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Posted: May 23, 2006

Israeli advice on the Mexico fence: be ruthless

New York Notes: I guess this time it's really going to happen, says an Israeli expert. "It," meaning the separation fence between the U.S. and Mexico. He has been following the debate surrounding this fence with curiosity, and some amusement. So, he asks, "what should we call it? A fence or a wall?"

The Washington Post had a long story last weekend about American and Mexican communities along the Texas border. These communities will be influenced by the new fence - if it is built - and by any force trying to interrupt the daily flow of people and goods from one side of the border to the other. It's a story reminiscent of the one of Palestinian workers and commuters and farmers finding it difficult to adjust to the reality of an actual, not imaginary, border.

Two weeks ago, I attended a panel discussion during which a New York Times editor explained why the paper chose "barrier" as the word to best describe the Israeli fence and wall along the West Bank. The word's not perfect, but it's somewhat more neutral. The anonymous Israeli expert is eagerly waiting to see what kind of barrier the Americans will be building. And he is more than ready to offer some advice (free of charge, but also of commitment). And he is not the first or only one to do so. American officials, and even more so, politicians, sought some advice from Israel on this matter in the past ? and according to some knowledgeable people, are expected to do so even more in the near future. Former California Governor Pete Wilson cited the Israeli fence as a model for the U.S. in an article he wrote for the Investor's Business Daily. So here is some of what our Israeli expert has to say about it:

Money: It will probably cost more than you think. Why? Because that's always the way it is with such projects. Americans, the Israeli says, tend to be very structured in their work, in a way that has many benefits but also some limitations. It means that they waste a lot of money on "process" and "management" and "studies" before they really act. They make no short-cuts, thus save no money. In the last issue of The National Journal, the Israeli fence is mentioned as the example to use when calculating the cost of such a fence (2000 mile fence = $6.4 billion dollars). The Israeli expert thinks the Americans will end up paying more.

Efficiency: It can work, the expert says ? and other Israeli know-hows agree. Don't buy the argument of liberal opponents who say "no fence can stop people from coming." If done in a proper way, the fence can work. It can achieve whatever goal the U.S. wants it to, "100 percent, 90 percent, 80 percent prevention. Just make the right commitment and you?ll get results."

Tactics: Don't just rely on sophisticated machinery and equipment. You need people on the ground using the equipment to pursue the invaders. They need to react fast, they need intelligence, and they need to be tireless. It will only take a couple of months before the flow of immigrants will become much weaker.

Intelligence: Recruit people on the Mexican side to be your eyes and ears and to tell you what the smugglers are up to. Make sure you can communicate fast, and react even faster. Good intelligence can be the key factor for success.

Routine: The smugglers will be inventive and will look for ways around you. If you stick to some regulated routine, you'll end up wasting your time and your money. Surprise them where they don't expect you, make them understand that no place is safe, no route out of reach. "Don't police them, fight them."

Ruthlessness: Is it really important for the Americans? If it is, they should be prepared to show it. "Make the other side understand that this is no game - that life can be in danger," says the expert. "I know this is the toughest advice of all, but short of doing it the Americans will end up pretending to stop illegal immigrants rather than really doing it. At the end of the day, it is very simple: America is more powerful than the smugglers - meaning, it can deter them from doing what they do." But there's one condition necessary to keep this preponderance of power working: "It should be as important for America to stop the illegal new comers as it is for them to come."

Danger: You mean they have to shoot the smugglers? "No, they have to stop them. But if they run away they have to chase them, and if they resist they need to use force. Eventually, they'll end up doing things you don't want people to watch on television. I'm not sure if they have the resolve and the stomach to do it. Maybe it's not as important for them as they claim it is."

Conduct: Corruption can be a serious problem on the sealed border. As it gets tougher to enter the U.S, people will be ready to pay a high price for it, and the temptation to help those people in something one shouldn't underestimate. Take it into account while devising the system.


