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On anti-Semitism, anti-anti-Semitism and anti-anti-anti-Semitism

This might prove to be a huge mistake - reader's anger etc. - but I'm going to delve into the are-progressive-Jews-encouraging-anti-Semitism debate. I've avoided this subject for a while, thinking I already had my fair share of anti-Semitism in this blog for one month. I've been following the debate though, and now, late in the game, I'm not going to repeat all that's been said already, just to make some remarks. So, here it is:

1. First, if you still need to familiarize yourself with the story itself, here it is, in short: Prof. Alvin Rosenfeld of Indiana University published an article on the American Jewish Committee web site blaming Jewish progressive critics of Israel of encourage anti-Semitism, if not exactly practicing, anti-Semitism. The controversy that followed included a front page NYT story and many other articles, remarks, tirades and angry responses (If you want a sample try the British Guardian piece here, a Boston Globe opinion piece here, Samuel Feedman in the Jpost , Bret Stephens in defense of anti anti-Semitism here).

2. Rosenfeld blames Jewish intellectuals for providing ammunition to anti-Semites, but I'm not convinced this makes a good case against their views. Let's say that Rosenfeld is right in the sense that Tony Judt's opinions actually encourage anti-Semites. So what should he (and the other anti-Israel Jewish progressives) do - stop expressing them? Judt (fortunately) isn't a leader; he has no constituency and is responsible mainly for himself. If other people choose to use his words to justify their anti-Semitism - well, shame on them. He should be taken to task on the merit of his arguments, not on others' misuse or misdeeds.

3. Rosenfeld was quite clear though that he wasn't criticizing people who might disagree with Israel's policies, but rather those who question Israel's right to exist. Did it help him in any way? Nope. People kept criticizing him for trying to silence political debate. And you know why they did that? To score points and present themselves as martyrs. Easier for them to argue over the alleged "censorship" than over the actual argument he is making.

4. And speaking of censorship, it's really time to drop this ridiculous, pathetic complaint. Rosenfeld, rightly, points out that "Israel is singled out more than any other country on the globe for inaccurate and one-sided condemnations of its alleged human rights abuses and targeted for boycotts and divestment campaigns." Crying "censorship" is just another way of de-legitimizing Israel and its supporters - and, by the way, an attempt to silence Rosenfeld, who also has the right to express his distaste of the people he criticizes.

5. One can ask: why did Rosenfeld bother at all? What's the significance of some extremely radical Jewish intellectuals questioning Israel's right to exist? Are Israel and the Zionist dream so weak that they can't withstand an attack from such figures?

6. However, one can ask the same question from the other side. Why are these anti-Israel people and their defenders so angry and jumpy about this one article? Do they care because it is all a lie - or because they feel that some readers might detect a kernel of truth in Rosenfeld's arguments?

7. Apparently, the ultimate insult is calling people anti-Semitic. But why isn't being just anti-Israel bad enough?

8. AJC is the real casualty of the Rosenfeld-affair, losing some of its credibility as an impartial organization. Already, people started insulting it by comparing it to AIPAC (I guess that's the flip coin of calling someone an anti-Semite). Freedman wrote that on the part of AJC the Rosenfeld affair is a "self-inflicted wound". Stanley Kutler, writing for the Globe, stated that AJC's "present political leadership? Now have bankrolled vigorous support for the Bush administration's Middle Eastern policies." Can there be a greater sin than that? (See my previous article Bush the divider)

9. There's a very interesting allegation in John Judis' TNR article: "They [Rosenfeld, David Harris of AJC, AIPAC and comp.] want to demand of American Jewish intellectuals a certain loyalty to Israel, Israeli policies, and to Zionism as part of their being Jewish. They make dual loyalty an inescapable part of being Jewish in a world in which a Jewish state exists," he writes and touches one of the most disturbing trends one can detect among some of the more liberal Jews of America: the tendency (and I'm not saying Judis himself has this tendency) to feel burdened by the need to care for their not-as-liberal-not-as-sophisticated brothers in other parts of the world.

10. And my reaction to this complaint will be annoyingly straight forward: Yes, Jewish intellectuals, and all other Jews, should show some special loyalty to the plight of the Jews of Israel (but not to Israel's policies), because caring for Jews is an important part of being Jewish. That is, if they want to be the good Jews most of them claim to be.

