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Posted: May 22, 2007

With friends like Jerry Falwell...

1.

"It is my belief that the Bible Belt in America is Israel's only safety belt right now", reverend Jerry Falwell famously said back in 2002. this might have been an overstatement, but the kernel of truth behind it was obvious to everyone. Evangelical Christians of the South became one of the most important groups supporting Israel in the United States and elsewhere. That's why the Israeli Embassy in Washington was looking yesterday for someone to attend Falwell's funeral. The problem, apparently, was technical: how can one attend the event and be able to be back in time for the Jewish holyday of Shavuot? Whether they'll find someone or not, one thing is clear: showing respect to the passing reverend was accepted as necessary. Falwell, with all the controversy surrounding him, will be remembered by Israel as a friend.

2.

People working for Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, president of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and goodwill Ambassador of the state of Israel within the evangelical community, didn't know yesterday where exactly he will be staying for the holyday. They did know one thing for sure: he will attend the funeral. "I am honored to represent the State of Israel at the farewell to this great man and important figure," Eckstein said. He was going to travel anyway, but the request of Salai Meridor, Israel's Ambassador in Washington that he'll be an official representative of Israel in this event made it even more certain. And Eckstein has no doubts: "There were those who remained skeptical of Rev. Falwell's support... I am happy to say that he managed to win over many of his skeptics through the consistency and obviously genuine quality of his love for Israel and the Jewish people."

3.

Reading the statement from some liberal Jewish leaders following the death of Falwell was quite fascinating. Maybe Eckstein is right, and Falwell did manage to win over many skeptics. "I admired Reverend Falwell's understanding that despite our differences, there were areas of agreement between us, above all our deep and profound commitment to the safety and well-being of the State of Israel," said Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the Union for Reform Judaism. Yoffie was well received last year when he spoke to the students at Falwell's Liberty University. The realization that new ways should be found to better communicate with the Falwell/Robertson/Hagee Party is shared by many Jewish leaders. Why? Here's one reason, articulated by Zev Chafets, author of A Match Made in Heaven: "The present generation of conservative Evangelical leadership? are unconditional Zionists... But evangelicals are human. They may love Israel but it doesn't mean they love being mocked, denounced and generally despised by the intellectual/political elite." Jewish leaders gathered that having it both ways is impossible as a long-term policy.

4.

Suggesting that the Antichrist was a living Jewish man was probably the lowest point in the Falwell/Jewish relations. But he made many controversial comments, sometimes even outrageous. No wonder many Jews in America - people who don't just consider his views on Israel but rather his general attitudes toward the world - don't like what they see. Someone I recently talked to even argued that even as he was a true friend of Israel - he was not necessarily a true friend of the Jewish people. That's an interesting thought because it's usually the other way around: It's much easier to find people who are friendly toward the American Jewish community but not toward Israel.

5.

Why was he such a staunch supporter of Israel? That's a debatable question. He was saying that it "helps us to complete God's covenant with the Jewish people", hinting, possibly, to a feared "apocalyptic" theology. Falwell was sometimes vague when asked about his motivations to support Israel. However, as David Brog wrote here "most evangelicals reject replacement theology, they believe that the Jews are still in covenant in God and still have a central role to play in God's plan for humanity. The Jews are, in a sense, seen as allies of the Church in bringing about the salvation of humanity, and each has a distinctive role to play." Is this what Falwell believed? One can give him the benefit of the doubt, but also admit that he was quite insistent in keeping his views on this issue somewhat incoherent.

6.

So it all comes down to the question of practicality vs. perfection, necessity vs. desire. Do you take any support one is willing to give you, or do you pick and choose only those among your supporters with whom you agree on every little detail. Back in January 2006, a feud erupted between the official Israel and Pat Robertson over his remarks that Ariel Sharon's stroke was a punishment from god for pulling Israel out of the Gaza Strip. Israel threatened to cancel a Robertson project in the Galilee Mountains - he apologized and was forgiven. What I wrote about him then perfectly fits what I feel toward Falwell today: "The real reason that this quarrel should not be overplayed by all parties is that Robertson is entitled to think that Sharon was suffering for evacuating the Gaza Strip. It might not be the most enlightened thought. Nevertheless, a belief is a belief, and as impolite this might seem, educating Robertson for his beliefs is not in Israel's business." Or interest.

