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Posted:

Christmas trees, Menorahs and the shortcut to hell

December 13, 2006
1.

You're probably familiar with the details of the incident: Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky, of the Seattle chapter of Chabad-Lubavitch, had requested that the Port of Seattle include an electric menorah as part of the airport's holiday display this year. The reaction: The port's managers removed the Christmas trees. A public outcry erupted, and the trees were restored. End of story? It is and it isn't.

2.

"This has been an unfortunate situation for all of us in Seattle," Port of Seattle Commission President Pat Davis said in a statement. "The Rabbi never asked us to remove the trees; it was the port's decision based on what we knew at the time. We very much appreciate the Rabbi's willingness to work with us as we move forward."

3.

The explanation does give one a sense of relief: It's not the Rabbi's fault - if he never asked to remove the trees, there was no reason to remove the trees.

4.

It doesn't solve, though, the problem of public perception of this incident. The reporting on this story in most news outlets gives one the impression that the trees were taken off "because of the Jew." Look at these examples:

From the Chicago Tribune: "Fourteen plastic trees were removed after Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky of Seattle threatened to sue if an 8-foot menorah wasn't also added to the display."

From Fox news: "Officials had ordered the trees taken down over the weekend after a local rabbi threatened a lawsuit if a menorah wasn't also displayed at the airport."

From the Seattle Post Intelligencer: "By removing Christmas trees on display to satisfy a rabbi who wanted an electric menorah next to the trees..."

From the Seattle Times: "The departure of Christmas tree displays at main passageways at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport - the Port of Seattle's response to a local rabbi's insistence that an electric menorah also be put up."

From the Houston Chronicle: "...putting up the trees they had taken down at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport Friday night after a local rabbi requested that a Hanukkah menorah also be displayed."

And I can go on and on and on.

5.

And why were these trees taken off in the first place? The explanation the port has given is quite strange. "From what we were made to understand, if we didn't accede to the group's demands, they would file a lawsuit... at the time, it seemed to be a reasonable solution to remove the Christmas trees."

Reasonable? Let's assume that we believe the port's claim that they actually thought there was a threat of a lawsuit. Wouldn't it be easier for them to put a menorah up rather than remove all the trees? It would have taken less time, cost less money and - well - would have left the trees intact.

6.

And what about the rabbi? "Our discussion of possible legal action," Chabad stated, "was never about removing Christmas trees - it was about protecting the right to add Menorahs."

What "right to add Menorahs?" Right of whom? And to add them by force? What's the point? If good intentions are the shortcut to hell, then this is a study case, a map, for such a shortcut.

7.

"I am devastated, shocked and appalled at the decision that the Port of Seattle came to," the Rabbi said, and I'm sure he is. But the damage has been done. The threat of a lawsuit is the inadequate substitute for thinking.

8.

Narrative 1: Dare I say it without sounding anti-Semitic - an enthusiastic, aggressive (oh, well, pushy) Jew meets the - dare I say it without sounding anti-Christian - hostile (gentile) establishment. Or: I-will-use-every-tool-to-prove-these-are-the-holidays-and-not-just-Christmas Jew meets the I-will-use-every-excuse-as-not-to-add-a-Jewish-symbol gentile.

9.

Narrative 2: Dare I say it without sounding anti-Semitic - a smart-ass rabbi meets the - dare I say it without sounding anti-Christian - stiff necked (gentile) establishment. Or: I'm-so-well-versed-on-my-constitutional-rights-that-I-can-file-a-lawsuit-against-George-Washington-himself Jew meets the I'm-so-scared-of-lawsuits-that-I-can't-even-think-when-people-use-the-L-word gentile.

10.

Pick your choice and happy holidays.

