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Prime Minister Ehud Olmert presiding over the weekly cabinet meeting at his Jerusalem office on Tuesday. (AP)
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Report: Interim findings of war won't deal with personal failures
By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent
 

The interim report of the Winograd Commission, which is investigating the second Lebanon war, will not include conclusions on personal failures, Channel 2 reported Thursday.

According to Channel 2, the interim report, which will be released on March 27, will deal not with the conduct of the war, but with events leading up to the conflict and the decision to go to war.

The final report, which will be released in July, will harshly criticize the management of the war and will include personal criticisms of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Amir Peretz, former Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Ehud Olmert and former GOC Northern Command Udi Adam. The report is also expected to criticize the conduct of the Home Front Command.
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Olmert has told the Winograd Commission that his decision to respond to the abduction of soldiers with a broad military operation was made as early as March 2006, four months before last summer's Lebanon war broke out.

The commission has transferred, at the request of one of the witnesses, the text of his testimony. Aside from that exception, the investigative materials will not be given to any outside sources.

Olmert testified before the Winograd Commission on February 1, and its questions focused on three basic issues: the circumstances surrounding Amir Peretz's appointment as defense minister; how and why the decision was made to go to war on July 12, several hours after reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev were abducted by Hezbollah guerrillas on the northern border; and why Olmert decided to carry out a large-scale ground operation in Lebanon, 48 hours before the cease-fire, in which 33 soldiers were killed.

In his testimony, Olmert claimed he had held more meetings on the situation in Lebanon than any of his recent predecessors. The first meeting was held on January 8, 2006, four days after Olmert was called to take the place of Ariel Sharon, who had fallen into a coma.

Further meetings were held in March, April, May and July, after Corporal Gilad Shalit was abducted to the Gaza Strip.

The day before he appeared before the commission, Major General Gadi Shamni, Olmert's military secretary, presented its members with the schedule of the meetings on Lebanon.

The scenario presented in the various assessments reflected prior incidents: the abduction of soldiers from Israeli territory accompanied by heavy cross-border shelling. Then-chief of staff Dan Halutz said such an incident would have far-reaching consequences for Israel's deterrent capability. Halutz said Israel could not show restraint in the face of a kidnapping in the north, and it had to respond. Olmert testified that he accepted this stance.

In a meeting in March, Olmert asked the army commanders whether operational plans existed for such a possibility, and they said yes. He asked to see the plans, and they asked why. He responded that he did not want to make a snap decision in the case of an abduction, and preferred to decide at that moment. Presented with the options, he selected a moderate plan that included air attacks accompanied by a limited ground operation. At the time, Shaul Mofaz was defense minister.

The Winograd Commission asked Olmert what he thought his predecessor would have done. Olmert said that following Hezbollah's failed November 2005 attempt to abduct Israel Defense Forces troops in the border village of Ghajar, Sharon ordered the army to prepare a "list of targets" for a military response in Lebanon. The list included an air attack on the long-range Fajr and Zilzal rockets, which were destroyed in an air raid the first night of the war. Sharon said at the time that the status quo, of ongoing Hezbollah raids, could not continue. Olmert told the commission that he behaved as Sharon would have.


Olmert stated that he had decided in earlier meetings that Israel's goal in an operation would be the implementation of Security Council Resolution 1559, which calls for the deployment of the Lebanese army along the Israeli border and the disarmament of Hezbollah.

In May 2006, Olmert was informed by then-National Security Council head Giora Eiland and former prime minister Ehud Barak that the Lebanese government would agree to implement Resolution 1559 in return for an Israeli withdrawal from Shaba Farms. Olmert thought that it was best to implement the decision through diplomacy, and raised the issue with U.S. President George W. Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and French President Jacques Chirac.

During deliberations last June, following Shalit's abduction, Olmert told the committee he was certain there would be a similar attempt to kidnap soldiers on the Lebanese border. He ordered the IDF to prevent this.

Regarding the decision to broaden the ground operation toward the end of the war, Olmert said he had wanted to influence UN Security Council deliberations so that the draft resolution 1701, calling for a cease-fire, would be amended in Israel's favor.

Olmert said that the morning he made the move, he had received a draft reflecting the French-Lebanese stance, which did not suit Israel. The expanded operation was aimed at pressuring the Security Council members, he said.

Commission member Ruth Gavison interrupted Olmert at that point, saying that while she had no doubt that the final operation was very successful, she wanted to know why it had not been carried out earlier.

