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Hamas: Bush promises 'unacceptable' for next generations of Palestinians
By Barak Ravid and Yoav Stern , Haaretz Correspondents
Tags: Haim Ramon , Mahmoud Abbas
The leader of the Hamas government in Gaza said Friday that U.S. President George W. Bush's visit to the region proved his bias toward Israel and hurt Palestinian aspirations for a state of their own.
Ismail Haniyeh spoke to reporters after Friday prayers as Bush wrapped up a three-day visit to Israel and the West Bank, seat of the Ramallah-based
government of moderate President Mahmoud Abbas, Haniyeh's rival.
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During his visit, Bush laid out U.S. expectations for a peace deal, which he said should be completed this year. He singled out Gaza - which Hamas
violently seized in June - as a problem that could not easily be solved in the 12 months remaining in his presidency.
The international community is boycotting Hamas because of its refusal to
recognize Israel's right to exist and renounce violence.
Haniyeh said Bush's explanation of his bottom lines for a peace deal were
based on promises to Israel, and don't serve Palestinian interests.
"Bush gave Israel all the required pledges to solidify its occupation and to wipe out basic Palestinian rights and sacred issues, while he gave the
Palestinians more illusions and slogans, and loose words that only express the deception which has characterized this visit," Haniyeh said.
During his visit, Bush urged Israel to end its 40-year occupation of the West Bank and said a Palestinian state should be contiguous, a nod to Palestinian opposition to a state broken into pieces by Israeli settlements and military installations.
At the same time, Bush came out on Israel's side on two important issues,
implying that major Jewish settlement blocs in the West Bank should remain in Israeli hands in a final peace deal and that Palestinian refugees should not be resettled inside of Israel.
Haniyeh said Bush's suggestion that Palestinian refugees receive compensation is unacceptable, and that the millions of refugees and their descendants from the 1948 war that accompanied Israel's creation must return to their original homes inside Israel.
"These concepts are totally unacceptable to us, and can in no way commit our people and the next generations," he said.
"The problem of Palestine will remain alive. A short visit of a few hours can't reduce this historic right and shrink the future of Palestinian generations on the land of Palestine."
Haniyeh criticized Bush's characterization of Hamas as an obstacle to peace.
"This is sowing the seeds of sedition and is an attempt to create the
atmosphere for internal Palestinian wars," he said. Haniyeh appealed to Abbas not to slide behind the U.S. administration, saying he would be endangering his leadership.
Israeli official: Israel views positively Bush's statements on a final status peace treaty
Israel views positively U.S. President George W. Bush's statements Thursday calling for a final status peace treaty between Israel and the Palestinians prior to the end of his term in office, an Israeli official told Haaretz on Thursday.
"We see the Bush remarks as the basis of moving forward. We accept them. We see them as consistent with understandings with the Americans and as a positive foundation for moving forward," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Bush implored senior cabinet ministers at a dinner Thursday evening to work to promote the peace process, telling them that the current situation cannot continue and efforts to achieve a peace treaty must be made.
Earlier, Bush made statements summing up his visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority. "There should be an end to the occupation that began in 1967," Bush said, presenting an outline for solving most of the core issues, which would include a compensation mechanism for Palestinian refugees, a contiguous Palestinian state, and secure and defensible borders for Israel.
Bush met with the ministerial forum at a dinner in his honor hosted by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert at his official residence in Jerusalem. One of the president's messages was about domestic Israeli politics. "Take care of Olmert, so he will stay in power," Bush said. "He's a strong leader. Israeli politics is like karate, you never know when the next chop will come."
Olmert said at the dinner that the peace process must go forward. Vice Premier Haim Ramon agreed with Bush's statement on the necessity of creating a Palestinian state. "Israel's problem is the occupation, which jeopardizes [our existence as] a Jewish and democratic state," Ramon said. "That's not the Palestinians' problem, that's our problem."
Shas chairman Eli Yishai, the minister of industry, labor and trade, raised reservations, telling Bush, "I appreciate your visit and your concern for Israel but we cannot make peace with half of the Palestinian nation, while Abu Mazen [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas] does not control the Gaza Strip."
Yishai recited several psalms emphasizing the importance of Jerusalem and said he would not compromise on the unity of the capital.
Acting against the wishes of the prime minister, Yishai gave Bush a letter from Shas spiritual leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef urging the release of convicted U.S. spy Jonathan Pollard, as well as a letter from Pollard's wife, Esther.
Israel sees Bush's push for reaching a peace treaty with the Palestinians within a year as a positive step, the Israeli official said Thursday.
The Israeli response was the first to Bush's call for an end to what he said was the 40-year "occupation" of the West Bank, and for signing a peace treaty before he leaves office in January 2009.
Bush's comments marked a hardening of his tone toward Israel and could put Olmert at odds with right-wing members of his coalition who oppose sweeping peace concessions.
After returning from Ramallah to Jerusalem on Thursday afternoon Bush read out a summary of his visit, laying out his vision for resolving such issues as the Palestinian refugees, which he said would be resolved by the creation of a Palestinian state and compensation.
