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Do the Palestinians really want a state?
By Bradley Burston
 

Monday, 20 March (8 days to Election Day)



Do the Palestinians really want a state?

At first blush, the question seems preposterous. The Palestinian people have voiced their acute desire for an independent state since the day, whatever it may have been, that they became the Palestinian people.

In fact, until recently it seemed that nearly the whole world, Eastern and Western Europe, the entirety of Asia and Africa, many of the nations of the Americas - everyone, that is, except for the United States and Israel - wanted there to be an independent Palestine.

In time, even Israel and Washington came around. In a surreal turn, Ariel Sharon, the mantra of whose ashram had long been "Jordan is [the real] Palestine," announced his support in 2003 for the U.S.-sponsored road map peace plan, which provided for, though would fail to deliver, an independent Palestinian state by 2005.

But even as Sharon rammed the road map through the cabinet, the cause of Palestinian statehood was being undermined - by the Palestinians themselves.

Of course, the sandbagging of statehood came second nature to Israeli governments. Predictably, though, the Israelis' efforts, often as not, were hamhanded enough to actually work in favor of statehood.

Not so those of the Palestinians. The Palestinians worked against their own cause with a singleminded self-destructiveness worthy of the most hormone-driven of human bombs.

The uprising that was meant to have been the Palestinian war of independence turned into as disaster on the diplomatic as well as the military levels.

Though mindful of the media-irresistible David versus Goliath image of the first Intifada, with children armed only with stones standing up to main battle tanks, the Palestinians managed in a matter of months to piss away the world's goodwill.

The immediate resort to firearms, the brutality of such attacks as the sniper-fire murder of a 10-month-old baby, the bare-handed cruelty of the crushing of the skulls of two 14-year-old boys with large stones, the indiscriminate horror of bombs on citry buses, explosives at a Passover seder, whole families erased at a seaside restaurant where Jews and Arabs treated each other not only as equals but as friends - all of it will continue to tarnish the image of Palestinians for years to come.

There was the willingness of Marwan Barghouti and, yes, of Yasser Arafat, to "launder" criminal gangs of gun runners and drug smugglers by grafting them into the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.

There was the readiness of Al Aqsa members to drop the traditional Fatah distinction between the 1967 border and the territories, their mounting adoption of the Hamas and Jihad view that all of Palestine was one unit, that the term occupation applied to Tel Aviv and Haifa and West Jerusalem as well.

But that was only the beginning. The Intifada also brought to glaring light the depth and breadth of old guard Fatah mismanagement and globe-circling corruption.

Yasser Arafat's bedrock unwillingness to root out corruption was as least as alienating to the PA's crucial allies the European Union, as was his unwillingness to take the merest action to fight terrorism.

In fact, if there was one signal obstacle to the cause of actual Palestinian independence, it was none other than Arafat himself, father of Palestine during the first intifada, abortionist of Palestine in the second.

Arafat's shameless and ultimately disastrous lying to his closest allies in Europe and the State Department during the Karine A arms ship affair, his fostering of impossible expectations among Palestinians at home and in exile, his rejection of Israeli peace offers in order to protect those false expectations, his egging-on of shahid candidates, his financing of their handlers, all these completed the campaign of homeland demolition that began long before Camp David in encounters of calibrated violence designed to wring concessions from Israel.

As Arafat stood by, losing his place in history even as he sought to keep his place among the Palestinians, bomb after bomb after bomb distanced Palestinians from the state they nearly had, could already have had, should have had, by the end of the last decade.

The Palestinians, still shrouded in the self-pitying, self-adoring arrogance of the truly humiliated - the same arrogance they so fiercely hate in the Jews - are still busy proving what a victory the Intifada was.

Yet the real proof of the outcome of the Intifada lies in the change in Hamas declarations. For the first time, they have begun to speak of a demand for an Israeli return to the 1967 borders, as opposed to a Jewish withdrawal to the Mediterranean and beyond.

If nothing else, the reference to the 1967 borders demonstrates the danger to the Palestinians that the world will come to accept the Sharon-Bush vision of West Bank settlement blocs as part of Israel.

Thanks to the Intifada, Palestine is shrinking before the Palestinians' very eyes. The Palestinian West Bank is getting smaller and smaller, and the world is showing no interest, let alone outrage. In inheriting Gaza, the Palestinians gained one of the world's largest reservoirs of social ills. In throwing off Gaza, the vast majority of Israelis, while sympathizing with the pain of the displaced settlers, felt a distinct sense of relief.