  1.   We do all we can - you tear it down 09:56  |  Georg Klein 15/02/07
  2.   You can`t deny... 09:57  |  Aramis 15/02/07
  3.   Yes, we should show loyalty. 10:36  |  sg 15/02/07
  4.   is there ACHOICE ? NOT IF YOU RESPECT HISTORY 10:36  |  paul harris 15/02/07
  5.   If Jews support Zionism, then Anti-Semitism itself 10:40  |  Khalid 15/02/07
  6.   A few other points 10:45  |  sg 15/02/07
  7.   Israel makes who unsafe #1? 10:48  |  sg 15/02/07
  8.   point # 9 11:00  |  dubious 15/02/07
  9.   The Rosner Tribalist Fallacy 11:24  |  David Howard 15/02/07
  10.   # 4 Khalid 11:33  |  Josef 15/02/07
  11.   David Howard 11:48  |  rich 15/02/07
  12.   #4 Paul Harris, Respecting History. 12:29  |  Maureen Ann 15/02/07
  13.   Look the other way when all Jewish values 12:35  |  Sarah Cohen 15/02/07
  14.   #12 MO GETS IN A BLOW . YOUR PHILOSPHY AND 12:58  |  paul harris 15/02/07
  15.   Regarding Rosner`s point N°6. Let me help your dilemma. 13:14  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  16.   the occupation and non democratic actions of Israel 13:22  |  Ernst 15/02/07
  17.   Jewsih intellectuals.None left. 13:28  |  Kym 15/02/07
  18.   # 1 We do all we can - you tear it down 13:41  |  Traude 15/02/07
  19.   rosner is haaretz`s cat`s paw 13:48  |  american 15/02/07
  20.   Rosner`s failed "logic". 13:52  |  Simon 15/02/07
  21.   #11 rich to #9 David Howard. I think H. puts it quite precisely.. 13:55  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  22.   Rosner - there you go again 14:06  |  dana 15/02/07
  23.   Curiosu - my post agreeing with Rosner was censored 14:17  |  Clickfool 15/02/07
  24.   dana: So You ARE an Antisemite! 14:20  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  25.   dana and her treasure chest of lies 14:27  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  26.   Eve dropper`s perspective 14:30  |  Najdt 15/02/07
  27.   diaspora jews 14:33  |  Daniel 15/02/07
  28.   Contributions to AIPAC must have fallen 14:53  |  Mark Lincoln 15/02/07
  29.   #22 dana. I guess you`re right with one reservation 1. 15:08  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  30.   #22 dana. I guess you`re right with one reservation 2. 15:09  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  31.   Some Questions for Rosner 15:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 15/02/07
  32.   chgodmk # 25 - re: dana 15:15  |  american 15/02/07
  33.   Blame Everyone Else 15:16  |  Tom 15/02/07
  34.   Remember? Jews existed before Israel. 15:19  |  Rebecca Manski 15/02/07
  35.   # 23.....click...crime, land grab, and cruelty 15:22  |  The Equalizer 15/02/07
  36.   Tom # 33 sounds like you have no wealth or power and blame Jews 15:27  |  The Equalizer 15/02/07
  37.   american: your ignorance 15:41  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  38.   One-trick pony 16:11  |  Hannah 15/02/07
  39.   Inaccurate title 16:13  |  Murray 15/02/07
  40.   A Time for Honesty 16:14  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  41.   chgodmk - chutzpah cubed 16:15  |  american 15/02/07
  42.   For The Equalizer # 35, "Home on the Range" 16:28  |  Clickfool 15/02/07
  43.   SOPHIE SCHOLL 16:37  |  juan solanet 15/02/07
  44.   chgodmk # 40 chutzpah cubed - qed 16:52  |  american 15/02/07
  45.   Jews should show special loyalty to the plight of Jews of Israel. 16:53  |  AV 15/02/07
  46.   Confused 16:53  |  Alicia 15/02/07
  47.   dana 16:58  |  Danite 15/02/07
  48.   Criticism As An Act Of Loyalty 17:03  |  Harry D 15/02/07
  49.   JEW LOVE 17:05  |  Danite 15/02/07
  50.   Make Aliyah 17:18  |  dan 15/02/07
  51.   Come JEWS let us SING! 17:21  |  Danite 15/02/07
  52.   american re: my chutzpah 17:25  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  53.   american: your selectivity 17:30  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  54.   Jewish intellectuals are obligated to know ... 17:30  |  AV 15/02/07
  55.   Jewish intellectuals must not fight in restaurants 17:32  |  AV 15/02/07
  56.   dan in NYC 17:35  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  57.   What about respecting everyone else? 17:41  |  Marilyn 15/02/07
  58.   #57 marylin mind your own business!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE O 17:48  |  paul harris 15/02/07
