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Posted: February 04, 2007

Bush, the divider

February 03, 2007
Among the hundreds of anecdotes about U.S. deliberation on whether to support the partition plan for Palestine, on the eve of the 1947 United Nations vote, there are some that reveal more about the president than about the supporters of the emerging state. Harry S Truman wavered during those days between his basic sympathy for the vision of the Jewish state and his anger at the incessant pressure exerted upon him. Even after he had announced his decision to support partition, it was actually a letter of appreciation that he received from Claude Pepper, then a U.S. senator from Florida, that managed to rankle him: "While this matter was pending, I received about 35,000 pieces of mail and propaganda from the Jews in this country," a vexed Truman wrote in response to Pepper. "I put it all in a pile and struck a match to it."

Robert J. Donovan, in his 1977 book "Conflict and Crisis," on Truman's first term in office, doubts the veracity of this story. He interviewed several members of the president's staff and they all agreed that the bonfire was only in Truman's imagination. In the end, Truman contained his anger, and the following spring, after Israel declared its statehood, he agreed to recognize it. A somewhat anti-Semitic comment here and there, and Truman's refusal to more actively support Israel after its establishment, did not make much difference. Among "the Jews," he had already taken his place in the golden book of chronicles.

Among the presidents who succeeded him, there were ups and downs - both in their support for Israel and in the fondness of American Jewry for them. Professor Kenneth W. Stein, who resigned from the Jimmy Carter Center after the recent publication of the former president's book, "Palestine: Peace not Apartheid," noted in an article in the current issue of the Middle East Quarterly that the meager support Carter received from Jews in the 1980 elections was a consequence of Carter's "increased pressure on Jerusalem." Since 1920, there had been no Democratic candidate who received so few of their votes, Stein notes in a section of the article entitled "The Roots of Carter's Anger."

The roots of most of American Jewry's anger toward the current president, George W. Bush, cannot be traced to Israel. They did not vote for him in the first place. His ongoing support for Israel may be recognized and appreciated by the establishment, Israeli and Jewish, but it does not receive due credit among a wide Jewish-American public that is liberal, Democratic, dovish and very angry at Bush for significant and various reasons.

Much has been written in recent weeks about the decline in interest in Israel among American Jews, but the writers made scant mention, if they mentioned it at all, of American politics. They should have - because Bush, strange as it may sound, is one of the factors behind the widening of the gap between Jews in America and Israel.

This is one of those bizarre anomalies that characterize the period: The Jews of Israel comprise perhaps the most sympathetic group toward Bush in the entire world. They are certainly more supportive than the general American public and may very well be more sympathetic than any particular group of Americans. On the other hand, American Jews constitute one of the least sympathetic groups. A vast majority of them oppose Bush. Indeed, many really loathe him.

In a survey conducted by Professor Camil Fuchs for Haaretz last November, it turned out that the overwhelming majority of Jewish Israelis do not agree with the statement that Bush is "dangerous for the world" - as the majority of people in Western countries hold (not to speak of public opinion toward Bush in the Middle East). In a Haaretz survey taken before the presidential election two years ago, Bush was clearly preferred by Jewish Israelis over his rival, John Kerry. But the Jews of America voted en masse for Kerry.

Some American Jews have a hard time digesting a reality in which an Israeli prime minister can stand at Bush's side and describe the war in Iraq as an achievement. In fact, it could be said that the Israelis' fondness for Bush actually serves to alienate these American Jews from Israel. It is a sort of purist self-indulgence that does not tolerate contradictions: Jews from Israel. If this is the type of leader Israelis respect, and this is the type of leader who is a fan of Israel, how, these Jews wonder, can they identify with Israel?

And here as well develops a line of revisionist denial of the reality that nearly every average Israeli accepts: Bush is actually "bad for Israel," and only its short-sighted citizenry and leaders fail to realize this. It is ostensibly a positive line, because those who choose it are looking for a way to continue to support Israel. Actually, however, it is patronizing and dangerous, as it is basically an arrogant attempt to deny Israel an independent assessment of the correct path for itself.

Here's the catch. Bill Clinton, the friendliest president until Bush, and Lyndon Johnson, the friendliest until Clinton, did not put the Jews to this type of test. These two presidents received their votes and advocated policies vis-a-vis Israel that were acceptable to most American Jews. In any case, Bush is also the first president for whose support Israel is paying a price, even if it is a hidden price, among other important supporters, the Jews of America. He is making it difficult for a certain Jewish public to understand Israel and is making it easier for them to distance themselves from Israel. Of course, it's not he who is the guilty party. In this test, it is only the Jews who are failing.