Olmert said that had earlier Israeli ground offensives been successful, Israel would not have been in such a situation at the end of the war.

Based on Gavison's statement, Olmert concluded his testimony feeling he had convinced the commission that he made the correct decision in calling for the final ground operation.

He told his aides that he emerged from the deposition exhausted but felt the committee had accepted his view.

The Winograd Commission also asked Olmert whether appointing Peretz as defense minister was the right thing to do. He responded that the defense portfolio had been given to Labor under coalition talks, and the party chose its ministers.

Olmert's chief of staff, Yoram Turbowicz, gave the Winograd Commission the diplomatic exchanges that occurred during the war.

He said that as early as the first day of the war, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice spoke with Olmert and asked that Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora not be undermined. Israel understood this to mean that Lebanese infrastructure should not be destroyed, even though the IDF had originally planned otherwise.

Dov Weissglas, adviser to prime minister Ariel Sharon, explained Sharon's containment policy along the border with Lebanon, which was intended to prevent a two-front confrontation with the Palestinians and Hezbollah.
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  1.   If there were plans for such incidents then IDF has a larger cris 04:10  |  Tom 08/03/07
  2.   preplanned war! 04:48  |  John 08/03/07
  3.   Shades of "Dr. Strangelove" 04:51  |  Dr. L. Brnd 08/03/07
  4.   Then why weren`t supplies ready? 05:16  |  Zvi 08/03/07
  5.   Well it appears that Seymour Hersh`s 05:23  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  6.   IDF DID DESTROY LEB`S INFRASTRUCTURE! 05:33  |  Paul 08/03/07
  7.   Jeez, The IDF Planners Were Horrible 05:39  |  Tod Zuckerman 08/03/07
  8.   #2 John - you must learn how to read & understand 05:52  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/07
  9.   #2-2 John - just to clarify matters 06:04  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/07
  10.   Complete Lies from Olmert Gang 06:13  |  Ab 08/03/07
  11.   JOHN. Why did Hisbala peacelovers give the "pretext" to RESPOND 06:15  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  12.   Lebanese sovereignty, pah. 06:17  |  Ibn Filastin 08/03/07
  13.   33 Soldiers killed 06:22  |  Efox 08/03/07
  14.   It all adds up 06:22  |  Holden 08/03/07
  15.   Earlier ground offensives. 06:24  |  sandra chitayat 08/03/07
  16.   6. opinion 06:24  |  JPB 08/03/07
  17.   #2 John, pull up Seymour Hersh`s 06:30  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  18.   Proves that the critics were right 06:31  |  Marilyn 08/03/07
  19.   I agree with you John(2#) 06:45  |  F. 08/03/07
  20.   #8 *BEN JABO, war, and self-defence 07:03  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  21.   The Stupidist Half Lie I`ve heard in my Life! 07:03  |  An Arab Neighbor 08/03/07
  22.   To #8,9 Planned War 07:05  |  Wiseman 08/03/07
  23.   #3 Dr. L. Brnd is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! There should be no secret... 07:13  |  Vittorio 08/03/07
  24.   Be prepared 07:33  |  Klaas 08/03/07
  25.   Preferred Israeli strategy 07:41  |  whodey 08/03/07
  26.   BALLISTIC.It was not the Shalit kidnapping that got a RESPONSE 07:42  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  27.   #5 ballistic THE GAMES THEY PLAY! 07:50  |  Maureen Ann 08/03/07
  28.   Which contingency plan to choose....... 07:50  |  Esther 08/03/07
  29.   most countries have contingency plans 08:00  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/03/07
  30.   F.You call killing Israeli soldiers and rocketing Israelis "move" 08:01  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  31.   i was right again 08:08  |  VIPER 08/03/07
