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Posted: June 22, 2007

Is there an alternative to a Palestinian state?

Weekend column, shortened version. The full story (with Aluf Benn) is here.

Abbas

On the eve of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's arrival in Washington, the Americans were hearing a new tune from the Fatah leadership in Ramallah. "He's changed," a close associate of the chairman said. "He has a determination that I haven't seen before," explained another. State Department officials chose to believe them, mainly because they had no choice.

A U.S. official admitted in a brief conversation that "the Hamas takeover of Gaza was not a positive development." His statement was an exception to the rule, however. Most of the time the Israelis and the Americans implied that this was the best of all possible worlds, using terms like "an opportunity" and "a better future." There was a certain degree of pretending, but their words also reflected a genuine mood. The new situation has simply introduced a degree of clarity into an unclear situation. "It has given us something to do, something to work with," the official said. It's easier when the world is divided into good guys and bad guys.

Olmert

In a press briefing at Blair House after his meeting with Bush, Olmert proved that he has taken on the lessons of the Winograd interim report. The committee criticized him for the detailed goals he had announced at the outset of the Second Lebanon War, which were unattainable. The collapse of his West Bank convergence plan taught him that it is easy to make declarations and hard to carry them out. The result is that Olmert is now unwilling to commit himself publicly to anything.

The frustrated journalists try to squeeze a headline out of what Olmert did not say. For example: "The prisoners are always on the agenda, and it is clear that Abu Mazen [Abbas] is not responsible for Gilad Shalit." What does this mean? Does it mean that he will release Palestinian prisoners to Abbas without waiting for the return of the abducted Israeli soldier? And what about Marwan Barghouti? "We are not dealing at the moment with any particular prisoner." Such vague statements leave Olmert freedom of movement, without making any promises.

Bush

Bush and Olmert conducted the most effective propaganda show possible under the present circumstances. Olmert looked as though he wanted a Palestinian state even more than the Palestinians themselves, do and Bush appeared to believe in the two-state vision even more than the Israelis and the Palestinians. But in conversations within the U.S. and Israel this week, we heard doubts that go beyond questions of timing to those of substance: Is the idea of an independent Palestinian state still valid?

Bush committed himself to this idea in his 2002 speech. But for the professionals, the analysts and the assessors, the events in Gaza afford a new window of opportunity to deal with scenarios that in ordinary times cannot even be mentioned. Words such as "confederation," to describe a possible relationship between a West Bank Palestine and Jordan, or even "autonomy," enjoying the trappings of nationalism without independence, are again being whispered over the water cooler. They can be viewed as part of the search for a solution, but also as a whip being held over the head of the hesitant Abbas: The Bush administration is committed to the Bush vision, but the next administration could choose another path.

Envoy

Senator Diane Feinstein of California and several Senate colleagues, including Democrats such as Christopher Dodd (Connecticut) and Republicans such as Richard Lugar (Indiana) and Chuck Hagel (Nebraska) have introduced a resolution reaffirming the Senate's commitment to a two-state resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The resolution requires no action on the part of the administration. Its value is as a declaration of principles.

Nevertheless, it places an interesting subject on the agenda: The president must "consider appointing a Special Envoy for Middle East Peace," the resolution states. This is a diplomatic tool that has become a cliche, an envoy in the guise of a messiah. A senior Israeli diplomatic source suggested this week that "any Democratic administration that is elected in 2008 will appoint a special envoy for the peace process. It has become such an accepted slogan in the party that no Democratic president will be able to avoid it." It is certainly possible that even a Republican administration will choose to appoint such an envoy, if only to head off criticism about the lack of one. Israel will have to welcome this personage warmly.