  1.   Bush does not care about Israel. 02:51  |  Lori Cowen 04/02/07
  2.   Bush and his affect on American Jews 03:43  |  joseph l klein 04/02/07
  3.   It`s not the man, it`s his ideas and actions 04:09  |  Galgal ha-Khozer 04/02/07
  4.   Why American Jews don`t like Bush 04:18  |  AviP 04/02/07
  5.   It`s not the Politics, its American Society 04:21  |  Barry 04/02/07
  6.   Domestic vs. Foreign Policy 04:39  |  Greg Saltzman 04/02/07
  7.   Bush`s policies don`t help Israel 04:51  |  Ilisia Kissner 04/02/07
  8.   # 3 Bush and Iran 05:00  |  Lynn 04/02/07
  9.   lori cowen southfield 05:26  |  dubious 04/02/07
  10.   Haaretz You May Not Like What I Said But... 06:44  |  Yosemite 04/02/07
  11.   THE USA CANNOT ACCEPT....... 06:46  |  PhiloEvraios 04/02/07
  12.   to evrybody 06:49  |  Pinni 04/02/07
  13.   The Bush base are evangelical Christians 06:55  |  ljm 04/02/07
  14.   Reply to Barry in New York (Post No. 5) 06:56  |  Johnny Weintraub 04/02/07
  15.   Bush is not liked by Jews in US 07:09  |  Dee Dubb 04/02/07
  16.   #12 Pinni; be careful what you wish for! 07:30  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  17.   Bush is not to blame for stupidity of American Jews 08:52  |  Shalom Freedman 04/02/07
  18.   #16 BALLIOSTIC NO ONE EVER WON HALF AFIGHT 08:53  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  19.   All Self -Respecting Jews Should Appreciate George Bush 08:56  |  Tod Zuckerman 04/02/07
  20.   Bush is unpopular with the world 08:58  |  Charles Frith 04/02/07
  21.   American Jews and Israeli Jews 08:59  |  An Arab Neighbor 04/02/07
  22.   Israel likes to own Judaism. . . . 09:08  |  revoltop 04/02/07
  23.   Finally Rosner gets it right 09:31  |  David Howard 04/02/07
  24.   It is always difficult to be a Jew. 09:31  |  sg 04/02/07
  25.   #s 2 and 14 ( Joe and Johnny ) : Well Said 09:35  |  Tod Zuckerman 04/02/07
  26.   More of Rosner`s myopic realm 09:41  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  27.   It is always difficult to be a Jew. 09:58  |  Yosemite 04/02/07
  28.   The one little thing, (many) Israelis still have to learn.... 10:06  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  29.   Yosemite and the Ham 10:08  |  sg 04/02/07
  30.   David Howard & militarism 10:15  |  sg 04/02/07
  31.   That Old Time Religion 10:34  |  Joe 04/02/07
  32.   Reply to #1 Lori 10:39  |  Ben Azai 04/02/07
  33.   Reply to #9 Bismarkian Realpolitik 10:44  |  Sherlock Holmes 04/02/07
  34.   Doesn`t Bush divide USA? AND the world? A man to reckon with! 10:47  |  English Resident 04/02/07
  35.   #13 That is just a blatant LIE 10:48  |  Blue state 04/02/07
  36.   Reply to #13 ` All Jews go to Hell` 10:49  |  Joseph 04/02/07
  37.   American Jews Live In Another Reality 10:53  |  Terry 04/02/07
  38.   Reply to #22 Israel as a religious state 10:56  |  Joe 04/02/07
  39.   That`s right. Blame it on Bush 11:02  |  John Mackie 04/02/07
  40.   No correlation proven... 11:20  |  RW 04/02/07
  41.   Why Americans have turn on you. 11:24  |  John Mackie 04/02/07
  42.   #28, Swiss (Dino) 11:24  |  JB 04/02/07
  43.   For Blue State 11:29  |  Jerrym 04/02/07
  44.   Rosner OK on analysis, wrong on conclusions 11:32  |  dana 04/02/07
  45.   American Jews 11:34  |  Leo 04/02/07
  46.   #4, AviP 11:37  |  JB 04/02/07
  47.   RW #40 doesn`5 get it. 11:37  |  John Mackie 04/02/07
  48.   What Bush did manage to accomplish 11:42  |  Dror 04/02/07
  49.   AviP #4 is right, Rosner fails to understand 11:48  |  dana 04/02/07
  50.   hannah expose the plot again! its the BLOODY ZIONISTS 11:51  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  51.   #39, John 11:55  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  52.   #41 MACKIE WAHT ABOUT EMPIRE KOSHER FOODS IN GROCERY STORES?? 11:57  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  53.   #44 DANA DID YOU FORGET HE WAS ELECTED TWICE ?? 11:59  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  54.   #41, John Mackie 12:01  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  55.   #44, dana 12:02  |  JB 04/02/07
  56.   #40 RW adds a few more good points 12:04  |  dana 04/02/07
  57.   Even dirtier secret 12:11  |  David Howard 04/02/07
  58.   Hannah 12:15  |  John Mackie 04/02/07
  59.   hello paul Harris - long time no talk 12:19  |  dana 04/02/07
  60.   To Paul Harris (not in TelAviv) 12:21  |  John Mackie 04/02/07
  61.   # 42 JB 12:28  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  62.   #58 AFTER 87 YEARS OF TRYING MACKIE FINDS THE WAY TO REAL PEACE 12:28  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  63.   Bush fostering anti-semitic attacks 12:34  |  Dr Les Sachs 04/02/07
  64.   To JB #55 12:35  |  dana 04/02/07
  65.   #58, John 12:35  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  66.   McCain was AIPAC`s man. 12:41  |  Bill 04/02/07
  67.   #57 Howard - question for you 12:42  |  dana 04/02/07
  68.   U can`t divide the God of Israel from Israel 12:50  |  sam 04/02/07
  69.   Bush: Targets 13:00  |  Ronnie Wolman 04/02/07