  32.   JOHNBOY.Rocketing Israeli civillians,killing soldiers IS war! 08:10  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  33.   Whats the big deal, you all are just looking for an excuse 08:12  |  Adam 08/03/07
  34.   This was more like a flyswatter trying to kill a fly then war 08:14  |  ADAM 08/03/07
  35.   #26 PETER SM - the rockets were not launched at civilians 08:19  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  36.   #20 Johnboy,do you know what the meaning of SELF-DEFENSE is? 08:20  |  Hastaroth 08/03/07
  37.   Sad truth - Syria and Iran plans are next 08:26  |  Pablo B 08/03/07
  38.   To Ben JABO 08:29  |  wally 08/03/07
  39.   to dr.????? L Brnd 08:41  |  pele 08/03/07
  40.   Israel should declare clearly right now : 08:44  |  Vittorio 08/03/07
  41.   So Tell Me... 09:09  |  Yosemite 08/03/07
  42.   #36 Hastaroth - To respond or not to respond is NOT the question 09:12  |  Pablo B 08/03/07
  43.   Months in advance 09:15  |  sh 08/03/07
  44.   PRE-PLANNING 09:15  |  LARRY 08/03/07
  45.   JOHNBOY Returning fire "perfectly legit". 09:15  |  PETERSM 08/03/07
  46.   #36 Hastaroth If you are going to contextualize.... 09:18  |  Maury 08/03/07
  47.   PABLO.B Wake up killing Israelis is no pretext. 09:20  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  48.   I have a few questions for everyone 09:26  |  the truth 08/03/07
  49.   Hastarot. 09:29  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  50.   CPK on contingency plans 09:31  |  sh 08/03/07
  51.   PLAN TO IMPROVE HOME FRONT CONDITIONS WERE MADE IN ADVANCE ? 09:38  |  dovdevan 08/03/07
  52.   re: Pablo B, Lebanon DID start the war 09:47  |  Efox 08/03/07
  53.   JOHNBOY#35 09:57  |  alonitzafoni 08/03/07
  54.   Paul 10:00  |  Walid 08/03/07
  55.   Johnboy #8,35 - attacks on Israel across Blue Line = act of war 10:03  |  Dr. L. Brnd 08/03/07
  56.   #36 Hastaroth wants to know if I understand "self-defense" 10:09  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  57.   the headline does not reflect the column 10:11  |  flashman 08/03/07
  58.   Cipora, of course! But... 10:18  |  S 08/03/07
  59.   #32 PETER SM - who said Hezbollah should get a free kick? 10:22  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  60.   If an Australian soldier was kidnapped 10:23  |  Marilyn 08/03/07
  61.   Sandra Chitayat 10:27  |  Walid 08/03/07
  62.   Peter SM 10:31  |  Walid 08/03/07
  63.   #PeterSM Instead of YOUR spin, how about... 10:34  |  Maureen Ann 08/03/07
  64.   #43 PETER SM Returning fire "perfectly legit". 10:34  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  65.   relax, johnboy 10:41  |  Theodor 08/03/07
  66.   seymour hirsh is boring 10:44  |  Theodor 08/03/07
  67.   Disengagement=HAMAS=HIZBALA=KATUSAS= death&destruction 10:45  |  sam 08/03/07
  68.   Olmert - what a man! 10:46  |  Clickfool 08/03/07
  69.   CPK should read CJK, sorry Cipora! 10:46  |  sh 08/03/07
  70.   plans BUT NO LOGISTICS !! INEPT FOLLOW THROUGH 10:46  |  paul harris 08/03/07
  71.   israel`s plans of destruction 10:48  |  mehmet 08/03/07
  72.   John # 2 - nice spin 10:49  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  73.   Ballistic # 5 - You`re losing it 10:51  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  74.   JOHNBOY.killing Israelis IS war.Hisbala started the WAR 10:55  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  75.   Johnboy # 35 10:56  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  76.   The UK planned for a counter attack against USSR! 11:03  |  Zardos 08/03/07
  77.   WALID Once and for all Hesbala INITIATED this war. 11:07  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  78.   Time to send Olmert and the generals to the Hague 11:10  |  Michael 08/03/07
  79.   MAUREEN ANN.Right on cause and effect.Israel did occupyS.Lebanon 11:17  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  80.   To all those who hate Israel 11:17  |  Jasmine Murphy 08/03/07
  81.   today we learn the israeli air force 11:19  |  flashman 08/03/07