Today, the question of whether the Palestinians can take the steps necessary to maintain a state - that is to say, whether they really do want a state, rather than just the flag they already have and the representative at the United Nations they already have, and the righteous indignation that they have in spades - remains an open question.

If they would rather demand the right of return until the end of time, rather than accepting some formula that amounts to a lesser gain, and with it, a Palestinian state, then the question is answered.

If they would rather insist on the right to violent resistance against Israel - allying themselves in the minds of others, if not in their own, with terrorist movements that bedevil civilized countries worldwide - rather than a renunciation of armed struggle and entrance into the community of nations, then we have their answer.

If they insist on a one-state solution, then it is a one-state solution that they will get, and that state will be Israel.

Today the question of what the Palestinians really want, and whether what they really want at this point is a state, is being asked more and more.

Their comrades on the far-left may still believe the Palestinians to be the most oppressed, most deserving, most horrendously sinned-against people on earth. But the far-left, like the far-right, much prefers cartoons to complex realities.

For the rest of us, the question remains open. The question of what the Palestinians really want is asked perhaos most frequently on the Israeli left, which the Intifada succeeding in dismantling. It is being asked by the Palestinians' traditional allies in the EU and in the State Department, whom the Intifada succeeded in alienating, and whom sudden terror at home has profoundly affected.

Do the Palestinians really want a state? What they have told us in deed and in word is "Yes, but on our own terms." They either mean that or they don't. If they do, I'll wager that they'll have themselves some form of a state by somewhere around 2028. Forty years bumbling and blustering and procrastinating their way through the wilderness.

My guess is that they're smarter than that, though. They'll do as Lenny Bruce once bitterly quipped: "Be a man - sell out."

They'll do what we do. Lie to themselves, swallow the compromises they can't disguise with feints of word and gesture. I wish them luck. They're going to need a lot more of it than they've had 'til now.


