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Demands of a thief
By Gideon Levy
Tags: occupation, Annapolis 

The public discourse in Israel has momentarily awoken from its slumber. "To give or not to give," that is the Shakespearean question - "to make concessions" or "not to make concessions." It is good that initial signs of life in the Israeli public have emerged. It was worth going to Annapolis if only for this reason - but this discourse is baseless and distorted. Israel is not being asked "to give" anything to the Palestinians; it is only being asked to return - to return their stolen land and restore their trampled self-respect, along with their fundamental human rights and humanity. This is the primary core issue, the only one worthy of the title, and no one talks about it anymore.

No one is talking about morality anymore. Justice is also an archaic concept, a taboo that has deliberately been erased from all negotiations. Two and a half million people - farmers, merchants, lawyers, drivers, daydreaming teenage girls, love-smitten men, old people, women, children and combatants using violent means for a just cause - have all been living under a brutal boot for 40 years. Meanwhile, in our cafes and living rooms the conversation is over giving or not giving.

Lawyers, philosophers, writers, lecturers, intellectuals and rabbis, who are looked upon for basic knowledge about moral precepts, participate in this distorted discourse. What will they tell their children - after the occupation finally becomes a nightmare of the past - about the period in which they wielded influence? What will they say about their role in this? Israeli students stand at checkpoints as part of their army reserve duty, brutally deciding the fate of people, and then some rush off to lectures on ethics at university, forgetting what they did the previous day and what is being done in their names every single day. Intellectuals publish petitions, "to make concessions" or "not to make concessions," diverting attention from the core issue. There are stormy debates about corruption - whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is corrupt and how the Supreme Court is being undermined. But there is no discussion of the ultimate question: Isn't the occupation the greatest and most terrible corruption to have taken root here, overshadowing everything else?
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Security officials are terrified about what would happen if we removed a checkpoint or released prisoners, like the whites in South Africa who whipped up a frenzy of fear about the "great slaughter" that would ensue if blacks were granted their rights. But these are not legitimate questions: The incarceration must be ended and the myriad of political prisoners should be released unconditionally. Just as a thief cannot present demands - neither preconditions nor any other terms - to the owner of the property he has robbed, Israel cannot present demands to the other side as long as the situation remains as it is.

Security? We must defend ourselves by defensive means. Those who do not believe that the only security we will enjoy will come from ending the occupation and from peace can entrench themselves in the army, and behind walls and fences. But we have no right to do what we are doing: Just as no one would conceive of killing the residents of an entire neighborhood, to harass and incarcerate it because of a few criminals living there, there is no justification for abusing an entire people in the name of our security. The question of whether ending the occupation would threaten or strengthen Israel's security is irrelevant. There are not, and cannot be, any preconditions for restoring justice.

No one will discuss this at Annapolis. Even if the real core issues were raised, they would focus on secondary questions - borders, Jerusalem and even refugees. But that would be escaping the main issue. After 40 years, one might have expected that the real core issue would finally be raised for honest and bold discussion: Does Israel have the moral right to continue the occupation? The world should have asked this long ago. The Palestinians should have focused only on this. And above all, we, who bear the guilt, should have been terribly troubled by the answer to this question.