  70.   @41 Nonsense 13:07  |  Conolly Ryan 04/02/07
  71.   #64, dana 13:10  |  JB 04/02/07
  72.   More for JB #55 - I`ll try and answer 13:13  |  dana 04/02/07
  73.   #61, Swiss (Dino) 13:24  |  JB 04/02/07
  74.   #59 DANA CONVINCED US VOTERS KNOW 13:29  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  75.   #72, dana 13:36  |  JB 04/02/07
  76.   Bush Will Be Out of Office and Then What? 13:54  |  Jane 04/02/07
  77.   #74 paul harris - some walmarts have mcdonald`s in them 13:55  |  dana 04/02/07
  78.   DR.Les Sachs - That`s Crazy 13:56  |  Jane 04/02/07
  79.   GEORGE W. BUSH 14:01  |  CHGODMK 04/02/07
  80.   # 73 JB 14:02  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  81.   The G.W. Bush Legacy 14:09  |  Victor Smolinsky 04/02/07
  82.   dana your post is hopes and fantasies 14:10  |  flashman 04/02/07
  83.   BY THE WAY 14:17  |  CHGODMK 04/02/07
  84.   #58, John Mackie 14:19  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  85.   Rosner: American Jews and Israel 14:33  |  CHGODMK 04/02/07
  86.   Why American Jews do not like Bush 14:38  |  Michael 04/02/07
  87.   likes and dislikes are not fate 14:42  |  arab 04/02/07
  88.   Reply to Dr. Les Sachs (Post No. 63) 14:48  |  Johnny Weintraub 04/02/07
  89.   Hannah & John. All US politicians addicted to AIPAC money and.... 14:53  |  Toronto`s Finest 04/02/07
  90.   # 35 it might not be a lie 14:54  |  arab 04/02/07
  91.   Bush Irony 14:54  |  Tilford Bartman 04/02/07
  92.   Reply to Victor Smolinsky (Post No. 81) 14:59  |  Johnny Weintraub 04/02/07
  93.   Johnny Weintraub 15:10  |  CHGODMK 04/02/07
  94.   All US politicians are PRO-Israel...unless we see another ME 15:14  |  albert amato 04/02/07
  95.   American Jews 15:15  |  Abby 04/02/07
  96.   What Israel is Actually About 15:16  |  ARTH 04/02/07
  97.   Reply to #32 15:25  |  ARTH 04/02/07
  98.   Answer to #37 15:30  |  ARTH 04/02/07
  99.   Johnny Weintraub # 92 15:40  |  Victor Smolinsky 04/02/07
  100.   #79 and #83 chgodmk 15:52  |  val 04/02/07
  101.   Kol HaKavod #37 (good post) 15:54  |  Shlomo 04/02/07
  102.   # 94 albert amato is giving us the confirmation...... 15:55  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  103.   Jubran Khalil Jubran got it Right about Israel 15:55  |  ARTH 04/02/07
  104.   Strange Bedfellows! 16:00  |  Charlie Benlolo 04/02/07
  105.   Val in NY: If you think Bush will go down as a great president 16:06  |  CHGODMK 04/02/07
  106.   Toronto`s Finest Perpetuating Anti-Semitism 16:06  |  Jane 04/02/07
  107.   #15 Dee Dubb 16:10  |  vic 04/02/07
  108.   #89, Toronto`s Finest 16:12  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  109.   re #63, Les Sachs 16:13  |  Richie 04/02/07
  110.   Reply to Hannah 16:15  |  John 04/02/07
  111.   Rosner misses the big high 16:23  |  Tosefta 04/02/07
  112.   So, my Hannah, the Zionists, that is Jews in your 16:24  |  Petra 04/02/07
  113.   Dino # 102..I think they would be honest brokers like the Quartet 16:35  |  albert amato 04/02/07
  114.   tired old f tosefta 16:35  |  flashman 04/02/07
  115.   Answer to Hannah 16:36  |  John 04/02/07
  116.   in the 1950s egyptian intelligence (?) 16:37  |  flashman 04/02/07
  117.   tosefta "in the short term" 16:40  |  flashman 04/02/07
  118.   Bush is playing high-stake poker with Israel 16:43  |  Chaim Gorenstein 04/02/07
  119.   tosefta loves to repeat hoary old stories 16:44  |  sassoon 04/02/07
  120.   #115, John 16:53  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  121.   # 113 albert amato 16:56  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  122.   #106, Jane 16:58  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  123.   Johnny in Texas 16:59  |  GI JOE 04/02/07
  124.   The Christian Vision 17:00  |  Mark Lincoln 04/02/07
  125.   # 106 Jane.Being a realist, makes me an anti-semite? 17:09  |  Toronto`s Finest 04/02/07
  126.   Hannah and Petra and the unanswered questions 17:14  |  Yael 04/02/07
  127.   Response to Hannah 17:15  |  John 04/02/07
  128.   Why I am not a Bush-hating liberal 17:21  |  Seth Halpern 04/02/07
  129.   # 108 Hannah. I agree with you, Jews control Canadian media..... 17:22  |  Toronto`s Finest 04/02/07
  130.   Our verbally diarrhetic "flushman"; aka The Hydra 17:26  |  Tosefta 04/02/07
  131.   #127, John 17:28  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  132.   Ameo day Americans are going to figure out how ridiculous it is 17:37  |  Apartheid 04/02/07
  133.   Hannah aka Khalid - Zionist Jewish American and Proud 17:38  |  Jane 04/02/07
  134.   #131 NO ONE CAN CALL IN THE DEBT HANNAH 17:40  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  135.   Reply to Jane 17:42  |  John 04/02/07
  136.   #127, John, Part 2 17:42  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  137.   Bush has done nothing for ISRAEL 17:45  |  Harry 04/02/07
  138.   No Toronto - Being An Anti-Semite Makes You an Anti-Semite 17:50  |  Jane 04/02/07
  139.   John in Collegeville 17:54  |  Jane 04/02/07
  140.   A Big Joke to Laugh 17:54  |  Thomas 04/02/07