  1.   Is there an alternative to a Palestinian state? No 08:00  |  Natallie Durson 22/06/07
  2.   Nonsense 10:01  |  Macabee 22/06/07
  3.   Why...? 10:38  |  Marco 22/06/07
  4.   Macabe... Umm not exactly... 10:39  |  Nijim 22/06/07
  5.   GAZA & WESTJORDAN 11:45  |  Kooky Dennt 22/06/07
  6.   of course there is... 13:13  |  ravi 22/06/07
  7.   Senators violate religion 1st Admen. of Constitution 13:47  |  sam 22/06/07
  8.   "Autonomy" 15:04  |  Jeremiah 22/06/07
  9.   Alternative to PA State 15:27  |  Galit 22/06/07
  10.   Ravi, I agree in that it should be one consolidated land. However 15:47  |  Virginia 22/06/07
  11.   Who can govern a palestinian state? 16:11  |  Walter 22/06/07
  12.   YES 16:34  |  Ian 22/06/07
  13.   There is no alternative BUT 16:37  |  Gene 22/06/07
  14.   ONE STATE ONLY 16:44  |  Mr. One State 22/06/07
  15.   The only `alternative.` 16:46  |  Mark Lincoln 22/06/07
  16.   TRANSFER. 16:53  |  Fred Michaelsberg 22/06/07
  17.   an alternative 16:53  |  Shmuelshachor 22/06/07
  18.   Israel committed itself at Oslo - so what`s the issue? 16:54  |  Don Camillo 22/06/07
  19.   PREPOSTEROUS! Is There An Alternative To A Jewish State For You? 17:02  |  Proud Pal Defender 22/06/07
  20.   1Natallie-such illusions 17:03  |  pelsar 22/06/07
  21.   "2 Macabee 17:03  |  Labhras 22/06/07
  22.   "10 Virginia 17:07  |  Labhras 22/06/07
  23.   Durson says Hamas is less violent than the Irgun! 17:08  |  Jake 22/06/07
  24.   sam you are right 17:13  |  Jake 22/06/07
  25.   Nijim, you are wrong, the Irgun commander died for Britain 17:27  |  Jake 22/06/07
  26.   5 Kooky Dennt - Fantasies 17:29  |  Mark of Lewiston 22/06/07
  27.   Is there an alternative to Natallie Durson? Yes. 17:30  |  Claudia Loria 22/06/07
  28.   7 Sam - Reread the Amendment 17:32  |  Mark of Lewiston 22/06/07
  29.   Devils that we Know,of mice and men 17:46  |  Ronnie Wolman 22/06/07
  30.   #12 Ian and strategic depth 18:04  |  abd 22/06/07
  31.   To #2 Macabe 18:08  |  Harald 22/06/07
  32.   Three state solution 18:12  |  Herbert Kaine 22/06/07
  33.   Combine Palestine and Somalia into one state! 18:31  |  Murray of Montreal 22/06/07
  34.   Time To Rerun The Palestinian Elections 18:32  |  Yosemite 22/06/07
  35.   #1 Ms Durson`s mention of lynched British soldiers 18:51  |  Ian Robertson 22/06/07
  36.   Bantustan states don`t work 18:57  |  Matt 22/06/07
  37.   Bush`s last chance for solving the Israel-Palestine conflict 18:57  |  Tosefta 22/06/07
  38.   #4 Nijim - Hotel was British Miltary Headquarters 19:00  |  sheri 22/06/07
  39.   A history lesson for Natallie Durson re King David Hotel bombing 19:04  |  Dennis the Menace 22/06/07
  40.   No Solution is a Solution 19:05  |  JOJO 22/06/07
  41.   #18 Don Camillo - Israel can`t make Olso happen 19:13  |  sheri 22/06/07
  42.   #2 Macabe`s support of the kidnapping of Shalit 19:19  |  Pablo B 22/06/07
  43.   Absolutely! There are nations, and also nation-states 19:22  |  Jason 22/06/07
  44.   There`s no reason to limit to 2 state solution 19:23  |  sheri 22/06/07
  45.   #39 Dennis the Menace, "a warning was given" 19:37  |  ballistic 22/06/07
  46.   I support Jordanian rule 19:47  |  Fahd Nawaz 22/06/07