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  1.   Demand of a "thief"? 10:23  |  Gabe 25/11/07
  2.   Gideon Levy, I am on My Knees Before You! 10:28  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  3.   ONE FATAL MISCALCULATION SINCE 1967 10:29  |  indrajaya 25/11/07
  4.   The dim light at the end of the tunnel 10:30  |  Steve the Pals. 25/11/07
  5.   What Israel gives... 10:32  |  Esther 25/11/07
  6.   Gideon Levy the Traitor is acting to dismantle only Jewish State 10:35  |  Genuine Tosefta 25/11/07
  7.   Who pays Gideon Levy`s salary? The PLO or Suicidal Israelis? 10:39  |  nh 25/11/07
  8.   Levy, before occupation Israel was just blessed with peace... 10:42  |  Rob 25/11/07
  9.   gideon levy 10:50  |  A.M. 25/11/07
  10.   Gideon Levy once again both right and wrong..... 10:52  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  11.   murderer, occupier, thief and liar 10:53  |  Israeli 25/11/07
  12.   IT WAS QUIET BEFORE ISRAEL BEGAN TO OFFER LAND FOR PEACE)) 10:54  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 25/11/07
  13.   Cross-eyed 10:59  |  Pinchas 25/11/07
  14.   Demands from Pals who have NOT changed their OFFICIAL attitude 11:00  |  PETER S.M. 25/11/07
  15.   1ST BOOK OF THE TORAH WAS WRITTEN FOR ALL NATIONS TO KNOW THAT 11:01  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 25/11/07
  16.   Re Gabe #1 11:02  |  Esther 25/11/07
  17.   Justice and Injustice 11:11  |  Dan 25/11/07
  18.   Very interesing Gideon - you should read what our Foreign office 11:11  |  Judith, Haifa 25/11/07
  19.   Fundamental Islam VS Fundamental Human Rights 11:18  |  Klaudia 25/11/07
  20.   it is not VOICE of MOSHIACH but face of Voice of the Devil 11:20  |  Messianic 25/11/07
  21.   Palestinains are not a myth 11:21  |  Palestinian Brit 25/11/07
  22.   It takes one to know one 11:24  |  Zev 25/11/07
  23.   Are you Jewish? 11:30  |  Avi Yerushalmi 25/11/07
  24.   False Leftist " Morality " 11:31  |  Klaudia 25/11/07
  25.   Philistines are triple myth, disappeared 2,500 yrs go 11:33  |  Genuine Tosefta 25/11/07
  26.   "OCCUPIER"Without Arab imperialism it would never have happened 11:33  |  PETER S.M. 25/11/07
  27.   actually it`s exactly vice versa because the arabs who started... 11:39  |  scallywag 25/11/07
  28.   gabe 1 translation 11:40  |  realism 25/11/07
  29.   a question to palestinian brit 11:42  |  scallywag 25/11/07
  30.   genuine tosefta 6 11:42  |  realism 25/11/07
  31.   Gideon manipulates the ignorant 11:44  |  Gilad 25/11/07
  32.   PAL BRIT Of course not a myth.UN made ALL Arabs residing 2 yrs 11:44  |  PETER S.M. 25/11/07
  33.   Israels peace policy has returned good and bad news 11:47  |  Natallie Durson 25/11/07
  34.   What Gideon Levy Should Be Emphasizing 11:52  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  35.   Justice is a luxury Israel cant afford. 12:17  |  David 25/11/07
  36.   Is Israel a "thief" or rather a bit "insatiable"....??? 12:21  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  37.   Levy 12:22  |  Choni Davidowitz 25/11/07
  38.   #23 Avi Yerushalmi 12:27  |  Jim 25/11/07
  39.   Demands 12:32  |  Veni Vidi 25/11/07
  40.   to Judith, Haifa #18 12:33  |  zeev 25/11/07
  41.   The Arabs are the thieves Gideon 13:18  |  Steven 25/11/07
  42.   to Choni Davidowitz #37 13:18  |  zeev 25/11/07
  43.   standing on a soapbox 13:27  |  yonah 25/11/07
  44.   Gideon Levy thinks good but do some misses 13:28  |  Harald Haaretssen 25/11/07
  45.   # 34 Tzfonit 13:29  |  Jim 25/11/07
  46.   Dino...a Q.... 13:34  |  Ofer 25/11/07
  47.   # 36 Swiss Dino 13:41  |  Jim 25/11/07
  48.   Klaudia Dearest #19 13:57  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  49.   Ha`Aretz I am asking nicely...................... 14:01  |  Ari ben Yisrael 25/11/07