  82.   JOHNBOY.Where are the dead Hesbala?.Ask the UN they said that 11:24  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  83.   operational constraints of the reserves in the idf 11:26  |  flashman 08/03/07
  84.   MARYLIN You sure it was "just a kidnapping" from Lebanon 11:30  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  85.   clickfool spurns his irish ancestry 11:36  |  harzion 08/03/07
  86.   Syemour Hersh is our leader 11:40  |  christian Levanon 08/03/07
  87.   Peter SM 11:52  |  Walid 08/03/07
  88.   ClickFOOL – what a man! 11:58  |  Jonathan S 08/03/07
  89.   Jasmine Murphy. 11:59  |  Walid 08/03/07
  90.   To all Israel bashers 12:05  |  Yaron 08/03/07
  91.   Who cares? 12:07  |  Michael 08/03/07
  92.   CHANA S 12:09  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  93.   Peter SM 12:17  |  Walid 08/03/07
  94.   HEZBOLLAH WAS RIGHT 12:22  |  indrajaya 08/03/07
  95.   MICHAEL You missed the bombing of Haifa and other Israeli cities 12:26  |  PETER SM 08/03/07
  96.   WALID.Nasralla had been accumulating missiles for a long time. 12:42  |  Peter S.M. 08/03/07
  97.   #8 Every army makes contingency plans 12:42  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/07
  98.   Have pity on him! 12:43  |  Jonathan S 08/03/07
  99.   #18 Marilyn - It`s a pity you don`t 12:45  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/07
  100.   Hindsight Hubris 13:17  |  Yonatan Netser 08/03/07
  101.   Double headlines... 13:27  |  Itsik 08/03/07
  102.   That Haaretz photo of Olmert 13:27  |  Clickfool 08/03/07
  103.   Home front and reservist soldiers 13:38  |  Krystal 08/03/07
  104.   so the hizbollah were justified!! 13:54  |  nardo 08/03/07
  105.   95 PETER SM IDF just as bad as Hezbollah 14:10  |  Michael 08/03/07
  106.   #49 Peter SM,I would rather say.......... 14:19  |  Hastaroth 08/03/07
  107.   Crossing Borders with UAV`s and Planes 14:20  |  Guy From NYC 08/03/07
  108.   Yaron what are you talking about? 14:33  |  Guy From NYC 08/03/07
  109.   A Half-Baked Plan 14:37  |  Tzfonit 08/03/07
  110.   #73 You are right and that is the point 14:49  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  111.   What bothers me 14:50  |  shulamit 08/03/07
  112.   60#marilyn THATS WHY YOU ARE PUSHOVERS!!! 14:50  |  alonitzafoni 08/03/07
  113.   The Arab Neighbour 14:51  |  Your Israeli Neighbo 08/03/07
  114.   #107 WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AZIONIST AND AN ISRAELI 14:56  |  paul harris 08/03/07
  115.   THEY GOT A PEACE TREATY GUY FROM NYC#108 14:57  |  alonitzafoni 08/03/07
  116.   The Truthful Promise (El Waed Al Sadek) 15:02  |  Lebanese 08/03/07
  117.   Peter SM 15:06  |  Walid 08/03/07
  118.   Indrajaya 15:06  |  Numee 08/03/07
  119.   Israel will be surprised 15:08  |  Jonathan S 08/03/07
  120.   63 - Hezbollah is on US terrorist list and occupying Lebanon 15:08  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  121.   Second attempt to answer Jonathan S # 88 15:09  |  Clickfool 08/03/07
  122.   35 - Hezbollah Attacked Israel 15:17  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  123.   I don`t see any wrong doing by the PM 15:24  |  Tamir Gaza 08/03/07
  124.   Hezbollah is not occupying Lebanon 15:31  |  Marilyn 08/03/07
  125.   Lebanese people hates Nasrallah so much 15:32  |  Tamir Gaza 08/03/07
  126.   Yonatan Nester 15:34  |  Walid 08/03/07
  127.   THAT PATHETIC MILITARY RESPONSE WAS PLANNED??!! 15:35  |  Psalm 08/03/07
  128.   The best part in the last war is...... 15:43  |  Tamir Gaza 08/03/07
  129.   marilyn do people still say "fair dinkum" 15:48  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  130.   The End of Agendas: Acts and Reactions 15:48  |  Ronnie Wolman 08/03/07
  131.   ballistic is the most uninteresting poster 15:52  |  ephraim 08/03/07
  132.   Tzfonit 15:53  |  Walid 08/03/07
  133.   Indrajaya # 94 16:01  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  134.   Ballistic 16:02  |  Walid 08/03/07
