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A stupid demand
By Yoel Marcus
Tags: Jewish state 

Forty years ago, Yaakov Herzog (brother of Israel's sixth president, Chaim Herzog) was invited by the BBC to take part in a symposium. The subject: What Are Israel's Chances of Survival? Herzog, shocked by the choice of topic, declined to participate but said if they ever held a symposium on Britain's chances of survival, he would be glad to attend.

Who would believe that 32 years after Herzog's death, and 60 years after the establishment of the State of Israel, which is still here despite all those who sought its downfall, the leaders of this country are demanding to be recognized as a Jewish state? And by whom? By the Palestinians, who flatly turned down the Partition Plan approved by the United Nations on November 29, 1947, and have done everything they possibly can to remain stateless to this day.

After the Oslo Accords that Yasser Arafat fumbled, and after two intifadas that left a trail of bodies on both sides, they are still without a state of their own. It seemed as if Ariel Sharon's nod to the Palestinians in evacuating Gush Katif would convince them that Israel was sobering up from its dream of a Greater Israel, that it was open to a peace agreement, including concessions that would make it possible for the Palestinians to finally adopt the UN resolution giving them a state of their own.
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I won't repeat here all the preparations being made in advance of the Annapolis summit, the details of which appear daily in the media. We know that we are facing a weak leadership, but neither do they have a sense of Israel's leadership being all-powerful. The infighting between Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, and the doubts about the ability of the present government to move tens of thousands of settlers into the blocs set out in a future agreement, are not exactly projecting a message to the other side that its expectations can be met.

Olmert believes that both sides, no matter how weak, realize that the chances of reaching an agreement outweigh the obstacles. Let's say we don't make peace, says Olmert, and two years from now, Hamas becomes the ruling power in the West Bank. So what are people going to say? That we didn't see the danger? That we sat on the sidelines and did nothing to prevent it?

Olmert and Barak, who are more in sync than one would think, based on the media leaks and the flying insults, do not delude themselves that Israel will be sitting at the table with a strong Palestinian leadership. But they know that right now, that's all there is. The talks will be conducted the way porcupines make love: v-e-r-y carefully. Neither side wants to get President Bush hot under the collar. Neither side wants to be blamed for the failure of the summit, which is shaping up as a kind of multi-delegation, global conference orchestrated by the president of the United States.

And then we wake up one morning to the announcement by the Palestinian Authority's chief negotiator, Saeb Erekat, who says the PA is planning to recognize Israel's right to exist (well, thank you, Mr. Erekat), but "will not recognize Israel as a Jewish state." You read that statement over and over, and try not to explode. Especially at our stupidity at even making the demand that they recognize for us our Jewishness. Who are they? The Chief Rabbinate? The Council of Torah Sages?

Israel's Declaration of Independence reads: "By virtue of our natural and historic right, and on the strength of the resolution of the United Nations General Assembly, [we] hereby declare the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel." Eight hours after this declaration, two Egged buses were attacked, an attack snuffing out the lives of the first seven victims of the War of Independence.

The ever-present threat against the very fact of Israel's existence is what has caused, or at least encouraged, the expansion into the territories by tens of thousands of settlers. It is this threat that eggs on the Jewish extremists and has turned this country, which has longed so much to live in peace, into a country of occupiers.

We exist, and we are a Jewish state. The whole world has recognized us as a Jewish state. The Arab countries that attacked after Israel's Declaration of Independence did so because it was a Jewish state. We made peace with Egypt and Jordan in spite of being a Jewish state. If there is anyone who needs recognition, it's the Palestinians. Their leaders over the generations have goaded them into hating Jews and killing Jews, which has gone on without stopping, but left them without a state of their own.

This demand that they "recognize" us as a Jewish state, even if the cabinet votes in favor of it at the insistence of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, is like denying the legitimacy of our own national existence - as if we need them to reinforce the identity of the state.

How does such a smart country come up with such a stupid demand?