  50.   Jim #44 14:02  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  51.   #4 Steve the Pals, Who trows partners from roofs to solve issues 14:04  |  Max Zinger,P.Chimist 25/11/07
  52.   ZEEV #41 14:05  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  53.   Israel belongs to the Jews... 14:07  |  Kenneth 25/11/07
  54.   I cry for Israel 14:08  |  Izwick 25/11/07
  55.   # 45 Ofer 14:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  56.   Well said Gideon,but judging from the comments of most of the 14:15  |  lakshmi 25/11/07
  57.   Yes, Levi, I also think we should just pack up and walk 14:18  |  Anat 25/11/07
  58.   nh, @7. haaretz pays his big salary and EU. 14:22  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  59.   # 46 Jim 14:24  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  60.   @8, rob, levy has different logic; israel is always wrong, wrong, 14:25  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  61.   #15 1ST BOOK OF THE TORAH -IS `3` BOOKS)))) 14:27  |  VOICE of REASON))) 25/11/07
  62.   Israeli #11 14:28  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  63.   Swiss (Dino)....I see 14:29  |  Ofer 25/11/07
  64.   Ari ben Deluded 14:31  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  65.   to Avi Yerushalmi #23 14:32  |  zeev 25/11/07
  66.   @32, peter s. m. 14:39  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  67.   Jim 14:42  |  Walid 25/11/07
  68.   Censorship At Its fines 14:45  |  Bracha of SS 25/11/07
  69.   @36, swiss, we are smart people by any acceptable 14:46  |  vvvv 25/11/07
  70.   to Ari ben Yisrael #50 14:48  |  zeev 25/11/07
  71.   # 64 Ofer 14:52  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  72.   Choni`s false dichotomy. #37 14:54  |  Voice of Reason))) 25/11/07
  73.   gabe1, the corned beef toronto is great by in williage is even 14:55  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  74.   vladimir thanks for the information on "instant" Palestinians 14:57  |  PETER S.M. 25/11/07
  75.   Something to be proud of... 15:03  |  Tess 25/11/07
  76.   Levy - Wrong Again, Anti-Israel Again 15:06  |  David Samson 25/11/07
  77.   The BIG LIE from a sick man;read the bible 15:08  |  sam 25/11/07
  78.   thief,occupier,racist and other dogma 15:20  |  peter 25/11/07
  79.   Vladimir #74 15:25  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  80.   Israel is more like a RAPIST: 15:29  |  POP 25/11/07
  81.   much worse than unjust,it`s a mistake 15:30  |  french marshal 25/11/07
  82.   Gideon Levy 15:31  |  Ralph 25/11/07
  83.   swiss (dino) - a question 15:36  |  scallywag 25/11/07
  84.   Gideon Levy IS A TERRORIST APPEASER!!!!! 15:40  |  THE END IS NEAR 25/11/07
  85.   @75, peter s. m. and even their chidren born outside of 15:42  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  86.   Walid, you are quite wrong 15:46  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  87.   @80 ,gabe1, i am getting cornedbeef sandwiches from toronto all 15:48  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  88.   # 30 realism 15:50  |  17 25/11/07
  89.   Swiss (Dino)....the partition plan... 15:56  |  Ofer 25/11/07
  90.   Gideon Levy 15:56  |  rich 25/11/07
  91.   ISRAELI SOLDIERS "PAID" FOR WHAT WE 15:58  |  Robert 25/11/07
  92.   Spewing occupation bull crap 15:59  |  Brod 25/11/07
  93.   @70 ww 16:00  |  Mark B. 25/11/07
  94.   # 15 - voice of .........THE MIDDLE AGES!!!! 16:01  |  Robert 25/11/07
  95.   Walid #87 16:03  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  96.   as to mashiakh 16:03  |  isaiah 2 25/11/07
  97.   Gideon you are a thief 16:14  |  arab 25/11/07
