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Was Desmond Tutu comparing Israel and Hitler?

1.

A plan to invite Archbishop Desmond Tutu to address students at the University of St. Thomas was canceled, after local Jewish community leaders condemned him as anti-Israel and an anti-Semite. The plan was to have him as a speaker next year, and it was scuttled by university officials who did not want to offend the Jewish community over the Nobel Peace Prize laureate's views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (University officials confirmed the story to the press).

Julie Swiler, public affairs director for the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas, told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune that Tutu's remarks were "offensive and hurtful to Jews." While she said she did not consider Tutu anti-Semitic, his speech "compares Jews in Israel to Hitler" and "in another section he questions Jewish faithfulness to God."

Doug Hennes, vice president for university and government relations said that "He [Tutu] has been critical of Israel and Israeli policy regarding the Palestinians, so we talked with people in the Jewish community and they said they believed it would be hurtful to the Jewish community, because of things he's said". Hennes said the university does not believe Tutu is anti-Semitic, but cited a 2002 speech in which he said Tutu criticized "the Jewish lobby." Hennes also said Jewish groups feel Tutu has compared the Israeli policy toward Palestinians to how Adolf Hitler treated Jews.

2.

Can you see the difference?

She says: his speech "compares Jews in Israel to Hitler".

He says: "Jewish groups feel Tutu has compared"

Well, did he or didn't he compare?

3.

One of the sources for this Hitler comparison is a Haaretz story - or, to be more accurate, a quote of this story. The story itself is not available on the web, and spending some time looking for it I can tell you that not even a Haaretz worker can easily find it.

Anyway, the right wing ZOA quotes Haaretz in this way:

The Israeli daily Haaretz (April 29, 2002), reporting Tutu's remarks at a recent conference in Boston, quoted him as saying:

"Israel is like Hitler and apartheid": "I've been deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa...I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about..."I say why are our memories so short? Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon?...The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust. Injustice and oppression will never prevail."

4.

But why waste time searching for a lost story, when the speech is available, signed by Tutu, in another publication, the British Guardian.

From the full quote, the original quote, one can learn why the Hitler comparison is, well, debatable:

"People are scared in this country [the U.S.], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust".

5.

Was he reminding his audience of the sufferings of Palestinians in a manner that invokes the Holocaust? He did. Was he talking about apartheid in this speech? Definitely, but mainstream American figures have also done that over the past year. And the same can be said about his comments on the Jewish lobby. But was this a comparison between Israel's policies and Hitler's? Not exactly.

Which still leaves us with a miserable speech of a biased and uninformed observer.