  135.   # 104 Nardo can`t you read? 16:05  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  136.   # 108 Guy 16:07  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  137.   Shulamit 16:08  |  Walid 08/03/07
  138.   # 110 Ballistic 16:09  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  139.   The war or not? 16:10  |  Lena 08/03/07
  140.   Ronnie Wolman 16:16  |  krystal 08/03/07
  141.   Your Israeli Neighbour 16:22  |  Walid 08/03/07
  142.   #131 Truth!!! 16:24  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  143.   Walid #132 I certainly nope not 16:24  |  Tzfonit 08/03/07
  144.   #134 Walid 16:26  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  145.   Soldiers are PAWNS 16:26  |  Ah 08/03/07
  146.   PM says ... 16:32  |  Jaysonrex 08/03/07
  147.   course we say fair dinkum, I just said it 16:34  |  Marilyn 08/03/07
  148.   Bruriah Sarah 16:45  |  Walid 08/03/07
  149.   # 6 Paul 16:53  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  150.   Black Hand entirely responsible for WW1 16:54  |  Murray 08/03/07
  151.   Contingency plans 16:57  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  152.   Silly excuses by Olmert 17:04  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  153.   Retarded Israel Bashers - Haaretz`s Base 17:09  |  Tod Zuckerman 08/03/07
  154.   Walid how about explaining Nasrallahs agenda as eloquently 17:12  |  Ronnie Wolman 08/03/07
  155.   131ephraim On ballistic. 17:14  |  BMD 08/03/07
  156.   Planning by Olmert 17:19  |  Josh 08/03/07
  157.   #124 Marilyn - here we go again 17:21  |  * BEN JABO 08/03/07
  158.   Krystal: I am for the Reactionary style 17:27  |  Ronnie Wolman 08/03/07
  159.   ballistic 17:28  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  160.   Walid # 126 OK, That`s Reasonable 17:28  |  Jeff Northridge 08/03/07
  161.   Tzfoni - 4000 rockets? Some newspapers said 30,000 rockets 17:39  |  krystal 08/03/07
  162.   Tamir Gaza 17:42  |  Walid 08/03/07
  163.   # 29 Cipora J.K. CONTINGENCY PLAN BE DAMNED!! 17:46  |  Kath` 08/03/07
  164.   re: Second attempt to answer Jonathan S # 88 17:49  |  Bruno C. 08/03/07
  165.   marylin 143 17:55  |  normal person 08/03/07
  166.   Tzfonit #109 17:56  |  Gabe1 08/03/07
  167.   Olmert`s forgotten first war 18:01  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  168.   Johnboy - what Israel achieved in war. 18:02  |  Ben Gurion 08/03/07
  169.   #111 BINGO!!! 18:02  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  170.   Tzfonit #109 18:05  |  Gabe1 08/03/07
  171.   #114 Wrong question Paul, you sneak! 18:05  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  172.   Preplaned ? Should be booked for War Crimes 18:07  |  vik 08/03/07
  173.   #120 and you should be on the terror list 18:07  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  174.   #122 Read the article!!! Shalit captured 6/25/06. 18:09  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  175.   Maybe Israel won the war after all 18:12  |  Stephen Connor 08/03/07
  176.   Walid # 137 18:14  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  177.   #135 Yeah, I guess everybody gets it wrong 18:14  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  178.   The Hizballah fire against military outposts (Johnboy #35) 18:16  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  179.   # 141 Ah 18:16  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  180.   #153 Lynn, have you read Seymour Hersh`s 18:18  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  181.   #150 to the Phantom BMD 18:21  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  182.   Ronnie Wolman 18:28  |  Walid 08/03/07
  183.   if not years before 18:28  |  Paul Freedman 08/03/07
  184.   response to # 3 Dr. L. Brnd 18:29  |  Kipperraes 08/03/07
  185.   # 142 ballistic 18:30  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  186.   Kath #163 18:33  |  Gabe1 08/03/07
  187.   #2: you are missing the point 18:33  |  Paul Freedman 08/03/07
  188.   marilyn and fair dinkum 18:33  |  yirmi 08/03/07
