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Posted: November 18, 2007

KC Johnson

KC Johnson is a professor of history at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center. For the 2007-2008 academic year, he is Fulbright Distinguished Chair in the Humanities at Tel Aviv University. Educated at Harvard University, he has authored several books on Congress and U.S. foreign policy (More bio here).

An early critic of the prosecution's conduct in the Duke Lacrosse case, Johnson published a highly regarded blog on the issue, Durham Wonderland. He then co-wrote, with Stuart Taylor, the recently published Until Proven Innocent. The book argues that "law enforcement, a campaigning prosecutor, biased journalists, and left-leaning academics repeatedly refused to pursue the truth while scapegoats were made" of the falsely accused Duke students.

We will discuss issues related to academia, the U.S. and Israel. Readers can send questions to rosnersdomain@haaretz.co.il.

Dear Prof.,

The last question will be about Congress and foreign policy. You wrote a book about Congress' role in the cold war, I want to ask you about the role of congress in Iraq today, and maybe Iran tomorrow. How big a role will it play / should it play / in devising American policy in the middle east?

Best and happy thanksgiving,

Rosner


Broadly speaking, the Constitution gives three types of foreign policy powers to the Congress: the power to declare war; the Senate's power to approve treaties; and the appropriations power.

During the Cold War (1947-1989), the first two of these powers weakened. From the Korean War onwards, presidents argued that the commander-in-chief power gave them authority to send troops abroad without congressional approval. And executive agreements, unilaterally made by presidents, gradually replaced treaties.

So the power of the purse - spending bills - became the most significant way for Congress to influence foreign policy. Beginning in the 1960s, Congress started attaching policy riders first to foreign aid bills and then to defense spending measures. That's how Congress ultimately mandated the withdrawal from Cambodia in 1970; similar bills cut off funding for the U.S. covert operation in Angola (1975-1976) and restricted covert operations in Nicaragua in the 1980s.

So, it's not that surprising to see Congress, especially now that the Democrats have the majority, using defense spending bills to try to accelerate the withdrawal from Iraq.

That said, there are several practical obstacles to a congressionally mandated withdrawal.

First, the balance of power in the current Congress lies with moderate or conservative Democrats - people like Claire McCaskill (Missouri) in the Senate or Heath Shuler (North Carolina) in the House. They've made clear that they oppose immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Democrats seem likely to gain seats in the 2008 elections, but until then, the narrowness of the Democratic majority means that the party leadership needs the votes of people like McCaskill or Shuler to prevail.

Second, attaching policy riders to defense spending bills when troops are in the field exposes supporters to (unfair) charges that they're "playing politics" with the troops' well-being. And there's no guarantee of success even if such an amendment were passed, especially with a president like Bush, who has been very aggressive at bypassing congressional will.

Third, at least two of the leading Democratic candidates (Obama and Clinton) have implied they don't support an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. troops. It's unlikely that congressional Democrats will want to adopt legislation that would put them at odds with the party's presidential nominee.

As a result, while Congress has the tools to force a pullout?and precedent exists for such an action - it's doubtful we'll see any move in this direction, at least until after the 2008 elections.

Dear Prof.,

Moving on to a totally different topic, I want to ask you about a US President with which you've been dealing a lot: Lyndon Johnson.

Way back, in a dialogue I had with the Israeli Prof. Abraham Ben-Tzvi, he claimed that Johnson - rather than Clinton or Bush - was the president entitled to be labeled "the friendliest president" to Israel. Would you agree?

Best

Rosner


I'd agree with that assessment - in part because Johnson operated in a much different strategic, regional, and political environment than either Clinton or Bush.

In the 1950s, Dwight Eisenhower seemed to look upon Israel as (at best) an inconvenience in his efforts to construct an alliance of anti-communist Arab states. He consistently spurned Israeli requests for military assistance, was skimpy in the economic aid he provided, and resisted calls for a U.S. security guarantee of Israel's borders.