  1.   Rosner, you have it wrong 22:26  |  McQueen 13/12/06
  2.   Pushy Jews and Christnucah 22:45  |  Ben Azai 13/12/06
  3.   Rosner got it exactly right 22:46  |  Tony Pace 13/12/06
  4.   Best possible result under the circumastances 22:49  |  Yehoshua ben Eleizer 13/12/06
  5.   missing the point... 23:20  |  michael 13/12/06
  6.   yehoshua ben eleizer 23:22  |  dubious 13/12/06
  7.   Christmas trees? Religious? 23:25  |  elizabethan11 13/12/06
  8.   Trees, etc. 23:25  |  Hinton 13/12/06
  9.   a tiny minority holding hostage the rest 23:25  |  Evan 13/12/06
  10.   Missing the point 23:28  |  Tom 13/12/06
  11.   Jews, Christians and Christmas 23:28  |  Eric 13/12/06
  12.   One is federal one is not . . . . 23:32  |  revoltop 13/12/06
  13.   Freaking Whining minorities..... 23:33  |  Steve 13/12/06
  14.   Welcome To America 23:33  |  Tony Anthony 13/12/06
  15.   McQueen, you have it almost right 23:35  |  Margaret 13/12/06
  16.   McQueen, you`ve hit the point 23:38  |  Don Levey 13/12/06
  17.   Have we lost perspective? 23:40  |  Bobbi 13/12/06
  18.   Yehoshua, you`re all wrong 23:50  |  Pork Tenderloin 13/12/06
  19.   Put all symbols for winter holidays 23:50  |  Hinton 13/12/06
  20.   Christian lawsuit 23:51  |  Doug 13/12/06
  21.   A Simple View-Busy Leaders 00:01  |  Lafferty 14/12/06
  22.   To all McQueen`s followers 00:09  |  Y. Ellis 14/12/06
  23.   "Their establishment"? 00:24  |  Sam 14/12/06
  24.   Christnucah revisited 00:25  |  Ben Azai 14/12/06
  25.   Christmas trees 00:40  |  Tim 14/12/06
  26.   Christmas Trees 00:53  |  Scrooge (reformed) 14/12/06
  27.   So would Israel... 01:28  |  Thinker 14/12/06
  28.   non sense 02:03  |  Evan 14/12/06
  29.   Stiffnecked Airport management 04:00  |  Stephen Folkson 14/12/06
  30.   Jewish Chutzpah galore 04:46  |  Holden 14/12/06
  31.   Tannenbaum is not a X-mas symbol 05:08  |  Irene 14/12/06
  32.   rosner the wrongner 05:19  |  Jeff Noginsky 14/12/06
  33.   Holden: Christmas trees in church? 05:26  |  DIL 14/12/06
  34.   Let`s try it again... 05:27  |  Don Levey 14/12/06
  35.   HOLDEN - THREE STRIKES 05:38  |  Dr David I. Gross 14/12/06
  36.   If You Want It Dne Right... 06:01  |  Afellow 14/12/06
  37.   Ben Azai 06:45  |  Gina 14/12/06
  38.   Seattle Airport Trees 06:47  |  walter spector 14/12/06
  39.   To All 06:52  |  Gina 14/12/06
  40.   No win situation 07:12  |  Tilford Bartman 14/12/06
  41.   Menorah is a religious symbol . . . 08:58  |  revoltop 14/12/06
  42.   Christnucah 09:21  |  Joe 14/12/06
  43.   Christmas Trees 09:30  |  Johnny Weintraub 14/12/06
  44.   Christmas celebrates the birth of a Jew ! 09:41  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  45.   TRUE STORY 09:50  |  Mike 14/12/06
  46.   Pagan origins of Tannenbaum 09:57  |  Joseph 14/12/06
  47.   Roses are red 10:08  |  Clickfool 14/12/06
  48.   OH THE INSIDIOUSNESS: Now He`s The Victim? YOU Make Things WORSE! 10:09  |  Proud Pal Defender 14/12/06
  49.   Paul - Christmas in the Netherlands 10:17  |  Davids 14/12/06
  50.   A bried but telling diversion 10:43  |  Natallie Durson 14/12/06
  51.   Pagans festivals are awesome . . . 11:07  |  revoltop 14/12/06
  52.   # 49 Davids, we have nothing against Germans ! 11:13  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  53.   Evan 12:21  |  PS 14/12/06
  54.   sueing over everything 12:24  |  PS 14/12/06
  55.   52 - Paul now you`re really pulling my leg! 12:30  |  Davids 14/12/06
  56.   Xmas trees are a Christian Symbol no matter 12:37  |  Steve 14/12/06