  98.   to GABE1 #53 16:18  |  zeev 25/11/07
  99.   Vladimir #88 16:18  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  100.   Occupation 16:20  |  L.Fisch 25/11/07
  101.   #11 survivor or murderer,...etc ? 16:21  |  moshe Israel 25/11/07
  102.   Gideon Levy, Yes, those brutal aggressors need to be booted out 16:21  |  Dutch 25/11/07
  103.   # 21 # Mr.Wan Kerr is anti Israeli 16:23  |  ** B.Heddem ** 25/11/07
  104.   Gideon you are a thief 2 16:31  |  arab 25/11/07
  105.   Zeev # 99 16:35  |  GABE1 25/11/07
  106.   #11 survivors or murderers ...etc ? 16:35  |  moshe Israel 25/11/07
  107.   question for Tzfonit? 16:36  |  Tess 25/11/07
  108.   demands of a thief 16:40  |  Bear 25/11/07
  109.   on arab #98 16:41  |  zeev 25/11/07
  110.   To Gabe 1 and vladimir... You guys are making me hungry ! 16:41  |  Klaudia 25/11/07
  111.   #37 -- Choni`s logic 16:42  |  Court of Law 25/11/07
  112.   LEVY THE CUCKOO IS DIRTYING THE NEST 16:43  |  **B.HEDDIM** 25/11/07
  113.   Between Thiefs n Traitors...poor Gideon, working for Haaretz 16:49  |  The Dumbite Kid 25/11/07
  114.   Tess 16:51  |  arab 25/11/07
  115.   Insult to intelligence! 16:55  |  Chris 25/11/07
  116.   Dutch.....beautiful 16:56  |  rich 25/11/07
  117.   The Border Issue--A Secondary Question? 16:59  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  118.   Palestinian Brit 17:00  |  rich 25/11/07
  119.   Amazing, well-written article! 17:00  |  Realistic 2006 25/11/07
  120.   # 4 : Steve the Pals from Toronto 17:01  |  17 25/11/07
  121.   Propaganda 17:03  |  Jane 25/11/07
  122.   Honest and brave . Start the peace intifada in Israel 17:05  |  Charlie 25/11/07
  123.   Arab- I am of mixed ancestry 17:06  |  Tess 25/11/07
  124.   Time with the Thiefs...Gideon Children`s will live ashamed... 17:06  |  The Dumbite Kid 25/11/07
  125.   Dino who attacked who in 1948? 17:09  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 25/11/07
  126.   #36 swiss insatiable or will to live 17:10  |  duncan 25/11/07
  127.   RETURN THE PALESTINE TO THEIR OWN LAND 17:13  |  abel 25/11/07
  128.   Dutch # 103 Freudian Slip? 17:14  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  129.   # 26 Peter S.M** But Peter,Those are more for "DAR EL HARB" 17:26  |  JOSH 25/11/07
  130.   #124 tess 17:26  |  duncan 25/11/07
  131.   Dutch 103 do you really think Israel cares about what your child 17:31  |  The Equalizer 25/11/07
  132.   @100, gabe1. thanks 17:32  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  133.   Tzfonit 17:34  |  Walid 25/11/07
  134.   #123 charlie, what the palestinians could be doing. 17:37  |  duncan 25/11/07
  135.   # 31Gilad..Gideon manipulates the ignorant 17:39  |  JOSH 25/11/07
  136.   tzonfit #2 with Friends like Levy, Israel needs no enemies 17:42  |  The Equalizer 25/11/07
  137.   #122 Jane. For some perspective 17:42  |  Hubal 25/11/07
  138.   #120 realistic 17:46  |  duncan 25/11/07
  139.   @115, realistic2006 17:51  |  vladimir 25/11/07
  140.   Klaudia 17:51  |  Walid 25/11/07
  141.   two basic facts 17:54  |  margaret 25/11/07
  142.   to give or not to give bacfk` 17:58  |  king k 25/11/07
  143.   To Gabe 1 and vladimir 17:59  |  Mark B. 25/11/07
  144.   #76 tess 17:59  |  duncan 25/11/07
  145.   Levys twisted mind sank to a new low 18:01  |  TOMY 25/11/07
  146.   re: Zeev 18:01  |  Fred 25/11/07
  147.   Concessions 18:02  |  Shmuelshachor 25/11/07
  148.   Empowering Global Jihad: Jew-haters WICKED LIE of Occupation 18:05  |  Linda Rivera 25/11/07
  149.   #142 margaret 2 more basic facts 18:06  |  duncan 25/11/07
  150.   Is this "Peace in our Times?" 18:06  |  Fred 25/11/07
  151.   Gabe 1 18:07  |  Walid 25/11/07
  152.   Is Mr. Levy a SECRET Convert to the Military Religion of Islam? 18:07  |  Linda Rivera 25/11/07