John Kennedy's administration authorized an important arms sale to Israel (of Hawk missiles, in 1962) - but Kennedy made clear that this was a one-time move. Nuclear non-proliferation was also a major issue of Kennedy's foreign policy, and U.S.-Israeli relations in the early 1960s were complicated by Prime Minister Ben Gurion's reluctance to allow U.S. inspectors into the Dimona facility.

The Dimona issue persisted throughout the 1960s, though LBJ didn't press the nonproliferation question to the extent that Kennedy had. And he proved much more sympathetic to Israel on the question of arms sales, even as his Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, urged a different course. In 1965, after West Germany backed out of a deal to supply Israel with tanks, the United States filled the order itself, selling 210 M-48 Patton tanks. The next year, Johnson authorized the sale to Israel of 48 A-4 planes - the first time the United States supplied Israel with combat aircraft. The move represented a clear statement of U.S. support for Israel's security.

Johnson also provided Israel with diplomatic backing in the aftermath of the 1967 war. The President resisted pressure from the Soviet Union for a UN resolution that would demand an Israeli withdrawal from all territory occupied in the conflict before the two sides addressed the political and diplomatic issues that had caused the war.

What explained Johnson's sympathy for Israel?

Geopolitics played some role: throughout the late 1960s, the United States was intent on bolstering King Hussein's beleaguered Jordanian regime, and Israel's willingness to accept U.S. arms sales to Jordan was a precondition to U.S. backing for the Eshkol government. Politics also was a contributing factor: during his time as Senate majority leader in the 1950s, Johnson had worked closely with American Jewish leaders in raising money for Democratic Senate candidates. As President, he respected the power of the Israel lobby and was loath to cross it.

But Johnson also seems, on a personal level, to have considered the U.S.-Israeli alliance morally important.

Johnson's decisions laid the foundation for the U.S.-Israeli alliance on which future Presidents, including Clinton and Bush, would build.

Dear Prof. Johnson,

A couple of years ago you wrote this:

Two factors more strictly related to the academic world join anti-Semitism in explaining the growth of anti-Israel attitudes on contemporary campuses. The first... is the increasing tendency of professors to use Israel (which is, after all, the most faithful American ally in the world) as a proxy for their criticizing U.S. foreign policy... The most significant such change centers on a movement that urges colleges and universities to redesign their courses to focus on teaching "democratic citizenship," a scheme... [that] has championed restructuring curricula to "provide students with the knowledge and commitments to be socially responsible citizens."

Is this trend still growing, or is it declining? And do you see any new factors playing a role?

Best,

Shmuel Rosner


I fear that both patterns are becoming more pronounced.

A good example of the conflation of academic anti-Bush and anti-Israel activism came just last week, at Columbia University. On 12 November, around 70 professors calling themselves "Columbia University Faculty Action Committee" issued a public letter accusing Columbia president Lee Bollinger of failing "to make a vigorous defense of the core principles on which the university is founded, especially academic freedom."

The group's evidence for this extraordinarily serious charge revealed much more about the signatories that about Bollinger. The president, they asserted, had "allied the University with the Bush administration's war in Iraq, a position anathema to many in the University community" - because he had the temerity to rebuke President Ahmadinejad during the Iranian leader's recent visit to Columbia (It goes without saying that millions of Americans who oppose the war in Iraq nonetheless find Ahmadinejad's policies repulsive, a distinction that apparently evaded Bollinger's faculty critics).

The signatories then moved on to criticize Bollinger's conduct on issues relating to the Middle East. They faulted the president for not publicly saying that alumni and the media have no right to comment about Middle East Studies faculty, as the president of Barnard had done after an outcry when a rabidly anti-Israel professor, Nadia Abu El-Haj, received tenure. And, as the New York Sun noted, the list of signatories included many who "signed a petition two years ago calling on Columbia to divest from companies that sell arms and military hardware to Israel."

Similarly, the last few weeks featured an egregious example of how focusing on "democratic citizenship" functions as a code for ideologically one-sided instruction. The University of Delaware implemented a curriculum for its residence halls designed to provide "treatment" for students whose ideas did not conform to an extreme political correctness.