  1.   god`s squad 04:52  |  cristina 22/05/07
  2.   Add on to #1 06:07  |  Nick W 22/05/07
  3.   Not speaking for, but being one of those 06:55  |  Denton 22/05/07
  4.   Let`s Put It This Way! If I Had To Walk Down A Dark Alley... 08:42  |  Yosemite 22/05/07
  5.   despicable 10:23  |  Mahealani 22/05/07
  6.   A sign of tremendous weakness 10:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/05/07
  7.   fallwell 11:05  |  miriam 22/05/07
  8.   what can I do? 12:15  |  Bob 22/05/07
  9.   Wrong reasons 13:36  |  Edith 22/05/07
  10.   To Denton in the south 14:20  |  David James Vickery 22/05/07
  11.   "Christian Zionists believe..." Generalizing is not a good thing 14:51  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  12.   generational differnences 15:18  |  Shmuel 22/05/07
  13.   #11 Anyone who 15:25  |  T A Sheppard 22/05/07
  14.   what binds americans and jews 15:26  |  mary 22/05/07
  15.   False support 16:03  |  Edith 22/05/07
  16.   # 13 TA Sheppard, Relax - God IS in control!!! 16:18  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  17.   May You Rest In Peace, Reverend Fallwell 16:20  |  massaraksh 22/05/07
  18.   Denton #3. You are badly mistaken 16:24  |  Pepe 22/05/07
  19.   Swiss ( Dino) 16:27  |  Chaval 22/05/07
  20.   As a Christian Zionist, I believe... 16:31  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  21.   Fundamentalists 16:35  |  Chaval 22/05/07
  22.   On this Shavuot, may our Awesome Creator enlarge the hearts of 17:10  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  23.   Virginia. Something here about Hagee you should know 17:26  |  Hubal 22/05/07
  24.   Once again alienating our friends 17:30  |  Bill 22/05/07
  25.   Falwell was a sick, twisted man and ....... 17:35  |  Deborah 22/05/07
  26.   CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS:BETTER THAN JEW LEFTISTS!!! 17:54  |  Avi Dror 22/05/07
  27.   Swiss 17:59  |  Danite 22/05/07
  28.   To David James Vickery, and a note to Chaval. 18:05  |  Denton 22/05/07
  29.   Remarks By Respondents Are Despicable 18:19  |  Yosemite 22/05/07
  30.   Here`s Fundamentalist `Hagee`s` take on things 18:42  |  Hubal 22/05/07
  31.   #17 That is amazing and true, if you don`t mind me quoting you... 19:05  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  32.   What you totally fail to grasp, Christian-bashers... 19:25  |  Denton 22/05/07
  33.   Hypocritical Behavior 19:40  |  J Olson 22/05/07
  34.   # 17 Danite Changing the horses...... 19:43  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/05/07
  35.   Got better friends? 19:52  |  Asylum Aleikum 22/05/07
  36.   #23 20:30  |  Bob 22/05/07
  37.   Oh my gosh!!! Lesson learned, #22 was for Danite, now 18-always 20:36  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  38.   Yurica Report roots out, lays bare America`s Zionist machinery 20:38  |  Ivar 22/05/07
  39.   321 Hagee, Robertson, Falwell are 20:38  |  T A Sheppard 22/05/07
  40.   Wow Hubal, that`s some scarry stuff!!! Sounds like we need to 20:53  |  pray for the man. 22/05/07
  41.   #22 in response 20:56  |  Bob 22/05/07
  42.   Some are annoyed at proselytizing, some even cut off heads 20:56  |  Efox 22/05/07
  43.   "Christians want to stall the end time" Absolutely, here`s why... 21:09  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  44.   # 20 Yoshemite in respone 21:22  |  Bob 22/05/07
  45.   # 29 Bob, I too have seen spiritual leaders of all brands attempt 21:41  |  Virginia 22/05/07
  46.   Bravo, Shmuel 21:42  |  MJ Rosenberg 22/05/07
  47.   Israel is pathetic 21:44  |  oracle 22/05/07
  48.   Deborah 21:51  |  Neal 22/05/07
  49.   #42 Virginia 21:52  |  Joe 22/05/07
  50.   Swiss Hello 21:59  |  Danite 22/05/07
  51.   Publish Me! 2nd Subm`n 22:07  |  stephen schwartz/ 22/05/07
  52.   He helped support Aliyah 22:09  |  Me again 22/05/07
  53.   Falwell 22:17  |  sara martindale 22/05/07
  54.   Oracle`s orifice 22:29  |  Pilly 22/05/07