  153.   Zeev #66 18:08  |  Avi Yerushalmi 25/11/07
  154.   142 Margaret the mental midget...International law... 18:09  |  The Equalizer 25/11/07
  155.   Jew-haters Despise TRUTH. Muslims Already Have an ARAB Pal State 18:10  |  Linda Rivera 25/11/07
  156.   Hubal - The Line Between News and Propaganda 18:10  |  Jane 25/11/07
  157.   #4 Steve,there is no desency or humanity 18:10  |  TOMY 25/11/07
  158.   Ya Walid, YOU JUST DON`T GET IT 18:11  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  159.   Must be content with international law and cost/benefit ratio 18:11  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  160.   Duncan #131- you missed somethings... 18:12  |  Tess 25/11/07
  161.   Zeev # 66 part 2 18:12  |  Avi Yerushalmi 25/11/07
  162.   Jew-haters Ignore JUSTICE for One Million JEWISH Refugees 18:13  |  Linda Rivera 25/11/07
  163.   AM, By leaving teritories we will get more 18:13  |  TOMY 25/11/07
  164.   #57 lakshimi: concerning the jews p1 18:17  |  duncan 25/11/07
  165.   #57 lakshimi: concerning the jews p2 18:18  |  duncan 25/11/07
  166.   To #135 Duncan . First unplug our electric chairs so we can start 18:27  |  Charlie 25/11/07
  167.   Walid, Gideon Levy is Correct, BUT 18:27  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  168.   To Walid 18:29  |  Klaudia 25/11/07
  169.   God is No Real Estate Agent 18:30  |  An Honest American 25/11/07
  170.   57lakshmi talks about 60 yrs of Israeli occupation, move into sea 18:32  |  Rob 25/11/07
  171.   This Levy is a Jew or an Arab? 18:34  |  Yaakov K. 25/11/07
  172.   Here are five options 18:36  |  Sam 25/11/07
  173.   17 89 18:36  |  realism 25/11/07
  174.   134Walid Was there peace before 67 occupation? 18:36  |  Rob 25/11/07
  175.   142Margaret One basic fact: The right of self Defense after being 18:43  |  Rob 25/11/07
  176.   # 84 scallywag 18:44  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  177.   Walid # 134 What Theft? 18:49  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  178.   # 127 duncan 18:53  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  179.   Swiss Dino re M in TA #126 18:56  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  180.   # 170: you are wrong 18:58  |  Mark Marshall 25/11/07
  181.   #142 Say Equalizer 19:00  |  ballistic 25/11/07
  182.   #163 Say Linda Rivera 19:02  |  ballistic 25/11/07
  183.   Gideon Levy, The comments on here 19:02  |  Dutch 25/11/07
  184.   # 126 Margie in Tel Aviv "The "enemy" within" 19:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  185.   to Avi Yerushalmi - Can`t make peace based on Biblical terms 19:06  |  B`Galil 25/11/07
  186.   Rob, lets stop living in the past while people die today... 19:07  |  Tess 25/11/07
  187.   to #66 Zeev - VERY WELL SAID! 19:09  |  B`Galil 25/11/07
  188.   to Avi Yerushalmi - Yes & NO 19:12  |  B`Galil 25/11/07
  189.   to Avi Yerushalmi - Yes & NO 19:14  |  B`Galil 25/11/07
  190.   Who needs enemies when we have our own Gideon Levy! 19:16  |  John 25/11/07
  191.   Equalizer, Israel`s violence is low on the food chain 19:19  |  Dutch 25/11/07
  192.   An Honest American # 170 The God Argument 19:27  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  193.   Tess -right of return 19:28  |  Pssd Off American 25/11/07
  194.   swiss (dino) again 19:30  |  scallywag 25/11/07
  195.   Right he is! 19:31  |  Thomas 25/11/07
  196.   Dino 19:32  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 25/11/07
  197.   I can`t say enough to express my gratitude. 19:35  |  Max Schindler 25/11/07
  198.   # 174 realism 19:40  |  17 25/11/07
  199.   Jeff, My Freudian slip 19:40  |  Dutch 25/11/07