Students were told "a racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. 'The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture, or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists.'" In one-on-one meetings with resident advisors, white students were pressed to disclose how they had oppressed people in the past, or when they discovered their sexual orientation.

Incredibly, a senior administrator at the University described the program as one in which "students are challenged to express themselves as free-thinking citizens."

Since I wrote the passage quoted in your question, the media (and some alumni groups) have become more aware of the pervasiveness of "groupthink" in the academy. Most important, there seems to be a growing recognition that the problem of groupthink is not a left-versus-right issue but one of protecting students' rights to free speech and to learn in an intellectually open campus atmosphere. The Delaware example cited above, for instance, was terminated after massive media criticism, from newspapers of all ideological persuasions. Similarly, the anti-Bollinger professors have received no substantial editorial support, even from newspapers (such as the New York Times) whose editorial boards are clearly left of center.

Dear Prof.,

The illuminating book you wrote about the famous Duke Lacrosse rape case contends that it was not just academia, but also the mainstream media and many other forces who bear responsibility to the group-thinking that made this case possible. However, if one is trying to apply the same method to the issue of Israel many will argue that the opposite is true: pro-Israel forces are generally so powerful and influential in America that only in academia one can hear dissenting voices.

Would you accept such argument?

Best


It's clear in the Duke lacrosse case that a "groupthink" mentality initially seized institutions - the academy, the mainstream media, civil rights organizations - that we expect to uphold due process. All betrayed their ideals in gleefully rushing to judgment, perhaps none more so than the "Group of 88," the 88 arts and sciences faculty who signed an April 2006 statement declaring unequivocally that something had happened to the rape accuser and saying "thank you for not waiting" to protesters who had, among other things, carried "castrate" banners in front of the lacrosse players' house.

But in the end, nearly all of the media and (more reluctantly) most civil rights groups admitted their error, and conceded that this case was really about massive abuse of power by a local prosecutor. The Group of 88, on the other hand, remained defiant - this January, after the criminal case had collapsed, nearly all signed onto another statement affirming that they never would apologize for presuming guilt. Eschewing the dispassionate evaluation of evidence, they instead clung to their ideological prejudices and displayed an almost stunning closed-mindedness. In other words, whether theirs was a majority opinion or the perspectives of dissenters, the Group of 88?s quality of thought was unimpressive.

Like most elite universities, Duke has had its share of campus controversies on Middle Eastern issues: in 2004, it hosted the conference of the Palestine Solidarity Movement, perhaps the most extreme of the anti-Israel groups on American college campuses; some Duke faculty also agitated for the University to divest from companies that did business with the Israeli defense establishment.

Many of the same professors who took an extreme position on the lacrosse case had previously distinguished themselves for vehement anti-Israel beliefs. Dozens signed a 2005 pro-divestment petition comparing Israel to apartheid South Africa and claiming that "torture is endemic and systemic-part and parcel of the Israeli Occupation and Israel's security culture." Wahneema Lubiano, author of the Group of 88's ad, was one of three Duke professors to speak at the PSM conference. She was joined there by another Group of 88 member, Rebecca Stein, who in a 2005 interview pointed to Israeli Jewish racism as among the causes of the second intifada. And Group member Miriam Cooke blamed the West for the Arab states' poor record of women's rights: "When men are traumatized [by colonial rule], they tend to traumatize their own women."

In short, the Group of 88 demonstrated no more intellectual acuity in their comments about issues relating to Israel than they did in their perspective on the lacrosse case. I'm dubious, therefore, about rationalizing academic anti-Israel polemics as a necessary dissenting balance to pro-Israel sentiments in the public, media, or political classes - without examining the quality of those dissenting arguments.

It's also worth remembering that we're less than two decades removed from the frosty relationship between George H.W. Bush and Yitzhak Shamir. Indeed, as recently as the late 1990s, a good portion of the media (and some politicians) blamed Israel for the failure to achieve peace.