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  1.   The real comparison 03:32  |  David B. 06/10/07
  2.   Sad end to the article 03:56  |  Gordon 06/10/07
  3.   Tutu an Antisemite? 04:11  |  Darren 06/10/07
  4.   Et Tutu, Israel? 05:44  |  Knott Bushman 06/10/07
  5.   Gordon 06:01  |  Truth 06/10/07
  6.   WHAT YOU GOT TO LOSE, ANYWAY? 06:20  |  indrajaya 06/10/07
  7.   Tutu is on the board of Sabeel 11:02  |  Slibovitz 06/10/07
  8.   Archbishop Desmond Tutu 13:35  |  Yoav Naor 06/10/07
  9.   Disinvite Lieberman? 14:50  |  W 06/10/07
  10.   huh? 15:55  |  monawa3at 06/10/07
  11.   To Darren 16:26  |  Gordon 06/10/07
  12.   Tutu was comparing Israel and Hitler? 16:27  |  Natallie Durson 06/10/07
  13.   desmond tutu 16:53  |  m.ali 06/10/07
  14.   hes right... 18:23  |  ravi 06/10/07
  15.   yoav noar.... is that the smell... 18:26  |  ravi 06/10/07
  16.   transcript of Archbishop Tutu`s speech 19:16  |  Marla Erlien 06/10/07
  17.   Tutu`s meaning is clear: Jews = Nazis, fascists, apartheid 19:26  |  Izik 06/10/07
  18.   m. ali: historically ignorant 19:32  |  Izik 06/10/07
  19.   Marla: transcript proves Tutu is ignorant 19:39  |  Izik 06/10/07
  20.   Knott Bushman`s racism 20:03  |  Izik 06/10/07
  21.   The rabid "antisemite" screechers 20:11  |  Steve 06/10/07
  22.   no. 7 Slivovitz 20:16  |  Steve 06/10/07
  23.   It`s not a good sign... 20:21  |  Colin Wright 06/10/07
  24.   No. 7, Slibovitz 20:28  |  W 06/10/07
  25.   Biased is biased 20:39  |  BBBB 06/10/07
  26.   darren 3 21:50  |  realism 06/10/07
  27.   INVITING JEW-HATERS TO LECTURE 22:36  |  VICTIMSofARAB TERROR 06/10/07
  28.   Desmond Tutu is NOT Anti-Semetic 22:41  |  Shimon Z. Klein 06/10/07
  29.   #8 Yoav Naor the racist 23:59  |  Boycott 06/10/07
  30.   This is greatly alarming 00:29  |  A jewish/american 07/10/07
  31.   South African Blacks Did Not Threaten To Wipe The Whites Off The 00:53  |  Eli 07/10/07
  32.   Two SA ex pats missing from this forum??????? 01:40  |  Labhras 07/10/07
  33.   Shimon: Read Tutu`s words as they are, not as you wish them to be 01:59  |  Izik 07/10/07
  34.   To W: Comparing Israel w/ Nazi Germany is anti-Semitic 02:08  |  Izik 07/10/07
  35.   Arabs & Africans also supported Apartheid South Africa 02:14  |  Izik 07/10/07
  36.   Tutu 03:15  |  Tutu is a racist 07/10/07
  37.   INDRAJAYA : How old r U? U know too much 03:53  |  JOJO 07/10/07
  38.   How to save your hate-energy 04:38  |  chelemer 07/10/07
  39.   Natalie Durson: put your money where your mouth is 05:55  |  Peter Burman 07/10/07
  40.   Tutu 08:07  |  Naim S. Mahlab 07/10/07
  41.   #12, Natallie 08:15  |  Silvienne 07/10/07
  42.   #39, Peter Burman 08:18  |  Silvienne 07/10/07
  43.   Eli, in Berkeley 08:21  |  Jon Jaye 07/10/07
  44.   #43, Jon Jaye... 08:40  |  Silvienne 07/10/07
  45.   Jon Jaye # 43 - "God Did Not Give The land To The Jews" 08:44  |  Eli 07/10/07
  46.   Desmond Tutu Is An Anti-Semite 09:01  |  Yosemite 07/10/07
  47.   typical mealy mouthed Rosner 09:26  |  Richard Silverstein 07/10/07
  48.   Why? 10:34  |  Carlos Carvalho 07/10/07
  49.   carlos carvalho, let GOD bless you. 10:56  |  v 07/10/07
  50.   Stanford and Rumsfeld - Free Speech 10:58  |  Daybreak 07/10/07
  51.   Izik and Checkpoints 11:10  |  Marcos 07/10/07
  52.   TUTU REPEATS AGE OLD ANTI JEWISH MYTH 11:21  |  B.Coon 07/10/07
  53.   And then, Christians in Gaza are killed, what is wrong with Tutu? 11:23  |  Efox 07/10/07
  54.   #31 Eli 11:25  |  Boycott 07/10/07
  55.   has anyone heard one sensible thing from the buffoon tutu? 11:26  |  victor hardman 07/10/07
  56.   Tutu is respected everywhere but Israel 11:33  |  Boycott 07/10/07
  57.   Mr Desmond TUTU, Friend or Foe?? 11:36  |  Muoani 07/10/07
  58.   jon jaye and the eternal blind spot of ex colonists 11:56  |  victor hardman 07/10/07
  59.   #46.yosemite,SO anybody who explain the truth is anti-semite? 12:02  |  FRED 07/10/07
  60.   Who`s fault? 12:07  |  Bob 07/10/07