  141.   What Bush ever done for Israel? 17:55  |  The observer. 04/02/07
  142.   Reply to Hannah 17:58  |  John 04/02/07
  143.   #13 "all jews are going to hell"; er, did 18:06  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  144.   #130Toseftathat our flashman 18:08  |  Proct Olo. 04/02/07
  145.   reply to jane 18:09  |  john 04/02/07
  146.   #8, Bush and Rafsanjani 18:12  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  147.   #3,inaction against Iran will lead to further disasters. 18:19  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  148.   action against Iran which will lead to further disasters. 18:28  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  149.   #36 "eternal damnation" 18:29  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  150.   # 138 Jane.Please read my post carefully before shooting...... 18:31  |  Toronto`s Finest 04/02/07
  151.   Saddam vs. Bush; a comparison 18:32  |  Tosefta 04/02/07
  152.   #138, Jane 18:33  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  153.   #41 Uh oh, uh oh John Mackie 18:35  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  154.   Hannah, you were asked some good questions 18:38  |  Yael 04/02/07
  155.   #50 dual citizens! 18:39  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  156.   #139, Jane 18:40  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  157.   # 138 Jane 18:41  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  158.   Divider of JEWS...BUSH!!!! 18:41  |  Ali 04/02/07
  159.   #52 Empire Foods 18:42  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  160.   #53 `elected` versus `selected` 18:43  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  161.   #140, Thomas 18:44  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  162.   Rafsanjani misinterpreted by Vlad #146 18:44  |  Tosefta 04/02/07
  163.   Jane 18:47  |  Abby 04/02/07
  164.   I disagree! 18:50  |  Leon 04/02/07
  165.   #142, John 18:50  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  166.   #62, er, no Paul; 18:50  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  167.   #63; Dr. Les Sachs; er, say what???!!! 18:55  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  168.   #143, Ballistic 18:55  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  169.   reply to Paul 19:09  |  John 04/02/07
  170.   #68 Sam 19:10  |  Labhras 04/02/07
  171.   America Does Not Care for Israel 19:20  |  Paul Zucker 04/02/07
  172.   Response to Yael 19:22  |  John 04/02/07
  173.   free pollard and to me you`ll be the uniter 19:24  |  nussan 04/02/07
  174.   Reply to Dino 19:26  |  John 04/02/07
  175.   Israel and Bill Clinton 19:27  |  Paul Zucker 04/02/07
  176.   #94 all american politicians support 19:28  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  177.   Bunch of ungratefull complainers! 19:31  |  David R 04/02/07
  178.   Abby 19:32  |  John 04/02/07
  179.   3165 ballistic FINDS GREAT DIFFICULTY IN FACTS 19:35  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  180.   Reply to Hannah 19:36  |  John 04/02/07
  181.   Anti-Semites Need to Walk a Mile in Jewish Shoes 19:36  |  Jane 04/02/07
  182.   Zionism: Divider of Jews (and Gentiles) 19:37  |  peacelover 04/02/07
  183.   no. 41 19:39  |  black mexican indian 04/02/07
  184.   Hannah Giving Jewish Posters a Nightmare 19:40  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  185.   Walk a Mile in Jewish Shoes continued 19:41  |  Jane 04/02/07
  186.   To num. 45 19:43  |  no more 04/02/07
  187.   #157, Ali 19:44  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  188.   Reply to Seth Halpern (Post No. 128) 19:48  |  Johnny Weintraub 04/02/07
  189.   Ballistic #165 - You Used That Expression Several Times 19:49  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  190.   Jane 19:51  |  John 04/02/07
  191.   56 19:52  |  clean own house 1st 04/02/07
  192.   Jane # 185 Give it Up 19:54  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  193.   Val---I don`t believe any help will be 19:55  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  194.   to no 58 19:56  |  Chaim Tovim 04/02/07
  195.   for 63 20:00  |  Justin fact 04/02/07
  196.   #179 Hey Paul; put your glasses on 20:02  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  197.   #177 Uh oh, David R; preach to em, preach! 20:05  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  198.   Jane.....explain please 20:05  |  Krin 04/02/07
  199.   #181, Jane 20:10  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  200.   Vlad misinterpreted by Tosefta #162 20:10  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  201.   #184, Whopper 20:13  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  202.   #106 Jane--hey, two of your brethren 20:13  |  ballsitic 04/02/07
  203.   Toronto`s Finest - ARAB lobby assisting the Jewish Lobby 20:13  |  Gina 04/02/07
  204.   Jane 181 and 185..we are so diverse..you got that right 20:14  |  albert amato 04/02/07