  55.   The only hate in these responses is from the left 22:34  |  Michael 22/05/07
  56.   Dont Kid yourselves 23:19  |  Garba Maigoro 22/05/07
  57.   There are no True Christians 23:32  |  Garba Maigoro 22/05/07
  58.   Israel needs every friend it can get 23:39  |  Tosefta 22/05/07
  59.   # 50 Danite 23:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 22/05/07
  60.   # 52 Talking through your willy 00:17  |  Simba 23/05/07
  61.   # 49 Joe, He ALREADY has. Sorry to dissapoint you. 00:26  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  62.   Oracle, you really think Pals have all that support? 00:44  |  Jake 23/05/07
  63.   # 54 Simba, 9/11 - Who lashed out at who? Indeed, the writing is 00:46  |  Mufasa 23/05/07
  64.   Swiss Hello 00:51  |  Danite 23/05/07
  65.   Garba Maigoro, read the Hamas covenant 00:51  |  Jake 23/05/07
  66.   Tosefta 00:52  |  Danite 23/05/07
  67.   Israel`s Betrayal of the Jews 00:53  |  Jeff Halper 23/05/07
  68.   # 54 Tosefta 00:54  |  Swiss (Dino) 23/05/07
  69.   Jerry and Dennis Prager 00:55  |  Lawrence 23/05/07
  70.   Virginia needs to get out more. 01:06  |  Hubal 23/05/07
  71.   #61 Virginia 01:14  |  Joe 23/05/07
  72.   Yosemite`s sick deity.-29 01:20  |  Javier 23/05/07
  73.   why make fools of yourselves? 01:30  |  margaret 23/05/07
  74.   #3 Denton 01:34  |  margaret 23/05/07
  75.   an answer to Garba from Nigeria 01:37  |  Me again 23/05/07
  76.   Most Of These Respondents All Mixed Up 02:33  |  Yosemite 23/05/07
  77.   Invented Church peoples are replacers or seperators of Israel. 02:57  |  Yochanan 23/05/07
  78.   garba maigoro....there are true christians... 03:20  |  maria 23/05/07
  79.   The enemies speak.... 03:49  |  Webster 23/05/07
  80.   # 70 Hubal, reason this..."harmless until Messiah comes, and He 04:53  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  81.   Not much choice (Swiss #68) 04:58  |  Tosefta 23/05/07
  82.   Looking for a new home for my dog Dumbite #66 04:59  |  Tosefta 23/05/07
  83.   Joe, you must be a friend of Hubal. Same kind of sense/reasoning 05:02  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  84.   evangelicans 05:47  |  John 23/05/07
  85.   Toseftas "My Struggle" 06:02  |  Danite 23/05/07
  86.   Chaval & Hubal, read Mark 13:32-35, hear G-D`s own words not men 06:26  |  FSS 23/05/07
  87.   Misogyny and Racism? 07:18  |  Richard 23/05/07
  88.   Virginia, u r not alone. the L-rd is blessed by you. 07:29  |  FSS 23/05/07
  89.   #76, YOSEMITE 07:49  |  indrajaya 23/05/07
  90.   GOD SERVES THEIR INTEREST FIRST 08:03  |  indrajaya 23/05/07
  91.   #63 Say Jake, what are you talking about? 08:27  |  ballistic 23/05/07
  92.   #51 Say Steven re gay marriage 08:35  |  ballistic 23/05/07
  93.   Indrajaya Convert While You Still Have A Chance To... 09:12  |  Yosemite 23/05/07
  94.   #47 Oracle Is Right But For The Same Reason OJ Was Aquitted 09:26  |  Geno 23/05/07
  95.   #57-Garba M., fearful for you, repent now and be saved 09:37  |  FSS 23/05/07
  96.   Christian Zionists are the nuttiest freaks on planet earth 09:55  |  Joe 23/05/07
  97.   Strange bedfellows 10:15  |  ghostoflutherblisset 23/05/07
  98.   well then rosner; what do YOU truly think? 10:42  |  eric 23/05/07
  99.   FSS. Wrong for 2000 years and still counting.... 11:21  |  Hubal 23/05/07
  100.   You know your enemies, but ... 13:47  |  christa 23/05/07
  101.   # 88 FSS, thank you, and a blessed Shavuot to you. It saddens me 14:20  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  102.   ghostoflutherblisset, What do you believe about God? #16 is 4 U 2 14:27  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  103.   Richard #87 Equivocating? 14:42  |  Javier 23/05/07
  104.   Denton 15:02  |  Chaval 23/05/07
  105.   "Friends" NO thanks! 15:28  |  Chaval 23/05/07
  106.   FSS Questions 15:45  |  Chaval 23/05/07
  107.   # 85 RUFF-RUFF TOSEFTA (#82)! 15:56  |  Dumbite 23/05/07
  108.   Falwell a `decent ` man 16:09  |  Chaval 23/05/07