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  1.   If only Israels political establishment could be replaced.... 10:03  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  2.   A Jewish state...how controversial! 10:14  |  Arthur 16/11/07
  3.   Jewish state 10:33  |  joseph theeboom 16/11/07
  4.   This Rhetoric Gives Rise to More Provocations 10:44  |  Tzfonit 16/11/07
  5.   Legalities and morality are of no concern to Israel 10:55  |  Natallie Durson 16/11/07
  6.   Ignore World Opinion 10:58  |  Daniel Wein 16/11/07
  7.   #5 Natallie Durson 11:18  |  Axel 16/11/07
  8.   We have to Stop Begging for peace 11:20  |  Dr Eric 16/11/07
  9.   To#3 11:25  |  GPWS1 16/11/07
  10.   Is Saudi a Muslim state? 11:34  |  Ben Azai 16/11/07
  11.   Jews who want an agreement whatever the cost or risk 11:36  |  Sam 16/11/07
  12.   To Tzfonit 11:44  |  Dr Eric 16/11/07
  13.   #1 dino still yodelling from the alps 11:56  |  victor hardman 16/11/07
  14.   # 7 eric 11:59  |  Axel 16/11/07
  15.   # 10 "Is Saudi a Muslim state?" 12:04  |  Axel 16/11/07
  16.   to tzfonit 12:04  |  dr eric 16/11/07
  17.   So just get over it already and REJOICE :) 12:12  |  Virginia 16/11/07
  18.   Re Natalie #5 12:16  |  Esther 16/11/07
  19.   AM ISRAEL CHAI 12:21  |  Kooky Dennt 16/11/07
  20.   it is sad to make people to talk about existing 12:24  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 16/11/07
  21.   How long will Israel exist? 12:27  |  Jonathan S 16/11/07
  22.   Axel 12:36  |  Jeremy Woolf 16/11/07
  23.   Dr. Eric #12 12:37  |  Tzfonit 16/11/07
  24.   swiss dino loves people like himself 12:38  |  CK Tan 16/11/07
  25.   For centuries of diaspora ... 12:44  |  Axel 16/11/07
  26.   axel 14 12:51  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  27.   axel 15 12:55  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  28.   # 24 CK Tan, I`m afraid, as usual you missed the point.... 13:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  29.   Swiss, is it not a form of arrogance on your part to tell us, 13:16  |  Ruti 16/11/07
  30.   Is the US a Christian country? 13:17  |  Tarik 16/11/07
  31.   Axel - you are confused 13:18  |  CK Tan 16/11/07
  32.   Sounds quite useful re the Pal refugees 13:22  |  geoff 16/11/07
  33.   Marcus 13:38  |  j10 16/11/07
  34.   re axel 13:40  |  basic morality 16/11/07
  35.   Marcus Has it Right 14:01  |  Jane 16/11/07
  36.   BRAVO! Yoel Gets It Too. Why Aren`t There More Like Yoel? 14:07  |  Proud Pal Defender 16/11/07
  37.   BROUGHT UP IN THE (LEGALLY CHRISTIAN)UK 14:13  |  noblackorwhite 16/11/07
  38.   #10---Germany 14:14  |  alan 16/11/07
  39.   PA 14:35  |  Serge 16/11/07
  40.   The reason that invitations to Annapolis have not been sent yet! 14:35  |  redmike 16/11/07
  41.   Swiming with the fishes 14:44  |  NEIL GOLAN 16/11/07
  42.   BenAzai (#10) is right: Yoel Marcus is confusing 2 demands 15:01  |  zmogus 16/11/07
  43.   Why Saeb Won`t Recognize 15:04  |  Joe 16/11/07
  44.   Dr Eric Re #23 15:06  |  GABE1 16/11/07
  45.   # 22 Jeremy Woolf 15:12  |  Axel 16/11/07
  46.   marcus is right: 15:24  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  47.   # 26 scallywag 15:25  |  Axel 16/11/07
  48.   MARCUS IS RIGHT 15:30  |  Mitch 16/11/07
  49.   # 36 noblackorwhite 15:31  |  Axel 16/11/07
  50.   Too Bad Israeli is NOT a Democracy... 15:40  |  POP 16/11/07
  51.   # 27 scallywag 15:48  |  Germany 16/11/07
  52.   # 29 Ruti, no need to worry, it`s not because you are.... 15:54  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  53.   re basic morality 15:58  |  aaron 16/11/07
  54.   No Yoel Marcus, please be accurate 16:09  |  Omar 16/11/07
  55.   # 12 Dr Eric "The times they are changing".... 16:16  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  56.   Stupid obsession with recognition 16:17  |  Omar 16/11/07