  47.   Palestinians need unity 19:51  |  Rodefta 22/06/07
  48.   # 43 Jason 20:06  |  Axel 22/06/07
  49.   # 39 Dennis 20:09  |  Axel 22/06/07
  50.   The solution is known so long 20:11  |  Jonathan S 22/06/07
  51.   Pablo B, Gilad Shalit was kidnapped from Israeli territory 20:19  |  Jake 22/06/07
  52.   Simple solution: Every terror attack costs Palestinians more land 20:22  |  Gili 22/06/07
  53.   `35 Ian Robertson 20:27  |  Labhras 22/06/07
  54.   One mo` time! shouted the de-frocked nun... 20:37  |  tadchase 22/06/07
  55.   Fred `Mlosevic" Michaelsburg 20:39  |  Stephen Connor 22/06/07
  56.   Dennis the Menace - The King David Hotel is still murder 20:45  |  Stephen Connor 22/06/07
  57.   SHALIT 20:52  |  Stephen 22/06/07
  58.   Legality with Shalit (Jake #51; re Pablo) 20:55  |  Tosefta 22/06/07
  59.   #52 "simple solution" 21:01  |  Sharonelle 22/06/07
  60.   #53, Ian Roberts 21:04  |  Sharonelle 22/06/07
  61.   #35 Ian Robertson and Durson 21:14  |  Don Camillo 22/06/07
  62.   YES; 21:33  |  Dr David I. Gross 22/06/07
  63.   #53 Labhras-The lynching 21:40  |  Ian Robertson 22/06/07
  64.   # 38 sheri 22:01  |  Axel 22/06/07
  65.   #61 NOT ONLY THE CAMILLO BUT THE FACTS 22:12  |  paul harris 22/06/07
  66.   Is a Palestinian state viable? No. 22:21  |  Joe 22/06/07
  67.   Rosner`s recent articles describing the US govt are exact 22:23  |  Hal 22/06/07
  68.   To Axel 22:47  |  Jason 22/06/07
  69.   ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA TO EGYPT, W.BANK PARTITIONED WITH JORDAN 22:56  |  MG 22/06/07
  70.   Axel - Germany 23:15  |  Tom 22/06/07
  71.   Yes, A Binational State where Jews and Palestinians are ..... 23:30  |  Ben Ali 22/06/07
  72.   like cowboys and Indians 23:36  |  goyboy 22/06/07
  73.   Illegal Hashemite Kingdom Is The True Palestinian State 23:36  |  Yoram 22/06/07
  74.   #62. dr. DIG, you forgot something else." PALS. 2 PALESTINE. 23:36  |  M.D. 22/06/07
  75.   #33.Certainly Murray 23:40  |  Ian Robinson 22/06/07
  76.   No Acceptable Alternative 23:41  |  Jane 22/06/07
  77.   Yes there is an alternative 23:50  |  peter 22/06/07
  78.   Yes! The Alternative Is the Three-State Solution 23:52  |  Jeff Northridge 22/06/07
  79.   #23, Jake. 00:00  |  zmogus 23/06/07
  80.   Palestinian state 00:05  |  P. J. Casey 23/06/07
  81.   # 65 tom 00:08  |  Axel 23/06/07
  82.   #2 00:15  |  P. J. Casey 23/06/07
  83.   10 Virginia, who told you God`s will? 00:47  |  Davids 23/06/07
  84.   # 22 Labhras, Why are you asking me? Take it up with Him. 00:50  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  85.   You Know What? 00:57  |  Yosemite 23/06/07
  86.   Try Parity for Peace: Two States on the Same Land 00:57  |  Esther 23/06/07
  87.   #72 Peter; boy, your plan sounds like a dream 00:57  |  ballistic 23/06/07
  88.   #68 Yoram; let`s not get into fallacies! 01:00  |  ballistic 23/06/07
  89.   Stick with practical points 01:04  |  Davids 23/06/07
  90.   M.D. have you opend a history book? 01:20  |  Dr David I. Gross 23/06/07
  91.   #50 Jonathan S, Hurrah for the King of Jordan!!! 01:23  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  92.   Yes, A proud strong Jewish state on all our land! 01:28  |  Chaim 23/06/07