  200.   103 Dutch,greetings,good to know that at least one american 19:45  |  lakshmi 25/11/07
  201.   # 165/6 Dunkan - and you wasted all this glory on lakshmi... 19:45  |  17 25/11/07
  202.   Israelis take note 19:45  |  Pssd Off American 25/11/07
  203.   Tzonfit,I see your point but any peace efforts have to be 19:52  |  lakshmi 25/11/07
  204.   Is this what the prophet spoke about? 19:53  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  205.   Re Esther #16 19:53  |  SAGE 25/11/07
  206.   Demands of thieves like Tess 19:59  |  peter 25/11/07
  207.   # 159 Tosefta - Intellectual honesty 20:01  |  17 25/11/07
  208.   #178 swiss defensible borders 20:06  |  duncan 25/11/07
  209.   Gideon Levy - "distorted view of history" is yours 20:08  |  Moises 25/11/07
  210.   Tess, #107 That is exactly what I am saying 20:09  |  Tzfonit 25/11/07
  211.   Margie the typical zionist who does not want peace 20:11  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  212.   #154 Equalizer you`re wrong 20:12  |  maragret 25/11/07
  213.   #166 charlie 20:13  |  duncan 25/11/07
  214.   #180 RE pie in the sky real estate co. 20:15  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  215.   #175 Rob 20:16  |  margaret 25/11/07
  216.   Demands of a thief 20:16  |  ines 25/11/07
  217.   Jane #156 You protest too much 20:17  |  Hubal 25/11/07
  218.   peter rabbit tortured by the tyranny of distance 20:26  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  219.   # 160 tess 20:27  |  duncan 25/11/07
  220.   # 179 Labhras 20:27  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  221.   17 #193 ....intellectual honesty indeed? 20:27  |  Hubal 25/11/07
  222.   peter, at least my demands are not one-sided... 20:28  |  Tess 25/11/07
  223.   What does Israel want 20:29  |  Leon Lou 25/11/07
  224.   #168 tess 20:31  |  duncan 25/11/07
  225.   What Are The Arabs Griping About Anyway? 20:33  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  226.   ONE FATAL MISCALCULATION SINCE 1967 20:35  |  ines lebel 25/11/07
  227.   I HAVE SOLUCION = PALM ISLAND DUBAI 20:38  |  muycommunista 25/11/07
  228.   Gideon Levy the Traitor is acting to dismantle only Jewish State 20:39  |  ines lebel 25/11/07
  229.   such junk thinking is creative only if writing lies is considered 20:40  |  ralph 25/11/07
  230.   #212 margaret 20:41  |  duncan 25/11/07
  231.   Jeff Northridge 20:46  |  Walid 25/11/07
  232.   #211 labrhas, trojan horses in west bank 20:46  |  duncan 25/11/07
  233.   # 208 duncan 20:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  234.   # 221 Hubal 20:53  |  17 25/11/07
  235.   returning the knife to the thief 20:54  |  A Friedman 25/11/07
  236.   # 194 scallywag 20:56  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  237.   Who pays Gideon Levy`s salary? The PLO or Suicidal Israelis? 20:56  |  ines lebel 25/11/07
  238.   #223 leon 20:57  |  duncan 25/11/07
  239.   B`Galil #185 and# 189and maybe #188 20:59  |  Avi Yerushalmi 25/11/07
  240.   Demands of a thief 21:01  |  ines lebel 25/11/07
  241.   # 196 Margie in Tel Aviv 21:03  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  242.   #202 american 21:04  |  duncan 25/11/07
  243.   again swiss (dino) - 2. try 21:05  |  scallywag 25/11/07
  244.   No sins of the fathers (Tess #186) 21:06  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  245.   #193 american 21:09  |  duncan 25/11/07
  246.   What is intellect; what is honesty? (Prisoner 17 #207) 21:11  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  247.   G ideon Levy 21:17  |  yuval 25/11/07
  248.   The heavy price of occupation 21:19  |  sh 25/11/07
  249.   Gideon Levy, I am on My Knees Before You! 21:26  |  ines lebel 25/11/07