  205.   #149,Upon Jesus` return, ALL who do not accept him will die. 20:16  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  206.   # 174 John 20:17  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  207.   #112 Since when does a statement of fact 20:17  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  208.   Hannah# 187 Lest the Posters be Mislead by Your Lies 20:18  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  209.   John 20:21  |  Gina 04/02/07
  210.   Disintegration of Principle 20:22  |  Ben Brackley 04/02/07
  211.   #143,How is this reconcilable with what Jews believe? 20:23  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  212.   reply to Chaim 20:25  |  John 04/02/07
  213.   158 20:25  |  Att`em Israel 04/02/07
  214.   Oh Knock It Off! 20:30  |  Yosemite 04/02/07
  215.   number 187 20:33  |  Chaim Tovim 04/02/07
  216.   #151,Khaled Mash`al vs. Bush; a comparison 20:34  |  VLAD 04/02/07
  217.   # 181 / 185 Jane 20:35  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  218.   Hannah # 201- I Get Very Offended When You Mispell My Name 20:35  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  219.   Most U.S. Jews are IGNORANT about Israel 20:39  |  Peter W. 04/02/07
  220.   #173 free Pollard; er, I read recently 20:41  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  221.   Rosner- Did Israeli interests get Bush `elected`? 20:42  |  robin 04/02/07
  222.   Reply to Gina 20:44  |  John 04/02/07
  223.   #68 Sam, er, I was wondering, who is this god of 20:46  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  224.   #69 God plans and God plans! 20:48  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  225.   #70 er, what does being a `friend` of 20:54  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  226.   # 181 / 185 Jane (2) 20:54  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  227.   Hannah # 201 - Is That Your Best Shot At Me? 20:55  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  228.   VLAD #205 -- And those that do will also die -- we`re all mortal 20:55  |  bbl 04/02/07
  229.   Let`s Just Be Humane To Each Other 20:57  |  Jane 04/02/07
  230.   #205 Vlad 20:59  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  231.   Gina, Jane, and the likes 21:01  |  Abby 04/02/07
  232.   Reply to Phinias 21:01  |  John 04/02/07
  233.   ballistic 207 -- just cause you read it on the internet... 21:05  |  bbl 04/02/07
  234.   hannah "my thoughts give nightmares to the zionists" 21:07  |  flashman 04/02/07
  235.   hannah your post on the american economy is 21:09  |  flashman 04/02/07
  236.   Even Pheroah took care of Moses 21:11  |  Universal Truth 04/02/07
  237.   hannah and the state of the american economy 21:13  |  flashman 04/02/07
  238.   #203, Gina 21:14  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  239.   hannah the economy of china is nothing without its ability to 21:15  |  flashman 04/02/07
  240.   hannah so in your words the usa is to be pitied 21:17  |  flashman 04/02/07
  241.   Swiss (Dino) #28 21:18  |  Tim R 04/02/07
  242.   #208, Whopper 21:18  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  243.   Ben Brackley - Well Written Post 21:19  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  244.   hannah google yahoo and microsoft 21:20  |  flashman 04/02/07
  245.   John Mackie #39 21:21  |  Tim R 04/02/07
  246.   hannah the united states and iran 21:23  |  flashman 04/02/07
  247.   but says hannah the iranians would retailaite. 21:26  |  flashman 04/02/07
  248.   Jewish Media Running Super Bowl Today 21:27  |  Jane 04/02/07
  249.   #185 Jane on antisemitic 21:28  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  250.   hannah "i can go on and on" 21:29  |  flashman 04/02/07
  251.   #210 Ben, enjoyed your insightful post! 21:31  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  252.   John Mackie #41 The Modern Day Proponent Of Medieval Blood Libels 21:33  |  Tim R 04/02/07
  253.   208 Phynias 21:34  |  Cat 04/02/07
  254.   back to the issue 21:36  |  KT 04/02/07
  255.   #203 Gina, with all due respect, 21:37  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  256.   Jane 133 21:38  |  Cat 04/02/07
  257.   respnse to Barry 21:42  |  John 04/02/07
  258.   tosefta "memri is paranoid" 21:44  |  flashman 04/02/07
  259.   Jew haters alert 21:49  |  herb glatter 04/02/07
  260.   Flasman 21:52  |  John 04/02/07
  261.   # 217 Tim R 21:55  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  262.   Toronto`s Finest - ARAB lobby assisting the Jewish Lobby --- 2 21:55  |  Gina 04/02/07
  263.   Flashman on economics 21:59  |  John 04/02/07
  264.   #134--no debt can`t be called in Paul cause 22:13  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  265.   Hannah # 218 - I Will be Happy To Do So 22:22  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  266.   Bush and the american empire 22:29  |  david 04/02/07
  267.   #211 bbl, come on now, you are being 22:31  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  268.   ballistic 22:31  |  Lynn 04/02/07