  109.   Rest in Peace Rev. Jerry Falwell 16:21  |  Psalm 23/05/07
  110.   one down a lot to go.. 16:26  |  emad matahin 23/05/07
  111.   Jewish-Christian relations 16:50  |  Josh 23/05/07
  112.   3109 RIP indeed! 17:19  |  T A Sheppard 23/05/07
  113.   Joe from Ramallah 17:49  |  John 23/05/07
  114.   Rosners confusion 18:56  |  tadchase 23/05/07
  115.   Israel will sleep with the devil 19:11  |  LEVI 23/05/07
  116.   Again, look where the hate is on these posts 19:46  |  Mike 23/05/07
  117.   Falwell was a bigot, is this where Israel stands? 19:57  |  Man 23/05/07
  118.   #63 What are you talking about? 20:11  |  Nathan Mizrahi 23/05/07
  119.   #73 We`re well aware of this 20:14  |  Nathan Mizrahi 23/05/07
  120.   A response to Chavah part 1 20:19  |  Me again 23/05/07
  121.   A response to Chavah part 2 20:27  |  Me again 23/05/07
  122.   to Levi #3 20:39  |  Me again 23/05/07
  123.   LEVI, you can teach Israel something about land grabs 20:39  |  Jake 23/05/07
  124.   My Apologies 21:32  |  Tosefta 23/05/07
  125.   #63 Banana republic you say? 21:33  |  Nissim 23/05/07
  126.   #116 Mike 22:35  |  Boycott 23/05/07
  127.   #125 Nissim; I wish our spineless Congress 23:16  |  ballistic 23/05/07
  128.   Being from the South, I`ll say thank you for that Josh, Love your 23:18  |  Virginia 23/05/07
  129.   #118 Well then why are you still whining 23:20  |  ballistic 23/05/07
  130.   Your right about land grab 23:33  |  levi 23/05/07
  131.   Am Yisrael Chai! 00:16  |  Psalm 24/05/07
  132.   Israel on the dole 00:28  |  Harry De Nief nief 24/05/07
  133.   # 128 Unity 01:03  |  T A Shepard 24/05/07
  134.   Anti-Christ A Jew? Mmmm? I Don`t Know About That! 02:05  |  Yosemite 24/05/07
  135.   Hey Ballistic! 03:04  |  John 24/05/07
  136.   How can you like this guy 03:18  |  FriendofPalestine 24/05/07
  137.   Fake Tosefta Alert #124 05:06  |  Tosefta 24/05/07
  138.   Hubal. Bible didn`t mention the actual time of Messiah` Coming 06:45  |  FSS 24/05/07
  139.   Falwell the Clerico-totalitarian 06:45  |  robin 24/05/07
  140.   RE Denton 07:01  |  Billy Jack 24/05/07
  141.   Fake Tosefta Alert#137 07:24  |  Danite 24/05/07
  142.   Tosefta!! 07:25  |  Danite 24/05/07
  143.   Chaval, 144000 - twelve is e number of G-D`s People, G-D`s Word 07:26  |  FSS 24/05/07
  144.   # 133 TA, the short of it... 08:34  |  Virginia 24/05/07
  145.   Too Desperate for a Friend 09:53  |  Jessica 24/05/07
  146.   Answer to #102 Virginia 10:12  |  ghostoflutherblisset 24/05/07
  147.   FSS Bible does claim to know 11:30  |  Hubal 24/05/07
  148.   Supposed "Imminence" Just Meant to Keep Masses In Line 20:04  |  Jessica 24/05/07
  149.   To: Me Again 23:43  |  Chaval 24/05/07
  150.   What Christians call Armageddon is what Rabbis call Gog & Magog 01:51  |  Hal 25/05/07
  151.   Danite and Tosefta 01:53  |  Hal 25/05/07
  152.   Immediately following the vision of the 144,000 sealed the Bible 03:39  |  TheLivingWord 25/05/07
  153.   Chaval. re: 144000 again. Numbers in Bible sometimes symbolizes.. 06:13  |  FSS 25/05/07
  154.   #152 the living word 06:31  |  What a crock 25/05/07
  155.   Well TA, with the above being said at # 152... 06:39  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  156.   TA, cont. At the end of the day the land will be inhabited by 07:02  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  157.   # 154 Yes, I actually do. 07:05  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  158.   Muslims must help Jews flourish in Israel 13:01  |  Joe 25/05/07
  159.   # 150 Hal 14:25  |  Bob 25/05/07
  160.   # 150 Hal Part 2 14:29  |  Bob 25/05/07
  161.   The living God 14:45  |  Bob 25/05/07
  162.   The living God / part II 15:03  |  Bob 25/05/07
  163.   The living God / part III 15:22  |  Bob 25/05/07
  164.   Chaval: 144 000 16:23  |  Psalm 25/05/07
  165.   Yes!!! Bob, it is what you should say because 16:25  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  166.   Hal: Armageddon 16:32  |  Psalm 25/05/07