"I believe we need to look to the establishment of a Palestinian state and new international mechanisms, including compensation, to resolve the refugee issue," Bush said.
"The agreement must establish Palestine as a homeland for the Palestinian people, just as Israel is a homeland for the Jewish people.
"These negotiations must ensure that Israel has secure, recognized, and defensible borders," he said. "And they must ensure that the state of Palestine is viable, contiguous, sovereign and independent."
Bush also named Lt.-Gen. William Fraser to monitor the Israeli-Palestinian road map for peace, the White House said Thursday. Fraser, who is Assistant to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, will "help monitor road map commitments", White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.
Meanwhile, senior PA officials expressed satisfaction with Bush's statements in Ramallah on Thursday, even though the visit resulted in no major achievements for the Palestinians. They emphasized his call for an end to the Israeli occupation and to Israeli building in the settlements and in favor of a peace treaty by the end of the year.
The head of the Palestinian parliament's foreign policy committee, Abdallah Abdallah, told Haaretz on Thursday that, "The first seven years of Bush's presidency were wiped out as far as we're concerned ... he changed, but we can't expect him to be Santa Claus and to bring us a state for the New Year."
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1.
Who has the legal right to partitian out land?
Who has the legal right to partitian out land?
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marilyn
11/01/08
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Why Bush came to Israel
Why Bush came to Israel
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Rabbi Yakov Lazaros
11/01/08
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Mr Ignorant Bush
Mr Ignorant Bush
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Michelle
11/01/08
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Dumb Goliath hits the wall as he approaches Gaza
Dumb Goliath hits the wall as he approaches Gaza
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Tosefta
11/01/08
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busk`s remarks
busk`s remarks
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Beit David
11/01/08
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All matter of chaos in Gaza but no word from Haaretz
All matter of chaos in Gaza but no word from Haaretz
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Avrum
11/01/08
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Americans are paying attn to our elections
Americans are paying attn to our elections
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Denise
11/01/08
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Bush and the palestinian State.
Bush and the palestinian State.
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sandra chitayat
11/01/08
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Everbody Emphasizes What They Like...
Everbody Emphasizes What They Like...
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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bush so confused good thing his term ending soon
bush so confused good thing his term ending soon
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aw
11/01/08
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no. 2 Michelle
no. 2 Michelle
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Steve
11/01/08
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no 2 Michelle (Steve you beat me to the punch!!!)
no 2 Michelle (Steve you beat me to the punch!!!)
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P.man
11/01/08
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the Arabs of Palestine forfeited any legal right to the Land
the Arabs of Palestine forfeited any legal right to the Land
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avigdor
11/01/08
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Abdallah Abdallah
Abdallah Abdallah
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Gina
11/01/08
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THE RIGHT WORDS AFTER 7 YEARS
THE RIGHT WORDS AFTER 7 YEARS
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indrajaya
11/01/08
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Yishai Stands Up to the Twerp
Yishai Stands Up to the Twerp
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Dave
11/01/08
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Jordan with the majority of 70% Palestinian is there home land
Jordan with the majority of 70% Palestinian is there home land
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e.m Jordan is Pales
11/01/08
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For Marilyn, on "partitioning our land" # 1
For Marilyn, on "partitioning our land" # 1
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Clickfool
11/01/08
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what a waste of time
what a waste of time
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dr h
11/01/08
20.
Jeff Northridge #9 a good response. But
Jeff Northridge #9 a good response. But
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S
11/01/08
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dereams dreams dreams are made of this !
dereams dreams dreams are made of this !
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victor hardman
11/01/08
22.
I love the Pollard letter bit
I love the Pollard letter bit
10:06
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Natallie Durson
11/01/08
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Bush: Israel must end the 1967 occupation
Bush: Israel must end the 1967 occupation
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Nora
11/01/08
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BUSH PUSHING ANTI-ISRAEL AGENDA OF STATE DEPT ARABISTS
BUSH PUSHING ANTI-ISRAEL AGENDA OF STATE DEPT ARABISTS
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G. Marcus
11/01/08
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The statements of Bush
The statements of Bush
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Anne
11/01/08
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TO CLICKFOOL #17
TO CLICKFOOL #17
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dovale
11/01/08
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Map
Map
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jjvanka
11/01/08
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jjvanka
jjvanka
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dovale
11/01/08
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End The Murderous Arab Occupation that Increased Between 48-67
End The Murderous Arab Occupation that Increased Between 48-67
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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For years both US and Israel clamed it wasn`t an occupatation...
For years both US and Israel clamed it wasn`t an occupatation...
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Tupac
11/01/08
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Over the past 14 years, the terror PLO-PA
Over the past 14 years, the terror PLO-PA
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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Americans, enjoy your oil.
Americans, enjoy your oil.