  269.   American Jews blandness have been addicted to Democrat party 22:37  |  e.m 04/02/07
  270.   john 22:43  |  flashman 04/02/07
  271.   #230, Whopper 22:43  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  272.   #148, might benevolent of you to gamble 22:49  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  273.   _ 22:51  |  dan 04/02/07
  274.   GREAT post #151, yessiree, it is. 22:51  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  275.   Perle,Wolfowitz,Fieth back door bandits 22:51  |  Billy Jack 04/02/07
  276.   John #239, guide for the perplexed. 22:51  |  dana 04/02/07
  277.   Swiss 22:52  |  Gina 04/02/07
  278.   flashman 22:55  |  John 04/02/07
  279.   is hannah on the defensive 22:57  |  rachel weiss 04/02/07
  280.   #210 Ben - breath of fresh air on a bad Sunday 22:59  |  dana 04/02/07
  281.   Hannah - so you don`t deny 22:59  |  Gina 04/02/07
  282.   ballistic -- there is never any justification to call 23:02  |  Gina 04/02/07
  283.   American Jews and Bush, Israel, Democrates and Republicans 23:03  |  Dave from Chicago 04/02/07
  284.   Ballistic # 224 and Anti-Semitism 23:05  |  Phinias Whoppy 04/02/07
  285.   #257 Yeah, right, and we went to 23:07  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  286.   John -- what does war have to do with 23:07  |  Gina 04/02/07
  287.   George Bush is `anti-human`... 23:08  |  Maureen Ann 04/02/07
  288.   #258 Giuliani? Forget get it! 23:10  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  289.   Reply to Dana 23:10  |  john 04/02/07
  290.   Everyone Just Vote For Rudy 23:11  |  Yosemite 04/02/07
  291.   American Jews continued 23:13  |  Dave from Chicago 04/02/07
  292.   #270, Gina 23:16  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  293.   john 23:16  |  flashman 04/02/07
  294.   #254 more fiscal ignorance from ballistic!! ILL DO IT AGAIN 23:18  |  paul harris 04/02/07
  295.   #211 Yosemite; pick another candidate 23:19  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  296.   #286, Gina 23:21  |  Hannah 04/02/07
  297.   #256, david 23:27  |  JB 04/02/07
  298.   Senor Patron Rosner 23:28  |  Stephen Connor 04/02/07
  299.   Respone to Gina 23:34  |  John 04/02/07
  300.   #282 I`d ask the same question even if 23:34  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  301.   KT - #243 on the divergence 23:35  |  dana 04/02/07
  302.   Reality Dave - Chicago Style 23:38  |  Stephen Connor 04/02/07
  303.   #284 Phinias, I am well aware of 23:42  |  ballistic 04/02/07
  304.   john sucking up to dana 23:43  |  geoffery fineman 04/02/07
  305.   Reply to Jane 23:45  |  John 04/02/07
  306.   #289 John, but it`s still off-topic 23:46  |  dana 04/02/07
  307.   Tosefta #151 - Cutest yet 23:50  |  dana 04/02/07
  308.   # 277 Gina 23:56  |  Swiss (Dino) 04/02/07
  309.   Re:Maureen ,Jihadis are anti-human 00:00  |  e.m 05/02/07
  310.   Michael #86 - when you quote please give credit 00:00  |  dana 05/02/07
  311.   Hannah # 218 -[he] Will be Whoppy To Do So 00:06  |  Stephen Connor 05/02/07
  312.   Tosefta #111 00:07  |  Victor Smolinsky 05/02/07
  313.   Flashman #82 - you misunderstood, as always 00:09  |  dana 05/02/07
  314.   Proven Right 00:13  |  Sam 05/02/07
  315.   Israel is lining up with the worst in America 00:13  |  Victor 05/02/07
  316.   Dear John #232 - Thank You for Your Kind Comments 00:42  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  317.   john collegeville from america 00:52  |  agnelli 05/02/07
  318.   john of united states 00:54  |  agnelli 05/02/07
  319.   Bush 01:00  |  Shmuelshachor 05/02/07
  320.   Swiss (Dino) #261 01:04  |  Tim R 05/02/07
  321.   #259 "democracy for all citizens" 01:07  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  322.   Bush the divider 01:11  |  Labhras 05/02/07
  323.   Jews are bad for Israel.... 01:13  |  Blogowitz 05/02/07
  324.   Toronto`s Finest #125 01:19  |  Tim R 05/02/07
  325.   Swiss (Dino) #217 01:28  |  Tim R 05/02/07
  326.   Re:Maureen ,Jihadis are anti-human 01:45  |  e.m 05/02/07
  327.   Bush is working on ARMAGEDON for the JEWS 01:46  |  Ali 05/02/07
  328.   To Mr. Rosner. GOOD ARTICLE FOR WHICH I HAD READ BEFORE... 01:48  |  Kath` 05/02/07
  329.   Israel DID Not Support The War in Iraq 01:49  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  330.   Sorry Shmuel Shuker # 294- Bush is a Disaster 02:12  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  331.   # 297 Tim R 02:18  |  Swiss (Dino) 05/02/07
  332.   To # 5, it`s the society... 02:31  |  Shmuelshachor 05/02/07
  333.   Arab 02:41  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  334.   # 124 Mark Lincoln 02:48  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  335.   Dana, you are deluding yourself 02:53  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/02/07
  336.   Thanks (Dana #293; Victor Smolinsky #298) 02:54  |  Tosefta 05/02/07
  337.   Phinias Whoppy - don`t know what post you are referring to 02:54  |  dana 05/02/07
  338.   ISRAEL&USA HAVE THE COMMON ENEMY - ISLAM 02:59  |  VLAD 05/02/07