  250.   @93, mark b. i did not say that others are stupid. 21:28  |  ww 25/11/07
  251.   I only wish all Israelis could be like Gideon Levy. 21:31  |  Deborah 25/11/07
  252.   No sins of the fathers (Tess #186) 21:33  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  253.   #227 tosefta 21:40  |  duncan 25/11/07
  254.   Hubal I too See the Occupation as Cancer 21:43  |  Jane 25/11/07
  255.   So what is Grossman`s answer? (Sh #229) 21:43  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  256.   the arab occupier theft extortions thru Abu Levy` massacre of the 21:46  |  Joseph E . post 1 25/11/07
  257.   #220 Swiss Dino 21:46  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  258.   Gideon Levy`s Fantasy Island 21:47  |  Proud Israeli 25/11/07
  259.   #235 deborah 21:47  |  duncan 25/11/07
  260.   223 Leon Lou,the blight goes even earlier,because in 1947 21:47  |  lakshmi 25/11/07
  261.   Most Ghastly Impostor Pseudo-Intellectual turned Arab Hater #236 21:48  |  Genuine Tosefta 25/11/07
  262.   Tess 21:48  |  ConnieM. 25/11/07
  263.   the arab occupier theft extortions thru Abu Levy` massacre of the 21:48  |  Joseph E . post 2 25/11/07
  264.   Demands of a thief 21:49  |  Caty 25/11/07
  265.   Deborah, Jews should rather live with guilt than not be alive 21:51  |  Genuine Tosefta 25/11/07
  266.   #245 jane 21:52  |  duncan 25/11/07
  267.   Tosefta 21:53  |  Walid 25/11/07
  268.   Volksdeutch Gideon demands return of property stolen from Böhmen` 21:54  |  Absolute Sweden 25/11/07
  269.   Most Ghastly Impostor Pseudo-Intellectual turned Arab Hater #252 21:55  |  Genuine Tosefta 25/11/07
  270.   Fake ("Genuine") Tosefta Alert 21:58  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  271.   Deborah and Gideon Levy 21:58  |  ConnieM. 25/11/07
  272.   OK, plurality of opinions... 22:02  |  Jon 25/11/07
  273.   #260 lakshimi 22:02  |  duncan 25/11/07
  274.   # 69 / # 250 ww. (vladimirs brother...???:) 22:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 25/11/07
  275.   Despite late reckoning of Occupation...Israel`s security is no 22:14  |  Smadar 25/11/07
  276.   Klaudia #110 "...shaved corned beef and swiss cheese"...??? 22:23  |  Smadar 25/11/07
  277.   to GABE1 #105 - your thinking is faulty 22:24  |  zeev 25/11/07
  278.   #165 Duncan 22:25  |  mary 25/11/07
  279.   Grossman addressed his answer to the people not the leaders 22:27  |  sh 25/11/07
  280.   #253 duncan does not read too well 22:41  |  Labhras 25/11/07
  281.   flowery language 22:41  |  ron 25/11/07
  282.   Justice is key to peace 22:46  |  Atef Rushdi 25/11/07
  283.   Justice is Key to peace 22:48  |  Atef Rushdi 25/11/07
  284.   Space Cadet 22:52  |  Ron 25/11/07
  285.   dino wrote:However, a smart people would use those gains 22:58  |  dov epstein 25/11/07
  286.   Amen. There is a Judgment to come 23:00  |  Ivar 25/11/07
  287.   to Fred #146 23:01  |  zeev 25/11/07
  288.   The Gospel according to St Gedeon 23:07  |  M.S 25/11/07
  289.   The Gospel according to St Gedeon 23:16  |  M.S 25/11/07
  290.   What does Israel gain by giving land? 23:21  |  Alex Frank 25/11/07
  291.   The PLO Charter (Duncan #224; re Tess) 23:23  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  292.   # 269Genuine Tosefta.Impostor Pseudo-Intllectual.Arab Hater?? 23:23  |  JOSH 25/11/07
  293.   # 3 "their own Ishmailite sibling" Strong willed these brothers, 23:26  |  Virginia 25/11/07
  294.   Hit send by accident. Funny thing is... 23:29  |  Virginia 25/11/07
  295.   Mark B 23:33  |  Gabe1 25/11/07
  296.   186Tess, agree, but he who does not learn from History... 23:34  |  Rob 25/11/07
  297.   The 1967 war vs. the 1973 war (Walid #267) 23:36  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  298.   # 246 Tosefta - intellectual honesty 23:36  |  17 25/11/07