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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the Arab states and arab-Pal hatred have fabricated
the Arab states and arab-Pal hatred have fabricated
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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DEU . 30:15
DEU . 30:15
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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marilyn
marilyn
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kiwi girl
11/01/08
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jjvanka`s link
jjvanka`s link
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P.man
11/01/08
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25. Joey? try to pay attention stupid
25. Joey? try to pay attention stupid
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look here fool
11/01/08
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tosefta what is all this hurry about?
tosefta what is all this hurry about?
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jean brodie
11/01/08
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Nora # 20 First Things First
Nora # 20 First Things First
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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the case for Palestine
the case for Palestine
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assad-u-LLAH
11/01/08
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Nazillie Durson
Nazillie Durson
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Nik Miller
11/01/08
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HE STARTED TO REALIZE WHO HE WAS FOR THE ZIONISTS
HE STARTED TO REALIZE WHO HE WAS FOR THE ZIONISTS
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indrajaya
11/01/08
43.
What`s so bad?
What`s so bad?
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Nik Miller
11/01/08
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# kiwi girl
# kiwi girl
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guy
11/01/08
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positive step
positive step
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Patrick Warner
11/01/08
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To sandra chitiyat # 8 - SORRY to contradict you
To sandra chitiyat # 8 - SORRY to contradict you
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Dolly
11/01/08
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The Moslems have been occupying the JEWISH Land for 1394 years
The Moslems have been occupying the JEWISH Land for 1394 years
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AliciaYasmeen
11/01/08
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CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
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Gil
11/01/08
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Tosefta # 4 What`s The Matter With Separate Deals?
Tosefta # 4 What`s The Matter With Separate Deals?
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
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Gil
11/01/08
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#42
#42
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simple observations
11/01/08
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#44 Guy: dig out your map
#44 Guy: dig out your map
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AliciaYasmeen
11/01/08
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Tupac # 30 What `67 Borders?
Tupac # 30 What `67 Borders?
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
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Gil
11/01/08
55.
olmert as a strong leader
olmert as a strong leader
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Yaakov Sullivan
11/01/08
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Dovale (28)
Dovale (28)
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jjvanka
11/01/08
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# 7 Denise...so what have the loony libs
# 7 Denise...so what have the loony libs
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Lynn
11/01/08
58.
Who is the Abominable Slowman?
Who is the Abominable Slowman?
16:26
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Yoav Stern
11/01/08
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# 9 Jeff Northridge..put two and two together
# 9 Jeff Northridge..put two and two together
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Lynn
11/01/08
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jjvanka, great map. The filastinis should hurry
jjvanka, great map. The filastinis should hurry
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Judith, Haifa
11/01/08
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CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
CLICKFOOL (#18) it might come as a shock to you!
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Gil
11/01/08
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# 14 Gina...Exactly right
# 14 Gina...Exactly right
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Lynn
11/01/08
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"A Just and Peaceful solution"
"A Just and Peaceful solution"
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P Reilly
11/01/08
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Tosefta...I also heard "a contiguous Pal state"
Tosefta...I also heard "a contiguous Pal state"
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Lynn
11/01/08
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# 40 assad...then you will be left out in the cold
# 40 assad...then you will be left out in the cold
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Lynn
11/01/08
66.
@ 37 look here fool
@ 37 look here fool
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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# 43 Nik Miller ....good
# 43 Nik Miller ....good
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Lynn
11/01/08
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Re- Mr Ignorant Bush
Re- Mr Ignorant Bush
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Samual
11/01/08
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jews are the only people w. god of their own
jews are the only people w. god of their own
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bozhidar
11/01/08
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To assad-u-lLLAH # 40 - Time for you to stop dreaming.....
To assad-u-lLLAH # 40 - Time for you to stop dreaming.....
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Dolly
11/01/08
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Ismail Haniyeh and we all see how out of touch he really is
Ismail Haniyeh and we all see how out of touch he really is
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Shepherd
11/01/08
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assad-u-LLAH # 40 - "The people of Palestine
assad-u-LLAH # 40 - "The people of Palestine
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Arrabella
11/01/08
73.
Sorry President Bush, Hamas does not agree with you
Sorry President Bush, Hamas does not agree with you
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Dagma
11/01/08
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An early winter day dream (Lynn #54)
An early winter day dream (Lynn #54)
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Tosefta
11/01/08
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# 58 can you get any dumber?
# 58 can you get any dumber?
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Petra
11/01/08
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#4 Tosefta, partially correct but if Hamas agreed to
#4 Tosefta, partially correct but if Hamas agreed to
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Smadar
11/01/08
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no. 32 Joseph
no. 32 Joseph
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Steve
11/01/08
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57. Joey? no one believes that had the palestinians accepted
57. Joey? no one believes that had the palestinians accepted
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pay attention stupid
11/01/08
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Tosefta...contiguous means just that
Tosefta...contiguous means just that
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Lynn
11/01/08
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Lynn # 50 Israel Doesn`t Want Gaza
Lynn # 50 Israel Doesn`t Want Gaza
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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Is Bush becoming more realistic, or did he just forget something?
Is Bush becoming more realistic, or did he just forget something?
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Tosefta
11/01/08
82.