The twin events of the second intifada (with the Palestinians launching a campaign that used murder of civilians as a deliberate strategy) and the 9/11 attacks (which made most Americans more sympathetic to the kinds of threats Israel long has faced) helped to create the overwhelmingly pro-Israel nature of contemporary U.S. public opinion. But as memories of both events fade, I suspect public opinion will return to the more varied perspective of the 1990s. The anti-Israel contingent of the academy, however, will remain very much entrenched.

Dear Prof.,

So here is what ought to be the most important question on this issue: to what degree those university scholars actually influence the thinking of their students. Do you suspect that a generation of anti-Israel elites is now planted around the US, and that the impact of such academia-bias will be felt in the coming years?

Best

Rosner


This question, obviously, is key, but also is very difficult to measure. It's comparatively easy to determine what is being taught - you can look at course syllabi or descriptions (and sometimes course assignments) or read the scholarship of professors. In exceptional cases, such as the crisis in Columbia's Middle Eastern Studies Department, students will make public class notes. But it's very difficult to measure how students are receiving the instruction.

A two-part response. At non-elite institutions - a majority of colleges and universities in the United States, after all - the problem is severe. Most students enter such colleges after graduating from public high schools. In most cases, they don't have an in-depth familiarity with international affairs. And most students assume that what professors tell them is true.

For these students, their sole exposure to matters relating to the Middle East will come through heavily ideological, required "diversity" courses on foreign cultures, or through new curricular fads such as "global studies." The latter, which has been adopted at dozens of non-elite schools around the country, sounds banal but in fact almost always consists of a cluster of courses designed to criticize contemporary U.S. foreign policy.

The only other nation targeted through global studies classes is Israel. At St. Lawrence University's global studies program, for instance, the only class offered on Israel is called "Palestinian Identities," which introduces students to Palestinian identification "as a political and cultural community as they continue to struggle to free themselves from Israeli domination." The course concludes with a forced political activity: "using what we have learned," Professor John Collins notes, "we organize and produce a public activity of some sort; with the goal of educating the community about the importance of understanding what Edward Said has called 'the question of Palestine.'"

At elite institutions, the situation is somewhat more optimistic. The bias in classes on the Middle East is still present. Columbia's Rashid Khalidi, for instance, explained his approach in a 2005 interview with New York magazine: "Most kids who come to Columbia come from environments where almost everything they've ever thought [about the Middle East] was shared by everybody around them. And this is not true, incidentally, of Arab-Americans, who know that the ideas spouted by the major newspapers, television stations, and politicians are completely at odds with everything they know to be true." In other words, Arab-American and only Arab-American students know the "truth" about the Middle East. And Khalidi is widely, and correctly, perceived as among the more "moderate" members of the Middle East Studies establishment.

Khalidi's comment, however, also revealed the problem that faculty ideologues encounter at elite schools. Most students there are at least somewhat familiar with Middle Eastern affairs - whether through the media or through following political debates. Because they have some information to challenge the anti-Israel biases of their instructors, these students are far less subject to indoctrination.

That said, it's depressing to note that the best for which supporters of Israel can hope is that students at elite schools will get nothing out of the Middle East Studies classes that they take in college, because these classes tend to be so wildly biased.

Most universities have as part of their mission statements a claim to be training future democratic citizens. Because of the one-sided nature of Middle East instruction, and because of its excessive focus on the issue of Israel, quite beyond the question of possible indoctrination, America's colleges and universities are failing a generation of students - and future citizens - by not providing them comprehensive coverage of a region of the world that will be critical to U.S. security for the foreseeable future.

