discuss 1% 13:18  |  Ben 12/08/08
      70.   RAVI.PAL cleverness in trying to steal it all instead of peace 13:26  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      71.   If those 7% who stay would ... 13:26  |  Edith 12/08/08
      72.   No-quack sitting duck 13:35  |  Nora 12/08/08
      73.   Esther #26 How right you are! Except I told you so before... 13:41  |  S 12/08/08
      74.   Withdraw from ALL occupied territory! 13:46  |  lakshmi 12/08/08
      75.   Headline: 13:51  |  Joseph.E 12/08/08
      76.   Morris Valentine how inordinately generous of you 13:56  |  Labhras 12/08/08
      77.   Ok lets take a decision. 13:57  |  cfs 12/08/08
      78.   PEACE 13:58  |  PEACE 12/08/08
      79.   Michael read my post (or Haaretz) 13:58  |  SD 12/08/08
      80.   Hopeless dream & cheap labour.. 14:04  |  Akram Zekaria 12/08/08
      81.   #16 Hear, hear 14:10  |  Michael II 12/08/08
      82.   not good enough, WB Gaza passage is too short 14:10  |  Tamir Palestine 12/08/08
      83.   #18 Margie in TA 14:24  |  Boycott 12/08/08
      84.   "56 Petersm offering land in Melbourne for the Outback 14:33  |  Labhras 12/08/08
      85.   its a start 14:37  |  bekrul 12/08/08
      86.   #44 Point well made, Bashar. National unity far more important. 14:44  |  Ben Alofs 12/08/08
      87.   Jerusalem 14:45  |  M 12/08/08
      88.   Mark of Lewiston, when will the maps be deployed? 14:47  |  Ibrahim 12/08/08
      89.   #16 Mark of Lewiston there will not be a map 14:48  |  Labhras 12/08/08
      90.   THERE WILL NEVER BE A NON JEWISH JERUSALEM. 14:50  |  Petra 12/08/08
      91.   bekrul 15:02  |  JJ burke 12/08/08
      92.   For Peter SM on bantustans # 56 15:10  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      93.   Well--let`s hope something can come of this! 15:11  |  Ivar 12/08/08
      94.   LAKSHMI Who are you to demand? In answer anyway 15:20  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      95.   yes. a two country state 15:23  |  Jackie 12/08/08
      96.   A Big Lie 15:30  |  Edmond Rosenfeld 12/08/08
      97.   "It`s a start" 15:32  |  Sam 12/08/08
      98.   lakshmi # 72 The Ifs And Buts 15:35  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      99.   FIRST PULLOUT PLAN - OLMERT OUT 15:38  |  Barry S Roffman 12/08/08
      100.   Boycott.Hamas denying Israels right to exist Is the issue 15:51  |  PETER SM 12/08/08
      101.   Hope this will fail 15:51  |  Brod 12/08/08
      102.   What, precisely is "Jewish" Land? 16:00  |  John Mackie 12/08/08
      103.   For Peter SM #94 16:03  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      104.   Bantustans warmed up 16:06  |  truth 12/08/08
      105.   As phony an `offer` as can be expected 16:20  |  Michael N 12/08/08
      106.   Olmert needs to tell Nabil Abu Rdainah 16:26  |  Dish It Out 12/08/08
      107.   The Jordanian Option 16:37  |  Tosefta 12/08/08
      108.   Of course, this is the starting point for the next negotiations! 16:47  |  Shlomo 12/08/08
      109.   SIMPLE AND FAIR SOLUTION 17:03  |  X-MILITARY 12/08/08
      110.   DishItOut - another ignoramus... 17:03  |  Ibrahim 12/08/08
      111.   #102 John Mackie - This is Jewish land: 17:04  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      112.   Waste of Time is Correct 17:05  |  Straight Talk 12/08/08
      113.   Lakshimi, Bashar 17:05  |  George 12/08/08
      114.   No, no, a thousand times no 17:08  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      115.   Olmert`s "Complete Agreement" 17:09  |  Yaakov Sullivan 12/08/08
      116.   Surprising progress by Olmert 17:11  |  Tosefta 12/08/08