  61.   response to Muoani 12:09  |  Bob 07/10/07
  62.   Tutu is telling the truth 12:20  |  KA 07/10/07
  63.   To Jon Jaye and others 12:28  |  Sidney 07/10/07
  64.   Tutu is no intellectual 12:37  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  65.   Boycott - we all know your words are true 12:51  |  Palestinian Brit 07/10/07
  66.   Sydney 12:56  |  Palestinian Brit 07/10/07
  67.   Hurt feeling vs destroyed lives? Which is more important? 13:01  |  Kim 07/10/07
  68.   Tutu is Archbishop of CHURCH OF ENGLAND. Nuff said. 13:21  |  Alan 07/10/07
  69.   Tutu and hurt feelings 13:24  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  70.   #66 What a weird response 13:34  |  Sidney 07/10/07
  71.   If it is not to silence debate.... 13:40  |  Tess 07/10/07
  72.   Lobby on Auto-Pilot 13:47  |  RichPundit 07/10/07
  73.   No comparison between Israel`s policies and Hitlers. 13:52  |  Johnny Weintraub 07/10/07
  74.   Tutu 14:07  |  Hilda 07/10/07
  75.   KA # 62 last time I checked, defending one`s citizenry 14:11  |  The Equalizer 07/10/07
  76.   Tutu and Christianity 14:14  |  Bob 07/10/07
  77.   No 30 You are a fake you are not Jewish 14:17  |  Larry Levine 07/10/07
  78.   COMPARISONS 14:18  |  Brant 07/10/07
  79.   For Fred NYC 14:21  |  Yosemite 07/10/07
  80.   Indigenous peoples? 14:25  |  Larry Levine 07/10/07
  81.   Sydney and backwater 14:27  |  Palestinian Brit 07/10/07
  82.   Israel and the two state solution No 71 14:40  |  Larry Levine 07/10/07
  83.   #81 14:42  |  Bob 07/10/07
  84.   The Equalizer: the last time I checked I found that you a liar 14:42  |  KA 07/10/07
  85.   IF I WOULD ALSO HAVE TO CARE WHAT TUTU SAID OR THOUGHT 14:59  |  Robert 07/10/07
  86.   The point of the speech was this: 15:01  |  sh 07/10/07
  87.   Jewish Power and the "Lobby" 15:08  |  Larry Levine 07/10/07
  88.   sing it -- the end -- hallelujah! 15:46  |  edgar 07/10/07
  89.   Mr Levine, some number to your assertions, shall we 15:49  |  Tess 07/10/07
  90.   #39 - A DUMB CHALLANGE 15:50  |  Double Click 07/10/07
  91.   Edgar is not thinking much or maybe doesn`t care 16:15  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  92.   Palestine is an imoral concept 16:18  |  Zody 07/10/07
  93.   Allocations of money for security were mentioned? 16:20  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  94.   The takeover of the Tutu brand 16:45  |  ExtremeModerate 07/10/07
  95.   Tutu knows what he`s doing 16:55  |  Thembe 07/10/07
  96.   Tess from the Midwest 17:05  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  97.   Tutu`s visit to Jerusalem 17:09  |  Palestinian Brit 07/10/07
  98.   Israel has no democratic concept of morality 17:14  |  Nick Ferriman 07/10/07
  99.   # 17 Izik 17:24  |  Nick Ferriman 07/10/07
  100.   Anger @ Israels Policy=Anti-Semitism? 17:49  |  Uncle Sammy 07/10/07
  101.   Nick Ferriman #98 17:50  |  Bob 07/10/07
  102.   #98 and ferriman has no conception of anything 18:02  |  victor hardman 07/10/07
  103.   Nick Ferriman & concepts of morality 18:02  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  104.   99: Nick shows his lack of truth again 18:25  |  David Teich 07/10/07
  105.   NO to the Antisemite Tutu 18:31  |  Brod 07/10/07
  106.   The last respite for a rogue 18:44  |  Chris Linthwaite 07/10/07
  107.   The same hypocrit that pronounced Israel guilty BEFORE enquiry. 18:45  |  PETER SM 07/10/07
  108.   N.FERRIMAN.Criticising Israel in the ISRAELI media 19:32  |  PETER SM 07/10/07
  109.   Deeply disappointed in Tutu 19:49  |  Esther 07/10/07
  110.   it is interesting how badly some respond to reason 20:06  |  Peter Smith 07/10/07
  111.   #109 ESTHER 20:24  |  Courcey 07/10/07
  112.   Palestinian Brit 21:13  |  Danite 07/10/07
  113.   Security is the open sesame 21:22  |  Esther 07/10/07
  114.   University of Sain Thomas: "As a community we are committed to 21:42  |  Apartheid 07/10/07