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  1.   Compromise is the key to peace 01:38  |  Yossi 20/03/06
  2.   Great article..how does this relate to the elections? 02:02  |  Zion 20/03/06
  3.   History is like a mountain..... 02:44  |  Roberto 20/03/06
  4.   unilateral action 05:11  |  Eliyahu Neiman 20/03/06
  5.   Do the Palestinians really want a state 05:21  |  sam 20/03/06
  6.   Palestine, the Addict Nation 06:17  |  David Turner 20/03/06
  7.   QUESTION 06:58  |  CHONI 20/03/06
  8.   RE CHONI 08:29  |  Adnan 20/03/06
  9.   they call their state PRISON 08:35  |  Michelle 20/03/06
  10.   Do the Palestinians really want a state? 08:38  |  Antisionistfrenchjew 20/03/06
  11.   Ha`aretz does have some balanced, moderte writers 08:43  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  12.   Time is on their side 08:57  |  RJ 20/03/06
  13.   PALESTINE IS ONE BIG BLUFF. IT`S ONLY AIM TO DESTROY ISRAEL FOR.. 09:12  |  -VOICE of MOSHIACH)) 20/03/06
  14.   The Palestinians want the destruction of the Jewish state 09:12  |  Shalom Freedman 20/03/06
  15.   Political failure 09:14  |  JJ Doyle 20/03/06
  16.   Choni doesn`t know her history 09:19  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  17.   Having a conflict is far more useful to the Pals, then a solution 09:21  |  Joel Meyers 20/03/06
  18.   #10 Antisionistfrenchjew 09:22  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  19.   Do the Pals want a State? Yes, they want to take over your State. 09:24  |  scribe 20/03/06
  20.   They want a state, but Israel has killed the prospect 09:37  |  Khalid 20/03/06
  21.   Best article ever on Haaretz. Amira Hass can learn from it. 09:37  |  Dov Calsen 20/03/06
  22.   Israel,islam fundamen`tally never will accept your existence 09:40  |  e.m 20/03/06
  23.   The Palestinians are Rejectionists. 09:40  |  Ann Coulter 20/03/06
  24.   First of all the right of return. 09:42  |  zeev 20/03/06
  25.   Bradley`s spin spot on 09:46  |  Rabbi David Hoffman 20/03/06
  26.   Antisionistfrenchjew 09:53  |  JaN 20/03/06
  27.   Khalid,The only solution,jordan palestain state,israel jews state 10:00  |  e.m 20/03/06
  28.   If they really wanted a state... 10:12  |  Aussie 20/03/06
  29.   14: Jewish state is meaningless 10:13  |  zeev 20/03/06
  30.   Response to Antisionist Jew #10 10:13  |  William 20/03/06
  31.   FRENCH JEW? not a chance 10:18  |  ANTIFRENCHJEW 20/03/06
  32.   on the concept of Compromise 10:20  |  TA 20/03/06
  33.   The Palestinians need a state to protect them from Israel 10:20  |  John 20/03/06
  34.   They want a state but...... 10:21  |  Nicole 20/03/06
  35.   Palestine`s dilemma, the world`s thorn 10:23  |  William 20/03/06
  36.   To Antisionistfrenchjew, Paris 10:30  |  Klaus 20/03/06
  37.   Disgusting pro-Israeli propaganda disguised as journalism. 10:32  |  Sameer 20/03/06
  38.   Burston exemplifies the Israeli pathology of delusions and lies! 10:32  |  Joe 20/03/06
  39.   The grass is always greener... 10:33  |  William 20/03/06
  40.   response to david Turner #6 10:34  |  Palestiniasn 20/03/06
  41.   statehood 10:36  |  Raz Telchai 20/03/06
  42.   Israel killed the State solution... Khalid #20 10:39  |  William 20/03/06
  43.   "Haaretz" still in denial.Pals are parasites ,didn`t create 10:43  |  Absolute Sweden 20/03/06
  44.   zeev 10:46  |  Raz Telchai 20/03/06
  45.   : Palestiniasn#36 10:51  |  Raz Telchai 20/03/06
  46.   Arab Palestine State? A VERY BIG one 10:52  |  Alain 20/03/06
  47.   Zeev - giving the Pals the rights no one in the world gets #24 11:01  |  William 20/03/06
  48.   Why do not exists a Palestinian State since 1948? 11:02  |  Meir V. Montanez 20/03/06
  49.   No "silver platter" 11:07  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  50.   palestinians really want justice 11:08  |  raymond deane 20/03/06
  51.   Palestinian - that`s a lie! #36 11:10  |  William 20/03/06
  52.   Bradley 11:26  |  JOHANES Franzen 20/03/06
  53.   Joe from Ramallah #38 11:26  |  William 20/03/06
  54.   no. 31- ANTIFRENCHJEW 11:29  |  NB 20/03/06
  55.   Palestinians want: Freedom, Justice, and Peace 11:57  |  Messaoud 20/03/06
  56.   Surely They Are to Blame 12:09  |  Omid the Persian 20/03/06
  57.   Re Khalid Number 20 12:14  |  Omid the Persian 20/03/06