  93.   O.K. goyboy, are you talkin pink hats or what? 01:29  |  ???? 23/06/07
  94.   the more immediate question is 01:52  |  stork 23/06/07
  95.   Macabee 02:20  |  John 23/06/07
  96.   There`s a great alternative -- its called "No Palestinian State" 02:28  |  Dr. L. Brnd 23/06/07
  97.   Kooky #5, that was wrong 02:31  |  Irish Sensation 23/06/07
  98.   Walter #11 that sounds fair but... 02:34  |  Palestinian Prince 23/06/07
  99.   Remember!! 02:37  |  John 23/06/07
  100.   Macabee #2 02:38  |  JJ 23/06/07
  101.   # 78 Davids, In answer to your questions/statements 02:39  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  102.   #84- Your Bad Sense of History 02:44  |  Yoram 23/06/07
  103.   "From the ashes, we CAN build another day" 02:55  |  Moody Blues 23/06/07
  104.   Esther #82 02:57  |  GABE 1 23/06/07
  105.   peter of Montreal #73 03:08  |  GABE 1 23/06/07
  106.   Jane of Palm Beach 03:17  |  GABE1 23/06/07
  107.   And this "Union of Blessing" to be governed by... 03:40  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  108.   Can anyone see the logic? Make the trouble makers part of the 03:47  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  109.   You want competition? Let`s make it a contest. 03:52  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  110.   This all a result 03:55  |  Shlomo 23/06/07
  111.   #102 Yoram, I give up? You tell me. I always appreciate a good 04:10  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  112.   Is there an alternative to a Palestinian State? 04:14  |  A. A. Nayani 23/06/07
  113.   Shlomo, The Iron Wall policies were a result of what? 04:15  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  114.   # 96 Beatifully said could`t agree more 04:17  |  misha 23/06/07
  115.   @52, gili, i recomended almost the same solution 20 years ago 04:48  |  vladimir 23/06/07
  116.   So Many A. Najads In Here 05:33  |  Clickfan 23/06/07
  117.   It would be awesome to see each of the different cultures express 06:11  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  118.   Post #38 - Half Ass Backwards 06:20  |  Double Click 23/06/07
  119.   #62 - A Balanced Viewpoint 06:37  |  Double Click 23/06/07
  120.   Ben Ali-# 71-A binational state? 07:54  |  Daniel Leopold 23/06/07
  121.   Divide the West Bank between Israel and Jordan 09:03  |  peter 23/06/07
  122.   # 85, YOSEMITE 09:23  |  indrajaya 23/06/07
  123.   Is there an alternative to a Palestinian state? 10:53  |  NotAmused 23/06/07
  124.   There is already an Arab state in Palestine 11:36  |  realist 23/06/07
  125.   the sense of history 11:58  |  basha 23/06/07
  126.   Macabee 12:54  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  127.   Labhras, you answered my question to Macabee.... 12:56  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  128.   And, Macabee, what about this.... 12:58  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  129.   Ian Robertson 12:59  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  130.   Right, ballistic... 13:02  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  131.   Gil, here`s another simple solution.... 13:05  |  Silvienne 23/06/07