  59.   "Progressive Jews" is a misnomer 17:49  |  Michael O. 15/02/07
  60.   Marilyn 17:51  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  61.   diaspora jews should show..... 17:52  |  hipolito 15/02/07
  62.   Tom - so we should just intentionally not be succesfull 17:54  |  Moises 15/02/07
  63.   Danite: I`m Singing 17:54  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  64.   chgodmk #`s 52 & 53 17:56  |  american 15/02/07
  65.   You cant help others UNLESS you yourself have power to help 18:01  |  Joseph 15/02/07
  66.   Another example of rights denied to Jews 18:06  |  Moises 15/02/07
  67.   chgodmk 18:09  |  Jim 15/02/07
  68.   Marilyn - your grandchildren will be Islamists 18:09  |  Joe 15/02/07
  69.   chgodmk - know your stuff 18:12  |  THK 15/02/07
  70.   I am soooo Post-Post-Modern! 18:13  |  AV 15/02/07
  71.   THK: Your Objection is Irrelevant 18:25  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  72.   american 18:26  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  73.   Dan #50 18:32  |  Alicia 15/02/07
  74.   These attackers are enablers Of Settlements 18:37  |  Harris 15/02/07
  75.   Hipolito (Post No. 61) 18:38  |  Johnny Weintraub 15/02/07
  76.   CHGODMK is right: the fact the world obsesses about Israel ... 18:42  |  AV 15/02/07
  77.   Tom-Who`s blaming who? 18:42  |  Jeff 15/02/07
  78.   Jim in Rockford, IL 18:43  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  79.   Jewish "settlers" are aborigines 18:45  |  AV 15/02/07
  80.   # CHGODMK to american. A bit on the contributions to the world 1. 18:48  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  81.   # CHGODMK to american. A bit on the contributions to the world 2 18:49  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  82.   # CHGODMK to american. A bit on the contributions to the world 3 18:51  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  83.   Zmogus bogus 18:51  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  84.   # CHGODMK to american. A bit on the contributions to the world 4 18:53  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  85.   To Johnny Weintraub 19:00  |  hipolito 15/02/07
  86.   Zmogus: Fossilized 19:00  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  87.   Zmogus 19:04  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  88.   Rosenfeld is nothing mmore than a propagandist 19:10  |  Yaakov Sullivan 15/02/07
  89.   Alicia in Scandinavia, you can make Aliya! 19:11  |  Hal 15/02/07
  90.   Zmogus: The Fact is... 19:12  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  91.   CHGODMK... my dear 19:12  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  92.   answer for Klalid, #5 19:18  |  Cat 15/02/07
  93.   Zomgus 19:18  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  94.   Jewish tradition values diversity. 19:20  |  AV 15/02/07
  95.   Israel provides ammuniition to anti-Semites 19:20  |  Stephen Murray 15/02/07
  96.   KYM What are you talking about? 19:21  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  97.   chgodmk #24 19:22  |  sara 15/02/07
  98.   Another comment 19:24  |  Stephen Murray 15/02/07
  99.   Antisemitisme By Rosner 19:24  |  Emile Tubiana 15/02/07
  100.   chgodmk 37 19:27  |  sara 15/02/07
  101.   Stephen Murray: Where Were You? 19:27  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  102.   Yaakov Sullivan is one smart guy 19:28  |  Yair ben Avraham 15/02/07
  103.   sara 19:30  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  104.   CHGODMK 19:33  |  Abby 15/02/07
  105.   Khalid What makes you vibrate? 19:33  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  106.   chgodmk 90 19:37  |  sara 15/02/07
  107.   CHGODMK- clarification 19:40  |  THK 15/02/07
  108.   I was a suppporter of Israel 19:46  |  levi 15/02/07
  109.   Jews are the native population of Judea 19:53  |  Joe 15/02/07
  110.   Israeli policies 19:55  |  Nathalie 15/02/07
  111.   Thus speaks Sara the jerk 19:55  |  "you" 15/02/07
  112.   Jeff-Montreal 19:58  |  Tom 15/02/07
  113.   It is unethical to recognize Islamic Palestine`s right to exist 20:05  |  AV 15/02/07
  114.   Re: zmongus on jewish history 20:06  |  Moises 15/02/07
  115.   Freedom to belong or to not belong 20:12  |  AV 15/02/07