  58.   #55 Massaoud 12:22  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  59.   statehood? 12:23  |  Ben 20/03/06
  60.   Similarities 12:30  |  Rene Fries 20/03/06
  61.   @at 10 and @31 antisionistfrenchjew 12:36  |  Mark B. 20/03/06
  62.   JOHANES Israel`s `14 Reservations` 12:37  |  Osborne Reed 20/03/06
  63.   "DAR Al Islam" by the "Beloved of Allah" .ALL the M.East first. 12:44  |  PETER SM 20/03/06
  64.   # 50-raymond deane-excellent post! 13:01  |  Joe 20/03/06
  65.   TO YONATAN # 16 13:35  |  CHONI 20/03/06
  66.   Bradley, Ii would like to give you a big hug! 13:40  |  Judith 20/03/06
  67.   Yes 13:43  |  Chanah 20/03/06
  68.   Anti- Semites on this site 13:46  |  Shalom Freedman 20/03/06
  69.   This is a must read for Amira, Gideon Levy and Khalid. 13:50  |  A 20/03/06
  70.   Wilderness are Us 14:00  |  Ronnie Wolman 20/03/06
  71.   I agree with Antisionistfrenchjew 14:01  |  sakrayami 20/03/06
  72.   except, i am not anti-sionist 14:03  |  sakrayami 20/03/06
  73.   Israelis Don`t Want a Pal. State 14:08  |  Boris Yeltsin 20/03/06
  74.   Zeev and the perennial right of return 14:13  |  Daniel Leopold 20/03/06
  75.   #65 Choni 14:18  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  76.   The answer is "NO" 14:19  |  The Other Alan 20/03/06
  77.   Khalid-#20-They want two states:Palestine One and Palestine Two 14:28  |  Daniel Leopold 20/03/06
  78.   Question for Khalid on confusing post about elimination of Israel 14:33  |  Tulip 20/03/06
  79.   # 37 Sameer 14:34  |  Shelly 20/03/06
  80.   AntizionistFrenchJew (Post No. 10) 14:36  |  Johnny Weintraub 20/03/06
  81.   Hamas wants Jews out of Israel/Palestine 14:39  |  Daniel Leopold 20/03/06
  82.   Klaus-#36-About Antisionistfrenchjew 14:51  |  Daniel Leopold 20/03/06
  83.   Palestinians want ..... 14:52  |  Mike 20/03/06
  84.   BRADLEY. Shame.You must only publish verbatim Arab propoganda. 15:01  |  PETER SM 20/03/06
  85.   Will the world let Israel live with one? 15:01  |  bruce 20/03/06
  86.   # 10. 15:07  |  David Nigel Braham 20/03/06
  87.   The answer for the first question of the article 15:10  |  Dan N 20/03/06
  88.   #55 Messaoud FUNNY: THEY ACT THE OTHER WAY 15:23  |  YI SHAM BAO LAM 20/03/06
  89.   State for Palestinians 15:25  |  Partha Ray 20/03/06
  90.   Palestinians ned to push the Go button not the Destruct button 15:40  |  Josh 20/03/06
  91.   Dan N Yes the majority of palestinians are for two state 15:50  |  Osborne Reed 20/03/06
  92.   Daniel, do Jews want Arabs and Muslims out as well? 15:53  |  Ibrahim 20/03/06
  93.   A new state 15:55  |  Alan 20/03/06
  94.   Time is on their side? 15:59  |  N.Shuster 20/03/06
  95.   TO YONATAN #65 16:01  |  CHONI 20/03/06
  96.   You miss the point Sameer, this is not Journalism, its Opinion 16:03  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  97.   Alternative to jihad 16:04  |  Yonatan 20/03/06
  98.   Khalid providing example to Burston`s theory 16:08  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  99.   #10 Antisionistfrench jew 16:11  |  H 20/03/06
  100.   A condescending peice of junk 16:13  |  Michael N 20/03/06
  101.   Sharon didn`t talk to Abu Mazen, Sameer, because 16:17  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  102.   incendiary manipulation ( part I ) 16:20  |  D.R 20/03/06
  103.   Boris needs to catch up on his reading 16:21  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  104.   Camp David, year 2000 16:21  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  105.   There will be one state 16:25  |  Menachem 20/03/06
  106.   incendiary manipulation ( part II ) 16:26  |  D.R 20/03/06
  107.   incendiary manipulation ( part III ) 16:29  |  D.R 20/03/06
  108.   incendiary manipulation ( part IV ) 16:31  |  D.R 20/03/06
  109.   ?On their own terms?? 16:32  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  110.   Well Done Bradley! 16:33  |  FOX 20/03/06
  111.   incendiary manipulation ( part V - conclusion ) 16:34  |  D.R 20/03/06
  112.   khalid 16:35  |  natan 20/03/06
  113.   Palestinian State 16:42  |  Palestinian 20/03/06
  114.   What Arabs and Palestinians think 16:45  |  AviYerushalmi 20/03/06
  115.   Speaking their minds 16:45  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  116.   Israeli government is not interested in peace 16:49  |  Salahuddin Azam 20/03/06
  117.   Hamas Think! time is running. 16:55  |  simon 20/03/06