  1.   Prof. Johnson 06:24  |  Ben Packer 19/11/07
  2.   T.C. not P.C. 06:33  |  D.R. Zukerman 19/11/07
  3.   former-nerd faculty still looking for revenge against the jocks 08:54  |  Susan 19/11/07
  4.   #3 Susan 10:09  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  5.   A DIRECT OUTCOME OF TALKBACK 10:22  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  6.   Israeli critics no longer "anti-semitic" but "anti-Bush" 10:56  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  7.   #4, you just overestimate youself, baby 11:11  |  Axel 19/11/07
  8.   "rabidly anti-Israeli professor." 11:16  |  American 19/11/07
  9.   #6 Clickfool 11:29  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  10.   American #8 11:40  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  11.   Clarity over Lies re: Balestine 11:48  |  FOX 19/11/07
  12.   #8 Another "American" 11:56  |  Yonatan 19/11/07
  13.   For Daybreak # 9 11:59  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  14.   For Daybreak # 9 11:59  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  15.   Johnson&Johnson 12:10  |  Mr. T 19/11/07
  16.   #13 Clickfool 12:11  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  17.   # 10, ELDAR 12:13  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  18.   For Windmilling Daybreak # 13 12:28  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  19.   The Truth IS The Truth & They KNOW IT! ...That`s Why They Object. 12:35  |  Proud Pal Defender 19/11/07
  20.   Indrajaya #17 12:44  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  21.   ISRAEL IS A MISTAKE THAT MUST BE CORRECTED 13:05  |  Christian Crusader 19/11/07
  22.   Eldar, then you are as evil as the goyem 13:17  |  American 19/11/07
  23.   #17 inrajaya 13:30  |  Axel 19/11/07
  24.   #18 Clickfool 13:33  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  25.   American #21 13:36  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  26.   # 20, ELDAR 13:43  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  27.   Daybreak re Clickfool. 13:48  |  Dr. FOX 19/11/07
  28.   when it comes to Israel, there is no academic freedom 13:48  |  mehmet 19/11/07
  29.   # 23, AXEL 13:50  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  30.   #18, 24 Daybreak on Clickfool 13:54  |  Eugene 19/11/07
  31.   If you think the U.S. campus is bad read the haters on this site 13:55  |  Shalom Freedman 19/11/07
  32.   Indrajaya - If it sounds like a duck... 13:55  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  33.   Indrajaya, Axel #29 14:03  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  34.   For Daybreak yet again # 24 14:06  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  35.   Indrajaya patheitc as usual 14:07  |  FOX 19/11/07
  36.   For "Dr" Fox # 27 14:09  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  37.   #34 Clickfool 14:15  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  38.   Should Moslems be allowed to govern themselves? 14:26  |  Dr. FOX 19/11/07
  39.   #22 American 15:14  |  Yankenstein 19/11/07
  40.   #21 same address different name but just as stupid 15:39  |  victor hardman 19/11/07
  41.   #22 American 15:44  |  Axel 19/11/07
  42.   #1 Christian Crusader? 15:45  |  Petra 19/11/07
  43.   To American: Israel is not a colonial power 15:46  |  AA 19/11/07
  44.   #37re#34 Clickfool 15:47  |  Jazz 19/11/07
  45.   indraya: continue to criticize Israel; please ignore Indonesia`s 15:48  |  utagawa 19/11/07
  46.   #29 indrajaya 15:50  |  Axel 19/11/07