  115.   APARTHEID.why not check out TUTU`s" truths" on Israel 22:16  |  PETER SM 07/10/07
  116.   Apartheid 114 22:19  |  ChanahS 07/10/07
  117.   For #114 22:20  |  Esther 07/10/07
  118.   peter sm 107 22:34  |  realism 07/10/07
  119.   Esther: If that is true why were half a million Israelis settled 22:41  |  Apartheid 07/10/07
  120.   Rsponse to Mr. BS 22:58  |  To Mr. BS 07/10/07
  121.   Tutu 23:05  |  Hans 07/10/07
  122.   Freedom of Speech? 23:06  |  Yom Shamash 07/10/07
  123.   WE DONT BELIEVE IN HIS GOD 23:12  |  TOBIA 07/10/07
  124.   Aparthied and values 23:27  |  Truths 07/10/07
  125.   Really Is Tutu Comments Are So Right 23:32  |  Billy T 07/10/07
  126.   FOR "APARTHEID" #114 23:36  |  Brant 07/10/07
  127.   Peter Smith of Bristol- Sorry to have confused you.... 23:47  |  Tess 07/10/07
  128.   BEIT JALA WOULD YPU LIKE IT BETTER 23:58  |  TOBIA 07/10/07
  129.   #99: Nick: Stick to the subject 00:47  |  Izik 08/10/07
  130.   Peter SM forgets this is www.haaretz.com 00:51  |  Labhras 08/10/07
  131.   #27 VICTIMS of ARAB TERROR 01:04  |  maoriboy 08/10/07
  132.   Always Blaming the Jews.... 01:21  |  Edan 08/10/07
  133.   TESS AND "INDIGENOUS" PEOPLES 02:05  |  Brant 08/10/07
  134.   Desmond Tutu - A friend of Israel??? 02:30  |  Neil 08/10/07
  135.   #Peter SM 02:37  |  maoriboy 08/10/07
  136.   Nelson Mandela also compared Israeli apartheid to South Africa`s 03:29  |  anti-racist 08/10/07
  137.   UNCLE SAMMY 03:48  |  JOJO 08/10/07
  138.   Brant.... 04:06  |  Tess 08/10/07
  139.   133 Brant "Ramla - The capitol of the Province of Filastin; it 04:33  |  Apartheid 08/10/07
  140.   A TESS AND AN APATRHEID WITH ONE REPLY 05:03  |  Brant 08/10/07
  141.   Tutu is sacred cow, don`t mess with his infallibility ! 05:12  |  Fortuna Benmayor 08/10/07
  142.   "biased uninformed observer"? You mean like Rosner? 05:16  |  peacelover 08/10/07
  143.   140 Brant First of all, there are a lot of "snippets" of a long 05:50  |  Apartheid 08/10/07
  144.   catch-all 06:04  |  mikeodd 08/10/07
  145.   #114 APARTHEID - 100% ON THE MONEY! 07:04  |  PADDY 08/10/07
  146.   #131 MAORIBOY AND MORE TOTAL TOMMYROT 08:00  |  paul harris 08/10/07
  147.   #65 Ignorance. Tutu is clearly Antisemitic 08:07  |  Semsem 08/10/07
  148.   For #119 08:12  |  Esther 08/10/07
  149.   MAORI BOY So only Israel isllowed to be criticised.? 08:28  |  PETER SM 08/10/07
  150.   For Fortuna #141 08:32  |  Esther 08/10/07
  151.   Archb.Tutu commits sin of Ignorance 08:52  |  Judy Abeles Eliasov 08/10/07
  152.   #145 paul harris one of those apologists i was talking about 09:45  |  maoriboy 08/10/07
  153.   #148 PeterSM 09:59  |  maoriboy 08/10/07
  154.   MAYBE TUTU SHOULD WEAR A TUTU 10:05  |  PalestniansAreA Myth 08/10/07
  155.   Faulty comparison 11:09  |  Joseph 08/10/07
  156.   Moariboy- This is a SERIOUS discussion not 11:17  |  Judy Abeles Eliasov 08/10/07
  157.   when a second-rate journalist burns with desire to... 11:36  |  zmogus 08/10/07
  158.   PADDY Using big words& slogans you do not understand 11:47  |  PETER SM 08/10/07
  159.   MAORIBOY.Thank you 11:49  |  PETER SM 08/10/07
  160.   REALISM After watching Arab behaviour for 200 years. 12:02  |  PETER SM 08/10/07
  161.   tutu 12:07  |  elsie 08/10/07
  162.   #17 Izik, 52 B.Coon and recycling the "Jewish Power" myth 12:29  |  zmogus 08/10/07
  163.   #150, Esther. Do some cleaning-up, next time you won`t throw dirt 12:53  |  zmogus 08/10/07
  164.   #151, Judy Abeles Eliasov and the sins of ignorance 13:03  |  zmogus 08/10/07
  165.   APARTHEID: MY REPLY 14:18  |  Brant 08/10/07
  166.   165 Brant Why don`t our presidential candidates declare themsel 15:34  |  Apartheid 08/10/07
  167.   We all have a Hitler inside of us 15:46  |  Edith 08/10/07
  168.   peter sm 160 18:34  |  realism 08/10/07
  169.   ZMOGUS: Read Tutu`s words directly 19:14  |  Izik 08/10/07
  170.   #156 Judy Abeles Eliasov 19:22  |  maoriboy 08/10/07
  171.   Minnesota-based web discussion on this subject 20:48  |  John 08/10/07