  57.   by virtue...... on the strength of the un resolution..... 16:20  |  ravi 16/11/07
  58.   They really don`t get it, do they? 16:23  |  Murray 16/11/07
  59.   # 13 victor (paul) hardman (harris), I`m afraid you might be..... 16:25  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  60.   A JEWISH STATE-FROM RIVER TO RIVER,FOR 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL))) 16:33  |  VOICE of MOSHIACH))) 16/11/07
  61.   Omar - who kicked who out 16:35  |  Josh 16/11/07
  62.   Omar, if we are so "stupid" as you refer to us, and are so 16:38  |  Avihu 16/11/07
  63.   A State Of Jewish Theives, Armed Robbers, and Colonizers 16:40  |  Blame Herzl 16/11/07
  64.   Axel # 25 16:43  |  ChanahS 16/11/07
  65.   An Israeli Stall Tactic 16:46  |  POP 16/11/07
  66.   Which is the point? 16:52  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  67.   #52 - like your negotiators you are saying two opposing things 16:52  |  redmike 16/11/07
  68.   What does it mean to be a "Jewish State"? 16:52  |  Ibrahim 16/11/07
  69.   "Let`s say we don`t make peace" 16:54  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  70.   Palestinians are here and they are NEVER going away 16:54  |  Ever Ever 16/11/07
  71.   #50 - please understand the problem before posting 16:57  |  redmike 16/11/07
  72.   oh well ask the people of 17:16  |  cool 16/11/07
  73.   Omar 17:17  |  Danite 16/11/07
  74.   Tzfonit 17:19  |  Danite 16/11/07
  75.   To Ruti and others ideological affinity persons 17:24  |  Ricardo 16/11/07
  76.   1.Swiss (Dino): If Israels political establishment were replaced 17:24  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  77.   Marcus as usual just doesnt get it, AT ALL 17:25  |  pace306 16/11/07
  78.   No Yoel Marcus, please be accurate (2nd try) 17:26  |  Omar 16/11/07
  79.   5. Natallie Durson: Legalities and morality 17:28  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  80.   Omar- It`s not complicated 17:31  |  Sam 16/11/07
  81.   the demand 17:31  |  Shmuelshachor 16/11/07
  82.   30. Tarik: Is the US a Christian country? 17:32  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  83.   Avihu, read my previous post carefully 1 17:36  |  Omar 16/11/07
  84.   ANTISEMITES LISSEN: 17:38  |  Iskander 16/11/07
  85.   Don`t be so myopic and ignorant Mr. Marcus! 17:42  |  Dutch Dirk 16/11/07
  86.   How About...... 17:44  |  Mark 16/11/07
  87.   A Really Stupid Commentary ( Even By Marcus` Standards) 17:46  |  Tod Zuckerman 16/11/07
  88.   About the palestinian refugies 17:47  |  Roberto 16/11/07
  89.   Avihu (continued) 17:49  |  Omar 16/11/07
  90.   to #55 17:49  |  Shmuelshachor 16/11/07
  91.   Omar and the Tragedy of Recognition 17:55  |  Tzfonit 16/11/07
  92.   the dream 17:56  |  Shmuelshachor 16/11/07
  93.   We face a new kind of hatred. 18:00  |  Akram Zekaria 16/11/07
  94.   ever ever....of course,arabs are here and they are 18:05  |  maria 16/11/07
  95.   It`s funny, the right-wingers here who are supposed to be.... 18:12  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  96.   we exist,are jewish,avoid peace like the plague 18:15  |  abi 16/11/07
  97.   Omar, Israel was not in you "back yard" as you refer to it betwen 18:25  |  Avihu 16/11/07
  98.   tod zuckerman 18:34  |  saul a. readner 16/11/07
  99.   # 5 Nonsense for the sake of posting something, Fatmah... 18:36  |  Misha 16/11/07
  100.   Roberto, about the Jewish refugees 18:41  |  Bob 16/11/07
  101.   # 71 KUTW 18:45  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  102.   Tzfonit 18:53  |  Omar 16/11/07
  103.   Ibrahim you are a smart man you knw very well 19:02  |  David Israel 16/11/07
  104.   Another little English-blunder in my post to Ruti # 52..... 19:04  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  105.   Josh in... Hebron? Really? 19:10  |  Omar 16/11/07