  339.   #291e.m George Bush is the cause uprising in... 03:00  |  Maureen Ann 05/02/07
  340.   # 171 Bush and the Muslim fundis 03:01  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  341.   NEVER AGAIN, WE WILL FIGHT BACK 03:03  |  VLAD 05/02/07
  342.   Rewriting history (Phinias Whoppy #315) 03:04  |  Whoppy Goldberg 05/02/07
  343.   # 311 Tim R. 03:04  |  Swiss (Dino) 05/02/07
  344.   #315 Phinias 03:14  |  Labhras 05/02/07
  345.   Phynias #315 - another comment 03:18  |  dana 05/02/07
  346.   # 255 ballistic and lies 03:24  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  347.   # 56 dana 03:31  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  348.   KT #254 - lots of good posts on this board 03:32  |  dana 05/02/07
  349.   #269 e.m. 03:34  |  KT 05/02/07
  350.   Bush The Divider 03:36  |  Nicola Berardi 05/02/07
  351.   # 146 Vlad 03:42  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  352.   So? 03:51  |  KT 05/02/07
  353.   # 155 Duals 03:51  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  354.   # 314 em 03:53  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  355.   # 315 Ali 03:55  |  Lynn 05/02/07
  356.   Jewish Dems will stop ZIM trucks from rolling down US Interstates 04:04  |  GOP Jew 05/02/07
  357.   Rewriting history (Phinias Whoppy #317) 04:14  |  Whoppy Goldberg 05/02/07
  358.   To Phinias on # 318 04:23  |  Shmuelshachor 05/02/07
  359.   To PhiloEvarios 04:24  |  Paul Zloto 05/02/07
  360.   #326 Lynn; I believe my point was clearly stated 04:26  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  361.   Thanks (Dana #293; Victor Smolinsky #298) 04:28  |  Tosefta 05/02/07
  362.   ballistic #291 I Agree With the direction of Your Post 04:29  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  363.   #325 what do you do when you encounter 04:38  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  364.   Rafsanjani misinterpreted (Lynn #324; Vlad #146) 04:38  |  Tosefta 05/02/07
  365.   #151, Tosefta, "Saddaam: kept terrorists out of Iraq" 04:44  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/02/07
  366.   Swiss (Dino) 05:06  |  KT 05/02/07
  367.   The Abominable Slowman 05:15  |  Me 05/02/07
  368.   I am an American Jew for Bush 05:41  |  Jason 05/02/07
  369.   Swiss - the US waited until Abbas would confront Hamas 05:43  |  Gina 05/02/07
  370.   The reason is 05:45  |  Danite 05/02/07
  371.   Tosefta #330 05:51  |  Danite 05/02/07
  372.   Phineas Whoopy 05:52  |  Danite 05/02/07
  373.   Phineas Whoopy #304 05:55  |  Danite 05/02/07
  374.   Cipora 06:00  |  Danite 05/02/07
  375.   Reply to John from Collegeville PA 06:01  |  Barry 05/02/07
  376.   Bush and Israel 06:20  |  Stephen Mayo 05/02/07
  377.   #330 Tosefta re: Flashman 06:24  |  Smadar 05/02/07
  378.   Yosemite, #290.... 06:30  |  Webster 05/02/07
  379.   #321 Lynn - are we talking about the same thing? 06:47  |  dana 05/02/07
  380.   Whoppy Goldberg # 328 Re Israel Support for The War 07:09  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  381.   Bush and Israel 07:12  |  Leon 05/02/07
  382.   Whoppy Goldberg # 328 Further to My Earlier Post to You 07:18  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  383.   Swiss (Dino) #319 07:20  |  Tim R 05/02/07
  384.   BUSH IS A MUSLIM 07:47  |  indrajaya 05/02/07
  385.   Maureen Ann 07:53  |  Connie 05/02/07
  386.   Amato- Hamas recognizing Israel 08:06  |  Ben 05/02/07
  387.   #374, Danite 08:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 05/02/07
  388.   Todah Danite Mispar 372 08:22  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  389.   Dana # 337, and Labhras # 344 re Iraq War and Israeli Opposition 09:34  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  390.   Ciporah #335 - Me deluded/ 09:34  |  dana 05/02/07
  391.   Tosefta #361 - Here is a recycled old idea re our friend 09:43  |  dana 05/02/07
  392.   To Me #367 - you`re right; seems worse than usual 09:46  |  dana 05/02/07
  393.   Danite #371 - don`t worry 09:54  |  dana 05/02/07
  394.   To Shmuelshachor # 358 10:00  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  395.   Indrajaya # 384 10:07  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  396.   Phinias - I accept your references, but 11:27  |  dana 05/02/07
  397.   # 395, PHINIAS WHOPPY 11:43  |  indrajaya 05/02/07
  398.   Man or Country will Change What God Has proclaimed to take place 14:23  |  Bea 05/02/07
  399.   Tosefta #336 - Re: "Flashman" 14:36  |  Victor Smolinsky 05/02/07
  400.   No need to accept Whoppy`s rewrite of history (Dana #396) 16:07  |  Whoppy Goldberg 05/02/07
  401.   what about europe? 16:29  |  simon from London 05/02/07
  402.   #342 Whoppy--:Like John Kerry, Israel was 17:34  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  403.   #346 read a little deeper into history; problems 17:38  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  404.   #362 Phinias 17:45  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  405.   #346 Hey Lynn; do you approve of any posters 17:54  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  406.   Bush, Blair bigger murderers than Saddam and al-Qaida 18:23  |  Dav 05/02/07