  189.   Johnboy as usual gets it wrong 18:35  |  Kipperraes 08/03/07
  190.   Walid #162 18:37  |  Gabe1 08/03/07
  191.   Ballistic 173 18:38  |  normal person 08/03/07
  192.   # 169 Ballistic 18:41  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  193.   tosefta believes the agreement with hizballah 18:41  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  194.   Marilyn The Racist 18:43  |  Alberto Cohen 08/03/07
  195.   the servile tosefta and the silly johnboy 18:44  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  196.   181My, my you are losing it ballistic. Really! 18:45  |  BMD 08/03/07
  197.   ballistic 171 18:45  |  normal person 08/03/07
  198.   invasion of lebanon = a war crime 18:46  |  roy bean 08/03/07
  199.   Is Everyone Stupid or What? Of Course There are Plans! 18:49  |  mike 08/03/07
  200.   Walid #182 18:49  |  Gabe1 08/03/07
  201.   to channas#135 naive 18:49  |  nardo 08/03/07
  202.   tosefta why would israel agree to keep an old agreement with 18:49  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  203.   tosefta the kidnapping was illegal 18:52  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  204.   Krystal 18:52  |  Tzfonit 08/03/07
  205.   tosefta "had israel followed the old rules of the game" 18:53  |  yirmi 08/03/07
  206.   "johnboy you are right" tosefta 18:55  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  207.   Stephen Connor 19:00  |  Walid 08/03/07
  208.   Walid # 134 Who Started It? 19:00  |  Jeff Northridge 08/03/07
  209.   tosefta complains israel killed samahadna 19:02  |  yirmiyahu 08/03/07
  210.   Walid: The Heart of the Matter 19:02  |  Ronnie Wolman 08/03/07
  211.   ballistic as a black woman 19:10  |  barry goldwater 08/03/07
  212.   Ballistic 19:10  |  Walid 08/03/07
  213.   # 56 Johnboy. re: Hastaroth. 19:17  |  Kath` 08/03/07
  214.   ChanahS 19:19  |  Walid 08/03/07
  215.   #48 US response to Mexican Army attacks on US soil 19:26  |  Pablo B 08/03/07
  216.   # 186 Gabe1. THE PREVIOUS WAR WILL NOT BE REPEATED... 19:33  |  Kath` 08/03/07
  217.   GabeI 19:36  |  Walid 08/03/07
  218.   Humor 19:39  |  Yellowbirdwoman 08/03/07
  219.   Olmert, Bush and Rice conspire to commit murder and destruction 19:44  |  El-Birawi 08/03/07
  220.   PREPLANNED RESPONSE...NOT PREPLANNED WAR 19:46  |  Jake 08/03/07
  221.   # 175 Stephen Connor. YES ISRAEL DID WIN AFTER ALL.. 19:46  |  Kath` 08/03/07
  222.   #212 Barry...read your own post..sheesh! 19:47  |  Rachel Corrie 08/03/07
  223.   Sandra, what `coalition in Iraq`? 19:49  |  Jake 08/03/07
  224.   Gabe1 19:50  |  Yellowbirdwoman 08/03/07
  225.   Kath` # 163 Olmert Chose the Wrong Option 19:53  |  Jeff Northridge 08/03/07
  226.   148 -Thanks Walid - for more accurate news on Lebanon see: 20:07  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  227.   #211 Well, Barry, okay, but what has that got to do with 20:09  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  228.   #196 I may be losing it, but you have already lost it 20:11  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  229.   222 - Jews are treated like Garbage in arab lands 20:14  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  230.   Flushman is of the lesser "ron" variety, I (Mark Lincoln) 20:15  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  231.   Flushman is of the lesser "ron" variety, II (Mark Lincoln) 20:16  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  232.   WALID 20:16  |  Stephen Connor 08/03/07
  233.   222 - Jews Assisting Israeli ethiopian Jews 20:17  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  234.   Jeff Northridge 20:18  |  Walid 08/03/07
  235.   Aluf Benn is the proof of Newton`s theory of gravity 20:19  |  Jake 08/03/07
  236.   222 - Chicago Black Jews live and thrive in Israel 20:20  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  237.   #!97 Normal person 20:21  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  238.   IN THE PAST PROPHETS WERE STONED?.?.. 20:21  |  H.H.M 08/03/07