Smadar .....it may be sad that the ROR
Smadar .....it may be sad that the ROR
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Lynn
11/01/08
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The stick and the carrot (Smadar #69)
The stick and the carrot (Smadar #69)
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Tosefta
11/01/08
84.
# 68 PETRA....huh?
# 68 PETRA....huh?
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Lynn
11/01/08
85.
Gone With The Wind
Gone With The Wind
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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For Nik "Podge" Miller # 41
For Nik "Podge" Miller # 41
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Clickfool
11/01/08
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HANIYEH IS BSOLUTELY RIGHT
HANIYEH IS BSOLUTELY RIGHT
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DrivingSeat
11/01/08
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# 71 pay attention stupid
# 71 pay attention stupid
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17
11/01/08
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Haniyeh is right in saying that Hamas cannot accept bush`s
Haniyeh is right in saying that Hamas cannot accept bush`s
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lakshmi
11/01/08
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Take the cure, Jeff (J. Northridge #72; re Lynn)
Take the cure, Jeff (J. Northridge #72; re Lynn)
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Tosefta
11/01/08
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Is Bush becoming more realistic, or did he just forget something?
Is Bush becoming more realistic, or did he just forget something?
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Tosefta
11/01/08
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The stick and the carrot (Smadar #69)
The stick and the carrot (Smadar #69)
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Tosefta
11/01/08
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Jeff Northridge....Actually Blair signed
Jeff Northridge....Actually Blair signed
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Lynn
11/01/08
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Bush & Olmert--tempting G-d...
Bush & Olmert--tempting G-d...
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Webster
11/01/08
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arabs have rejected partition of their land
arabs have rejected partition of their land
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bozhidar
11/01/08
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# 70 Steve @ Minneapolis / USA
# 70 Steve @ Minneapolis / USA
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
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tosefta we find your miserable bullying of mr northridge
tosefta we find your miserable bullying of mr northridge
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richard donovan
11/01/08
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Hamas: Bush`s proposal. Unacceptable.
Hamas: Bush`s proposal. Unacceptable.
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Denise Thompson
11/01/08
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tosefta you are no more then a schoolyard bully
tosefta you are no more then a schoolyard bully
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richard donovan
11/01/08
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# 71 pay attention stupid
# 71 pay attention stupid
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Joseph E .
11/01/08
101.
Hamas will save settlers/zionists from Bush
Hamas will save settlers/zionists from Bush
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Voice of Reason
11/01/08
102.
81. Tosefta of course george didn`t mention democracy
81. Tosefta of course george didn`t mention democracy
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for democracy
11/01/08
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What the "Palestinians" are really proposing
What the "Palestinians" are really proposing
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Scharker Yid
11/01/08
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# 89 r. donovan "osefta you are no more then a schoolyard bully
# 89 r. donovan "osefta you are no more then a schoolyard bully
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17
11/01/08
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Tosefta # 80 Oh, Yeah?
Tosefta # 80 Oh, Yeah?
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
106.
#22 Natalie
#22 Natalie
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Marc
11/01/08
107.
Worldly wisdom for Jeff Northridge #93 - and God`s help
Worldly wisdom for Jeff Northridge #93 - and God`s help
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Gepetto
11/01/08
108.
55 Lynn - I Don`t Think So
55 Lynn - I Don`t Think So
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Mark of Lewiston
11/01/08
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#56 Solution
#56 Solution
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Marc
11/01/08
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Lynn # 83 Interesting
Lynn # 83 Interesting
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Jeff Northridge
11/01/08
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#73 Lynn - it`s understood that the majority of Palestinian
#73 Lynn - it`s understood that the majority of Palestinian
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Smadar
11/01/08
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Don`t know why a number of posters harsh on Tosefta when Jeff N..
Don`t know why a number of posters harsh on Tosefta when Jeff N..
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Smadar
11/01/08
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Hamas does not want a State.
Hamas does not want a State.
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leo
11/01/08
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Hamas is making their younger generation irrelevant
Hamas is making their younger generation irrelevant
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fishy
11/01/08
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#80 Tosspot the high-minded
#80 Tosspot the high-minded
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WWACD
11/01/08
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Jeff re. Tosspot
Jeff re. Tosspot
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WWACD
11/01/08
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89. mr. donovan? i think you take yourself to seriously
89. mr. donovan? i think you take yourself to seriously
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get over yourself
12/01/08
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tosefta "once the siege continues"
tosefta "once the siege continues"
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tveirawatch
12/01/08
119.
"The problem of Palestine will remain alive"
"The problem of Palestine will remain alive"
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
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is tosefta an immoralist
is tosefta an immoralist
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tveirawatch
12/01/08
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# 100 Jeff Northridge...that is what Blair was
# 100 Jeff Northridge...that is what Blair was
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Lynn
12/01/08
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#20, S to Jeff
#20, S to Jeff
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
123.
smadar "i would hope the boycott of hamas
smadar "i would hope the boycott of hamas
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snowbeam
12/01/08
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smadar "gaza cultivated orange groves"
smadar "gaza cultivated orange groves"
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flowerpower
12/01/08
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smadar "i would hope that one day hamas would stop
smadar "i would hope that one day hamas would stop
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tosefta`s gofer
12/01/08
126.