  106.   Avihu oy vey 19:17  |  Omar 16/11/07
  107.   axel again - part 1 19:30  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  108.   axel again - part 2 19:30  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  109.   Conflict about non-Muslim state, not territories 19:40  |  Jonathan S 16/11/07
  110.   ravi 19:42  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  111.   Yoel Marcus, Israel can`t impose its Jewishness on others 19:42  |  Dutch 16/11/07
  112.   pop 19:46  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  113.   ever ever 19:48  |  scallywag 16/11/07
  114.   Omar, it was Erekat this time 19:48  |  Tzfonit 16/11/07
  115.   Post number 67 was intended for #56 and not #52 - oops 20:26  |  redmike 16/11/07
  116.   We don`t need recognition 20:45  |  peter 16/11/07
  117.   Childish demand if the stakes weren`t so high 20:45  |  Outsider 16/11/07
  118.   Danite, give me a break 20:49  |  Palestinian Prince 16/11/07
  119.   And vice versa 20:50  |  chick 16/11/07
  120.   Here to Stay 20:51  |  Yoav BenZakai 16/11/07
  121.   Jewish State 20:51  |  David Gershon 16/11/07
  122.   Thank God Olmert changes his mind frequently 20:57  |  Tosefta 16/11/07
  123.   Avihu #97, why didn`t we demand homeland? 21:00  |  Palestinian Prince 16/11/07
  124.   Omar vs. Avihu and Tzfonit 21:02  |  Dubi 16/11/07
  125.   To Natallie Durson # 5 - Arabs have become Palestiians now.... 21:03  |  Dagma 16/11/07
  126.   Tzfonit stares reality in the face and says no 21:09  |  peter 16/11/07
  127.   the significance of history , Roberto 1 21:11  |  J 16/11/07
  128.   Roberto 2 21:26  |  J 16/11/07
  129.   Ibrahim you are a smart man you know very well 21:29  |  David Israel 16/11/07
  130.   101Swiss (Dino) 21:54  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  131.   75.Ricardo 21:57  |  KUTW 16/11/07
  132.   To Dutch # 107 - An Unrealistic and Unbelievable Poster! 22:00  |  Dolly 16/11/07
  133.   JEWISH LAND FOREVER 22:01  |  BOB KING THE ZIONIST 16/11/07
  134.   Why is it so difficult to understand? 22:16  |  Gene 16/11/07
  135.   Dino - have you grasped that the PA wants a hudna and not peace ? 22:26  |  redmike 16/11/07
  136.   Marcus&Co should be dragged to court fooling Israelis that 22:35  |  Absolute Sweden 16/11/07
  137.   #110 - "That will happen only if we make Annapolis work." 22:36  |  redmike 16/11/07
  138.   Many Israelis are Jews, thats all 22:37  |  Fritz 16/11/07
  139.   # 120 redmike 22:48  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  140.   To BOB KING THE ZIONIST # 118 - Not really a Stupid Demand..... 22:51  |  Dagma 16/11/07
  141.   # 16 dr eric there are 500,000 jews living across the green line 22:54  |  Traude 16/11/07
  142.   Jewish State - Israel 22:54  |  Rafi 16/11/07
  143.   # 115 KUTW 22:57  |  Swiss (Dino) 16/11/07
  144.   PP 22:58  |  Angelique 16/11/07
  145.   moshiach please clarify 23:02  |  avraham ben yaakov 16/11/07
  146.   Israel is more likely to be around than England in 40 years 23:08  |  David 16/11/07
  147.   To Chanah S # 64 Arabs in Israel 23:08  |  Dudu 16/11/07
  148.   Dolly, Your typical apologist response won`t work anymore 23:08  |  Dutch 16/11/07
  149.   Fritz - with a name like that you are the last to talk 23:12  |  David Israel 16/11/07
  150.   #110 Tzfonit 23:16  |  Boycott 16/11/07
  151.   Ibrahim you are a smart man you know very well 23:20  |  David Israel 16/11/07
  152.   Israel A Jewish State? 23:21  |  Mr Demographer 16/11/07
  153.   Dubi the deluded 23:35  |  Omar 16/11/07
  154.   A message for all Jew haters 23:45  |  leo 16/11/07
  155.   Palestinians Prince I will give you a break 00:01  |  Danite 17/11/07
  156.   axel the majority of americans would say it is a christian nation 00:03  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  157.   axel why does europe reject turkey? 00:12  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  158.   # 129 Gene 00:18  |  Axel 17/11/07