  116.   "caring for Jews" ? 20:13  |  anangryjew 15/02/07
  117.   The first "Antis" 20:13  |  David 15/02/07
  118.   Israel has an inalienable right to exist as a Jewish state 20:14  |  AV 15/02/07
  119.   let the questions come 20:16  |  HarryDC 15/02/07
  120.   you 111 20:16  |  sara 15/02/07
  121.   Hal # 89 Love your reply! 20:17  |  Alicia 15/02/07
  122.   Israel. My dream! 20:17  |  Flower 15/02/07
  123.   sara #106 20:19  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  124.   chgodmk 103 20:19  |  sara 15/02/07
  125.   Stephen Murray 20:20  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  126.   THK #107 20:21  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  127.   Shmuel is upset 20:23  |  Mendel the Mean 15/02/07
  128.   Abby: Carter`s Book #104 20:24  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  129.   sara #124 20:28  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  130.   Actually, Episcopalians are the richest group in the US 20:31  |  David 15/02/07
  131.   Jewish anti-semitism 20:31  |  Mitch Cohen 15/02/07
  132.   #114 20:33  |  Tom 15/02/07
  133.   Stephen Murray: What about the Quartet? 20:35  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  134.   LOL! Euro Leftists are "prophets"?! 20:41  |  -- 15/02/07
  135.   #116 an angry Jew 20:46  |  Kym 15/02/07
  136.   First and foremost, Jews have to exist 20:47  |  AV 15/02/07
  137.   134. "Now, there`s a prophecy!" 20:49  |  Euro-jew 15/02/07
  138.   Anti-Semitism has existed for milenia 20:51  |  Bruriah Sarah 15/02/07
  139.   Emile Tubiana 20:53  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  140.   135. Kym 20:55  |  anangryjew 15/02/07
  141.   As my Rabbi said a Jew,is a Jew,is a Jew and 20:58  |  Steve 15/02/07
  142.   104 - Carter`s Book is full of Errors 21:03  |  Bruriah Sarah 15/02/07
  143.   Tom - I will gladly answer 21:06  |  Moises 15/02/07
  144.   #114, Moises. It wasn`t about "Jewish history" first of all. 21:10  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  145.   Tom (cont.) 21:11  |  Moises 15/02/07
  146.   anti-Semitic = fashionably stupid 21:12  |  THK 15/02/07
  147.   Tom -who`s preachin`? 21:19  |  Jeff 15/02/07
  148.   anti-Semitism? 21:36  |  P. J. Casey 15/02/07
  149.   Angryjew - a bit of advice about anger 21:39  |  Moises 15/02/07
  150.   point 9 21:40  |  dubious 15/02/07
  151.   Angry Jew: Bad impersonation of a Jew 21:52  |  Michael Korn 15/02/07
  152.   sara #100 22:04  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  153.   CHGODMK "From one Jew to another".. 22:08  |  Danite 15/02/07
  154.   OK Dubious, take me on! 22:09  |  THK 15/02/07
  155.   Zmongus 22:15  |  Danite 15/02/07
  156.   sara 22:21  |  danite 15/02/07
  157.   Zmongus, you are right, I misunderstood 22:39  |  Moises 15/02/07
  158.   Zmongus, one more thing 22:46  |  Moises 15/02/07
  159.   A question for everybody 22:53  |  Abby 15/02/07
  160.   Jews for Jews (Part I) 22:58  |  Stephen Connor 15/02/07
  161.   Danite # 47 - Yes, they should all intermarry 22:59  |  dana 15/02/07
  162.   CHGODMK.I guess we`ll talk when you start caring what people say? 23:04  |  zmogus 15/02/07
  163.   Jews for Jews (Part II) 23:07  |  Stephen Connor 15/02/07
  164.   Welcome THK 23:08  |  Danite 15/02/07
  165.   A pure Jew 23:11  |  Moe Katz 15/02/07
  166.   Rights of diaspora Jews 23:12  |  W 15/02/07
  167.   zmogus #29 - you got me there 23:12  |  dana 15/02/07
  168.   AV 23:13  |  Abby 15/02/07
  169.   #140 angry "jew" 23:17  |  Kym 15/02/07
  170.   Paul Harris`s respect for history 23:24  |  Stephen Connor 15/02/07
  171.   Zmogus: As soon as you can be relevant to the topic at hand 23:25  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  172.   Bruriah Sarah 23:27  |  Stephen Connor 15/02/07
  173.   Zmogus: Incidentally 23:33  |  CHGODMK 15/02/07
  174.   Danite.. 23:33  |  THK 15/02/07
  175.   Harris 23:35  |  Stephen Connor 15/02/07
  176.   Well dana 23:35  |  Danite 15/02/07
  177.   dana ps 23:37  |  Danite 15/02/07
  178.   Anti-anti-Semitism 23:38  |  Sharonelle 15/02/07
  179.   NO SIR!! 23:43  |  Jewish CANADIAN 15/02/07
  180.   CHGODMK 23:52  |  Abby 15/02/07
  181.   An analogy for Israel and its critics 23:57  |  Pssd Off American 15/02/07
  182.   THK I know I know 23:59  |  Danite 15/02/07