  299.   Demands of a Thief 23:38  |  Sharonelle 25/11/07
  300.   I salute the humanity of Gideon Levy 23:39  |  Nada 25/11/07
  301.   # 252 Tosefta - " I am a Zionist myself" - Hi, fellow Zionist! 23:40  |  17 25/11/07
  302.   # 279 Smadar..re:Klaudia...WHATEVER SHE DOES OR SAYS I`M WITH HER 23:41  |  Kathy 25/11/07
  303.   Walid # 231 That`s Sq. Km. And Not Sq. Mi. 23:46  |  Jeff Northridge 25/11/07
  304.   How to explain Israeli statistics for the conference: Leadership 23:46  |  Tosefta (for Sh #279 25/11/07
  305.   # 251 Deborah (SIGH)...YAWN.... 23:47  |  Fed-Up 25/11/07
  306.   Tosefta 23:54  |  Tess 25/11/07
  307.   # 262 ConnieM re;Tess ....IS SHE A PALE` THEN?? 23:56  |  Fed-Up 25/11/07
  308.   Reality check may help being taken more seriously (Duncan #253) 23:56  |  Tosefta 25/11/07
  309.   Zeev #277 23:59  |  Gabe1 25/11/07
  310.   # 301 *17* Tosefta Saying to Tess:I am a Zionist too(WHATALIER) 23:59  |  Fed-Up 25/11/07
  311.   215Margaret He who throws rocks and rockets that kill babies... 00:02  |  Rob 26/11/07
  312.   KIlling of innocent Jews worse...ocuppier or liberator? 00:04  |  r 26/11/07
  313.   #1Gabe. The spoils of war. 00:09  |  Maureen Ann 26/11/07
  314.   #244, Tosefta and sins 00:09  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/11/07
  315.   # 210 Tzfonit..***Stop Your Breast Beating For Goodness Sake!! 00:10  |  Fed-Up 26/11/07
  316.   Smadar #275 00:11  |  Gabe1 26/11/07
  317.   # 286 Ivar "There is a Judgment to come" - Russians take Tallin 00:15  |  17 26/11/07
  318.   Kathy 00:15  |  Gabe1 26/11/07
  319.   #252, Tosefta and seeing 00:15  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/11/07
  320.   Walid # 231 Private Ownership 00:25  |  Jeff Northridge 26/11/07
  321.   Thanks, Hubal #221 00:27  |  Tosefta 26/11/07
  322.   Ines lebel 00:27  |  rich 26/11/07
  323.   Wisdom for the Birds and Cipora J. Kohn #314 00:33  |  Mars H. Mallow 26/11/07
  324.   The Dilemma 00:35  |  Ray 26/11/07
  325.   slight problem ..... 00:37  |  harold 26/11/07
  326.   Tess wants to live in the past but doesn`t 00:45  |  peter 26/11/07
  327.   # 10 Swiss.... 00:45  |  Lynn 26/11/07
  328.   #300 Nada...ANOTHER LYING WHINER+AN APT NAME TOO! 00:46  |  Fed-Up 26/11/07
  329.   Demands of a THief 00:48  |  chris dreher 26/11/07
  330.   ConnieM - it was supposed to make you laugh 00:49  |  Tess 26/11/07
  331.   # 318 Gabe1 *** THANKS BUDDY BOY... 00:50  |  Kathy 26/11/07
  332.   Duncun - Re Tosefta # 308 - "Go to Yeshivah first" 00:50  |  17 26/11/07
  333.   #310, explaining Tosefta 00:52  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 26/11/07
  334.   "GOODBYE CALIFORNIA"! 00:53  |  Stephen. 26/11/07
  335.   JOSH, it seems that you need to be fed with a baby spoon or worse 00:57  |  Genuine Tosefta 26/11/07
  336.   # 319 Cipora J.K *** What a Crawle*** 01:00  |  Kathy 26/11/07
  337.   Relation between Terror and Occupation 01:02  |  Tosefta 26/11/07
  338.   Tosefta and seeing - I think Tosefta is not that bad, 01:03  |  17 26/11/07
  339.   # 314 Cipora J.K ***Well Said***Thanks 01:03  |  Kathy 26/11/07
  340.   Tosefta post 211 from me to Margie 01:06  |  Labhras 26/11/07
  341.   # 312aplacethatknowsrightfromwrong.KIlling of innocent Jews worse 01:08  |  Fed-Up 26/11/07
  342.   Fed-up 01:14  |  Tess 26/11/07
  343.   # 307ConnieM...An Addendum..Did I Misunderstand You?? 01:16  |  Fed-Up 26/11/07
  344.   Twisted Logic and Dangerous Thinking 01:17  |  David Samson 26/11/07
  345.   Twisted Logic and Dangerous Thinking 01:18  |  David Samson 26/11/07
  346.   # 253 dunkan - Rosrow/Lagality 01:18  |  17 26/11/07
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