      117.   What Israel Is Doing 17:14  |  Yaakov Sullivan 12/08/08
      118.   # 104 displaced "truth" 17:15  |  17 12/08/08
      119.   #107 Tosefta (if it is really you) 17:15  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      120.   Olmert preparing for next career in stand-up comedy! 17:17  |  Toronto`s Finest 12/08/08
      121.   # 107 tosefta 17:19  |  Axel 12/08/08
      122.   #114Tosefta - There isn`t much difference 17:23  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      123.   # 88 Ibrahim 17:24  |  Axel 12/08/08
      124.   Ibrahim 17:29  |  Jane 12/08/08
      125.   Polls suggest required involvement of U.S. & EU.... 17:29  |  Smadar 12/08/08
      126.   Labhras,greetings! Re: MV,he is something of a lost cause,lives 17:38  |  lakshmi 12/08/08
      127.   Clickfool # 92 What "Military Zones Of Control"? 17:43  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      128.   This is a generous and unselfish offer considering the truth 17:43  |  AliciaYasmeen 12/08/08
      129.   Contiguous State??? 17:49  |  John Saul 12/08/08
      130.   Yonatan on acceptance (#119, 122) 17:49  |  Tosefta 12/08/08
      131.   Tosefta - The Jordanian option will not happen as an alternative 17:55  |  Diane 12/08/08
      132.   Hello Bethlehemite...! 17:59  |  Palestinian Brit 12/08/08
      133.   Axel #121 18:01  |  Tosefta 12/08/08
      134.   Ibrahim 18:05  |  Jane 12/08/08
      135.   It`s not the 93 per cent that matters... 18:05  |  Diane 12/08/08
      136.   Alicia Yasmeen....Most of the Pals I know 18:07  |  Lynn 12/08/08
      137.   #128 Alicia, please be realistic 18:08  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      138.   Clickfool (#103) For Clickfool and all the rest of them out there 18:08  |  Gil 12/08/08
      139.   93%? Legally they are entitled to 0%! 18:10  |  Nechama 12/08/08
      140.   Clickfool (#103) For Clickfool and all the rest of them out there 18:10  |  Gil 12/08/08
      141.   Tosefta, another problem with the "Jordanian Option" 18:14  |  Yonatan 12/08/08
      142.   Let`s admit, Israel was lying about purpose of wall 18:16  |  Ronen 12/08/08
      143.   ISRAELI PUBLIC REJECT ALSO!!!!!! 18:19  |  Ben Uziel 12/08/08
      144.   We Arabs are speaking in one voice,"Saudi Peace Plan" 18:23  |  Ali Husseini 12/08/08
      145.   Olmert offering a Palestinian Ghetto state 18:23  |  Ghandi 12/08/08
      146.   water in Bethlehem 18:29  |  SD 12/08/08
      147.   Bantustans not a solution 18:30  |  Wall must fall 12/08/08
      148.   #139 Yonatan....if all the billions given to Pals 18:30  |  Lynn 12/08/08
      149.   Israeli Offer. 18:30  |  Avi Yerushalmi 12/08/08
      150.   Yonatan your question to Tosefta 18:33  |  Jasmine Murphy 12/08/08
      151.   ahh..the Barrier 18:33  |  D. 12/08/08
      152.   5.5 percent in exchange is a deception 18:35  |  Fair Play 12/08/08
      153.   # 133 tosefta 18:38  |  Axel 12/08/08
      154.   Gil 138: No way, Clickfool is refractive to truth 18:43  |  Nora 12/08/08
      155.   Arab compromise 18:45  |  peter 12/08/08
      156.   Olmert is offering the same old non-peace plan that the PA saw 18:52  |  Diane 12/08/08
      157.   # 128 alicia 18:53  |  Axel 12/08/08
      158.   Arab pullout 18:56  |  Michael Hessler 12/08/08
      159.   The only solutions 18:59  |  Janice 12/08/08
      160.   Every hill in Samaria and every valley in Judea is part of our... 19:03  |  Jean Van Daem 12/08/08
      161.   ##131/135 Read Diane`s posts 19:03  |  Ben Alofs 12/08/08
      162.   Abbas correct requiring contiguous Palestine, Jerusalem capital 19:07  |  Ivar 12/08/08