  132.   Palestinian State? YES 13:46  |  Dr D 23/06/07
  133.   Yes for two states 14:19  |  ChrisBerlin 23/06/07
  134.   #43, Jason. A first-half-19th-c-European talk? 14:40  |  zmogus 23/06/07
  135.   #96, Dr. L. Brnd. Oh, sure it`s no more radical... 15:11  |  Dr. zmogus 23/06/07
  136.   This is the Palestinian state. 15:16  |  JIA 23/06/07
  137.   How to make peace/Or is Peace possible. 16:07  |  GABE1 23/06/07
  138.   the sense of (post 1948) history 16:07  |  Smearnov 23/06/07
  139.   Dr D. 16:16  |  GABE1 23/06/07
  140.   Yoram 102, cont. fm 111, Not such a good lesson. 16:23  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  141.   According to the illegal colonization of the Pali territories 16:57  |  A Bethlehemite 23/06/07
  142.   #10 Virginia 16:57  |  Boycott 23/06/07
  143.   Dennis the Menace 17:07  |  Mark Lincoln 23/06/07
  144.   What occupied territories? The Big lie. 17:07  |  Nechama 23/06/07
  145.   The alternatives to a Palestinian State 17:14  |  Mark Lincoln 23/06/07
  146.   Wrong question 17:21  |  Earthling 23/06/07
  147.   3 state solution at best 17:34  |  matt 23/06/07
  148.   #145 Mark Lincoln - 4th Alternative 17:38  |  JIA 23/06/07
  149.   to A.Nayani: what`s in a name? 17:38  |  Earthling 23/06/07
  150.   Gabe1- think about it 17:45  |  peter 23/06/07
  151.   ballistic fool 17:49  |  peter 23/06/07
  152.   #144 - Nechama - International law 18:12  |  A Bethlehemite 23/06/07
  153.   # 143 Boycott, Was any of the land that became Israel in 1948 not 18:13  |  Virginia 23/06/07
  154.   Nat knows it all 18:16  |  twogunz 23/06/07
  155.   peter of Montreal #150 18:38  |  GABE1 23/06/07
  156.   # 137 GABE 1, I have a solution for you..... 19:10  |  Swiss (Dino) 23/06/07
  157.   Natalie- you just hit the nail on top of the head 19:10  |  Avrum 23/06/07
  158.   Dino the Swiss cheese guy. 20:06  |  GABE1 23/06/07
  159.   #153 Virginia 20:33  |  Boycott 23/06/07
  160.   Gabe1- it`s why I propose a Province 20:58  |  peter 23/06/07
  161.   arabist apologists navel gazing 21:05  |  peter 23/06/07
  162.   Gaza = Egypt 21:05  |  Bill 23/06/07
  163.   JIA - that is even less possible than #2 21:11  |  Mark Lincoln 23/06/07
  164.   Earthling`s down to Earth question 21:16  |  Mark Lincoln 23/06/07
  165.   Good idea Rodefta...#47 21:52  |  Karl 23/06/07
  166.   # 158 GABE 1 "Why....???" 21:58  |  Swiss (Dino) 23/06/07
  167.   # 68 Jason 22:28  |  Axel 23/06/07
  168.   126 Silvienne: Hagannah 22:49  |  KUTW 23/06/07
  169.   128. Silvienne: what about this....? 22:59  |  KUTW 23/06/07
  170.   In short 23:17  |  Bob 23/06/07
  171.   KUTW Hagannah and terrorism 23:42  |  Mark Lincoln 23/06/07
  172.   Don Cammillo the issue is this 00:17  |  Zebulonguy 24/06/07
  173.   171. Mark Lincoln: KUTW Hagannah and terrorism 00:30  |  KUTW 24/06/07
  174.   130 Silvienne 00:39  |  KUTW 24/06/07
  175.   Dino the Swiss cheese guy 01:29  |  GABE1 24/06/07
  176.   alternative to Gaza 01:36  |  ghazawi 24/06/07
  177.   peter of Montreal #160 02:12  |  GABE! 24/06/07
  178.   #163 Mark Lincoln 02:24  |  JIA 24/06/07
  179.   hehe ghazawi 02:28  |  peter 24/06/07
  180.   Mark Lincoln # 15 02:43  |  Philippe 24/06/07
  181.   Gabe- forget gaza 02:44  |  peter 24/06/07