  239.   Concept of "reaction" central to Israeli self delusion 20:21  |  Tim 08/03/07
  240.   #192 Seymour Hersh is one of your brethren 20:22  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  241.   Ronnie Wolman 20:26  |  Walid 08/03/07
  242.   #196 BTW BMD, according to you and Ephraim 20:31  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  243.   #222 Uh oh, Barry, I just read Rachel`s 20:34  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  244.   Need war plans for others especially Syria 20:41  |  Chick Corea 08/03/07
  245.   #229...Good to rely on such an objective source 20:42  |  Rachel Corrie 08/03/07
  246.   Walid you are missing one thing 20:44  |  Ronnie Wolman 08/03/07
  247.   #236...Is his nickname Uncle Tom? 20:46  |  Rachel Corrie 08/03/07
  248.   ballistic i am not concerned about your personal ties to 20:49  |  barry goldwater 08/03/07
  249.   Bruriah Sarah 20:50  |  Walid 08/03/07
  250.   tosefta you ignore the remarks of yossi kupperwasser 20:56  |  flashman 08/03/07
  251.   re #175 `Maybe Israel won the war after all` 20:56  |  Colin Wright 08/03/07
  252.   196My sweet ballistic. 20:59  |  BMD 08/03/07
  253.   tosefta my comments on the reliability of research 21:00  |  flashman 08/03/07
  254.   249 - Can you point out a reliable source that is not biased? 21:01  |  Bruriah Sarah 08/03/07
  255.   The Hydra/Flushman on this forum 21:07  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  256.   Roy Bean # 198 21:08  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  257.   Walid 214 21:17  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  258.   Walid # 234 No Such Plan Exists 21:22  |  Jeff Northridge 08/03/07
  259.   #248 Barry, according to articles on Haaretz 21:24  |  ballistic 08/03/07
  260.   Does this explain? 21:25  |  Mark Lincoln 08/03/07
  261.   It was high time 21:27  |  KUTW 08/03/07
  262.   This makes the failure even worse 21:28  |  Mark Lincoln 08/03/07
  263.   # 240 Ballistic 21:29  |  ChanahS 08/03/07
  264.   ?osefta - Folks who fantasize about bad novels 21:30  |  Mark Lincoln 08/03/07
  265.   Bombastic #243 21:30  |  Bob 08/03/07
  266.   sh, S and Kath, it was not my plan! 21:33  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 08/03/07
  267.   This is not enough, Solana 21:33  |  KUTW 08/03/07
  268.   re #247 21:42  |  Bob 08/03/07
  269.   Clickfool: A Displaced Palestinian With An Agenda? 21:46  |  Peter 08/03/07
  270.   Stephen Connor 21:47  |  Walid 08/03/07
  271.   Bruriah Sarah, that Chicago story is not true 21:47  |  Jake 08/03/07
  272.   War Plans 21:47  |  Clausowitz 08/03/07
  273.   ballistic, Robert Mugabe is `one of your brethren` 21:50  |  Jake 08/03/07
  274.   Unfortunately, Israel lost the Lebanon war (Kathy #221; S Connor) 21:57  |  Tosefta 08/03/07
  275.   Ronnie Wolman 22:11  |  Walid 08/03/07
  276.   # 225 Jeff Northridge. QUITE CORRECT AND ..... 22:15  |  Kath` 08/03/07
  277.   Egypt makes peace, Jordan wants peace, Syria wants peace and LEB? 22:28  |  Dave 08/03/07
  278.   to Walid#234 22:35  |  Ilya 08/03/07
  279.   # 237 ballistic 22:38  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  280.   ballistic 22:40  |  Lynn 08/03/07
  281.   #53 alonitzafoni 22:56  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  282.   #55 Brnd makes a claim that he needs to back up 23:03  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  283.   Endless lying headlines from Haaretz 23:03  |  Jake 08/03/07
  284.   Pre-planning the war in Lebanon 23:07  |  Moshe 08/03/07
  285.   #60 Marilyn, on an aussie soldier being captured 23:12  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  286.   #75 ChanahS 23:31  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  287.   #21 23:39  |  Moshe 08/03/07
  288.   #74 PETER SM misrepresent my words 23:43  |  Johnboy 08/03/07
  289.   Walid - a little bit naive 23:45  |  Stephen Connor 08/03/07
  290.   Colin Wright 23:54  |  Stephen Connor 08/03/07
  291.   Based on Israel`s `response` they actually started the war. 00:01  |  Mike 09/03/07