      163.   Olmert Give Abbas 19:09  |  A.Abraham 12/08/08
      164.   #139 Yonatan read the 1994 I/J agreement 19:09  |  Labhras 12/08/08
      165.   Tosefta....yes it is a real vision 19:11  |  Lynn 12/08/08
      166.   Ali Husseini 141 19:12  |  alan 12/08/08
      167.   You decided Ali 19:13  |  Michael 12/08/08
      168.   Janice that is silly 19:16  |  Dave Duncan 12/08/08
      169.   The most insulting aspect of this "offer", by a long way 19:20  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      170.   Pres. Abbas is right to reject PM Olmert `s proposal 19:23  |  Antonio Garcia 12/08/08
      171.   146: Ivar has it backwards 19:24  |  David Teich 12/08/08
      172.   Gil from Hiafa on the "so called" Palestinians 19:25  |  Yaakov Sullivan 12/08/08
      173.   #144. Jean V D. Thanks to the good hospices of the UN. 19:28  |  Dickky 12/08/08
      174.   "Return" to the Palestinians"...???? 19:28  |  Jordan 12/08/08
      175.   how can Olmert offer Abbas anything?? Let alone Israeli land.... 19:30  |  Jordan 12/08/08
      176.   139: Not just from the WB, Yonatan 19:30  |  David Teich 12/08/08
      177.   Just as the "palestinians" voted in Hamas... 19:32  |  Sam 12/08/08
      178.   Withdrawal from Judea/Samaria 19:36  |  Alison Rubin 12/08/08
      179.   Why does Jordan not allow mass immigration of Palestinians 19:37  |  Palestinian Brit 12/08/08
      180.   93% 19:38  |  Hermann Kuntz 12/08/08
      181.   Ali Husseini-You will have to negotiate or fight for it 19:40  |  Sam 12/08/08
      182.   Saudi Plan CRAP 19:43  |  Brod 12/08/08
      183.   To Gray #50, learn some history... 19:45  |  Jordan 12/08/08
      184.   PALESTINIANS - The Legacy of Arafat......Part 1. 19:46  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      185.   PA rejects Olmert`s offer 19:48  |  Ralph 12/08/08
      186.   500k land-robbers in the westbank! 19:48  |  bashar 12/08/08
      187.   No palestinian state in our time 19:50  |  Voice of Reason 12/08/08
      188.   RE: Palestine doesn`t exist 19:52  |  Oli 12/08/08
      189.   #148. Totally agree with you. 19:52  |  Oksana 12/08/08
      190.   the realsolution: one state for all! 19:53  |  bashar 12/08/08
      191.   the best and most fertile land 19:56  |  peter 12/08/08
      192.   #154. Jordan.Remember partitioned of Palestine 19:57  |  White feather 12/08/08
      193.   #155 David Teich....Pals from Iraq have returned 19:59  |  Lynn 12/08/08
      194.   98 Howdy Jeff N. I have already replied to the points you raise, 20:01  |  lakshmi 12/08/08
      195.   For Margie in Tel Aviv # 18 20:03  |  Fortuna Benmayor 12/08/08
      196.   There`s a contradiction in Palestinian terms 20:04  |  Awake 12/08/08
      197.   To Oli and others-Face the truth 20:11  |  Jordan 12/08/08
      198.   Ali Husseini # 141 The Green Line Was Never A Border (part 1) 20:12  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      199.   Pal Demands are a Non-Starter, Simple as That 20:15  |  JP 12/08/08
      200.   Deja Vu-Progress 20:15  |  Ami 12/08/08
      201.   Oli plays simpleton 20:19  |  peter 12/08/08
      202.   PALESTINIANS - The Legacy of Arafat [Part 2] 20:22  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      203.   Give them Sh.t 20:23  |  Donald A. Rosenberg 12/08/08
      204.   DON`T LET THE GAZA MASSACRE HAPPEN AGAIN! 20:23  |  PalestniansAreA Myth 12/08/08
      205.   land swap 20:31  |  Eli 12/08/08
      206.   Abbas the Idiot 20:31  |  MP 12/08/08
      207.   PA Rejects Olmert`s offer 20:36  |  Dan Birenbaum 12/08/08