  182.   Fahd Nawaz # 46 02:46  |  Philippe 24/06/07
  183.   Gabe-forget gaza 2 02:49  |  peter 24/06/07
  184.   Ben Ali # 71 02:52  |  Philippe 24/06/07
  185.   british soldiers 1948 02:54  |  lorne 24/06/07
  186.   Swiss (Dino) # 166 03:01  |  Philippe 24/06/07
  187.   divide and conquer 03:08  |  yerachmiel 24/06/07
  188.   Yes: One Jewish-Arab State 03:08  |  Jack 24/06/07
  189.   Ben Ali #71, How dare you?!?! 03:13  |  Yohann 24/06/07
  190.   TO GABE 1 ASK THEM "WHAT`S IN IT FOR US"?? 03:22  |  JON FEIGENBAUM 24/06/07
  191.   Peculiar title of boycotters boycotting themselves 03:32  |  Hannah 24/06/07
  192.   Let`s get real! 03:37  |  Ben Azai 24/06/07
  193.   Peter Of Montreal #179 04:57  |  GABE 1 24/06/07
  194.   Jon Feigenbaum #186 05:05  |  GABE1 24/06/07
  195.   Peaceful Palestinian 05:26  |  Rick L 24/06/07
  196.   Axel 05:43  |  Jason 24/06/07
  197.   Oh Please 05:43  |  Danite 24/06/07
  198.   KUTW Hagannah 05:44  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  199.   KUTW 05:46  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  200.   KUTW Hagannah 05:49  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  201.   Justice 05:50  |  Ya`akov Ben-Israel 24/06/07
  202.   Yes, KUTW, what about all this...? 05:52  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  203.   To A Bethlehemite... 05:55  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  204.   #195 Rick L 06:55  |  Silvienne@sbcglobal. 24/06/07
  205.   Indrajaya Re: The Real Footnotes Of History! 07:48  |  Yosemite 24/06/07
  206.   The Real Truth Indrajaya 08:01  |  Yosemite 24/06/07
  207.   # 186 Philippe 08:31  |  Swiss (Dino) 24/06/07
  208.   #1 Is there an alternative to a Palestinian state? 08:52  |  Wiktor 24/06/07
  209.   32 Herb Kaine - Hebron, West Jordan? 09:26  |  Mark of Lewiston 24/06/07
  210.   Swiss (Dino) 09:33  |  Philippe 24/06/07
  211.   # 210 Philippe 09:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 24/06/07
  212.   #206, Yosemite 10:09  |  Silvienne 24/06/07
  213.   #151 Say Peter; if you are so concerned 13:10  |  ballistic 24/06/07
  214.   To 190: Jon: Yes Indeed 17:00  |  Dave Levy 24/06/07
  215.   Alternative to a Palistinian state 19:01  |  M 24/06/07
  216.   #126 Silvienne 19:05  |  Harald 24/06/07
  217.   Uhh yeah, a Jewish state 19:23  |  Aviva 24/06/07
  218.   198. Silvienne: Hagannah 20:18  |  KUTW 24/06/07
  219.   199 Silvienne: the solution 20:23  |  KUTW 24/06/07
  220.   202. Silvienne: what about all this...? 20:28  |  KUTW 24/06/07
  221.   Indrajaya Your Hardline Friends... 21:51  |  Yosemite 24/06/07
  222.   ballistic- eat this 00:50  |  peter 25/06/07
  223.   #12, Ian - The PNC 1919 demanded an indepnedand Palestinian state 02:44  |  A Bethlehemite 25/06/07
  224.   22 Arab States Are alternatives - first Jordan 02:58  |  Rafi 25/06/07
  225.   The hanging of the two British soldiers part 1 03:40  |  EGW 25/06/07
  226.   Hanging of the 2 British Sergeants (contd)#2 03:53  |  EGW 25/06/07
  227.   The proof is in the pudding 16:46  |  ARA 25/06/07
  228.   # 170 Bob, You are very wise to speak to each in their own 20:09  |  Virginia 25/06/07
  229.   It is called the ocean! 21:02  |  David 25/06/07