  1.   Additional advice. 21:39  |  Colin Wright 23/05/06
  2.   get off it colin #1 22:10  |  mike 23/05/06
  3.   Colin Wright 22:15  |  Jack 23/05/06
  4.   Be Ruthless? 22:48  |  Mark Lincoln 23/05/06
  5.   What brainwashed Western people don`t get 22:51  |  Yaakov Noach 23/05/06
  6.   The View from Tejas 22:56  |  Mark Lincoln 23/05/06
  7.   myob 23:03  |  sedated 23/05/06
  8.   myob 23:03  |  sedated 23/05/06
  9.   US/Mexjico fence 23:34  |  Isy 23/05/06
  10.   Its contagious 01:17  |  Kimi 24/05/06
  11.   Retroactive immigration control 02:54  |  Nancy 24/05/06
  12.   Retroactive immigration control 02:57  |  Nancy 24/05/06
  13.   KIMI 04:16  |  Taylor 24/05/06
  14.   Hey Kimy 05:06  |  even barosh 24/05/06
  15.   This is foolishness 06:34  |  Glenn 24/05/06
  16.   Mark my words 06:38  |  Mark Lincoln 24/05/06
  17.   #1 Colin, you got it 100% 06:39  |  justiceseeker 24/05/06
  18.   No Wall 06:57  |  Michael 24/05/06
  19.   #5 Yaakov Noach 08:39  |  Tony Price 24/05/06
  20.   Bueonos Dias, America 10:36  |  Andreas 24/05/06
  21.   To Jack 10:48  |  John 24/05/06
  22.   What brainwashed zionists don`t get 10:52  |  John 24/05/06
  23.   expert advice 10:53  |  nina 24/05/06
  24.   NEXT: US will take advice from Israel on civil rights 11:09  |  Sami 24/05/06
  25.   To John 11:14  |  The King 24/05/06
  26.   Jewish moral and ethic 11:15  |  Mark 24/05/06
  27.   Is it like the `advices` on Iraq? 11:24  |  abdalla 24/05/06
  28.   BUILD IT INSIDE MEXICO 11:28  |  Jorge Lopez 24/05/06
  29.   Brain Dead In Holland 11:34  |  Yisrael Ben Israel 24/05/06
  30.   Mexico is really `disputed` territory 11:34  |  Bryan 24/05/06
  31.   @25 to The King himself 11:40  |  Mark 24/05/06
  32.   Programs not Pograms 12:02  |  Ronnie Wolman 24/05/06
  33.   Brain Dead Yisrael. 12:29  |  John 24/05/06
  34.   No comparison between US and Israels wall 12:36  |  Jens 24/05/06
  35.   No lesson learnt... 12:36  |  Hanoman 24/05/06
  36.   Canadian Security Fence 12:40  |  Renato 24/05/06
  37.   To the King 12:45  |  John 24/05/06
  38.   Just Asking For Abuse 12:47  |  Eric Blair 24/05/06
  39.   Don`t Mirror Israel 12:53  |  Sane perspective 24/05/06
  40.   What ever happened to north american free trade agreement. 12:58  |  Sam 24/05/06
  41.   @37 John, you forgot that... 13:20  |  Mark 24/05/06
  42.   Fences and "childkillers", eh, John 13:34  |  dov 24/05/06
  43.   Free movement of people and goods. 13:35  |  Doris Grey 24/05/06
  44.   Imperialismo 13:40  |  Leo 24/05/06
  45.   See Ekiu v. United States (1892) 13:50  |  Ted 24/05/06
  46.   #Mark my words 14:05  |  Mark ur words 24/05/06
  47.   #24 to Sami: Israel the advisor 14:08  |  Anubhav 24/05/06
  48.   #45: to Ted 14:16  |  Anubhav 24/05/06
  49.   #4 LIGHT AT THE END OF THE LINCOLN TUNNEL 14:28  |  paul harris 24/05/06
  50.   Great advises!! 15:16  |  Rafael 24/05/06
  51.   Terminology is Meaningless 15:27  |  Yaakov Sullivan 24/05/06
  52.   Colin funny but be real like in Europe keep foreigners out!!! 15:27  |  arthur 24/05/06
  53.   To dov #42 15:39  |  John 24/05/06
  54.   Anubhav from India, why always Saudi Bashing? 15:40  |  Sam 24/05/06
  55.   Public Relations 15:51  |  Eduardo 24/05/06