# 56 Reilly...$30 billion in military aid
# 56 Reilly...$30 billion in military aid
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Lynn
12/01/08
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bozhidar # 85 Dismemberment Is The New World Order
bozhidar # 85 Dismemberment Is The New World Order
01:16
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
128.
#112, Smadar
#112, Smadar
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
129.
Smadar # 112 UNSCRs 242 & 338
Smadar # 112 UNSCRs 242 & 338
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
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# 127 Jeff Northridge...ain`t it the truth
# 127 Jeff Northridge...ain`t it the truth
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Lynn
12/01/08
131.
Who is harsh on me? (Smadar #112)
Who is harsh on me? (Smadar #112)
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Tosefta
12/01/08
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#115 WWACD Tosefta Is Nothing but an empty an a DICTATOR WITHOUT
#115 WWACD Tosefta Is Nothing but an empty an a DICTATOR WITHOUT
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Kathy
12/01/08
133.
#112 Smadar blatant revisionism
#112 Smadar blatant revisionism
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peter
12/01/08
134.
PM Haniyeh is right Bush can`t Whitewash Palestinian rights.
PM Haniyeh is right Bush can`t Whitewash Palestinian rights.
04:05
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dutch
12/01/08
135.
Correction (Smadar #112)
Correction (Smadar #112)
04:38
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Tosefta
12/01/08
136.
#40 - there is nothing to discuss
#40 - there is nothing to discuss
04:47
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Dr. Phill
12/01/08
137.
The basic error in the Rice-Olmert approach
The basic error in the Rice-Olmert approach
04:55
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Tosefta
12/01/08
138.
#123 - #125 it`s already predictable you post by 3`s
#123 - #125 it`s already predictable you post by 3`s
05:13
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Smadar
12/01/08
139.
Judith (60)
Judith (60)
05:20
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jjvanka
12/01/08
140.
Insight into the workings of an honest falsifier, I (Jeff N #105)
Insight into the workings of an honest falsifier, I (Jeff N #105)
05:34
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Tosefta
12/01/08
141.
Insight into the workings of an honest falsifier, II(Jeff N #105)
Insight into the workings of an honest falsifier, II(Jeff N #105)
05:35
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Tosefta
12/01/08
142.
#128 Cipora
#128 Cipora
05:38
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Smadar
12/01/08
143.
#129 Jeff
#129 Jeff
05:54
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Smadar
12/01/08
144.
#133 Peter
#133 Peter
06:14
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Smadar
12/01/08
145.
#131 Tosefta
#131 Tosefta
06:38
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Smadar
12/01/08
146.
WWACD #115
WWACD #115
06:58
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CHGODMK
12/01/08
147.
All posters re : Tosefta....Moonlight Sonata
All posters re : Tosefta....Moonlight Sonata
07:21
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Klaudia
12/01/08
148.
Hamas said
Hamas said
08:10
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
149.
#134 doris and the balfour declaration
#134 doris and the balfour declaration
08:25
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victor hardman
12/01/08
150.
#141 more nitwittery from toosofta
#141 more nitwittery from toosofta
08:36
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victor hardman
12/01/08
151.
SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
10:55
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Gil
12/01/08
152.
SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
10:57
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Gil
12/01/08
153.
# 52 AliciaYasmeen
# 52 AliciaYasmeen
11:06
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Guy
12/01/08
154.
#151 gil its haaretz who posts these nonsenses that keep
#151 gil its haaretz who posts these nonsenses that keep
11:18
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victor hardman
12/01/08
155.
Arab News editorial
Arab News editorial
11:26
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
156.
To Clickfool # 18 - Are you just another ignoramus...?
To Clickfool # 18 - Are you just another ignoramus...?
11:45
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Dagma
12/01/08
157.
Klaudia #148: Tosefta and his Hamas predilection explained
Klaudia #148: Tosefta and his Hamas predilection explained
12:03
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S
12/01/08
158.
Gil, Re: SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
Gil, Re: SMADAR (# 112 #143 #144)
12:46
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DUtch
12/01/08
159.
#40 ASSAD UALLA
#40 ASSAD UALLA
13:14
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DANNY
12/01/08
160.
victor hardman # 150 - An `illegal body`....
victor hardman # 150 - An `illegal body`....
13:17
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Dagma
12/01/08
161.
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
13:24
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Gil
12/01/08
162.
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
13:25
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Gil
12/01/08
163.
To Cipora Julianna Kohn - The Peace Process
To Cipora Julianna Kohn - The Peace Process
13:43
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Natasha
12/01/08
164.
The Next Generation of Palestinians.......
The Next Generation of Palestinians.......
14:04
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Dolly
12/01/08
165.
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
TOSFETA the Googling WIKI GIRL has done it again
14:06
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Gil
12/01/08
166.