  230.   #242 rafi 22:10  |  Axel 25/06/07
  231.   #1 Natallie, So hammas is not as violent as 01:29  |  TOMY 26/06/07
  232.   Palestine as state will never hapen because 01:44  |  TOMY 26/06/07
  233.   Tomy to Natalie... 03:37  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  234.   To Peter 03:42  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  235.   KUTW 03:46  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  236.   KUTW 03:50  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  237.   KUTW, you are making up my posts for me... 03:57  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  238.   Tomy 04:00  |  Silvienne 26/06/07
  239.   We should have asked this question about a Jewish state in 1948 08:08  |  Dutch 26/06/07
  240.   #1natalie durson 13:01  |  solemnman 26/06/07
  241.   # 238,Silvienne, so I hope you understand 17:06  |  TOMY 26/06/07
  242.   Chap.21 Genesis Chap 21:10 , Bereishit Parasha: Vayera 22:26  |  Joseph E . 26/06/07
  243.   Dutch - A bizarre view of reality 23:59  |  Michael Jacobs 26/06/07
  244.   Michael Jacobs...you are surely joking... 02:37  |  Silvienne 27/06/07
  245.   Joseph E and bible quotations 02:40  |  Silvienne 27/06/07
  246.   #241 Tomy....I`d like to see a Palestinian.... 02:41  |  Silvienne 27/06/07
  247.   Silvienne - Collateral Damage as Intent 10:20  |  Michael Jacob 27/06/07
  248.   #246, Silvienne, Many palis would love to live 16:14  |  TOMY 27/06/07
  249.   Cut off aid to Israel 20:07  |  Shlomo Shunn 27/06/07
  250.   Michael Jacob...we see a different "difference" 04:14  |  Silvienne 28/06/07
  251.   Tomy, I can`t agree with you.... 04:16  |  Silvienne 28/06/07
  252.   #249 Shlomo Shunn 04:18  |  Silvienne 28/06/07
  253.   Silvienne - Bad Losers 08:30  |  Michael Jacobs 28/06/07
  254.   Michael Jacobs 02:12  |  Silvienne 29/06/07
  255.   Silvienne - Israel is doing remarkably well 10:04  |  Michael Jacobs 29/06/07
  256.   Shlomo Shunn - Off the mark 10:20  |  Michael Jacobs 29/06/07
  257.   Michael Jacobs 02:04  |  Silvienne 30/06/07
  258.   On the mark, Michael Jacobs 02:07  |  Silvienne 30/06/07
  259.   Silvienne - An attitude of zero tolerance 10:53  |  Michael Jacobs 30/06/07
  260.   Michael Jacobs 08:58  |  Silvienne 01/07/07
  261.   Silvienne - Arab honor vs. Jewish lives 00:53  |  Michael Jacobs 02/07/07
  262.   Michael Jacobs-You are assuming far too much, 05:45  |  Silvienne 03/07/07
  263.   Silvienne - Try to be less gullible! 08:21  |  Michael Jacobs 03/07/07
  264.   #263, Michael Jacobs.... 09:43  |  Silvienne 04/07/07
  265.   Silvienne - Palestine, an unacceptable dream 04:24  |  Michael Jacobs 05/07/07
  266.   My "irresponsible dream" of a free Palestinian state.... 04:42  |  Silvienne 05/07/07
  267.   Silvienne - The Arabs` dismal failure 05:57  |  Michael Jacobs 05/07/07
  268.   #267, Michael Jacobs... 02:39  |  Silvienne 06/07/07
  269.   Silvienne - Arabs are occupied by their obsession 08:38  |  Michael Jacobs 06/07/07
  270.   #269, Michael Jacobs... 00:50  |  Silvienne 07/07/07
  271.   Silvienne - The Arabs must decide 03:04  |  Michael Jacobs 07/07/07
  272.   Michel, well, firstly.... 06:54  |  Silvienne 07/07/07