  56.   A natural consequence 15:59  |  Michael N 24/05/06
  57.   Occupy Mexico 16:02  |  Carlos Zuniga 24/05/06
  58.   @ Mark in Amsterdam 16:26  |  The King 24/05/06
  59.   To John in The Netherlands 16:45  |  The King 24/05/06
  60.   We Finance! Easy terms! 16:54  |  Francis X 24/05/06
  61.   C.WRIGHT.It is Apartheid keeping out Mexicans.Just because you-- 16:59  |  PETER SM 24/05/06
  62.   #to Sam on Saudi(1) 17:00  |  Anubhav 24/05/06
  63.   they don`t have a clue 17:01  |  miriam 24/05/06
  64.   "JUSTICE Seeker".Re the Iraq war. 17:10  |  PETER SM 24/05/06
  65.   #to Sam on Saudi 17:10  |  Anubhav 24/05/06
  66.   you forgot something 17:14  |  miriam 24/05/06
  67.   good fences make good neighbors 17:21  |  pace306 24/05/06
  68.   Border wit mxico 17:24  |  twogunz 24/05/06
  69.   #26 Mark - less tequilla - its too early 17:25  |  pace306 24/05/06
  70.   Carlos Zuniga: there is no mexican terrorism 17:35  |  Eduardo 24/05/06
  71.   The good news is 17:42  |  Efox 24/05/06
  72.   The US/Mexican Border and "Illegals" 17:42  |  Ginger 24/05/06
  73.   Hola Carlos 17:45  |  Pablito 24/05/06
  74.   Mexican Jews 17:46  |  Jose Lubin 24/05/06
  75.   re. Sam 17:55  |  Efox 24/05/06
  76.   Learning on errors 17:56  |  karo 24/05/06
  77.   Sillier and sillier 18:02  |  Aaron Levitt 24/05/06
  78.   #22 AND THE GREEN LINE IS ??????????? 18:07  |  paul harris 24/05/06
  79.   Re Jack #3 18:09  |  Micah 24/05/06
  80.   To the King 18:14  |  John 24/05/06
  81.   To Peter SM 18:26  |  Chewbaca Malaysia 24/05/06
  82.   In dont understand 18:26  |  claudio 24/05/06
  83.   re. Jose 18:31  |  Efox 24/05/06
  84.   Foolish comparison 18:37  |  Daniel 24/05/06
  85.   Brain dead in tel aviv 18:37  |  kimi 24/05/06
  86.   A garee with #1 and #57 18:48  |  Rami 24/05/06
  87.   ILLEGALS 19:06  |  PO`d American 24/05/06
  88.   Anubhav 19:07  |  kimi 24/05/06
  89.   even barosh 19:22  |  kimi 24/05/06
  90.   Mark Lincoln Doesn`t Get It!! 19:35  |  Keith Johnson 24/05/06
  91.   Anubhav from India spreading lies about KSA why all the hate. 19:38  |  Sam 24/05/06
  92.   This Is What They Should Do! 19:38  |  Sam The Sham 24/05/06
  93.   Fence not needed 19:39  |  W 24/05/06
  94.   Mark Lincoln #4 19:41  |  TonyL 24/05/06
  95.   Don`t Knock Latinos 19:46  |  Sam The Sham 24/05/06
  96.   Bryan, California was won in the same war as Texas! 19:48  |  Keith Johnson 24/05/06
  97.   I Want More Mexicans! Legal Ones! 20:05  |  Sam The Sham 24/05/06
  98.   Anobhav whats Saudi got to do with the mexican apartheid 20:10  |  Sam 24/05/06
  99.   Psychokillers 20:12  |  Claudia 24/05/06
  100.   Look who`s talking? Ruthlessness in Lebanon & Gaza totally failed 20:26  |  Mustapha K 24/05/06
  101.   Common Ownership of Information for oil, for global security 20:29  |  Adam Ghaznavi 24/05/06
  102.   TO Mark Lincoln - Be Ruthless? 20:33  |  Steve Beikirch 24/05/06
  103.   PO`d American 20:34  |  The Face of America 24/05/06
  104.   it IS a good analogy 20:35  |  Michelle 24/05/06
  105.   Sam the Sham the words little red riding hood oh 20:36  |  Sam 24/05/06
  106.   Sam Sham of LA I think you may of stumbled on the 1 of the lost 20:50  |  Sam 24/05/06