#153 GUY; please don´t put words into my mouth
#153 GUY; please don´t put words into my mouth
14:10
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AliciaYasmeen
12/01/08
167.
Hamas Says Bush Promises are Unacceptable....
Hamas Says Bush Promises are Unacceptable....
15:40
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Dagma
12/01/08
168.
Smadar # 143 It`s Not My Logic; It`s The UN`s
Smadar # 143 It`s Not My Logic; It`s The UN`s
15:46
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
169.
Jeff , It is your logic or at least the illogic you have accepted
Jeff , It is your logic or at least the illogic you have accepted
16:22
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Dutch
12/01/08
170.
DUTCH well if you are asking so nicely
DUTCH well if you are asking so nicely
16:23
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Gil
12/01/08
171.
AP:REPORT Bush intent to sell Saudi Arabia
AP:REPORT Bush intent to sell Saudi Arabia
16:34
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bill gordon
12/01/08
172.
# 155 Cipora JK ....when it comes down to
# 155 Cipora JK ....when it comes down to
16:44
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Lynn
12/01/08
173.
Tosefta # 140 & 141 That`s An Argument?
Tosefta # 140 & 141 That`s An Argument?
16:46
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
174.
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 1
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 1
16:57
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ivo
12/01/08
175.
Gili debili #165
Gili debili #165
17:05
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Tosefta
12/01/08
176.
Gil, A word about being agreeable
Gil, A word about being agreeable
17:13
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Dutch
12/01/08
177.
George Why don`t you Bomb Yourself and Save Us All
George Why don`t you Bomb Yourself and Save Us All
17:14
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Gilad Atzmon
12/01/08
178.
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 2
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 2
17:21
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ivo
12/01/08
179.
Dutch As for you claim on Arafat
Dutch As for you claim on Arafat
17:23
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Gil
12/01/08
180.
#160 ITS CALLED HAMAS another version of arab terror
#160 ITS CALLED HAMAS another version of arab terror
17:27
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victor hardman
12/01/08
181.
Some help to Smadar on 242
Some help to Smadar on 242
17:34
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Tosefta
12/01/08
182.
Dutch # 169 Strange Argument (part 1)
Dutch # 169 Strange Argument (part 1)
17:38
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
183.
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 3
on posters vs. Tosefta, & especially to Smadar - 3
17:41
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ivo
12/01/08
184.
Natasha on Arabs including the Pals
Natasha on Arabs including the Pals
17:42
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Lynn
12/01/08
185.
In praise of Hamas (for evolution-challenged people) - Ivo
In praise of Hamas (for evolution-challenged people) - Ivo
17:42
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Tosefta (re #174...)
12/01/08
186.
Some explanation (Smadar #145) - 2nd try
Some explanation (Smadar #145) - 2nd try
17:55
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Tosefta
12/01/08
187.
# 179 Gil of Haifa on Dutch.....Bush refused
# 179 Gil of Haifa on Dutch.....Bush refused
17:58
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Lynn
12/01/08
188.
Tosefta on evolution challenged people....
Tosefta on evolution challenged people....
18:11
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Lynn
12/01/08
189.
Dutch # 169 Strange Argument (part 2)
Dutch # 169 Strange Argument (part 2)
18:12
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Jeff Northridge
12/01/08
190.
Gil, I realize Arafat was no angel...
Gil, I realize Arafat was no angel...
18:12
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dUtch
12/01/08
191.
144- Smadar rewrites 242 again
144- Smadar rewrites 242 again
18:23
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peter
12/01/08
192.
Praise for Tosefta
Praise for Tosefta
18:43
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Jasmine Murphy
12/01/08
193.
#151/#152 Gil - fine, res. 242 remains an open issue
#151/#152 Gil - fine, res. 242 remains an open issue
18:54
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Smadar
12/01/08
194.
#168 Jeff
#168 Jeff
19:06
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Smadar
12/01/08
195.
Jeff , My response...
Jeff , My response...
19:10
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Dutch
12/01/08
196.
NR 190-MUFTI is the Uncle of Terrorist Arafat
NR 190-MUFTI is the Uncle of Terrorist Arafat
19:14
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Cristo
12/01/08
197.
Lynn #188: don`t get fooled be the evolution terminology, Lynn -
Lynn #188: don`t get fooled be the evolution terminology, Lynn -
19:19
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ivo
12/01/08
198.
# 193 Smadar on problem with refugees
# 193 Smadar on problem with refugees
19:21
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Lynn
12/01/08
199.
Help needed (Jeff Northridge #173) - new version
Help needed (Jeff Northridge #173) - new version
19:21
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Tosefta
12/01/08
200.
In praise of Jasmine Murphy #192
In praise of Jasmine Murphy #192
19:32
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Tosefta
12/01/08
201.
ivo...Dubai and Kuwait are progressing
ivo...Dubai and Kuwait are progressing
19:45
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Lynn
12/01/08
202.
#196 Cristo`s legends about the Mufti
#196 Cristo`s legends about the Mufti
19:48
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Tosefta
12/01/08
203.