  292.   Unfortunately, Israel lost the Lebanon war (Kathy #221; S Connor) 00:14  |  Tosefta 09/03/07
  293.   MICHAEL.Diplomatic pressure on Lebanon.What does Leb.Govt.control 00:19  |  PETER. S.M 09/03/07
  294.   # 229 Bruiah Sara. Read your very informative post.AND IF I MAY.. 00:24  |  Kath` 09/03/07
  295.   Walid # 241 The Shebaa Farms 00:30  |  Jeff Northridge 09/03/07
  296.   Walid #132 00:34  |  schafe82 09/03/07
  297.   # 255 Johnboy and mad Marilyn. GOD BLESS MR.HOWARD... 00:36  |  Kath` 09/03/07
  298.   #189 Kipperraes 00:43  |  Johnboy 09/03/07
  299.   ballestic,you wouldn`t know the truth if it bite you in the ass 00:46  |  terrornator 09/03/07
  300.   tosefta "hizb would say they strategically 00:47  |  yirmiyahu 09/03/07
  301.   #82 PETER SM, so, no dead bodies then? 00:51  |  Johnboy 09/03/07
  302.   tosefta show us your evidence the southerners 00:51  |  yirmiyahu 09/03/07
  303.   #112 alonitzifoni Scietntists and microbiologists... 00:53  |  Maureen Ann 09/03/07
  304.   tosefta listen to siniora speaking to the italian newspaper 00:54  |  yirmi 09/03/07
  305.   Johnboy # 256- repeating truth is no mantra 00:55  |  ChanahS 09/03/07
  306.   Israel did not lose the war 00:55  |  Jonathan S 09/03/07
  307.   Johnboy # 262 (2) Why shouldn`t I KNOW 00:57  |  ChanahS 09/03/07
  308.   # 268 Tosefta. I PUT THE TITLE AS A TIT FOR TAT, GESTURE... 00:58  |  Kath` 09/03/07
  309.   Johnboy you deceive #264 01:01  |  ChanahS 09/03/07
  310.   #258, johnboy 01:03  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/03/07
  311.   Stephen Connor 01:05  |  Walid 09/03/07
  312.   # 267 Mike - no double standards here 01:05  |  ChanahS 09/03/07
  313.   Ilya 01:11  |  Walid 09/03/07
  314.   #268, Tosefta 01:13  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/03/07
  315.   Israel had every right to attack Lebanon 01:17  |  Jonathan S 09/03/07
  316.   rachel corrie are you the girl photographed 01:17  |  barry goldwater 09/03/07
  317.   rachel corrie "israel brought the ethiopians from 01:21  |  barry goldwater 09/03/07
  318.   #126 Ya Walid! 01:21  |  Yonatan Netser 09/03/07
  319.   #262 Negotiate for prisoner release 01:24  |  * BEN JABO 09/03/07
  320.   #3 Dr. L. Brnd, and fellow neocons... 01:26  |  Ali bin Abu ibn Abd 09/03/07
  321.   UNIFIL is so very unhappy 01:32  |  Lynn 09/03/07
  322.   Walid # 162 01:36  |  Lynn 09/03/07
  323.   rachel corrie "isreal should have brought non jews" 01:37  |  barry goldwater 09/03/07
  324.   JOHNBOY.Israel was hitting BACK this was not the Ist cross border 01:39  |  PETER SM 09/03/07
  325.   the people speak regardless of Winograd silence 01:44  |  Josh 09/03/07
  326.   #271 Jeff Northridge - Future of Shebaa back in the hands of UN 01:52  |  Pablo B 09/03/07
  327.   #256 Yes I do know; she was discussed on 02:00  |  ballistic 09/03/07
  328.   #286 barry goldwater 02:06  |  Racon-tour 09/03/07
  329.   #255 Well, lotsa folks are asking that question 02:06  |  ballistic 09/03/07
  330.   #178 Tosefta, thanks for the link 02:19  |  Johnboy 09/03/07
  331.   #3 Dr L Brnd. "Acts of War." 02:25  |  Maureen Ann 09/03/07
  332.   #278 ChanahS 02:26  |  Johnboy 09/03/07
  333.   Tosefta # 268 It Was a Draw 02:37  |  Jeff Northridge 09/03/07
  334.   #278 Cipora 02:39  |  Johnboy 09/03/07
  335.   To #281. Chanahs 02:55  |  Mike 09/03/07
  336.   Olmert is an idiot 03:21  |  Avrum 09/03/07
  337.   Tosefta #268 employs dubious reasoning. 03:32  |  Ben Gurion 09/03/07
  338.   # 63 2004? that was then, this is now 03:36  |  Not stupid 09/03/07
  339.   # 299 Patreaus 03:53  |  Lynn 09/03/07
  340.   Response to Pablo B Re: Mexican vs US army 04:10  |  the truth 09/03/07
  341.   There is no racism from me 04:15  |  Marilyn 09/03/07
  342.   Johnboy # 302 Sorry, You`re Wrong 04:29  |  Jeff Northridge 09/03/07
  343.   #304, johnboy 04:31  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 09/03/07
  344.   #286 Cipora and all the doubters 04:31  |  Tosefta