  107.   You must shoot at them 21:20  |  Harvy Johnson 24/05/06
  108.   Efox your posts as usual dening some human but why all the lies 21:24  |  Sam 24/05/06
  109.   Not really a good analogy 21:27  |  Stephen Geis 24/05/06
  110.   Michelle - Big Difference 21:32  |  JJ 24/05/06
  111.   But if we build it like Israel... 21:33  |  Dan 24/05/06
  112.   do drug smuglers count as terrorists and if 100 people die 21:49  |  Sam 24/05/06
  113.   apartheid wall 22:05  |  keren duran 24/05/06
  114.   Dan # 108 great idea 22:18  |  peter 24/05/06
  115.   Security fence 22:54  |  Benni Goldzahn 24/05/06
  116.   #15 22:56  |  wonka 24/05/06
  117.   #17 22:58  |  wonka 24/05/06
  118.   Dan #108-Let`s take your analogy one step further 23:01  |  Mustapha K 24/05/06
  119.   additional advice 23:16  |  john 24/05/06
  120.   JUSTICE SEEKER.Where is your evidence re the Iraq war? 23:40  |  PETER SM 24/05/06
  121.   Horrible, the mountrous fence 23:47  |  Ana Wapner 24/05/06
  122.   Work on PR 23:49  |  Bijan 24/05/06
  123.   The Yanks have gone nuts!! 00:03  |  Colin O`Grady 25/05/06
  124.   Illegal immigration 00:09  |  P. J. Casey 25/05/06
  125.   The Illegal Immigrant Issue 00:11  |  kurt 25/05/06
  126.   the w*** word 00:12  |  mike 25/05/06
  127.   Immigration 00:30  |  P. J. Casey 25/05/06
  128.   Colin O`Grady - Hilarious! 00:41  |  Gee 25/05/06
  129.   Kurt from San Diego 00:49  |  San Diegito 25/05/06
  130.   Peter SM # 120 00:56  |  Check It Out 25/05/06
  131.   To Michael in NC 01:15  |  Muhammad-Ali 25/05/06
  132.   Fence or Not Fence 01:49  |  Sam 25/05/06
  133.   # 123 Where is Ireland? 01:55  |  Sam 25/05/06
  134.   "Ruthless" - a perfect description of Israel 01:56  |  Marlene 25/05/06
  135.   Israelies are sickest nation 02:13  |  Philo 25/05/06
  136.   Eduardo buenos aires 02:25  |  Omar 25/05/06
  137.   Nancy from Denver 02:27  |  Omar 25/05/06
  138.   And where will the fence be built? 02:39  |  Roi 25/05/06
  139.   olmerts business? 03:20  |  sweis Melbourne 25/05/06
  140.   olmert big mouth 03:31  |  sweis Melbourne 25/05/06
  141.   Follow Israel model and build the Wall 150 miles inside Mexico 03:43  |  El-Birawi 25/05/06
  142.   Adam Ghaznavi 03:51  |  Larry 25/05/06
  143.   Mustapha 03:54  |  Larry 25/05/06
  144.   #64 PETER SM 03:57  |  justiceseeker 25/05/06
  145.   #42 Dov, here is the real version of history 04:16  |  justiceseeker 25/05/06
  146.   CHECK.I.O.There were intellligence failures and misrepresentation 04:33  |  PETER SM 25/05/06
  147.   JUSTICE SEEKER.An Op Ed By Sharon proves what? 04:42  |  PETER SM 25/05/06
  148.   Typical Israeli bashing 04:55  |  Avrum 25/05/06
  149.   Mexican American are ruthless 06:16  |  Jose Nigrin 25/05/06
  150.   #141 EL BENT ON MISINFORMATION!!! 06:49  |  paul harris 25/05/06
  151.   re Brain Dead In Holland 07:17  |  Al 25/05/06
  152.   147 PETER 07:37  |  justiceseeker 25/05/06
  153.   Build Your Wall Israel! 07:45  |  Carlo 25/05/06
  154.   political will 07:59  |  Ben 25/05/06
  155.   the israeli fence is a fence of annexation and not security 08:00  |  Dina 25/05/06
  156.   Mexico harsh treatment to undocumented migrants from C.A. 08:10  |  Daniel Partisano 25/05/06