  167.   What a Crock #154 16:39  |  Psalm 25/05/07
  168.   What a Crock #154 16:39  |  Psalm 25/05/07
  169.   # 158 Joe, I truly believe they would be blessed beyond their 17:02  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  170.   Stop blaming God for human stupidity! 17:08  |  AV 25/05/07
  171.   Stop blaming God for human stupidity! 2 17:23  |  AV 25/05/07
  172.   #156 Thank you 17:24  |  T A Sheppard 25/05/07
  173.   AV, What makes it "Jewish"? God revealed it to them first to be 17:40  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  174.   To Psalm 17:47  |  Hal 25/05/07
  175.   AV there is much truth in what you say; not all truth 18:24  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  176.   # 172 TA, You`re welcome. Knowledge without grace is dangerous 18:49  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  177.   # 165 Thank you Virginia 19:03  |  Bob 25/05/07
  178.   # 170 AV in response 19:30  |  Bob 25/05/07
  179.   Revelation: humans destroy each other. 19:56  |  AV 25/05/07
  180.   # 172 TA Sheppard in response 20:22  |  Bob 25/05/07
  181.   Bob, Your`re welcome too. I really like R. Musil`s expression 20:33  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  182.   Mr. Rosner, this is the best thread yet. I so want to stay and 20:41  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  183.   And finally, before I go, I just want you all to know... 21:33  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  184.   #180 Have a nice weekend 22:11  |  Bob 25/05/07
  185.   To Hal 22:18  |  Jeremiah Truffles 25/05/07
  186.   Hal 22:25  |  Psalm 25/05/07
  187.   Bob #180 AMEN. And thank you for the book recommendation 22:51  |  Virginia 25/05/07
  188.   To 185, Jeremiah 00:37  |  Frank 26/05/07
  189.   To Jeremiah Truffles and Frank 02:16  |  Hal 26/05/07
  190.   # 174 Hal Part I 10:57  |  Bob 26/05/07
  191.   # 174 Hal Part II 10:59  |  Bob 26/05/07
  192.   # 188 Frank 11:11  |  Bob 26/05/07
  193.   Bottom Line 15:26  |  Harry 26/05/07
  194.   Falwell, not a friend 17:37  |  Bart Newton 26/05/07
  195.   IF FALWELL WAS A MARXIST, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A ROSNER`S GUEST 20:11  |  PhiloEvraios 26/05/07
  196.   Falwell a better man than most liberals 20:14  |  Bill 26/05/07
  197.   Jerry Falwell 23:54  |  Morten Wengler 26/05/07
  198.   to #192 00:15  |  Frank 27/05/07
  199.   MR. ROSNER`S PHOTO: LOOKS LIKE IRANIAN REVOLUTIONARY GUARD 16:57  |  PhiloEvraios 27/05/07
  200.   #198 Frank, A"Fairytale creature" that actually & literally 21:36  |  Virginia 27/05/07
  201.   To Psalm 23:28  |  Hal 27/05/07
  202.   Revelation describes how those who attack Jerusalem die 23:54  |  Hal 27/05/07
  203.   It is ironic 00:04  |  Hal 28/05/07
  204.   PhiloEvraios 05:04  |  Yosemite 28/05/07
  205.   Jerry Falwell 05:22  |  Charlie77 28/05/07
  206.   Jerry Falwell 06:01  |  Laura Peterson 28/05/07
  207.   Bob, are u still out there? I ordered the book this morning... 17:14  |  Virginia 28/05/07
  208.   Gos, don`t let the birds carry away your sacrifice 17:26  |  John 28/05/07
  209.   For 30 gold sheckels... 23:12  |  Whats new? 28/05/07
  210.   Dual Covenant - Cooked up in Hell 00:15  |  Are you people nuts 29/05/07
  211.   #143 - 144,000 Christian Jews saved in 1 AD 00:31  |  Are you people nuts 29/05/07
  212.   #152 - WRONG WRONG WRONG 00:36  |  144000 - 1st Century 29/05/07
  213.   Brother #210-212, read again Rev 7-14 with willingness to believe 08:45  |  FSS 29/05/07
  214.   Your supposed to be IN YOUR BODILY RESURRECTION NOW 11:00  |  John 29/05/07
  215.   Jerry Falwell 11:28  |  Crom 29/05/07
  216.   Friends of WHICH Israel, please!!!??? 17:27  |  kenneth ross 29/05/07
  217.   Thanks Crom for clarifying 17:39  |  John 29/05/07
  218.   Imagine there was only faith, hope and Love - because one day... 17:43  |  Virginia 29/05/07
  219.   Virginia, I believe in G-ds provision 22:30  |  John 29/05/07
  220.   Virginia Part 2; What is the difference between man and animal ? 22:47  |  John 29/05/07