  57.   hey fool we are all Jewish including you 12:43  |  steve 14/12/06
  58.   About those trees... 12:44  |  Davids 14/12/06
  59.   Yeah holden, thats America for you happy holiday 12:46  |  Steve 14/12/06
  60.   hey doug jews that celebrate XMAS are not Jews. 12:54  |  Steve 14/12/06
  61.   Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho. 13:23  |  john davies 14/12/06
  62.   T0 44 Paul.. 13:28  |  yoni mac 14/12/06
  63.   #44 Christmas tree 13:48  |  Eduard 14/12/06
  64.   Could anyone tell me if... 14:24  |  tuairimiocht 14/12/06
  65.   A get rich scheme by the local Rabbi 14:31  |  Chris linthwaite 14/12/06
  66.   JEWS, MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS 14:59  |  COUCOUCOUCOU 14/12/06
  67.   You People Worry Too Much! 15:11  |  Yosemite Sam 14/12/06
  68.   Chris #65 15:19  |  avi Yerushalmi 14/12/06
  69.   Menorah, Christmas, trees, or....? 15:20  |  Phillippe 14/12/06
  70.   The rabbi is an idiot 15:27  |  Stephen Murray 14/12/06
  71.   What appeared before Xmas 2006 ? 15:41  |  Avrum 14/12/06
  72.   For Joseph # 46 15:48  |  Victor Smolinsky 14/12/06
  73.   # 70 Stephen Murray ----the rabbi is a idiot 15:54  |  tbora 14/12/06
  74.   CHRISTMAS TREES?! 16:03  |  pop-up 14/12/06
  75.   #68 avi Yerushalmi 16:16  |  Chris Linthwaite 14/12/06
  76.   #4 16:23  |  kyle 14/12/06
  77.   avi Yerushalmi 16:27  |  lynn 14/12/06
  78.   Peace on earth and goodwill to all men?!? 16:34  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  79.   Chill pill 16:34  |  Bob 14/12/06
  80.   What one Rabbi has to say about the issue 16:35  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  81.   Christmas vs. Hanukkah 16:41  |  Pilly 14/12/06
  82.   And why, Natalie? Is a new discussion `bad` 16:45  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  83.   Pushy attempt now lets cover our ass! 17:05  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/06
  84.   shortest cut to hell !!!!! 17:06  |  tbora 14/12/06
  85.   Phoney Chabad argument 17:17  |  Tosefta 14/12/06
  86.   Jacob Blues #80 17:19  |  Joanne 14/12/06
  87.   To Jacob 17:46  |  aryeh shore 14/12/06
  88.   Rosner starts off well... 17:48  |  Jake 14/12/06
  89.   Natallie Durson #50 17:53  |  Sarah 14/12/06
  90.   "Pork Tenderloin", nobody ASKED for Christmas trees to be removed 17:53  |  Jake 14/12/06
  91.   Chris #77 17:57  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/06
  92.   Yaakov Sullivan # 83 18:01  |  Victor Smolinsky 14/12/06
  93.   Sullivan`s Freudian fumblings 18:03  |  Jake 14/12/06
  94.   jacob blues # 78 18:14  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/06
  95.   # 78 Jacob Blues, have your Chanukiah ! 18:16  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  96.   Paul Henzen 18:20  |  charles 14/12/06
  97.   Onward Christian Soldiers !!! 18:22  |  Yehoshua Ben Eliezer 14/12/06
  98.   No Castles in the air, Jake, just blindness on your part #90 18:27  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/06
  99.   #70 calling the rabbi an idiot 18:29  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  100.   hanukkah 18:40  |  charles 14/12/06
  101.   Jews at Christmas 18:46  |  margaret 14/12/06
  102.   to Paul Henzen...Denmark 18:50  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  103.   # 96 charles 19:08  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  104.   It`s simple Paul, Messianic Jews are cultists 19:10  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  105.   I don`t consider it pandering Joanne 19:13  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  106.   Funny you should mention a co-op margaret 19:21  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  107.   BIG DEAL!! 19:29  |  Stephen Connor 14/12/06