  157.   re. Sam 08:42  |  Efox 25/05/06
  158.   Thanks Jens 08:43  |  arab 25/05/06
  159.   #88: to Kimi and Sam 08:47  |  Anubhav 25/05/06
  160.   150 Paul Harris what are you smoking? 08:50  |  justiceseeker 25/05/06
  161.   Copy Israel? 08:50  |  Pat 25/05/06
  162.   Justice seeker.The topic is the Iraq war feel free to change -- 08:52  |  PETER SM 25/05/06
  163.   Many Slogans, Few Valid Arguments 08:53  |  Efox 25/05/06
  164.   re. El Birawi 08:59  |  Efox 25/05/06
  165.   Free Advice 09:37  |  Jovan 25/05/06
  166.   Are Mex crossing SUICIDE BOMBERS dreaming of killing Americans? 09:40  |  Alain 25/05/06
  167.   fence in mexico 09:49  |  zubrovesky 25/05/06
  168.   Peter SM # 146 12:47  |  Check It Out 25/05/06
  169.   #160 jimmy carter doesnt know his rrrs from his elbow 15:07  |  paul harris 25/05/06
  170.   not only a wall but snipers posted on the wall 15:56  |  Yosef 25/05/06
  171.   Rosner, you ignorant...... 18:08  |  Mexi 25/05/06
  172.   Violence Begets Violence 19:00  |  Laura Peterson 25/05/06
  173.   Wow 19:50  |  Dave 25/05/06
  174.   To Laura Peterson 22:10  |  Bushwick Bill 25/05/06
  175.   Common Ownership of Information for oil, for global security 2 22:39  |  Adam Ghaznavi 25/05/06
  176.   #5 Yaakov, chutzpah supreme 01:52  |  Grif 26/05/06
  177.   the fence 02:27  |  nathan friedman 26/05/06
  178.   The Mexico Fence 04:43  |  Dave Lucas 26/05/06
  179.   Legal-illegal 11:11  |  Zev Davis 26/05/06
  180.   Guys what is the point of this argument #1 19:57  |  Vlad 26/05/06
  181.   Guys what is the point of this argument #2 20:01  |  Vlad 26/05/06
  182.   #178 DAVE LUCAS AND THE TEXAS LAND 20:32  |  paul harris 26/05/06
  183.   Israeli say get RUTHLESS with Mexico 21:01  |  Mexican-American 26/05/06
  184.   efox you talk about one prophet I talk of many 21:09  |  Sam 26/05/06
  185.   Efox we are lucky that Israel doen`t wholy depend on your wisdom. 21:14  |  sam 26/05/06
  186.   efox the truth hurts so you tell lies 21:27  |  sam 26/05/06
  187.   Re: additional advice 21:40  |  Muhammad-Ali 26/05/06
  188.   Canadian security fence to protect US northern borders 21:50  |  Muhammad-Ali 26/05/06
  189.   Eruka! I have the solution 21:54  |  Muhammad-Ali 26/05/06
  190.   whats so contrverisal about a fence 22:08  |  zionist forever 26/05/06
  191.   Be ruthless 23:17  |  Michel Andermann 26/05/06
  192.   zionist forever #190 00:00  |  Veritas 27/05/06
  193.   coexistence 07:01  |  common 27/05/06
  194.   #193 THERS NO DOUBT YOU ARE VERY COMMON AND HAVE NO SENSE 08:07  |  paul harris 27/05/06
  195.   BY RABBI BRUCE WARSHAL 10:09  |  BY RABBI BRUCE WARSH 27/05/06
  196.   Re: Response 191 17:26  |  Daniel 27/05/06
  197.   Israeli Advice on Mexican Border 17:54  |  John Campo 27/05/06
  198.   Israeli Advice on Mexican Border 18:25  |  Daniel 27/05/06
  199.   Israeli border wall advice 19:29  |  aaron 27/05/06
  200.   ...to Mr Rosner...good job, now mexicans think jews are a shit... 19:41  |  The 72... 27/05/06
  201.   ...to mexi...I apologize you... 19:54  |  abrahm...mico 27/05/06
  202.   ..to Mr Rosner...good job, now Mexicans think Jews a shit... 20:06  |  The 72... 27/05/06