  407.   re sg`s remarks 19:29  |  Ronnie J Pike II 05/02/07
  408.   Most US Jews are Liberal 20:15  |  Mike 05/02/07
  409.   Whoppy Goldberg # 400 re Accepting Rewrite of History 20:35  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  410.   Bush - his nefarious agenda exposed 21:38  |  robin 05/02/07
  411.   ballistic # 404 re Thin Skin 21:54  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  412.   Robin # 410 Re Bush 22:01  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  413.   to #302 Stephan 22:20  |  Dave from Chicago 05/02/07
  414.   to 302 Stephan (cont).... 22:30  |  Dave from Chicago 05/02/07
  415.   Excellent Comments # 407 Ronnie J Pike II 22:58  |  Phinias Whoppy 05/02/07
  416.   #411 I am afraid I missed the joke, or lack 23:04  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  417.   Phinias - whoopie #412 23:40  |  robin 05/02/07
  418.   #417 Hey Bush is a "Skull of Bones" man, like 23:56  |  ballistic 05/02/07
  419.   Bush 00:06  |  P. J. Casey 06/02/07
  420.   Robin, #410, 417 - New York Rules! 00:07  |  dana 06/02/07
  421.   it`s like this 00:31  |  margaret 06/02/07
  422.   Jews and Democrates 00:34  |  Salty 06/02/07
  423.   Yes, the Jews DO control Hollywood, the media, and the US Congres 01:15  |  Nathan 06/02/07
  424.   Why aren`t Jews Americans first? 01:22  |  Nathan 06/02/07
  425.   Disliking Bush 01:28  |  David 06/02/07
  426.   I love Hannah 01:33  |  Nathan 06/02/07
  427.   Evangelicals do believe all Jews will go to hell 01:38  |  Susan 06/02/07
  428.   reply to #32 01:41  |  David 06/02/07
  429.   Jane doesn`t know what she`s talking about 01:44  |  Nathan 06/02/07
  430.   lessons 01:55  |  Jim Lindsey 06/02/07
  431.   ballistic # 416. It Was Not a Joke 02:52  |  Phinias Whoppy 06/02/07
  432.   Hey Nathan # 424 - Nathan Hot Dogs Are as American as Apple Pie 02:58  |  Phinias Whoppy 06/02/07
  433.   #425 Enjoyed your post!!! 02:59  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  434.   Nathan # 423 - I Would not Publicize this if I Were You 03:29  |  Dick Hertz 06/02/07
  435.   Hey Nathan!! You are alright, yessiree, 04:05  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  436.   The Diaspora isn`t just AIPAC 04:07  |  Fortuna 06/02/07
  437.   #432. er, come on now, you are apparently 04:15  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  438.   Phinias continued 04:20  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  439.   Phinias 04:27  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  440.   Thanks Jim Lindsey From the Great Show Me State 04:53  |  Phinias Whoppy 06/02/07
  441.   WOW Ballistic # 437, 438, and 439 05:51  |  Phinias Whoppy 06/02/07
  442.   #441 Hey Phinias, certainly none of what you are saying 06:33  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  443.   Bush, the GREATEST president ever 07:49  |  Bush FAN 06/02/07
  444.   #443 Bush is an idiot 08:00  |  ballistic 06/02/07
  445.   it`s the civilization 10:59  |  Jillian 06/02/07
  446.   ILISSIA KISSNER-You Have NO CLUE 12:58  |  Josue 06/02/07
  447.   Skin Deep support 16:07  |  The Barber 06/02/07
  448.   To Lilian # 445 16:15  |  Fortruna 06/02/07
  449.   Ballistic 16:16  |  Yosemite 06/02/07
  450.   LETS GET IT STRAIGHT-1 18:34  |  Ronnie J Pike II 06/02/07
  451.   LETS GET IT STRAIGHT-2 18:57  |  Ronnie J Pike II 06/02/07
  452.   #450 you forgot a few ... 19:10  |  margaret 06/02/07
  453.   Hold It!!! 22:16  |  Gene 06/02/07
  454.   #449 Yosemite, yes, and so do a lot of other 00:36  |  ballistic 07/02/07
  455.   #Uh oh, margaret, enjoyed your post 00:39  |  ballistic 07/02/07
  456.   #453 do you think Bush is a religious man? 00:44  |  ballistic 07/02/07
  457.   The Real Religion of Israel Answer to #17 02:06  |  ARTH 07/02/07
  458.   Ballistic: What Do I Think????? 08:58  |  Yosemite 07/02/07
  459.   Phinias Whoppy--Israeli leadership didn`t want US to invade Iraq? 13:13  |  A T Wilson 07/02/07
  460.   Be Devided??? Be Conquered!!! 21:19  |  Gene 07/02/07
  461.   Lori Cowen, "America does not care about Israel" 01:18  |  Ron 08/02/07
  462.   Bush..the Jewish honeymoon never began. 04:02  |  Max Gersenson 08/02/07
  463.   Response to #462 21:19  |  Arth 08/02/07
  464.   jews did not vote for bush 02:10  |  Lori Cowen 09/02/07
  465.   It`s not Bush 10:35  |  D.R. Zukerman 09/02/07
  466.   bush the hila 14:14  |  philip 09/02/07
  467.   Bush, the Divider 22:38  |  Brian Saint-Yves 10/02/07
  468.   Americn dislike of Bush 22:49  |  Alain Broussard 10/02/07
  469.   Bush, the devider 22:57  |  Patrick Gallagher 10/02/07
  470.   Answer to #17 Part B 07:10  |  ARTH 11/02/07
  471.   #59 Dana 01:24  |  Silvy 18/02/07
  472.   Aren`t we forgetting something? 17:29  |  John McAlpin 19/02/07
  473.   Bush, the divider 03:26  |  Prof. Paul Hatgil 17/03/08
  474.   Israel defends itself 03:41  |  Prof. Paul Hatgil 17/03/08


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