  159.   BiNational State 00:26  |  Binyamin 17/11/07
  160.   HOW CAN ISRAEL THE JEWISH STATE BE DESTROYED ?? 00:28  |  Bill 17/11/07
  161.   Hello Ibrahim - Meaning of Jewish State 00:58  |  Jane 17/11/07
  162.   To POP 01:05  |  Raanan G 17/11/07
  163.   #148 secular in Orangeburg 01:29  |  peter 17/11/07
  164.   DIFFERENCES CAN BE BRIDGED 01:43  |  Mark of Lewiston 17/11/07
  165.   # 130 redmike (2nd try), I have checked the article.... 01:46  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  166.   137Swiss (Dino) 01:46  |  KUTW 17/11/07
  167.   Dou you know how many Islamic Republics exist? 02:03  |  Robert 17/11/07
  168.   Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t Olmert request from Lieberman 02:35  |  Smadar 17/11/07
  169.   A very reasonable demand by Israel 03:43  |  Jason 17/11/07
  170.   Axel #49 Britain Christian state 04:31  |  Dakkar 17/11/07
  171.   Murray - you dont get it 04:37  |  Dakkar 17/11/07
  172.   Israel, a Jewish state, without borders... 04:59  |  Maureen Ann 17/11/07
  173.   The Palestinians are behaving as psychiatric borderliners 06:07  |  Shoshana Thomasson 17/11/07
  174.   Stinks to high heaven 07:25  |  Denise 17/11/07
  175.   "..Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but ISRAEL.." 07:32  |  mary for jews 17/11/07
  176.   #138 Fritz, Good point! 07:33  |  Dutch 17/11/07
  177.   Shoshana , Israeli policies give rise to Palestinian leadership 07:56  |  Dutch 17/11/07
  178.   dutch/fritz 08:17  |  danny 17/11/07
  179.   Boycott #150 08:29  |  Tzfonit 17/11/07
  180.   #148 dutch(doris cardigan) 08:32  |  danny 17/11/07
  181.   Ibrahim-#68-What doest it mean to be a Jewish State 08:38  |  Daniel Leopold 17/11/07
  182.   Fritz-#138-how disingenous of you 08:46  |  Daniel Leopold 17/11/07
  183.   A very stupid (and suicidal) conference. 09:00  |  Chaim 17/11/07
  184.   Omar - I thought you were asked several questions, specific 09:06  |  Eliyahu Aharoni 17/11/07
  185.   Yes, Dutch 177. The Oslo accords were sooo suicidal for Israel 09:09  |  Daniel 17/11/07
  186.   Dino 09:26  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  187.   will israel ever recognise palestinian state? 09:31  |  freedom 17/11/07
  188.   Marcus and not so stupid demands 09:42  |  dana 17/11/07
  189.   Israel a Jewish state? 09:47  |  sid 17/11/07
  190.   Tzfonit #179 - recognition is THE ONLY CARD of victims 10:00  |  dana 17/11/07
  191.   The postings of the Israel-bashers show clearly that Israel is 10:00  |  Martha Hoelzermann 17/11/07
  192.   Tosefta #122 - Good point: recognize what KIND of jewish state? 10:14  |  dana 17/11/07
  193.   Omar Ramallah 10:36  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  194.   rightists:rather more infantile than evil 10:44  |  eriksson 17/11/07
  195.   #187 - hopefully not! It would only be used as a base for 11:49  |  redmike 17/11/07
  196.   axel the only reason europe rejects turkey is 11:56  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  197.   Dana waving the Occupation as usual 12:02  |  Tzfonit 17/11/07
  198.   dana 12:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 17/11/07
  199.   Note, it is not for them to determine the nature of our state and 12:04  |  Dr. Aviram Gidoni 17/11/07
  200.   WELL SAID ! Sometime we are our own worst enemy.. 12:15  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  201.   axel why does europe reject turkey as a member? 12:16  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  202.   Natural & historic claim,rather dubious,since the other side can 12:23  |  lakshmi 17/11/07
  203.   TRUE JEWS #192 12:33  |  ringing response 17/11/07
  204.   to #30 TARIK - Jews not an ethnic group - a religion 12:35  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  205.   #179 Tzfonit 12:39  |  Boycott 17/11/07