  273.   Silvienne - For Arabs, peace is a mystery 09:24  |  Michael Jacobs 07/07/07
  274.   #273, Michael Jacobs... 09:11  |  Silvienne 08/07/07
  275.   Silvienne - Emotionally charged half-truths 00:57  |  Michael Jacobs 09/07/07
  276.   Michael, Oh, but how I wish.... 04:14  |  Silvienne 09/07/07
  277.   Michael, the 2nd... 04:24  |  Silvienne 09/07/07
  278.   Silvienne - Harassment or necessity? 07:31  |  Michael Jacobs 09/07/07
  279.   Immigration... 22:52  |  Silvienne 09/07/07
  280.   Silvienne - Mexico and the Palestinian Arabs 00:01  |  Michael Jacobs 10/07/07
  281.   Michael, this Talkback is yours and mine! 04:44  |  Silvienne 10/07/07
  282.   Silvienne - Compassion is not a religion 08:33  |  Michael Jacobs 10/07/07
  283.   Well, Michael...I don`t know about that... 00:58  |  Silvienne 12/07/07
  284.   Silvienne - Arabs have a creed, too 02:43  |  Michael Jacobs 12/07/07
  285.   Michael Jacobs... 07:24  |  Silvienne 14/07/07
  286.   Silvienne - Brutally simple 10:19  |  Michael Jacobs 14/07/07
  287.   Michael, don`t agree with you about this... 05:03  |  Silvienne 15/07/07
  288.   Silvienne - A preference for mayhem? 08:04  |  Michael Jacobs 15/07/07
  289.   Michael..no, that I didn`t do.... 10:03  |  Silvienne 15/07/07
  290.   Silvienne - Winning the struggle 14:04  |  Michael Jacobs 15/07/07
  291.   Michael, that was a good 2 last sentences... 20:06  |  Silvienne 15/07/07
  292.   Silvienne - Keep reading 21:49  |  Michael Jacobs 15/07/07
  293.   Michael, reading and learning.... 03:02  |  Silvienne 16/07/07
  294.   Silvienne - The challenge: to combine morality with survival 08:07  |  Michael Jacobs 16/07/07
  295.   Michael, I think it is an interesting.... 00:39  |  Silvienne 17/07/07
  296.   Silvienne - Criticism of Israel is considered `normal` 02:20  |  Michael Jacobs 17/07/07
  297.   Michael, is this really where criticism.... 06:28  |  Silvienne 19/07/07
  298.   Silvienne - Societies with an antisemitic culture 09:37  |  Michael Jacobs 19/07/07
  299.   Michael, I would say.... 04:08  |  Silvienne 22/07/07
  300.   Silvienne - A persistent bias? 06:01  |  Michael Jacobs 22/07/07
  301.   Michael, I don`t think I`m prejudiced... 07:11  |  Silvienne 24/07/07
  302.   Silvienne - Blurred by a principle? 10:03  |  Michael Jacobs 24/07/07
  303.   Michael; the British always favour the underdog... 08:35  |  Silvienne 27/07/07
  304.   Silvienne - No to meager standards 14:25  |  Michael Jacobs 27/07/07
  305.   Hello Michael... 07:13  |  Silvienne 31/07/07
  306.   Silvienne - Nobody owes these people anything 00:39  |  Michael Jacobs 01/08/07
  307.   Well, we do have a problem on our border.... 07:12  |  Silvienne 01/08/07
  308.   Silvienne - A tribal, maffia-like society 22:00  |  Michael Jacobs 01/08/07
  309.   Michael, all this might well be true... 03:35  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  310.   Silvienne - False brokers 11:51  |  Michael Jacobs 06/08/07
  311.   Michael..then what should happen to the Palestinians? 22:22  |  Silvienne 06/08/07
  312.   Silvienne - Good luck 23:41  |  Michael Jacobs 06/08/07
  313.   Michael...if I could, I would... 05:18  |  Silvienne 08/08/07


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