  47.   #44 Jazz 15:59  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  48.   Clickfools Sanctuary 16:02  |  Peter 19/11/07
  49.   Israel: "the most faithful ally" ???? yeah right. 16:16  |  Ibrahim 19/11/07
  50.   Dear Clickfool, as your doctor... #36 16:17  |  FOX 19/11/07
  51.   Utagawa on Indonesia #45 16:25  |  FOX 19/11/07
  52.   # 46, AXEL 16:41  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  53.   #38 When have Moslems be allowed to govern themselves? 16:45  |  Hubal 19/11/07
  54.   # 51, FOX 16:49  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  55.   #47 Daybreak 16:50  |  Jazz 19/11/07
  56.   #49 Ibrahim `the most faithful` aaly 17:08  |  tbora 19/11/07
  57.   How to detect a weak excuse 17:23  |  Tosefta 19/11/07
  58.   As a refugee from Communist oppression 17:27  |  TOMY 19/11/07
  59.   FOX 17:41  |  Danite 19/11/07
  60.   Indraya `the Javanese hottie" 17:42  |  Danite 19/11/07
  61.   # 60, DANITE 17:48  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  62.   Eldar, you are only playing with words 17:48  |  American 19/11/07
  63.   axel, the Palestinians are victims of occupation, they 17:51  |  American 19/11/07
  64.   indrajaya`s indonesia and the chinese 17:53  |  utagawa 19/11/07
  65.   Indrajaya, slave owner? #54 17:55  |  FOX 19/11/07
  66.   Christian Crusader 17:56  |  CHGODMK 19/11/07
  67.   # 57 Tosefta - simple response to sophisticated friend 18:05  |  17 19/11/07
  68.   #63 American 18:13  |  Axel 19/11/07
  69.   Mehmet - USA has great academic freedom 18:27  |  David Israel 19/11/07
  70.   No. 58 Tomy 18:28  |  Steve 19/11/07
  71.   Danite, what is what is not what may be? 18:29  |  FOX 19/11/07
  72.   utagawa Re Indonesia 18:32  |  Hubal 19/11/07
  73.   # 65, FOX 18:34  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  74.   # 64, UTAGAWA 18:44  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  75.   Indy Bali is in Indonesia 18:46  |  FOX 19/11/07
  76.   Anti-Israel Attitudes 18:56  |  MB 19/11/07
  77.   Genocide A Tale of Two Nations 18:57  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  78.   # 75, FOX 19:05  |  indrajaya 19/11/07
  79.   Faculty against the jocks 19:06  |  Avi Marranazo 19/11/07
  80.   Duke faculty 19:10  |  Duke Parent `06 19/11/07
  81.   Danite 19:27  |  CHGODMK 19/11/07
  82.   #70, American accademics were on the side of 19:29  |  TOMY 19/11/07
  83.   Indrajaya # 17 19:36  |  Larry 19/11/07
  84.   #8 American, note, non of the mentioned 19:43  |  TOMY 19/11/07
  85.   A Zionist debates # 48 19:51  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  86.   #21 Christian Crusader,so how you intend to 19:53  |  TOMY 19/11/07
  87.   For Fox # 50 19:56  |  Clickfool 19/11/07
  88.   #22 American,Your words are so supperficial 20:03  |  TOMY 19/11/07
  89.   I`ll Tell You Why I Don`t Hate All Muslims 20:07  |  Yosemite 19/11/07
  90.   #11 20:08  |  Jeff 19/11/07
  91.   #49, Ibrahim... 20:27  |  Silvienne 19/11/07
  92.   #85, 87 Clickfool 20:28  |  Eugene 19/11/07
  93.   Ibrahim 20:30  |  Gina 19/11/07
  94.   Duke students and PC 20:37  |  Ethel 19/11/07
  95.   I Feel Sorry For University Faculty 20:50  |  Yosemite 19/11/07
  96.   anti Israel and proud of it 21:05  |  jpudentain@yahoo.com 19/11/07
  97.   For Daybreak - go on, hit him 21:10  |  Jerrym 19/11/07
  98.   American #62 21:29  |  Eldar 19/11/07
  99.   Jews are so stupid 21:36  |  margaret 19/11/07
  100.   US Universities 21:37  |  Michael 19/11/07
  101.   #57, Tosefta 21:38  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/11/07