      208.   88/89 Ibrahim, Labhras - Clarification 20:37  |  Mark of Lewiston 12/08/08
      209.   @62, robert, still better all arabs from WB to move to gaza 20:38  |  v 12/08/08
      210.   Oli (#164) Wow REALLY 20:38  |  Gil 12/08/08
      211.   Usual Clickfool nonsense about "stolen/fertile/valuable water", 20:42  |  Dr. L. Brnd 12/08/08
      212.   WE will not accept 18% 20:47  |  Raed Kami 12/08/08
      213.   Ali Husseini # 141 The Green Line Was Never A Border (part 2) 20:48  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      214.   To Oli - # 165 - A fair offer...... 20:48  |  Dolly 12/08/08
      215.   For Alison Rubin 20:50  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      216.   169 Jeff 20:52  |  Oli 12/08/08
      217.   The 93 percent con job 20:52  |  Harold 12/08/08
      218.   Better than Shooting But... 20:56  |  Gray 12/08/08
      219.   Judenfrei West Bank, how reasonable! 20:57  |  David 12/08/08
      220.   182 Clicky, I have to agree with Allison that they want ALL 21:00  |  The Equalizer 12/08/08
      221.   stable solutions 21:03  |  v 12/08/08
      222.   Two seps forward, one step back 21:04  |  Jim 12/08/08
      223.   # 171 jeff 21:05  |  Axel 12/08/08
      224.   Exercise in Futility - As long as Arabs of Palestina 21:05  |  17 12/08/08
      225.   #178 Gil 21:06  |  Oli 12/08/08
      226.   I prefer land over peace 21:07  |  American Jew 12/08/08
      227.   Surprise! Palestinians reject Palestinian state 21:08  |  Realist 12/08/08
      228.   gray,when will you give your stolen part back to the native 21:08  |  injun joe 12/08/08
      229.   Olmert`s offer 21:08  |  Tomas 12/08/08
      230.   Another big-mouthed Jew, brave with other people`s lives # 172 21:09  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      231.   Demanding 100% is not negotiating, it 21:10  |  Gili 12/08/08
      232.   Where to go when illusion is reality ?! 21:13  |  Akram Zekaria 12/08/08
      233.   A few reasons that its unacceptable 21:16  |  Scharker Yid 12/08/08
      234.   To Moderators - Please do not dismiss my Talkback 21:18  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      235.   Raed Kami; In a just world... 21:18  |  Gray 12/08/08
      236.   #6 Igor D 21:24  |  Jim 12/08/08
      237.   #6 Igor D 21:24  |  Jim 12/08/08
      238.   Ali Husseini # 141 The Green Line Was Never A Border (part 3) 21:26  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      239.   The Right to Exist 21:29  |  Mark of Lewiston 12/08/08
      240.   Israel is not interested in Peace with Palestinians 21:30  |  Ray Saniora 12/08/08
      241.   Cancel Palestine. Create Peace 21:33  |  David 12/08/08
      242.   To Raed Karni # 180 - Nothing was Stolen.... 21:37  |  Dagma 12/08/08
      243.   184 David of Hartford - It`s Israeli, not Jewish 21:38  |  Mark of Lewiston 12/08/08
      244.   Home sweet home 21:39  |  Dr Noam 12/08/08
      245.   PA rejects Olmert`s offer. 21:46  |  Sam Topen 12/08/08
      246.   Fortuna I wish I didn`t suspect 21:52  |  Margie 12/08/08
      247.   #9 rm 21:53  |  Jim 12/08/08
      248.   Margie # 18: Atually there is a counter proposal 21:59  |  Guido 12/08/08
      249.   Rejection of Peace Plan 22:00  |  Avi Yerushalmi 12/08/08
      250.   # 192 american jew 22:00  |  Axel 12/08/08
      251.   # 181 Raed Karmi - you are honest man. You`ll get nothing. 22:05  |  17 12/08/08
      252.   #13 Dudka 22:08  |  Jim 12/08/08
      253.   Clickfool has a point but .... 22:12  |  Scharker Yid 12/08/08
      254.   Jew-HATERS DECEIVE for Expansionist Islam. Already ARAB Pal State 22:13  |  Linda Rivera 12/08/08