  183.   CHGODMK 00:05  |  Danite 16/02/07
  184.   Abby #180: Positions of Convenience 00:08  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  185.   #179, Jewish Canadian 00:11  |  Hannah 16/02/07
  186.   @99, emile tubiana, you are illiterate jew 00:17  |  vladimir 16/02/07
  187.   `Plight`? 00:19  |  Colin Wright 16/02/07
  188.   # 177 Sharonelle and others who need antisemitism defined 00:21  |  Michael O. 16/02/07
  189.   Sharonelle in CA 00:21  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  190.   OK, I`ve lost all respect for Mark Lincoln and his analytical... 00:24  |  Jacob Blues 16/02/07
  191.   MICHAEL KORN 00:28  |  EC 16/02/07
  192.   Why Israel? 00:34  |  Abu Aaron 16/02/07
  193.   impressive 00:35  |  avi 16/02/07
  194.   Steven Connor 00:38  |  Harris 16/02/07
  195.   THK - Christian Nations?? 00:39  |  Stephen Connor 16/02/07
  196.   #155, Danite 1. 00:43  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  197.   @140, anangryjew 00:44  |  vladimir 16/02/07
  198.   Danite 2. 00:45  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  199.   Danite 3. 00:46  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  200.   Danite 4. (the last one; what a realief!) 00:47  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  201.   my heart aches for my people 00:55  |  David G 16/02/07
  202.   Abby #180 00:56  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  203.   the fetishism of `anti-semitism` re: sharonelle 01:16  |  siggy freud 16/02/07
  204.   CHGODMK - racism, homophobia, xenophobia, sexism, etc. 01:18  |  Stephen Connor 16/02/07
  205.   chgodmk # 184 01:18  |  dubious 16/02/07
  206.   stephen connor # 188 01:22  |  dubious 16/02/07
  207.   Abby: Don`t Disrail the Discourse! 01:33  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  208.   Israel: One of most anti-semitic countries in the world 01:34  |  Yacov 16/02/07
  209.   Harris 01:36  |  Stephen Connor 16/02/07
  210.   Zmogus 01:45  |  Danite 16/02/07
  211.   Stephen Connor.. 01:48  |  THK 16/02/07
  212.   # 33 Tom 01:50  |  ChanahS 16/02/07
  213.   Zmogus2 01:51  |  Danite 16/02/07
  214.   #185 EC 01:54  |  Kym 16/02/07
  215.   USA JEWS WANT TO SHUT DOWN ISRAEL 02:16  |  Muhammud al-Swain 16/02/07
  216.   USA JEWS VERSUS ISRAELI JEWS 02:22  |  Muhammud al-Swain 16/02/07
  217.   Hey Danite - Maybe I am the ultimate jew? 03:04  |  dana 16/02/07
  218.   dubious #194 03:07  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  219.   I love being a Jew! 03:13  |  Joy 16/02/07
  220.   CHGODMK #24 - what`s with all the animals - 2nd try 03:19  |  dana 16/02/07
  221.   of course, antisemitism always existed 03:30  |  daniel weiss 16/02/07
  222.   Hegel`s philosophy derives from Jewish Kabala 03:52  |  AV 16/02/07
  223.   Israel should show special loyalty to Diaspora 03:57  |  Pablo B 16/02/07
  224.   Israeli Orthodox/Secular vs American Conservative/Reform 04:11  |  David 16/02/07
  225.   Sounds more like what Islamists call all Jews 04:14  |  Joe 16/02/07
  226.   Caring For Jews is a Part of Being Jewish 04:20  |  Johnny Weintraub 16/02/07
  227.   Jewish Canadian 04:29  |  David 16/02/07
  228.   Roser, You dispappoint me .... 04:33  |  Dutch 16/02/07
  229.   Yacov in Ashkelon 04:35  |  Yair ben Avraham 16/02/07
  230.   US Jews vs Israeli Jews! At least we`re not Sunnis and Shiites! 04:35  |  Divided Jew 16/02/07
  231.   Youre Right 186 04:47  |  Jewish CANADIAN 16/02/07
  232.   The villifiers are morally bankrupt 05:30  |  Joe 16/02/07
  233.   NEED FOR HONEST AND COMPETENT LEADERS 05:44  |  atlantic1 16/02/07
  234.   Who said progressive Jews are denying Israel`s right to exist? 05:44  |  DJM 16/02/07
  235.   Israelis should show special loyalty to America 06:32  |  Hunter Watson 16/02/07
  236.   "Brandeis donors exact revenge for Carter visit": censorship 06:51  |  John 16/02/07
  237.   Israel`s right to exist includes self-defense! 07:31  |  AV 16/02/07
  238.   Michael Korn 07:47  |  Emile Tubiana 16/02/07
  239.   Antisemitism or judeophobia ?! 07:48  |  Yankelowitz 16/02/07
  240.   Kym-the-Denier 08:21  |  anangryjew 16/02/07
  241.   #51 Danite 08:36  |  sh 16/02/07
  242.   Stpehen Murray`s fundamental truth, which Zionists hate # 95 08:48  |  Clickfool 16/02/07
  243.   Who are you people ? 08:49  |  justajew 16/02/07