The UN said Israel is the Jewish State
The UN said Israel is the Jewish State
20:08
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Yaakov K.
12/01/08
204.
Thank you for the tactful reminder, Dear Tosefta
Thank you for the tactful reminder, Dear Tosefta
20:08
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Jasmine Murphy
12/01/08
205.
tosefta the plo charter was not changed
tosefta the plo charter was not changed
20:11
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yirmi
12/01/08
206.
Toseftas nonsense
Toseftas nonsense
20:27
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Danite
12/01/08
207.
Ivo #183,#186,#191
Ivo #183,#186,#191
20:29
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Smadar
12/01/08
208.
to assad u-LLAH
to assad u-LLAH
20:44
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Raanan Geberer
12/01/08
209.
#186 Tosefta - Isn`t that the truth!
#186 Tosefta - Isn`t that the truth!
20:47
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Smadar
12/01/08
210.
197 Ivo - Just because you can buy an Ipod...
197 Ivo - Just because you can buy an Ipod...
20:51
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WWACD
12/01/08
211.
# 202 Tosefta...in most legends there is a grain of truth
# 202 Tosefta...in most legends there is a grain of truth
21:16
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Lynn
12/01/08
212.
ivo...just another thought
ivo...just another thought
21:23
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Lynn
12/01/08
213.
Then I take back what I said (Jasmine #204)
Then I take back what I said (Jasmine #204)
21:34
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Tosefta
12/01/08
214.
Tosefta, Re Hamas has changed
Tosefta, Re Hamas has changed
21:36
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Dutch
12/01/08
215.
Woof Woof, Dumbite #206
Woof Woof, Dumbite #206
21:37
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Tony the Poodle
12/01/08
216.
Lynn #201: on what i meant - the misleading word, -
Lynn #201: on what i meant - the misleading word, -
21:38
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ivo
12/01/08
217.
territorial waters
territorial waters
21:40
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
12/01/08
218.
It is the picture and the mind of the accusers (Lynn #211)
It is the picture and the mind of the accusers (Lynn #211)
21:48
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Tosefta
12/01/08
219.
#206 Danite, where`ve you been & happy belated new years!
#206 Danite, where`ve you been & happy belated new years!
21:54
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Smadar
12/01/08
220.
WWACD #210: get my point -
WWACD #210: get my point -
21:57
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ivo
12/01/08
221.
THE MAN IS CONFUSED HE MEANS 2080
THE MAN IS CONFUSED HE MEANS 2080
22:03
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v hardman
12/01/08
222.
Smadar #207: this is about the leap in the dark, -
Smadar #207: this is about the leap in the dark, -
22:29
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ivo
12/01/08
223.
ivo...I bow to your wisdom # 216
ivo...I bow to your wisdom # 216
22:42
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Lynn
12/01/08
224.
How to learn Earthly law from the news(Bird from Outerspace #217)
How to learn Earthly law from the news(Bird from Outerspace #217)
22:51
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Tosefta
12/01/08
225.
The interesting issue of territorial waters
The interesting issue of territorial waters
23:00
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Dorothy
12/01/08
226.
suggestion to monitors of these contemporary forums.
suggestion to monitors of these contemporary forums.
23:14
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bill gordon
12/01/08
227.
to Dutch
to Dutch
23:21
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Rasputin
12/01/08
228.
Smadar`s obfuscations for Ivo
Smadar`s obfuscations for Ivo
23:37
|
Jasmine Murphy
12/01/08
229.
ivo....... second attempt
ivo....... second attempt
23:43
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Lynn
12/01/08
230.
# 214 Dutch ...while quoting Franklin
# 214 Dutch ...while quoting Franklin
23:49
|
Lynn
12/01/08
231.
why has the whole world been taken in by the huge
why has the whole world been taken in by the huge
23:50
|
politicalscience
12/01/08
232.
How to learn Earthly law from the news(Bird from Outerspace #217)
How to learn Earthly law from the news(Bird from Outerspace #217)
00:02
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Tosefta
13/01/08
233.
why have the global warming missionaries
why have the global warming missionaries
00:34
|
politicalscience
13/01/08
234.
#228, Tosefta, total nonsense
#228, Tosefta, total nonsense
00:36
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
13/01/08
235.
and who else calls global warming a pseudoscience?
and who else calls global warming a pseudoscience?
00:39
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politicalscience
13/01/08
236.
tosefta why do you bore us to tears with your
tosefta why do you bore us to tears with your
00:43
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territorialwaters
13/01/08
237.
Lynn #228: an epiphany for sure, Lynn -
Lynn #228: an epiphany for sure, Lynn -
00:56
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ivo
13/01/08
238.
Hamas, Jewish left insists you love her, won`t take no for answer
Hamas, Jewish left insists you love her, won`t take no for answer
01:27
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Sam
13/01/08
239.
#233, Tosefta, post script
#233, Tosefta, post script
01:28
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Cipora Julianna Kohn
13/01/08
240.
political science-you are in the wrong classroom
political science-you are in the wrong classroom
01:29
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Sam
13/01/08
241.