  102.   Amira Hass and the Quakers 21:48  |  Ethel 19/11/07
  103.   Margaret in NYC: You Are SO Stupid 21:51  |  CHGODMK 19/11/07
  104.   academia 21:54  |  titus 19/11/07
  105.   Remembering my Lefty days 21:54  |  FOX 19/11/07
  106.   #57 22:00  |  titus 19/11/07
  107.   Michael from San Diego - Are we living in the same USA? 22:04  |  David Israel 19/11/07
  108.   Margaret You Are So Stupid 22:05  |  Yosemite 19/11/07
  109.   yonatan 12 22:06  |  realism 19/11/07
  110.   Ethel Re: The Quakers 22:10  |  Yosemite 19/11/07
  111.   #97 Jerrym 22:13  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  112.   P.C. 22:22  |  Ethel 19/11/07
  113.   Margaret #99 you are confused dear 22:33  |  FOX 19/11/07
  114.   To Indrajaya 22:41  |  Sari 19/11/07
  115.   Beggar or blackamailers 22:52  |  Fawdawi 19/11/07
  116.   Beggar or blackamailers 22:52  |  Fawdawi 19/11/07
  117.   #106, titus 22:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/11/07
  118.   FOX in his lefty days..... 22:59  |  Roo 19/11/07
  119.   no. 82 Tomy 23:00  |  Steve 19/11/07
  120.   Neville Chamberlain speech 9/7/1938 23:03  |  FOX 19/11/07
  121.   I disagree David 23:04  |  mehmet 19/11/07
  122.   Chamberlain cont.... 23:08  |  FOX 19/11/07
  123.   #99 Margaret 23:10  |  Daybreak 19/11/07
  124.   FOX 23:27  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 19/11/07
  125.   # 120 Daybreak, sorry to interrupt your conversation.... 23:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 19/11/07
  126.   Some bull crap from Herr FOX 23:35  |  Roo 19/11/07
  127.   Mehmet you disagree from Istanbul but AI am in USA 23:37  |  David Israel 19/11/07
  128.   Ethel re: the Quakers 23:37  |  CHGODMK 19/11/07
  129.   America`s "most faithful ally" ? 23:45  |  whoopsie 19/11/07
  130.   #99 Margaret - I am an American Jew and 23:50  |  David Israel 19/11/07
  131.   More from Roo #126 Oh MY! 23:54  |  FOX 19/11/07
  132.   Johnson proves nothing 00:10  |  Peter H 20/11/07
  133.   David Israel 00:12  |  Michael 20/11/07
  134.   Mehmet you are incorrect 00:15  |  Sari 20/11/07
  135.   123 FOX -I have a fondness for liberals, but I despise the Left 00:15  |  17 20/11/07
  136.   #119 Steve,We were well informed,McCarty 00:33  |  TOMY 20/11/07
  137.   margaret......from nyc......I think you were 00:36  |  m..... 20/11/07
  138.   Your simple answer is too simple (Prisoner 17, #67) 00:45  |  Tosefta 20/11/07
  139.   yosemite.......I think margaret was mistreated 00:50  |  m 20/11/07
  140.   statement about torture 00:57  |  realism 20/11/07
  141.   #99 Margaret - I am an American Jew and 00:59  |  David Israel 20/11/07
  142.   AMERICAN DONT COMPARE 01:18  |  TOBia 20/11/07
  143.   #10 the problem of worse sins 01:23  |  Benji 20/11/07
  144.   # 12 Yonatan--Kfar-Saba AMERICANS HERE..HA, HA,AND OTHERS.. 01:24  |  JOSH 20/11/07
  145.   I wish I could meet a lot of jewish people 01:32  |  maria 20/11/07
  146.   #11 FOX Clarity over Lies re: Balestine 01:37  |  JOSH 20/11/07
  147.   Indraya 01:42  |  Danite 20/11/07
  148.   # 138 Tosefta - Why students of antisemitic professors 01:43  |  17 20/11/07
  149.   FOX 01:47  |  Danite 20/11/07
  150.   I really must be missing something 01:48  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/11/07
  151.   # 99 margaret..Jews are so stupid. DO YOU MEAN LIKE YOU?CYNICAL 01:49  |  JOSH 20/11/07
  152.   CHGODMK 01:50  |  Danite 20/11/07
  153.   FOX #2 01:54  |  Danite 20/11/07
  154.   Cipora hello 01:55  |  Danite 20/11/07