  244.   #170 history is ALWAYS TWILIGHT STEPHEN 08:51  |  paul harris 16/02/07
  245.   CHGODMK, Danite, ... 08:53  |  sh 16/02/07
  246.   For Joe, on moral bankruptcy # 217 09:00  |  Clickfool 16/02/07
  247.   Nice boy 09:01  |  John Mackie 16/02/07
  248.   There`s support and there`s support 09:07  |  Gordon 16/02/07
  249.   #231 CLICKFOOL CONFUSES HIMSELF AND EVERYONE ELSE !! 09:24  |  paul harris 16/02/07
  250.   Mr. Rosner 09:29  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/07
  251.   #236, sh 09:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/07
  252.   "Occupation, Genocide And Ethnic Cleansing" Khalid? 09:40  |  Yosemite 16/02/07
  253.   Bottom Line For Me 09:46  |  Yosemite 16/02/07
  254.   Crappy Poll, By The Way 09:49  |  Yosemite 16/02/07
  255.   Paul Harris provides his answer to Shmuel Rosner # 249 10:16  |  Clickfool 16/02/07
  256.   Legitimate Criticism 10:33  |  Perplexed 16/02/07
  257.   WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY PAUL HARRIS? 11:05  |  John Mackie 16/02/07
  258.   CJK 11:51  |  sh 16/02/07
  259.   #240 an angry jew 12:07  |  Kym 16/02/07
  260.   chgodmk # 218 12:35  |  dubious 16/02/07
  261.   paul harris # 244 12:39  |  dubious 16/02/07
  262.   To Johnny Weintraub 12:49  |  hipolito 16/02/07
  263.   #251, Cipora Julianna Kohn. Check your family history too 13:10  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  264.   #157, Moises. 1. 14:31  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  265.   #157, Moises. 2. 14:37  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  266.   #171, CHGODMK. 15:13  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  267.   dana "Palestinian Persecution" #220 15:21  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  268.   Sh #245 15:29  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  269.   But Rosenfeld and others unfairly attack objective critiques 15:36  |  Louis T. Sigel 16/02/07
  270.   Rosenfeld is wrong 15:36  |  John 16/02/07
  271.   #6, sg 15:55  |  JB 16/02/07
  272.   #234 DJM - on progressive Jews 15:59  |  Michael O. 16/02/07
  273.   #173, CHGODMK. Nietzsche & Zionists... 16:44  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  274.   CHGODMK 17:20  |  sh 16/02/07
  275.   zmogus, how are you 17:56  |  THK 16/02/07
  276.   Danite. Bit more of patience and we`ll get there 1. 19:27  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  277.   Danite. Bit more of patience and we`ll get there 2. 19:29  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  278.   #258, sh 19:32  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/07
  279.   Danite. Bit more of patience and we`ll get there 4. 19:35  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  280.   one sin does not justify another sin, and 20:07  |  jack 16/02/07
  281.   Dershowitz does crticzies israel`s policies 20:15  |  Zody 16/02/07
  282.   #275 THK. Fine, thanks 20:24  |  zmogus 16/02/07
  283.   Yankelowitz demonizes Jews 20:31  |  Hal 16/02/07
  284.   "Anti-semite" has lost its sting 20:32  |  Zeje 16/02/07
  285.   Palestinian Muslims do a vile act, in itself, 20:44  |  Joe 16/02/07
  286.   CHGODMK #267 - your point being? 21:42  |  dana 16/02/07
  287.   Israel`s right to exist includes self-defense ... 21:50  |  AV 16/02/07
  288.   Misleading Argument 22:04  |  Howard Katz 16/02/07
  289.   Zmogus, you`re most welcome 22:05  |  THK 16/02/07
  290.   Zmogus indulges in "psycho/philosophical babble" ... 22:13  |  Cathy 16/02/07
  291.   # 283 Hal, # 285 Joe 22:23  |  Traude 16/02/07
  292.   Sh 22:56  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  293.   Actually, Jews never excommunicated Jesus 22:58  |  AV 16/02/07
  294.   dubious #260 23:03  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  295.   Stephen Connor 23:22  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  296.   #274, sh 23:26  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/07
  297.   #292, CHGODMK 23:30  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 16/02/07
  298.   dana: my point is very clear. unfortunately, you are just 23:32  |  CHGODMK 16/02/07
  299.   Progressive Jews/Shet`l Jews 00:01  |  Schtarker Yid 17/02/07