  172.   WHY NOT ASK HIM FOR CLARIFICATION FIRST? 22:20  |  Dutch 08/10/07
  173.   APARTHEID 166: MY REPLY 22:36  |  Brant 08/10/07
  174.   He only stated the obvious 23:59  |  Abu Firas Al Qudsi 08/10/07
  175.   Hi Maoriboy Cheers from Oz 02:18  |  James McNamara 09/10/07
  176.   #175 James McNamara 07:06  |  maoriboy 09/10/07
  177.   tutu 09:04  |  jacop levin 09/10/07
  178.   Maoriboy is racist *&^% 11:34  |  James McNamara 09/10/07
  179.   #178 James McNamara 12:28  |  maoriboy 09/10/07
  180.   Nutty Tutu, nutty comparisons 12:34  |  Goij Mike 09/10/07
  181.   Brant My reply: "IDF orders seizure of Arab land near East 13:46  |  Apartheid 09/10/07
  182.   #169, Izik. Hope little this intro in semiotics will help you 14:16  |  zmogus 09/10/07
  183.   #169, Izik. On Sh. Avineri`s source 14:53  |  zmogus 09/10/07
  184.   Definitely an antisemite 14:57  |  Disgusted 09/10/07
  185.   182: Zmogus, don`t throw around words you don`t comprehend 15:44  |  David Teich 09/10/07
  186.   #169, Izik. "Jewish lobby" vs "Israel lobby" 15:52  |  zmogus 09/10/07
  187.   #185, David Teich. Comprehension difficulties? 16:28  |  zmogus 09/10/07
  188.   bishop tutu and antisemitism 01:15  |  jack 10/10/07
  189.   jack 188 03:57  |  realism 10/10/07
  190.   187: You own "the field" Zmogus? 20:11  |  David Teich 10/10/07
  191.   Degrees of consideration 20:47  |  David Hoffman 10/10/07
  192.   Free speech? 02:29  |  Jan Jansen 11/10/07
  193.   #190, Davit Teich. "Own the field"? Do you retort this way to... 11:53  |  zmogus 11/10/07
  194.   #190, David Teich. To start with, you misunderstood even Rosner: 13:05  |  zmogus 11/10/07
  195.   #190, David Teich on the bits of mysterious semiotics 14:00  |  zmogus 11/10/07
  196.   193: No, zmogus, just the pompous idiots 21:34  |  David Teich 11/10/07
  197.   Good for Bishop Tutu 02:20  |  Paul Fingerhut 12/10/07
  198.   Archbishop Tutu 05:22  |  volov 12/10/07
  199.   David Teich. Whose quote is in sec.3? And in sec.4? Louder please 12:36  |  zmogus 12/10/07
  200.   #196,David Teich 155 words per 24H just too many for some readers 13:23  |  zmogus 12/10/07
  201.   #196, David Teich. Ellipses for some can mean Tajikistan too 14:34  |  zmogus 12/10/07
  202.   Terror and Occupation 18:50  |  Said 12/10/07
  203.   Tutu is Anti-West, not just anti-Jew 18:54  |  Joshua 13/10/07
  204.   Enough Said (# 202) 19:12  |  Joshua 13/10/07
  205.   Zmogus: Please, go back to school 16:20  |  David Teich 14/10/07
  206.   Smart people 06:23  |  Leonard 15/10/07
  207.   #162, David Teich. Text and context. Be introduced. 12:28  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  208.   #205, David Teich. The key provided (...zillionth time) 13:29  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  209.   Man, Zmogus, you leave me ROTFL! 13:53  |  David Teich 15/10/07
  210.   #205, David Teich. And, I`m sorry, but here`s what is says. 14:15  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  211.   #209, David Teich. I`ll be damned if you`re not making a progress 15:07  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  212.   #209, David Teich. I still believe that you`ll make it 16:00  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  213.   David Teich. Disentangling the two "possible" lines 18:08  |  zmogus 15/10/07
  214.   Why???? 06:58  |  Yoav Naor 16/10/07
  215.   JB must be Zmogus` hero, p1 09:32  |  David Teich 16/10/07
  216.   JB must be Zmogus` hero, p2 10:05  |  David Teich 16/10/07