  108.   I don`t get the fuss 19:35  |  Ben Asher 14/12/06
  109.   Chris linthwaite 19:36  |  Gina 14/12/06
  110.   Yosemite Sam 19:36  |  Gina 14/12/06
  111.   Nativity scene 19:39  |  Ethan 14/12/06
  112.   Stephen Murray 19:40  |  Gina 14/12/06
  113.   #99 Taz 19:41  |  Chris Linthwaite 14/12/06
  114.   # 102 to TAZ........Canada ;) 19:49  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  115.   Joanne 19:55  |  Gina 14/12/06
  116.   Victor Smolinsky 20:00  |  Gina 14/12/06
  117.   Paul Henzen 20:02  |  charles 14/12/06
  118.   Paul Henzen - good post! 20:05  |  Gina 14/12/06
  119.   Jacob Blues 20:12  |  Gina 14/12/06
  120.   Jake #105 20:22  |  joanne 14/12/06
  121.   Paul Henzen 20:26  |  charles 14/12/06
  122.   #109 Gina 20:27  |  Chris Linthwaite 14/12/06
  123.   Confusion 20:33  |  Tony 14/12/06
  124.   Gina # 116 20:36  |  Victor Smolinsky 14/12/06
  125.   to #99 re #70 The rabbi IS an IDIOT 20:43  |  D Hirod 14/12/06
  126.   Chriustmas trees and other 20:44  |  Joe 14/12/06
  127.   paul thanks 20:45  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  128.   chris L 21:00  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  129.   ATTENTION: Jacob Blue 21:00  |  margaret 14/12/06
  130.   #85 Toseftas erudite contribution 21:00  |  D Hirod 14/12/06
  131.   Gina #115 21:00  |  Joanne 14/12/06
  132.   paul thanks 21:02  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  133.   #77 Lynn 21:02  |  Avi Yerushalmi 14/12/06
  134.   Re: 104 Messianic Jews Are Cultists? 21:03  |  Yosemite Sam 14/12/06
  135.   What some jews need to realise 21:04  |  Danite 14/12/06
  136.   Chris Linthwaite 21:17  |  Gina 14/12/06
  137.   Don`t Ya Hate It? 21:18  |  Yosemite Sam 14/12/06
  138.   Chris L 21:18  |  taz 14/12/06
  139.   joanne 21:18  |  Gina 14/12/06
  140.   charles (Karel ?) 21:22  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  141.   Stephen Murray, I thought you`d be offended by Christian symbols 21:24  |  Jake 14/12/06
  142.   Victor Smolinsky 21:27  |  Gina 14/12/06
  143.   Gina 21:32  |  danite 14/12/06
  144.   the menorah, xmas trees and hell 21:34  |  fangette 14/12/06
  145.   Do We See This Obsession With Other Non-Christians? 21:39  |  Yaakov Sullivan 14/12/06
  146.   Menorah at the airport 21:42  |  Nadine 14/12/06
  147.   charles (Karel ?) the sequel 21:42  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  148.   The Menorah Decision (D Hirod #130) 21:43  |  Tosefta 14/12/06
  149.   better travelled maybe Joanne, better educated...? 21:43  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  150.   not Karel , pol ? 21:45  |  charles 14/12/06
  151.   Yosemite Sam living up to his namesake 21:49  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  152.   who cares? 21:51  |  sho 14/12/06
  153.   There is a difference with the United States Danite 21:55  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  154.   Nyyah, Doc, we`ll let you know when you`re right 21:56  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  155.   #138 Gina 21:57  |  Joanne 14/12/06
  156.   NADINE 22:01  |  TAZ 14/12/06
  157.   Merry Christmas ve Happy Hanuka 22:16  |  David 14/12/06
  158.   Taxpayer sick of paying for religious symbolism 22:20  |  US Citizen 14/12/06