  221.   Our physical bodies are extremly important 01:21  |  AV 30/05/07
  222.   John, your thought processes seem to be a manifestation of 02:25  |  Virginia 30/05/07
  223.   Hi AV, I am with you on that one, I would just like to add 02:38  |  Virginia 30/05/07
  224.   The difference between man and animal is found in how they were 02:50  |  Virginia 30/05/07
  225.   Virginia, the editor of this talkback doesn`t really post 10:21  |  John 30/05/07
  226.   Virginia part 2 10:33  |  John 30/05/07
  227.   Man was created in G-ds image 10:46  |  John 30/05/07
  228.   Why did Yeshua die for your sins? 10:55  |  John 30/05/07
  229.   Israel and Falwell 12:34  |  d eley 30/05/07
  230.   I don`t know if I made myself clear? 13:08  |  John 30/05/07
  231.   # 207 Virginia !!! 13:09  |  Bob 30/05/07
  232.   Harretz, please post the rest of my posts to John & Bob 19:45  |  Virginia 30/05/07
  233.   I don`t know, maybe when two hit send at the same time posts get 19:56  |  Virginia 30/05/07
  234.   I appreciate some of you not calling me names and "whatnot". 01:24  |  John 31/05/07
  235.   Hi JOhn, We may not be too far off the same page 02:32  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  236.   John, questions for you... 03:46  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  237.   Virginia, thats why we are supposed to be RESURRECTED BODILY NOW. 11:34  |  John 31/05/07
  238.   Tzaddik 11:47  |  John 31/05/07
  239.   The way I see it is, one is either Jewish or their not, this is 12:30  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  240.   sorry, hurry to get to work 12:49  |  john 31/05/07
  241.   God wants to be known and will reveal Himself to all who 12:57  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  242.   Yeshua did not teach he was G-d, know why? 13:09  |  John 31/05/07
  243.   And I get what you are saying here... 13:27  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  244.   # 242 - His Spirit WAS God`s Spirit. We all agree God is not man 13:39  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  245.   get D A CARSONS exegetical falacies 13:44  |  John 31/05/07
  246.   Jews are held in special regard, these are those of 13:50  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  247.   244......THATS A TEACHING OR DOCTRINE 13:57  |  John 31/05/07
  248.   Let me share with you what Yeshua says at the end of the day 14:08  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  249.   # 244 is not pagen belief of a bloodthirsty God 14:15  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  250.   You don`t see it...do you? 14:15  |  John 31/05/07
  251.   Come on Haaretz, post `em all, it`s all Good! 14:18  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  252.   When your "Spirit" affects another be it Joy, sadness, Fear 14:35  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  253.   The Gentiles that believed the Jews to be God killers were not 14:42  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  254.   Virginia, Sacrifices are misunderstood by al 14:45  |  John 31/05/07
  255.   god man theology, is not Messiah theology 14:57  |  John 31/05/07
  256.   John, read Bob`s response to me at # 41, then my reply at # 45 15:03  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  257.   # 254 is a "Jewish" teaching, not a Biblical one. 15:08  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  258.   Haaretz pls post my last comment to John.Bob!! have you found us 17:46  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  259.   John my last post to you was... 18:35  |  Virginia 31/05/07
  260.   Just returned from work.....Continued Virginia 03:01  |  John 01/06/07
  261.   More 03:08  |  John 01/06/07
  262.   Editor did not post my first part of talkback? 11:55  |  John 01/06/07
  263.   Sometimes Christians don`t have a godd understanding of 12:29  |  John 01/06/07