  203.   Steve Belkirch - Lawn Terrorists 01:11  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  204.   The crawling scum from Arkansas 01:13  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  205.   The Inverse Distance Law 01:18  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  206.   Mexican American 05:14  |  Larry 28/05/06
  207.   MR. ROSNER, MANY MEXICANS ARE CHRISTIANS & SUPPORT ISRAEL! 05:41  |  Josue 28/05/06
  208.   The Canadian Wall 12:25  |  Thomas Klein 28/05/06
  209.   Suggestions 14:26  |  Cherice 28/05/06
  210.   Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander as well 15:12  |  Yaakov 28/05/06
  211.   #208 MY IDEA, I AM IN AGREEMENT 15:24  |  paul harris 28/05/06
  212.   what would the US do without latinos? 15:27  |  Sara 28/05/06
  213.   re: what would the US do without latinos? 15:36  |  Jen 28/05/06
  214.   #212/213 IT WOULD SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY 17:15  |  paul harris 28/05/06
  215.   bring down the wall 18:25  |  Haitham 28/05/06
  216.   What would the US do? 22:02  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  217.   Save social security? 22:04  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  218.   Mexican-American 22:11  |  Mark Lincoln 28/05/06
  219.   #217 mark use your brain 23:01  |  paul harris 28/05/06
  220.   #217 /218 WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM MARK 23:05  |  paul harris 28/05/06
  221.   Separation fence between US and Mexico 23:55  |  F.Herbert 28/05/06
  222.   The Browning of America 00:26  |  Vicky 29/05/06
  223.   paul, I live here, in Houston 00:34  |  Mark Lincoln 29/05/06
  224.   pAUL I know 00:37  |  Mark Lincoln 29/05/06
  225.   Bushwick Bill and JLO 00:53  |  Vicky 29/05/06
  226.   One more thing Bushwick Bill... 01:21  |  Vicky 29/05/06
  227.   Not every fence is just a fence 02:16  |  Nachman Shabsi 29/05/06
  228.   glen 08:29  |  sweis Melbourne 29/05/06
  229.   AND MARK THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE!! 09:45  |  paul harris 29/05/06
  230.   Kurt from SAN Diego 17:23  |  Vicky 29/05/06
  231.   Good point, Kurt 18:10  |  Rick 29/05/06
  232.   i understand paul 18:37  |  Mark Lincoln 29/05/06
  233.   This is for those who insist we call a spade, a spade. 18:40  |  Mark Lincoln 29/05/06
  234.   Dead on Vicky 18:44  |  Mark Lincoln 29/05/06
  235.   Identity Crisis 18:57  |  Rick 29/05/06
  236.   The View from Tejas 02:22  |  Ken Waller 30/05/06
  237.   Illegality? Why doesn`t it matter when Bush does it? 04:06  |  Mark Lincoln 30/05/06
  238.   The "Sooner" state 04:12  |  Mark Lincoln 30/05/06
  239.   #238: to Mark Lincoln: a question 12:53  |  Anubhav 30/05/06
  240.   Chuck Norris 13:02  |  Fish 30/05/06
  241.   Only in North America 15:27  |  Vicky 30/05/06
  242.   Ranting from the Left 16:15  |  Rick 30/05/06
  243.   Rantings from the FAR right 17:56  |  Vicky 31/05/06
  244.   Rantings... 19:29  |  Rick 31/05/06
  245.   Rantings... 19:34  |  Rick 31/05/06
  246.   Some Clarification 02:59  |  Justin 01/06/06
  247.   Annexation, Not Security 18:53  |  Danya 09/06/06


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