  159.   Math 101 for Joanne 22:22  |  Jacob Blues 14/12/06
  160.   Joanne #155 22:27  |  Gina 14/12/06
  161.   The Truth Jacob Blues Is That... 22:27  |  Yosemite Sam 14/12/06
  162.   Tres+Menorah`s 22:40  |  Michael Greenberg 14/12/06
  163.   Public Observances v. observances in the public 22:42  |  Yehoshua ben Eliezer 14/12/06
  164.   The bottom line 22:46  |  hollingsworth 14/12/06
  165.   All roads lead to Flanders 22:54  |  sh 14/12/06
  166.   US ciotizen # 158 22:54  |  charles 14/12/06
  167.   It`s Id el Adha too 22:59  |  sh 14/12/06
  168.   Gina - For The Record 22:59  |  Victor Smolinsky 14/12/06
  169.   149 Jacob Blues 23:04  |  Joanne 14/12/06
  170.   Turn off the Lights! 23:05  |  Maureen Ann 14/12/06
  171.   to TAZ / Gina 23:08  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  172.   Christmas trees are Pagan & Khanuka Messianic 23:12  |  kool-aid jew 14/12/06
  173.   THE TREES AND A MENORAH 23:13  |  CARL SAVLOFF 14/12/06
  174.   # charles (the end) 23:15  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  175.   # 163 sh - Oh my ... 23:22  |  Paul Henzen 14/12/06
  176.   Xmas under attack! 23:22  |  Pssd Off American 14/12/06
  177.   joanne #131 (2nd try) 23:34  |  Gina 14/12/06
  178.   woww...just cjill out jews 00:11  |  Najwa 15/12/06
  179.   Christmas in AMERICA 00:15  |  Theresa 15/12/06
  180.   #175 Flemings and Scotsman 00:37  |  Eduard 15/12/06
  181.   MENORAH LESSON 00:53  |  JC 15/12/06
  182.   Is Christmas even Christian 01:04  |  Naomi 15/12/06
  183.   HOLLINGSWORTH.Oh you poor,impecunious holocaust deniers. 01:25  |  PETER SM 15/12/06
  184.   Keep you Menorahs out of our Christmas 01:45  |  Brandy 15/12/06
  185.   Be careful what you wish for 02:14  |  Nancy 15/12/06
  186.   Brandy. Keep your hateful comments off our site 02:23  |  Jake 15/12/06
  187.   #104, Why are you so threatened by Messianic Jews! 03:37  |  Claudia 15/12/06
  188.   Roots 04:27  |  alpha j 15/12/06
  189.   Christmas trees and Menorahs 04:43  |  Walter Plywaski 15/12/06
  190.   FOR JOANNE 04:55  |  Gina 15/12/06
  191.   Arm polleke 04:56  |  charles 15/12/06
  192.   Jacob Blues 05:10  |  Danite 15/12/06
  193.   Pagan origins of Christmas Trees 05:15  |  CRT 15/12/06
  194.   Actually I can agree with Yaakov Sullivan 05:48  |  Avrum 15/12/06
  195.   Whose birth? 05:58  |  anonymous 15/12/06
  196.   Christmas carols 05:58  |  Avrum 15/12/06
  197.   Claudia 06:04  |  charles 15/12/06
  198.   disingenious arguement 06:07  |  Ahavah bat Sarah 15/12/06
  199.   Aw Come On! 06:20  |  Yosemite Sam 15/12/06
  200.   LEARN FROM US INDIANS 06:22  |  KAILASH 15/12/06
  201.   you read lies 06:33  |  sarah 15/12/06
  202.   Try meeting them on the NYC subway Klaudia 06:57  |  Jacob Blues 15/12/06
  203.   Ahavat Bat Sara 07:04  |  charles 15/12/06
  204.   Good question KAILASH. In fact, I asked myself this tonight 07:04  |  Jacob Blues 15/12/06
  205.   Victor Smolinsky 07:31  |  Gina 15/12/06
  206.   Paul Henzen 07:34  |  Gina 15/12/06
  207.   US Supreme Ct on Christmas Trees and Menorahs 07:47  |  Ken B 15/12/06
  208.   Jews Wake Up! 08:38  |  Avi Yerushalmi 15/12/06
  209.   # charles, you are a Jew, not a Fleming 09:20  |  Paul Henzen 15/12/06
  210.   Haaretz You Let Jew Haters Run the Show 09:29  |  Yosemite Sam 15/12/06
  211.   In NYC More Menorahs than Christmas Trees 10:04  |  Another NYer 15/12/06
  212.   Not a dilemma for me anymore 10:09  |  Dror 15/12/06
  213.   Did you say Separation of Church and State? 10:23  |  justiceseeker 15/12/06