  217.   David Teich. Should I interpret your silence as fact that it... 10:07  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  218.   David Teich, Thanks for continuing, will reply to you shortly 10:15  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  219.   #215, David Teich. Who or what is "JB" ? 10:26  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  220.   #215, David Teich. "Paragraph" and "passage" and the last straw 10:46  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  221.   #215, David Teich. We are getting to the "core". Almost. 12:03  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  222.   #215, David Teich.And we are getting further away from the "core" 13:16  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  223.   #215, David Teich`s original question... related to in my #201 14:18  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  224.   # 215, David Teich. There`s a saying... 14:48  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  225.   #216, David Teich. Key provided zillionth and first time 15:17  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  226.   #216, David Teich. This is how ZOA modified Tutu`s meaning: (1) 16:15  |  zmogus 16/10/07
  227.   Zmogus spam boy is at it again. yawn... p1 16:00  |  David Teich 17/10/07
  228.   Zmogus spam boy is at it again. yawn... p2 16:15  |  David Teich 17/10/07
  229.   Zmogus spam boy is at it again. yawn... p3 16:26  |  David Teich 17/10/07
  230.   #216, David Teich. This is how ZOA modified Tutu`s meaning: (2) 10:52  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  231.   #229, D.Teich. Yawning you were when you misread Rosner (1) 13:01  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  232.   #229, D.Teich. Yawning you were when you misread Rosner (2) 13:40  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  233.   #227,D.Teich excels in reviewing. Better 10 days later than never 14:12  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  234.   #228, David Teich`s new "core". Good-bye ZOA, hello Protocols 16:45  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  235.   David Teich, Oh, nearly forgot... 19:17  |  zmogus 18/10/07
  236.   #227-8, David Teich. And how is this related to who was compared? 10:23  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  237.   #228, David Teich. "False syntactic argument"? What`s that? 10:24  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  238.   #228 Teich: ZOA`s interpr. valid but not really, well, sometimes. 10:30  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  239.   #229, David Teich the space cadet of Ockam strikes again 10:33  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  240.   #229, David Teich`s, last straw & Rosner`s last single line. 10:36  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  241.   Notice Z just can`t do it, p1 13:11  |  David Teich 19/10/07
  242.   Notice Z just can`t do it, p2 13:19  |  David Teich 19/10/07
  243.   #241, David Teich. Is this also a "spam"? 13:50  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  244.   #242,David Teich. Uneasy history of ZOA`s & D`s interpretation(s) 19:20  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  245.   #242, David Teich. Two paragraphs? Me too 19:30  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  246.   #242, David Teich. Full text? Me too 19:38  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  247.   #242, David Teich. Hey, where`s the foundation stone of your 19:58  |  zmogus 19/10/07
  248.   Poor Z, can`t even figure out his own text, p1 (2nd try) 16:25  |  DAvid Teich 22/10/07
  249.   Poor Z, can`t even figure out his own text, p2 (2nd try) 16:25  |  David Teich 22/10/07
  250.   Poor Z, can`t even figure out his own text, p3 (2nd try) 16:26  |  David Teich 22/10/07
  251.   #248, David Teich. Maybe it`s curable? 18:22  |  zmogus 22/10/07
  252.   #248, Was I responding to the conversation between David & Teich? 19:04  |  zmogus 22/10/07
  253.   #248, David Teich. What is the context for you today? 19:17  |  zmogus 22/10/07
  254.   #249, David Teich, accomplished in typing the word "Typing" 13:24  |  zmogus 23/10/07
  255.   Z: Yes, you`re sad proof reality is `curable`, p2 14:20  |  David Teich 23/10/07
  256.   #249,Teich. The Ultimate Guide for the Ultimately Perplexed 1. 15:24  |  zmogus 23/10/07