  300.   #288 Katz: Your own contribution to obfuscating the issue 00:11  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  301.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #297 00:15  |  CHGODMK 17/02/07
  302.   Michael O #188 response to Sharonelle 01:19  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  303.   Michael O 01:25  |  sharonelle 17/02/07
  304.   Jews are the aborigines of Judea 01:27  |  Hal 17/02/07
  305.   #189 01:30  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  306.   Misleading argument #288 Katz 01:33  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  307.   David Howard 01:36  |  Jeff Wise 17/02/07
  308.   #302 Sharonelle: Who is claiming to be the best? 02:49  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  309.   #305 Sharonelle: More misleading arguments 02:54  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  310.   # 302 Sharonelle 03:08  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  311.   #301, CHGODMK 03:52  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/02/07
  312.   310 Michael O 04:53  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  313.   302 Sharonelle who`s claiming to be the best, Michael O 05:06  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  314.   ashamed to be a jew 07:01  |  andrew 17/02/07
  315.   "Good Jews" = "Good Germans" 07:43  |  keith 17/02/07
  316.   Intellectuals like.... 10:10  |  Bill 17/02/07
  317.   #290, Cathy, poor.... 11:30  |  zmogus 17/02/07
  318.   Danite. Bit more ....we`ll get there 3. (Haaretz, where`s the 3?) 11:33  |  zmogus 17/02/07
  319.   MichaelO./Sharonelle - Further Thoughts 15:36  |  Howard Katz 17/02/07
  320.   #312 Sharonelle: Let`s try that again 18:58  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  321.   #289, THK. Likewise to you 19:10  |  zmogus 17/02/07
  322.   #313 Sharonelle: Let`s try that one again too 19:21  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  323.   # 319 Howard Katz: On crying censorship 21:21  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  324.   # 319 Howard Katz: On stifling the debate 21:26  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  325.   # 319 Howard Katz: On Carter`s book, part 1 21:33  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  326.   # 319 Howard Katz: On Carter`s book, part 2 21:46  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  327.   # 319 Howard Katz: On Uri Avneri 21:52  |  Michael O. 17/02/07
  328.   #292 CHGODMK part 1 22:49  |  sh 17/02/07
  329.   #292 CHGODMK part 2 22:50  |  sh 17/02/07
  330.   CHGODMK - are you still all there in one piece? 23:09  |  dana 17/02/07
  331.   Michael O, Yes, let`s try it again 23:36  |  Sharonelle 17/02/07
  332.   #331 Sharonelle: This is getting absurd 00:22  |  Michael O. 18/02/07
  333.   Lerner is anti is anti zionist 02:12  |  Zody 18/02/07
  334.   Westbank is Judea and Samaria. Judea is Jewish aboriginal land. 02:33  |  Hal 18/02/07
  335.   hal that`s balloney 04:55  |  dana 18/02/07
  336.   # 334 11:13  |  Traude 18/02/07
  337.   It`s all about the decline of the west, stupid! 14:38  |  Fed Up 18/02/07
  338.   #183, Danite to CHGODMK. Commendable... But could be better 15:12  |  zmogus 18/02/07
  339.   337. Fed up ? aren`t we all 15:24  |  hmmmmmm 18/02/07
  340.   #339 - hmmmmmmmm NO WONDER 17:57  |  Fed Up 18/02/07
  341.   Jews are the aborigines of Judea 20:36  |  Hal 18/02/07
  342.   #339 - hmmmmmmmm NO WONDER 20:40  |  hmmmmmm 18/02/07
  343.   A*R*A*B-s come from A*R*A*B-ia 20:50  |  Hal 18/02/07
  344.   Zmogus, disengage is also a position 21:07  |  THK 18/02/07
  345.   Hal: Jews are the aborigines of Judea - as DNA testing shows 22:08  |  Traude 18/02/07
  346.   Jews are the aborigines of Judea 01:16  |  Hal 19/02/07
  347.   Hi-rez DNA testing 01:25  |  Hal 19/02/07
  348.   "Progressive" tradition to turn against ones own people 09:19  |  Dave Loev 19/02/07
  349.   Lo-rez DNA testing 09:33  |  Hal 19/02/07
  350.   Hal - your dna explanations sound very much like 10:25  |  dana 19/02/07
  351.   Hal - Jews are the aborigines of Israel 12:14  |  Traude 19/02/07
  352.   #348, Dave Loev. WWDD: "What Would Dave Do"? 12:23  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  353.   #334, THK. Sure. Only it is not disengagement. 1/2 14:34  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  354.   #334, THK. Sure. Only it is not disengagement. 2/2 14:37  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  355.   Anti-semitism, how to kill it! 14:42  |  John Isenhower 19/02/07