  214.   Danite 10:45  |  Gina 15/12/06
  215.   another NYer 11:34  |  charles 15/12/06
  216.   Avi Yerushalmi 11:48  |  charles 15/12/06
  217.   Jew-haters would rather remove theirs, than add OURS! 12:14  |  Yaakov K. 15/12/06
  218.   to polleke 12:16  |  charles 15/12/06
  219.   Charles # 216 12:49  |  Avi Yerushalmi 15/12/06
  220.   Menorah To Avi #219 13:35  |  charles 15/12/06
  221.   Stupid people stirring up hatered. Muslims and Jews in the west. 13:35  |  Dude 15/12/06
  222.   To Ben Azai 13:38  |  Dude 15/12/06
  223.   # 218 Kareltje... 15:03  |  Paul Henzen 15/12/06
  224.   xmas trees 15:14  |  ROB OF MELBOURNE AUS 15/12/06
  225.   Ny`er looking in the wrong places 16:24  |  Jacob Blues 15/12/06
  226.   #218, Charles in Israel 17:44  |  another NYer 15/12/06
  227.   Channukia / Christmas 18:47  |  Daniel 15/12/06
  228.   To Avrum #196 regarding Xmas Carols 19:30  |  Yehoshua ben Eliezer 15/12/06
  229.   upside down 20:21  |  wh 15/12/06
  230.   re 2- yes 20:37  |  Devin 15/12/06
  231.   re 11 20:38  |  Devin 15/12/06
  232.   re 178-we own America 20:41  |  Devin 15/12/06
  233.   polleke 21:24  |  charles 15/12/06
  234.   another NYer # 225 21:33  |  charles 15/12/06
  235.   re 196_Avrum must be Conservative 21:49  |  Devin 15/12/06
  236.   re 20 Doug 21:51  |  Devin 15/12/06
  237.   to 226 21:53  |  charles 15/12/06
  238.   Christians want to be Jews 21:57  |  Devin 15/12/06
  239.   lol Daniel has a tree 22:01  |  Devin 15/12/06
  240.   321 Paul / Flemish 23:08  |  Eduard 15/12/06
  241.   Religious or non-religous symbols 01:12  |  W 16/12/06
  242.   WE HAVE NO DOUBT THERE IS AN ASSAULT ON OUR CHIRISTMAS. 05:22  |  PhiloEvraios 16/12/06
  243.   Christmas Trees in Israel? 09:32  |  Abrahm 16/12/06
  244.   Charles - percentages 09:33  |  another NYer 16/12/06
  245.   Jews sure know how to be loved 09:59  |  Michael H. 16/12/06
  246.   To # 243 13:05  |  charles 16/12/06
  247.   Dr. David Gross pomposity 13:12  |  Claudia 16/12/06
  248.   Reply to #243 Christmas trees in Israel 20:59  |  Joseph 16/12/06
  249.   Hanukkah, So Called Christians 21:44  |  Joel 16/12/06
  250.   Christmas Trees and Jesus 22:22  |  Joel 16/12/06
  251.   Christmas in a Christian country 01:20  |  margaret 17/12/06
  252.   Christians and Chanukah 02:13  |  T`oma 17/12/06
  253.   Christians want to be Jews 02:19  |  T`oma 17/12/06
  254.   joseph # 248 16:45  |  charles 17/12/06
  255.   My Friend 02:57  |  Paula 18/12/06
  256.   #184 I hope you don`t call yourself Christian! 07:35  |  Milica 18/12/06
  257.   #249 as a christian, I would like to celebrate chanukah except.. 07:58  |  Milica 18/12/06
  258.   Mcqueen, it was a bad publicity 12:04  |  gus 18/12/06
  259.   Reply to #257 12:20  |  Joe 18/12/06
  260.   The Persecuted People 12:35  |  Maya 18/12/06
  261.   # 240 Eduard, I agree !!! 13:07  |  Paul Henzen 18/12/06
  262.   # Daniel / charles `Who is a Jew?` 13:44  |  Paul Henzen 18/12/06
  263.   Paul Henzen 14:54  |  charles 18/12/06
  264.   There was another reason 15:04  |  shenora 18/12/06
  265.   # 263 charles - Respect ? 16:33  |  Paul Henzen 18/12/06
  266.   to 240 Eduard 16:40  |  charles 18/12/06
  267.   Polleke 17:04  |  charles 18/12/06
  268.   # 266 / 267 Eduard / charles 20:12  |  Paul Henzen 18/12/06
  269.   to poor polleke 20:53  |  charles 18/12/06
  270.   Christmas trees, Menorahs, etc. 01:36  |  Chana Batya 19/12/06
  271.   Christmas trees, etc. 01:38  |  Chana Batya 19/12/06


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