      255.   Jew-HATERS WICKEDLY Ignore Justice for One Million JEWISH REFUGEE 22:14  |  Linda Rivera 12/08/08
      256.   #185 - not a judenfrei West Bank, but Israel-frei 22:14  |  Diane 12/08/08
      257.   Finish he Fence based on our security 22:16  |  Arie 12/08/08
      258.   # 193 realist 22:16  |  Axel 12/08/08
      259.   17 Raed Karmi has left already. He writes from the UK 22:18  |  Jasmine Murphy 12/08/08
      260.   17 Raed Karmi has left already. He writes from the UK 22:18  |  Jasmine Murphy 12/08/08
      261.   Creators of FarFur Still Pretending to Want Peace 22:20  |  GZLives 12/08/08
      262.   No need to `bring on the clowns` - We have Abbas and Co !! 22:26  |  redmike 12/08/08
      263.   #192 American Jew..You Prefer land over peace? Well.. 22:29  |  KATHY 12/08/08
      264.   Guido 22:29  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/08/08
      265.   Abbas`s proven 4 1st time he`s a man, good stance, keep it up! 22:34  |  Dalia 12/08/08
      266.   lakshmi # 169 I`ve Already Replied To Your Points Too 22:35  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      267.   Tell me more, "Linda Rivera" # 210 22:35  |  Clickfool 12/08/08
      268.   answer the question gray,when are you giving up the land your 22:37  |  injun joe 12/08/08
      269.   CLICKFOOL (#182) Insulting Scraps of the Negev Desert 22:37  |  Gil 12/08/08
      270.   Not realistic!!! Fatah will NEVER have Gaza again 22:37  |  Alain 12/08/08
      271.   # 207 avi 22:42  |  Axel 12/08/08
      272.   spider 22:43  |  Jasmine Murphy 12/08/08
      273.   Stop infantalizing the Palestinians! 22:44  |  Jordan 12/08/08
      274.   gives and gives 22:44  |  Anthony 12/08/08
      275.   Really, really pathetic. ClickFOOL and the other haters... 22:47  |  Dave from Chicago 12/08/08
      276.   Margie 223 22:48  |  Anthony 12/08/08
      277.   Ahmed 37 22:52  |  ChanahS 12/08/08
      278.   Gray - what stolen part? 22:53  |  ChanahS 12/08/08
      279.   Linda Rivera - Te Quiero 22:53  |  Tu Papi 12/08/08
      280.   198 22:53  |  Anthony 12/08/08
      281.   Dr Noam - Comprising 22:55  |  El Toro 12/08/08
      282.   #243 Clicky and his Whining lies 22:56  |  Big Sur 12/08/08
      283.   Spider - there is no rationale behind 22:56  |  ChanahD 12/08/08
      284.   Throw theories out the window 23:02  |  Proud Israeli 12/08/08
      285.   For Anthony another lie told another reason for truth 23:02  |  Big Sur 12/08/08
      286.   nice deal 23:02  |  Tim 12/08/08
      287.   There has to be a Solution....somehow.... 23:02  |  Philippe 12/08/08
      288.   Confirming Evidence Of "Stolen " Palestine 23:03  |  Gray 12/08/08
      289.   Labarse - prohibits the transfer of people in either 23:03  |  ChanahS 12/08/08
      290.   Anthony 23:07  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 12/08/08
      291.   #254 Linda Rivera I will try to get thru again cliky is wrong 23:09  |  Big Sur 12/08/08
      292.   Oli (#192) So there were Arabs living west of the Jordan 23:11  |  Gil 12/08/08
      293.   #208 gREY , EVFER READ ELDERS OF ZION? 23:15  |  BIG SUR 12/08/08
      294.   Wbenkers and Gazans want land not peace 23:19  |  17 12/08/08
      295.   Don`t expect a direct answer Injun Joe 23:20  |  Michael 12/08/08
      296.   El Toro, 281, so everyone must share in a compromise?? 23:21  |  The Equalizer 12/08/08
      297.   144 Ali Husseini,212 Raed Kami,and Howdy Jeff Northridge 23:23  |  lakshmi 12/08/08
      298.   Grays Convincing Evidence - #288 23:24  |  WYSIWYG 12/08/08