  155.   #139 m 01:59  |  Yosemite 20/11/07
  156.   17 re tosefta 02:00  |  Danite 20/11/07
  157.   CHGODMK 02:03  |  Danite 20/11/07
  158.   Christian Crusader 02:09  |  rich 20/11/07
  159.   Roo in Brisbane 02:14  |  rich 20/11/07
  160.   GIVE ME A BREAK 02:22  |  Hussein 20/11/07
  161.   Ususal Zionist propoganda 02:51  |  Truth 20/11/07
  162.   Israel and PAC 03:31  |  corwin 20/11/07
  163.   Margaret #99--Some Jews really ARE stupid. 03:41  |  Here`s why 20/11/07
  164.   #27, Dr. Fox re Clickfool... 03:52  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  165.   #31, Shalom Freedman... 03:54  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  166.   #32, Eldar and the Ducks... 03:57  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  167.   #50, Fox or Dr.Fox re: Clickfool:not another wordy pointless post 04:00  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  168.   #62, Eldar... 04:04  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  169.   Conflation 05:51  |  Nick Ferriman 20/11/07
  170.   Daybreak and Clickfool 06:08  |  davidk 20/11/07
  171.   # 120 FOX 07:13  |  Nicholas Ferriman 20/11/07
  172.   Silvienne 08:43  |  Eldar 20/11/07
  173.   Actually, I Loves Them Anti-Semites 08:44  |  Yosemite 20/11/07
  174.   Nicholas Ferriman re Fox/Chamberlain. 11:21  |  Roo 20/11/07
  175.   #170 DavidK 11:42  |  Daybreak 20/11/07
  176.   Ferrying Nick to Reality 11:43  |  FOX 20/11/07
  177.   Roo from the Far Right of Oz 11:52  |  FOX 20/11/07
  178.   Sorry Fox. I won`t take lessons from a rac/fascist 12:38  |  Roo 20/11/07
  179.   # 177 FOX 13:58  |  Nick Ferriman 20/11/07
  180.   #172, Eldar... 18:49  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  181.   #178, Roo makes a good point... 18:51  |  Silvienne 20/11/07
  182.   #178 Roo 19:27  |  Daybreak 20/11/07
  183.   # 167 Silvienne..A SUGGESTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.. 21:01  |  JOSH 20/11/07
  184.   # 182 Daybreak 02:36  |  Nick Ferriman 21/11/07
  185.   #167, Josh, who died and put you in charge? 03:16  |  Silvienne 21/11/07
  186.   Groupthink and the "crisis" at Columbia 11:39  |  Tarik 21/11/07
  187.   Leave politics out of academia 12:31  |  AA 21/11/07
  188.   what did LBJ know? 19:20  |  margaret 21/11/07
  189.   Tosefta - the street vs academia 00:44  |  Mark Lincoln 22/11/07
  190.   Abe got him elected senator... 06:59  |  D.R. Zukerman 22/11/07
  191.   186 No Tarik, Khalidi refused let an Israeli student participate 08:25  |  Rob 22/11/07
  192.   189Mark L. Do academics understand that Hamas and Sharia are part 08:30  |  Rob 22/11/07
  193.   #108 Yosemite 19:07  |  margaret 22/11/07
  194.   #113 Fox 19:15  |  margaret 22/11/07
  195.   #130 David Israel 19:27  |  margaret 22/11/07
  196.   #137 m... 19:31  |  margaret 22/11/07
  197.   What did LBJ know? (Post 188) 02:59  |  Johnny Weintraub 23/11/07
  198.   Faculty 10:54  |  Sammy 23/11/07
  199.   to 197 Johnny Weintraub 12:38  |  Ben Hartman 23/11/07
  200.   Rob Ann Arbor re: shia law 14:43  |  Petra 23/11/07
  201.   #197 Sugarland 16:57  |  margaret 23/11/07
  202.   Isn`t Jimmy Carter (#99) 17:56  |  D.R. Zukerman 23/11/07
  203.   Don`t worry about the ivory towers 10:54  |  ghostoflutherblisset 24/11/07
  204.   #87 Clickfool - Thank You for Letting Us Know Better Out Than In 10:12  |  Alan 25/11/07
  205.   Tosefta 15:52  |  Mark Lincoln 25/11/07
  206.   Ben Hartman (Post No. 197) 19:12  |  Johnny Weintraub 25/11/07
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