  356.   #210, Danite and the invention of "murder" clause... 16:54  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  357.   Zmogus, was a pleasure 17:11  |  THK 19/02/07
  358.   "Progressive ideology" versus conformity in PC dominated culture 18:01  |  Dave Loev 19/02/07
  359.   #355, John Isenhower. Much-promissing title and... 18:41  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  360.   Zmogus 21:04  |  AV 19/02/07
  361.   What the mirror shows 21:10  |  David Hoffman 19/02/07
  362.   zmogus response to dave loev 23:17  |  dana 19/02/07
  363.   #360 AV 23:39  |  zmogus 19/02/07
  364.   In answer to Ernst of Amsterdam. 01:42  |  Lillian Tobin 20/02/07
  365.   Lillian Tobin - you must be a world reknownd historian of antiqu 03:05  |  dana 20/02/07
  366.   jews are anit-semites against patrilineals 03:40  |  jessy 20/02/07
  367.   Ending Racism: Playbook p.1. Israel # 359 03:40  |  John Isenhower 20/02/07
  368.   STOP USING THE TERM "ANTI-SEMITISM" ! 04:39  |  PhiloEvraios 20/02/07
  369.   #352,Zmogus: WDWND (What Dave Would Not Do) 04:55  |  Dave Loev 20/02/07
  370.   Lillian Tobin - what exactly are you talkinbg about? 05:06  |  dana 20/02/07
  371.   Next 300 years: To Marilyn, my darling, and clickfool 06:12  |  Ibrahim Shvons 20/02/07
  372.   On anti-Semitism 07:21  |  Teri Neilson 20/02/07
  373.   #352,Zmogus:distinguishing "progressives" from progressives 08:36  |  Dave Loev 20/02/07
  374.   dave loev on Progressives and other vile creatures 09:14  |  dana 20/02/07
  375.   #364, Lillian Tobin. Apologies to Ernst? 12:55  |  zmogus 20/02/07
  376.   #222, AV. Reuchlin`s link in Hegel interesting but .... 14:37  |  zmogus 20/02/07
  377.   #369, Dave Loev. Moral boundaries and survival instinct 15:08  |  zmogus 20/02/07
  378.   Shmuel Rosner 2/20/07 18:16  |  Susan Sacks 20/02/07
  379.   The Samaritans - whatever happened to them? 18:31  |  Hal 20/02/07
  380.   Please Keep It Simple... 19:35  |  Bill 20/02/07
  381.   # 379 The Samaritans - whatever happened to them? 19:45  |  Traude 20/02/07
  382.   #379, Hal. Belated recognition of Palestinians 20:01  |  zmogus 20/02/07
  383.   Jews are the aborigines of Judea 21:16  |  Hal 20/02/07
  384.   Jews and Samaritans are the aborigines of Israel 21:26  |  Hal 20/02/07
  385.   Hal Jews and Samaritans are the aborigines of Israel 22:13  |  Traude 20/02/07
  386.   The Arab Muslims in Palestine genocided Samaritans 22:21  |  Hal 20/02/07
  387.   Jews aborigines of palestine 23:59  |  Sharonelle 20/02/07
  388.   Jews originate in Judea. Palestinian Muslims dont. 00:21  |  Hal 21/02/07
  389.   Hal 01:54  |  Traude 21/02/07
  390.   Hal 02:05  |  Traude 21/02/07
  391.   Hal 02:17  |  Traude 21/02/07
  392.   Bronze Age is the dawn of history, when people started to write 03:38  |  Hal 21/02/07
  393.   Originations to Hal 03:50  |  Sharonelle 21/02/07
  394.   Most Israelites ARE Canaanites 04:02  |  Hal 21/02/07
  395.   Lebanese Christians are aborigines, like Jews and Samaritans 04:26  |  Hal 21/02/07
  396.   Demanding a lot of the diaspora 04:37  |  ghostoflutherblisset 21/02/07
  397.   If you really care about human rights, 06:17  |  Hal 21/02/07
  398.   If you really care about human rights -Hal 20:45  |  Sharonelle 21/02/07
  399.   That left bias away from Israel 03:01  |  D.R. Zukerman 22/02/07
  400.   That left bias away from Israel 11:14  |  Traude 22/02/07
  401.   Thank you Traude (#400)... 19:04  |  D.R. Zukerman 22/02/07
  402.   That Left Bias D.R. Zukerman 22:33  |  Sharonelle 22/02/07
  403.   # 401 D.R. Zukerman 02:23  |  Traude 23/02/07
  404.   The anti-Israel tilt of evenhandedness 07:10  |  D.R. Zukerman 23/02/07
  405.   The anti-Israel tilt of evenhandedness 11:34  |  Traude 23/02/07
  406.   Predictable "evenhanded" response #405 14:16  |  D.R. Zukerman 23/02/07
  407.   They are progressive as terminal diseases are progressive 02:59  |  Chaim 24/02/07
  408.   Progressives ain`t (see #407) 17:39  |  D.R. Zukerman 24/02/07
  409.   Even handedness Zuckerman 18:42  |  Sharonelle 24/02/07


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