      299.   How long is not long (Yonatan #141) 23:27  |  Tosefta 12/08/08
      300.   From sound of Talkback, WWIII has now started 23:36  |  Ivar 12/08/08
      301.   #268 injun joe..That`s Telling Him! he Certainly Needs Telling 23:37  |  KATHY 12/08/08
      302.   It`s called immigration, Gray 23:42  |  Stephen in New York 12/08/08
      303.   Ref 297 and Lakshmi`s Lack of Knowledge 23:43  |  Big Sur 12/08/08
      304.   Axel 258 from Germany (where else?) 23:51  |  Realist 12/08/08
      305.   They will never be Happy. Waste of time talking 23:54  |  Liliane 12/08/08
      306.   LameDuck 23:55  |  Salty 12/08/08
      307.   Peter #201, Jordan #197 23:55  |  Oli 12/08/08
      308.   #44 A bi national State would last 24 hours 23:57  |  Semsem 12/08/08
      309.   #26 Esther 23:57  |  Jim 12/08/08
      310.   Axel # 223 Disprove What? 23:59  |  Jeff Northridge 12/08/08
      311.   #300 Who is Ivar?Is he for real? 00:02  |  xyznews 13/08/08
      312.   DANZIG A WARNING ! 00:03  |  THE TEACHER/INSTRUCT 13/08/08
      313.   # 298 WYSIWYG 00:05  |  Axel 13/08/08
      314.   Israeli do not understand 00:09  |  gus 13/08/08
      315.   #30 llan 00:11  |  Jim 13/08/08
      316.   Why not 100% with a long term leaseback 00:11  |  Rob Adler 13/08/08
      317.   Still No Honest Response To: 11% ???? 00:19  |  Gray 13/08/08
      318.   no problem. 75% and counting down. another lost pal generation 00:22  |  ralph 13/08/08
      319.   #289 00:24  |  RK 13/08/08
      320.   303 Big Sur,correction! Check my post above and the reference! 00:27  |  lakshmi 13/08/08
      321.   What a large number of sad responses from Jews here. 00:27  |  mike 13/08/08
      322.   #292 Gil 00:33  |  Oli 13/08/08
      323.   #298 WYSIWYG..INFORMATION ..PLEASE READ 00:34  |  K 13/08/08
      324.   #298 Gray - Delusional anti-semite - "stolen" 00:36  |  17 13/08/08
      325.   Ibrahim-#88-getting close to the Geneva Initiative 00:37  |  Daniel Leopold 13/08/08
      326.   #3 00:39  |  Sank 13/08/08
      327.   GRay - you take the cake 288 00:46  |  ChanahS 13/08/08
      328.   93% of West Bank ? 00:49  |  Nezam el Jenini 13/08/08
      329.   The Pals Are True To Form 00:54  |  US CITIZEN 13/08/08
      330.   It`s not going to work 00:58  |  kevin 13/08/08
      331.   #38 Baruch Gold 00:59  |  Jim 13/08/08
      332.   Abbas and pals must understand that land is not theirs 01:01  |  JP 13/08/08
      333.   Igor D. hamas to join abbas & to both live in peace in Gaza 01:01  |  A Jew from Egypt 13/08/08
      334.   Chanah, Gray is not interested in real history, just 01:19  |  jj 13/08/08
      335.   Stephen in NY "Immmagrants" or..... 01:20  |  Gray 13/08/08
      336.   The Olmert Plan, in a nutshell 01:28  |  Johnboy 13/08/08
      337.   Olmert Floated this as a TEST... 01:31  |  ali 13/08/08
      338.   PA rejects offer? Well, there´s always the Jordan option. 01:35  |  JP 13/08/08
      339.   Kami 01:37  |  Jane 13/08/08
      340.   # 100 Peter SM 01:37  |  Jim 13/08/08
      341.   #168 Dave Duncan 01:41  |  Janice 13/08/08
      342.   What`s the difference? 01:48  |  noor 13/08/08
      343.   clarity on UN 242 01:48  |  R`Fael Moshe 13/08/08
      344.   ALI HUSSEINI"We Arabs"?? not Palestinians? which one is it today? 02:00  |  PETER SM 13/08/08
      345.   Olmert has no right to negotiate anything on Israel`s behalf. 02:03  |  Chaim 13/08/08
      346.   Right of Return? 02:04  |  Manu 13/08/08
      347.   The Israeli mindset, in one short sentence 02:05  |  Johnboy 13/08/08
      348.   #238 Worth looking at Jeff`s "logic" here... 02:15  |  Johnboy