Egypt, Israel, and PA Agree
Egypt, Israel, and PA Agree
01:33
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Mark of Lewiston
13/01/08
242.
Smadar Hello
Smadar Hello
01:49
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Danite
13/01/08
243.
Tosefta # 231 By "Nation" Is Meant A Sovereign State
Tosefta # 231 By "Nation" Is Meant A Sovereign State
02:01
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Jeff Northridge
13/01/08
244.
Jasmine Murphy #228: nice sense of humour, Jasmine -
Jasmine Murphy #228: nice sense of humour, Jasmine -
02:12
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ivo
13/01/08
245.
politicalscience # 231 We Haven`t Done Enough
politicalscience # 231 We Haven`t Done Enough
02:32
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Jeff Northridge
13/01/08
246.
WICKED LIE of Peace. Every Year PA CELEBRATE 9-11 TERROR ATTACKS
WICKED LIE of Peace. Every Year PA CELEBRATE 9-11 TERROR ATTACKS
02:34
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Linda Rivera
13/01/08
247.
Olmert and Gangs Godfather of Arafat` Dream .
Olmert and Gangs Godfather of Arafat` Dream .
02:36
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Joseph E .
13/01/08
248.
Israel has an Image Problem
Israel has an Image Problem
02:36
|
Joseph E .
13/01/08
249.
Peres with PM and Gangs Peace` Conception
Peres with PM and Gangs Peace` Conception
02:41
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Joseph E .
13/01/08
250.
Ehud Barak dragged a reluctant President Clinton
Ehud Barak dragged a reluctant President Clinton
02:43
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Joseph E .
13/01/08
251.
Bush`s WICKED LIE of Occupation. Return STOLEN JEWISH LAND!
Bush`s WICKED LIE of Occupation. Return STOLEN JEWISH LAND!
02:49
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Linda Rivera
13/01/08
252.
Bush WICKEDLY IGNORES Justice for One Million JEWISH REFUGEES
Bush WICKEDLY IGNORES Justice for One Million JEWISH REFUGEES
02:56
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Linda Rivera
13/01/08
253.
Bush WICKEDLY IGNORES Muslims Already Have ARAB PAL STATE
Bush WICKEDLY IGNORES Muslims Already Have ARAB PAL STATE
02:59
|
Linda Rivera
13/01/08
254.
Total Nonsense?Offshore Plan Approved by the PA
Total Nonsense?Offshore Plan Approved by the PA
03:15
|
Dorothy
13/01/08
255.
Cipora- Total Nonsense? -(2)
Cipora- Total Nonsense? -(2)
03:18
|
Dorothy
13/01/08
256.
#221 Victorpaul Harrisman a blast from the past
#221 Victorpaul Harrisman a blast from the past
03:56
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Labhras
13/01/08
257.
# 222 Tosefta - Defending Mufti from Jews - so Toseftaesque
# 222 Tosefta - Defending Mufti from Jews - so Toseftaesque
04:14
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17
13/01/08
258.
# 253 how wicked of you, linda rivera in NEW YORK
# 253 how wicked of you, linda rivera in NEW YORK
08:02
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eric
13/01/08
259.
There is not one element of truth in the "peace process".
There is not one element of truth in the "peace process".
09:06
|
Chaim
13/01/08
260.
Mark of Lewiston
Mark of Lewiston
09:30
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Jasmine Murphy
13/01/08
261.
#256 labarse of arabia wakes up in boston again
#256 labarse of arabia wakes up in boston again
09:59
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v hardman
13/01/08
262.
Michelle, who is the U.S. to dictate to Israel?
Michelle, who is the U.S. to dictate to Israel?
10:17
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Mike McKenna
13/01/08
263.
#47 Alicia, last I recalled the Jews barely held this land
#47 Alicia, last I recalled the Jews barely held this land
10:22
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Palestinian Prince
13/01/08
264.
155# Cipora "It is clear that Arabs are not interested
155# Cipora "It is clear that Arabs are not interested
10:53
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Akram Zekaria
13/01/08
265.
#263 Palestinian Prince
#263 Palestinian Prince
14:52
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AliciaYasmeen
13/01/08
266.
The blockheads who never learn (Dorothy #254)
The blockheads who never learn (Dorothy #254)
15:09
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Tosefta
13/01/08
267.
#234 Cipora Northridge, Honoris Causa
#234 Cipora Northridge, Honoris Causa
15:22
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Tosefta
13/01/08
268.
TOSEFTA (#175)
TOSEFTA (#175)
17:21
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Gil
13/01/08
269.
Tosefta- Thank you but
Tosefta- Thank you but
03:42
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Dorothy
14/01/08
270.
#268 Gil- regarding mockery
#268 Gil- regarding mockery
03:48
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Dorothy
14/01/08
271.
#32 Joseph E.
#32 Joseph E.
08:32
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Observer
15/01/08
272.
Joseph on Deut
Joseph on Deut
08:36
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Observer
15/01/08