  257.   #249,Teich. The Ultimate Guide for the Ultimately Perplexed 2. 15:55  |  zmogus 23/10/07
  258.   #249, David Teich. Correlation doesn`t imply causation 17:56  |  zmogus 23/10/07
  259.   #249,Teich I want to be the first to learn on the new rationality 19:47  |  zmogus 23/10/07
  260.   Tutu the real fellow. 12:07  |  Stephen 25/10/07
  261.   Z: Yes, you`re sad proof reality is `curable`, p1 (3rd try) 13:08  |  David Teich 25/10/07
  262.   Z: Wow, I can`t get p1 posted and you`re still spamming, p1 13:20  |  David Teich 25/10/07
  263.   Z: Wow, I can`t get p1 posted and you`re still spamming, p2 13:26  |  David Teich 25/10/07
  264.   Z: Wow, I can`t get p1 posted and you`re still spamming, p3 13:30  |  David Teich 25/10/07
  265.   #250, David & Teich. Some methodology before you guys continue 16:03  |  zmogus 25/10/07
  266.   #250, David Teich. Congress as a "just a pawn of Jews" 1. 16:32  |  zmogus 25/10/07
  267.   #250, David Teich. Congress as a "just a pawn of Jews" 2. 17:36  |  zmogus 25/10/07
  268.   #250,"Simple flow" of Tutu`s speech and "Simple flaw" of Teich`s 19:10  |  zmogus 25/10/07
  269.   #249, Davis Teich. You`re surely better off w/o explanation, eh? 19:12  |  zmogus 25/10/07
  270.   #261, David Teich`s first paragraph. You asked for this 16:30  |  zmogus 26/10/07
  271.   #261, David Teich NP, then just say "I was wrong with ellipsis" 17:31  |  zmogus 26/10/07
  272.   #261: Arbitrating between David and Teich. 18:23  |  zmogus 26/10/07
  273.   #255, David Teich, Oh can you check your history yourself? 18:51  |  zmogus 26/10/07
  274.   #255, David, are you again on separate forum with Teich? 19:13  |  zmogus 26/10/07
  275.   #262, David Teich. Before "Razor" slips of your tongue again... 13:26  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  276.   #262, David Teich. I can like your notion of "segue". 1. 14:45  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  277.   #262, David Teich. I can like your notion of "segue". 2. 15:27  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  278.   #262, David Teich. I can like your notion of "segue". 3. 16:13  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  279.   #262, David Teich. I can like your notion of "segue". 4. 17:04  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  280.   #262, David Teich. Brackets or ellipsis? 17:42  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  281.   #262, David Teich and ""antisemitic" lies" 18:14  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  282.   #263, David & Teich & the hypothetical link between them 19:23  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  283.   #263,Teich.Oh, "logical analysis implies causation"? Oh I see now 20:03  |  zmogus 29/10/07
  284.   Z: My child, get a grip, p1 14:34  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  285.   Z: My child, get a grip, p2 14:41  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  286.   Z: My child, get a grip, p3 14:48  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  287.   Z: My child, get a grip, p4 14:57  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  288.   Z: My child, get a grip, p5 15:03  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  289.   Z: My child, get a grip, p6 15:14  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  290.   Z: My child, get a grip, p7 15:19  |  David Teich 31/10/07
  291.   #284, David Teich. You make `Zionist cause` posters blush 15:10  |  zmogus 05/11/07
  292.   #285, David Teich. Shovelling your fragments into one place 18:50  |  zmogus 05/11/07
  293.   #285, David Teich. Wanna good or bad news first? 20:10  |  zmogus 05/11/07
  294.   #285, Teich: "I quoted from his text". Clear cut schizophrenia 12:22  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  295.   #285, Teich. Z not answering D`s questions or D`s own answer? 14:34  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  296.   Zmogus the unoriginal returns, p1 16:00  |  David Teich 06/11/07