  206.   Unless they come out and clearly, without ifs, ands and buts 12:44  |  Dani 17/11/07
  207.   #192 Dana 12:49  |  Boycott 17/11/07
  208.   #204 B`Galil 12:57  |  Boycott 17/11/07
  209.   Cipora re Dana 13:04  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  210.   Tosefta # 122 - Why Israel is the State of the JEWISH People 13:07  |  Dagma 17/11/07
  211.   To Fritz and Dutch 13:16  |  Shoshana Thomasson 17/11/07
  212.   friends concerned about israel-bashing 13:18  |  israel-basher 17/11/07
  213.   Boycott 13:25  |  Tzfonit 17/11/07
  214.   to swiss (Dino) # 1 13:30  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  215.   Cipora #198, Tzfonit #197 - Sure, but 13:33  |  dana 17/11/07
  216.   More about ARAB LEAGUE ` S DEVIOUS POLICIES. 13:42  |  Dagma 17/11/07
  217.   To Axel No. 25 13:46  |  Shoshana Thomasson 17/11/07
  218.   Boycott #207 - Who is a (Real) Jew? 13:46  |  dana 17/11/07
  219.   # 186 Margie (2nd try), why on earth should I get an invitation.. 13:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  220.   Margie in Tel Aviv # 209 - In other words 13:51  |  dana 17/11/07
  221.   to Tosefta # 122 13:57  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  222.   to Dana in Sunnyvale and likeminded, #192 14:10  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  223.   Ringing Endorsement #203 Re who`s the (true) Jew 14:10  |  dana 17/11/07
  224.   to Dana in Sunnyvale and likeminded, # 218 14:17  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  225.   #61Josh to Omar. Recognizing Israel as a Jewish state. 14:26  |  Maureen Ann 17/11/07
  226.   Remarks from Ramallah 14:28  |  David B 17/11/07
  227.   # 214 Judah N. Wenkel 14:49  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  228.   #225 moann and the world at large is perfect but not israel 14:52  |  victor hardman 17/11/07
  229.   To dana # 218 Now `Palestinians` have become Jews..... 14:54  |  Dolly 17/11/07
  230.   #213 Tzfonit 14:57  |  Boycott 17/11/07
  231.   Is this the kind of state anyone should recognize? 15:05  |  Dutch 17/11/07
  232.   dutch and fritz 15:20  |  scallywag 17/11/07
  233.   to swiss (Dino) # 227 15:26  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  234.   dana " a bad name to any tribe they descend from" 15:28  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  235.   dana where the palestinians came from is less important then 15:30  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  236.   who can blame dana of arabia for living in sunnyvale? 15:32  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  237.   How can anyone expect the Palestinians to recognize this state? 15:32  |  Dutch 17/11/07
  238.   dana "doubt that the debate would be of a high level" 15:34  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  239.   dana"tosefta enlighten us" 15:37  |  dana of arabia 17/11/07
  240.   dana and "annapolis world series" 15:39  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  241.   dana "abused and abuser" 15:42  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  242.   Margie Margie Margie 15:45  |  Omar 17/11/07
  243.   dana "conflict is highly assymetric.can you accept that at least" 15:46  |  danaofarabia 17/11/07
  244.   nada has spoken:arabs are jews 15:47  |  peter 17/11/07
  245.   To Maureen Ann # 225 - Palestinian people. 15:53  |  Dagma 17/11/07
  246.   Astonishing lack of knowledge 16:02  |  The Equalizer 17/11/07
  247.   to #208 Boycott - Au Contraire 16:04  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  248.   # 17 Virginia So just get over it already and REJOICE :) 16:12  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  249.   #231another page from the cadigan book of hysterical non facts 16:16  |  victor hardman 17/11/07