  264.   John,John,John, Romans 6, my morning devotion 13:15  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  265.   John, before I go on, let me ref. you back to post # 20 15:32  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  266.   The "church" was not 2nd or 3rd Century. (1) 16:13  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  267.   God builds the church, it is more than a building or assembly 17:07  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  268.   The Preisthood, ever so hand in hand with the church 17:58  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  269.   Resurrection is now. Eternity begins at your acceptance of 19:04  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  270.   A Priesthood of a different order, an established priesthood 20:31  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  271.   Not really the Gospel Virginia? 20:39  |  John 01/06/07
  272.   Christians who intentionally sin? 20:43  |  John 01/06/07
  273.   No onthe Kyriakos (church) 20:47  |  John 01/06/07
  274.   Continued on ISRAEL ALWAYS 20:55  |  John 01/06/07
  275.   Virginia # 267.....Luther came up with the universal spiritual 21:02  |  John 01/06/07
  276.   Frank.....Israel already had problems with the priesthood 21:08  |  John 01/06/07
  277.   What is eternal life? 21:14  |  John 01/06/07
  278.   Melchezedik was a HEAVENLY HIGH PRIEST 21:23  |  John 01/06/07
  279.   The 2nd being the Priest of Midian (and father-in-law to Moses) 21:29  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  280.   Sorry on post # 273 I meant Matt. 16:18 21:43  |  John 01/06/07
  281.   Sorry, just had to tie us together before approaching the 22:25  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  282.   The reason why, then the establishment of sacrifice 22:41  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  283.   I`ll bet our Jewish "roots" observing could teach us both a bunch 22:44  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  284.   Not all "physciAklly dead people" are freed from sin 23:06  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  285.   # 274 I needed that "Kill off your animal hide daily." 23:22  |  Virginia 01/06/07
  286.   On the ride home, The Moody Blues, Anthology 01:45  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  287.   Still on that "animal hide" thing, and it makes me want to bring 02:43  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  288.   God said forever...Messiah did NOT change God`s forever 05:58  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  289.   Haaretz/Rosner, Thanks for the indulgence. You`re the BEST. 13:02  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  290.   One final thought...Here and now is all about 14:05  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  291.   #287....I don`t hold that this is speaking of Messiah as you 14:10  |  John 02/06/07
  292.   Second death 14:13  |  John 02/06/07
  293.   second death continued 14:16  |  John 02/06/07
  294.   Your still confused over Priesthood, High priest vs. regular 14:22  |  John 02/06/07
  295.   Arcahic sacrifice continued 14:25  |  John 02/06/07
  296.   I will not deny I am a "cookies & milk" reader when I consider 15:18  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  297.   The Word of God is... 15:39  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  298.   # 285....your a Pauline Christian, they follow the CHURCH 15:42  |  John 02/06/07
  299.   # 296 15:48  |  John 02/06/07
  300.   John, what a mirror you`ve been, in many ways. 15:54  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  301.   My, My..My,My,My - Can U not see the Love of God from Gen.to Rev? 16:06  |  Virginia 02/06/07
  302.   Dear one.....I will try once again..... 13:41  |  John 03/06/07
  303.   A good understanding of post # 302 is in Heb. 9 14:39  |  John 03/06/07
  304.   dont spit on those that help you 23:44  |  me 09/06/07


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