  297.   #286, David Teich just dealt a mortal blow to his opponent.... 16:05  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  298.   Zmogus the unoriginal returns, p2 16:10  |  David Teich 06/11/07
  299.   Zmogus the unoriginal returns, p3 16:16  |  David Teich 06/11/07
  300.   297: Zmogus, as ignorant about everything else 16:24  |  David Teich 06/11/07
  301.   #286, David Teich. Am I responding to your echolalia symptoms? 1. 16:46  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  302.   #286, David Teich. Am I responding to your echolalia symptoms? 2. 17:38  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  303.   #287, Communication breakdown between David & Teich. Again. 18:08  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  304.   #287, David Teich. "Semantically nil" as a form of acquiescing 19:15  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  305.   #288, David Teich`s con-tra-ar-gu-ment. 19:53  |  zmogus 06/11/07
  306.   Ahhh, Z, couldn`t avoid the spam, could you? p1 13:17  |  David Teich 08/11/07
  307.   Ahhh, Z, couldn`t avoid the spam, could you? p2 13:24  |  David Teich 08/11/07
  308.   #288, David Teich`s extent of ar-gu-ment. Sorry, intent. 14:59  |  zmogus 08/11/07
  309.   #289, Educating David Teich again: 1. 19:16  |  zmogus 08/11/07
  310.   #289, David Teich. Explaining again: 2. 20:10  |  zmogus 08/11/07
  311.   #288, David Teich`s extent of ar-gu-ment. Sorry, intent. 2. 12:15  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  312.   #288, David Teich`s extent of ar-gu-ment. Sorry, intent. 2. 12:15  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  313.   #288, Teich. Now this pearl is DT`s all time record. 12:17  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  314.   #288, David Teich. Did you check out other possible reasons? 12:19  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  315.   #287, David Teich struggling with reading problem. Again. 12:21  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  316.   #287, David Teich can`t split with ZOA. Again. 12:21  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  317.   #289. Ockam-Razing David Teich`s other snippets 12:53  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  318.   #290, David Teich. Helping to trace the whole argumentative chain 13:35  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  319.   #290, David Teich`s original question answered once again 14:11  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  320.   #296 Teich shuts the "wider community" with his royal gesture 15:38  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  321.   #296, David Teich`s pearl of pearls in theorem-baking 17:13  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  322.   #296, Teich`s imagined semantic leaps defying gravity of syntax 18:23  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  323.   #298, Ockham-Razing more David Teich`s tails. 20:03  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  324.   #298, David Teich bumps into "verbal context" obstacle. Again. 20:46  |  zmogus 09/11/07
  325.   #299, David Teich. `Tutu means what others regularly say`? 16:42  |  zmogus 12/11/07
  326.   #299, David Teich. Explicit vs implicit meanings 1. 17:24  |  zmogus 12/11/07
  327.   #299, David Teich. Explicit vs implicit meanings 2. 18:04  |  zmogus 12/11/07
  328.   #299, If David Teich "would ape" an ape.... 18:30  |  zmogus 12/11/07
  329.   #300, David Teich remembers his first thrill 18:51  |  zmogus 13/11/07
  330.   #300, David Teich. A case in point. 19:45  |  zmogus 13/11/07
  331.   #300, David Teich. New Wiki truncation, the same case in point. 17:38  |  zmogus 16/11/07
  332.   #306,Teich.Wiki no more good when short of support to your claim? 19:12  |  zmogus 16/11/07
  333.   tutu 08:18  |  mystic 19/09/08
  334.   Sad End 20:39  |  Ricky Joe 19/09/08


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