  250.   #237 Dutch - The Tragedy of Dutch is that he thinks only.... 16:18  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  251.   #185 Daniel, I believe you have it all wrong ... 16:20  |  Dutch 17/11/07
  252.   # 95 Swiss(Dino)It`s funny, the right-wingers here who are 16:33  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  253.   Olmert: Get back; I am going to jump off the roof 16:35  |  Tosefta 17/11/07
  254.   TO Omar # 56 - What `national tragedy` happened 16:40  |  Sandy 17/11/07
  255.   of course we exist&are a jewish state 16:44  |  nevertheless 17/11/07
  256.   # 223 Judah N. Wenkel 16:45  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  257.   # 224 Judah N.Wenkel...Sunnyvale dana.. 16:50  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  258.   Dana`s Reductio ad Absurdum 16:51  |  Tosefta 17/11/07
  259.   Recognition Not Important Security Is 16:53  |  Jane 17/11/07
  260.   Dana 16:54  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  261.   So Omar 16:58  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  262.   #210 Dagma puts the cart in front of the horses 17:06  |  Tosefta 17/11/07
  263.   Yoel Marcus is ready to surrender 17:09  |  Frank 17/11/07
  264.   Hey Dana,Cipora is repeating the obvious & Margie of Ta 17:12  |  lakshmi 17/11/07
  265.   # 252 Fed-Up, as I stated here several times.... 17:13  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  266.   Dagma on Palestinian people 17:24  |  Omar 17/11/07
  267.   David B from NJ (i.e. an outsider) 17:28  |  Omar 17/11/07
  268.   #247 B`Galil 17:30  |  Boycott 17/11/07
  269.   Esther # 18 -response to Natalie Durson 17:31  |  Avrum 17/11/07
  270.   dana and what if pals = jews? 17:44  |  scallywag 17/11/07
  271.   # 186 Margie, by the way, wouldn`t it be about time..... 17:44  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  272.   is marcus clever or just smart 17:48  |  maxim 17/11/07
  273.   # 157 honigstein 17:51  |  Axel 17/11/07
  274.   dino,are you that naive 18:02  |  uzi 17/11/07
  275.   to Omar # 242 18:14  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  276.   Margie snap out of it 18:14  |  Omar 17/11/07
  277.   WRONG BOYCOTT #268 - Why should that cause Anti-Semitism? 18:18  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  278.   Sandy 18:18  |  Omar 17/11/07
  279.   # 215 dana in sunnyvale`s comfort... 18:20  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  280.   to #246 The Equalizer - Not exactly True. 18:22  |  B`Galil 17/11/07
  281.   axel "a division between and church state" 18:25  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  282.   To ringing response # 203 - TRUE JEWS??? 18:29  |  Dolly 17/11/07
  283.   Origin of the Palestinians (Dana #223) 18:30  |  Tosefta 17/11/07
  284.   and axel european public is overwhelmingly against 18:33  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  285.   # 265 Swiss (Dino) I did not understand your wording.. 18:33  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  286.   to swiss (Dino) # 256 18:34  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  287.   axel "europe does not reject" 18:34  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  288.   Lackwit 18:35  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  289.   Dino are you talking about Tosefta? 18:38  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  290.   irrelevant history for rightist ponder 18:41  |  mauser98 17/11/07
  291.   # 274 uzi 18:47  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  292.   Stupid demand indeed 18:48  |  Lior 17/11/07
  293.   axel re honigstein 18:52  |  scallywag 17/11/07
  294.   To Haaretz staff & moderators/censors. 18:58  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  295.   `How does such a smart country come up with such a stupid demand? 19:17  |  Colin Wright 17/11/07
  296.   Pure and unadulterated hate..... 19:18  |  Jasmine Murphy 17/11/07
  297.   Keeping up the mantra 19:22  |  Colin Wright 17/11/07
  298.   The Equalizer 19:25  |  Omar 17/11/07
  299.   jane and the main issue of security 19:44  |  lord greystoke 17/11/07
  300.   OMAR #266, it does not take a rocket scientist 19:54  |  Mike McKenna 17/11/07
  301.   A stupid demand to a stupid foe 20:20  |  Laurent Szyster 17/11/07
  302.   Jewish state? 20:21  |  Avi Yerushalmi 17/11/07
  303.   Why a Jewish State ? 20:47  |  Akram Zekaria 17/11/07
  304.   Sandy (2nd attempt) 20:50  |  Omar 17/11/07
  305.   Margie snap out of it (2nd try) 20:50  |  Omar 17/11/07
  306.   A Stupid Demand 20:55  |  Hyman Peskin 17/11/07
  307.   axel when turkey applied to join the eu they were told to wait 21:06  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  308.   # 281 No, no, Margie, I am not talking about Tosefta..... 21:07  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  309.   axel no hope for non christian turkey 21:13  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  310.   # 285 scallywag 21:14  |  Axel 17/11/07
  311.   Youre all too (consistently) serious... 21:16  |  The Northern Wind 17/11/07
  312.   # 278 Judah N. Wenkel 21:19  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  313.   # 278 honigstein 21:19  |  Axel 17/11/07
  314.   Dino 21:20  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  315.   axel why did the left wing joschka fisher 21:30  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  316.   Mike McKenna is a new kind of judge 21:31  |  Israeli 17/11/07
  317.   the swiss donkey talks of credibility 21:32  |  peter 17/11/07
  318.   and axel giscard d`estaing 21:33  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  319.   tosefta on olmert 21:53  |  benzion 17/11/07
  320.   colin wright,right&smart u.r. 21:53  |  intuitive 17/11/07
  321.   axel what they write in their constitution is immaterial 21:57  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  322.   29l# Laurent Szyster. No it is Not.. 21:57  |  Akram Zekaria 17/11/07
  323.   #275 Judan N Wenkel 21:58  |  Labhras 17/11/07
  324.   axel "you an american jew" 21:59  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  325.   axel "the eu is not meant as a christian club" 22:03  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  326.   axel and the small matter of the vatican 22:05  |  honigstein 17/11/07
  327.   # 314 Margie, Israel has won tonight, you really wanna lose...??? 22:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  328.   Reductio da Absurdum is the one who wrote 258# 22:06  |  Akram Zekaria 17/11/07
  329.   # 99 Misha..JUST SOW YOUR POST--A DAY LATE,BUT WORTHY. 22:07  |  Fed-Up 17/11/07
  330.   to Omar # 298 22:10  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  331.   # 317 peter, the right-wing "Lucky Luke" from Montreal.... 22:11  |  Swiss (Dino) 17/11/07
  332.   Mike McKenna 22:11  |  ChanahS 17/11/07
  333.   Israeli #316 calm down dude PART 1 22:21  |  Palestinian Prince 17/11/07
  334.   Israeli #316 calm down dude PART 2 22:26  |  Palestinian Prince 17/11/07
  335.   Israeli #316 calm down dude PART 3 22:28  |  Palestinian Prince 17/11/07
  336.   "Stupid" like a FOX, Mr. Marcus! 22:29  |  Yaakov K. 17/11/07
  337.   to swiss (Dino) # 312 22:40  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  338.   swiss (dino) - please tell me 22:44  |  scallywag 17/11/07
  339.   Omar 22:51  |  Margie in Tel Aviv 17/11/07
  340.   again to axel 22:57  |  scallywag 17/11/07
  341.   Judah Wenkel 22:57  |  Omar 17/11/07
  342.   Pal Price reagding Herzl 22:57  |  Yael 17/11/07
  343.   A Jewish state 22:58  |  Avi Yerushalmi 17/11/07
  344.   to Labhras # 323 22:59  |  Judah N. Wenkel 17/11/07
  345.   PP you live in Chicago 22:59  |  Israeli 17/11/07
  346.   dutch and video-clips, part 1