  118.   David Turner response to 40 16:56  |  David Turner 20/03/06
  119.   To Shalom Freedman 17:02  |  Nat 20/03/06
  120.   Do the "Pals" want a state? 17:04  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  121.   Their "state" 17:11  |  Neil 20/03/06
  122.   Boris Yeltsin # 73 Yes and No 17:15  |  Jeff Northridge 20/03/06
  123.   Palestineans want a honor not shame 17:15  |  Mike Savage 20/03/06
  124.   ISRAELIS how would you feel without a state? 17:15  |  Proud Turkish Soldie 20/03/06
  125.   TO AVI # 111 17:32  |  Nicole 20/03/06
  126.   #20 and #40 17:35  |  Paul 20/03/06
  127.   No they want the Jews GONE ... how many times will you ask? 17:43  |  pace306 20/03/06
  128.   #122 the same way the people in Cyprus feel 18:07  |  pace306 20/03/06
  129.   122Proud Turkish Soldier, how would you feel without a state? 18:07  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  130.   Ibrahim, you ignore the other side of coin 18:13  |  Michael 20/03/06
  131.   The Palestinians already have a state 18:19  |  Zev 20/03/06
  132.   They already have one, they want a second instead of Israel 18:19  |  David Landman 20/03/06
  133.   To Mr.B.Burston.Good article and I commend you for it....... 18:21  |  S 20/03/06
  134.   Jeff Northridge and Jacob Blues 18:22  |  Boris Yeltsin 20/03/06
  135.   Proud Turkish Soldier # 122 -- Agreed 18:22  |  Chanah 20/03/06
  136.   Greedy: They want 100% of Israel / Masochists 18:24  |  Semsem 20/03/06
  137.   what arabs really say -in their media 18:27  |  Daphne Stern 20/03/06
  138.   Why are the Hamas the terrorrists? 18:33  |  JOHANES Franzen 20/03/06
  139.   # 7 Choni.re:QUESTION.I AGREE WITH YOU,BUT........ 18:37  |  S 20/03/06
  140.   The problem is Israel doesn`t want a Palestinian state & justice 18:41  |  BRIAN 20/03/06
  141.   Bradley finished his cafe hafuch 18:44  |  peter 20/03/06
  142.   ((((BRADLEY YOU ARE WRITING PROPAGANDA ONLY!!!!!))))) 18:46  |  Ronnie Wolman 20/03/06
  143.   # 10 re:Antisionistfrenchjew. WELL YOU DO ....... 18:51  |  S 20/03/06
  144.   108D.R: ?incendiary manipulation? 18:52  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  145.   DR, next generation participant in meaningless Arab confrences 18:57  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  146.   138.JOHANES Franzen: Hamas are the terrorrists 19:03  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  147.   140. BRIAN: The problem is "Pals" dont want a state 19:06  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  148.   # 33 John.re:PAL and protection fro Israel ?Please....... 19:20  |  S 20/03/06
  149.   Jacob Blues : britney spears or massive ignorance. 19:26  |  D.R 20/03/06
  150.   Kim.Viva Israel, this is just an attempt to answer your comment 19:32  |  D.R 20/03/06
  151.   Jacob Blues re D.R and others 19:34  |  peter 20/03/06
  152.   # 38 Joe.re:Mr.Burston,TO YOU! BE RESPECTFUL....... 19:35  |  S 20/03/06
  153.   # 38 Joe.re:Mr.Burston,TO YOU! BE RESPECTFUL....... 19:37  |  S 20/03/06
  154.   palestinian 113 19:37  |  alan 20/03/06
  155.   They need a state and ... 19:46  |  Messaoud 20/03/06
  156.   Michael, spare us your Israeli State Propoganda 19:48  |  Ibrahim 20/03/06
  157.   D.R ahhh youth today 19:50  |  peter 20/03/06
  158.   Palestinian state?? 19:59  |  Pastor Phil 20/03/06
  159.   Whats the Israeli solution ? 20:00  |  Dave 20/03/06
  160.   Excellent Article 20:02  |  Gina 20/03/06
  161.   HATE & TRUST 20:02  |  T. ROLAX 20/03/06
  162.   Yonatan re Choni.... I have tried B4 but Ha`Aretz blocks me 20:03  |  Ari ben Yisrael 20/03/06
  163.   JJ Doyle 20:14  |  Gina 20/03/06
  164.   My dear Kim, people do claim my state as theirs 20:14  |  Proud Turkish Soldie 20/03/06
  165.   # 78 Tulip.re:Reply from Khalid?YOU WILL WAIT IN VAIN...... 20:15  |  S 20/03/06
  166.   # 110 Fox.re: Mr.Bradley.GOOD POST FOX,AND WELL SAID.. 20:21  |  S 20/03/06
  167.   YES, THEY WANT A STATE, A TERROR STATE PART 1 20:25  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/03/06
  168.   The Wooden Nickel 20:27  |  Danite 20/03/06
  169.   Hi S 20:28  |  Tulip 20/03/06
  170.   YES, THEY WANT A STATE, A TERROR STATE, PART2 20:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/03/06
  171.   # 164 Proud Turkish Soldie.re: Kim.SORRY BUT..... 20:40  |  S 20/03/06
  172.   Dave in Toronto # 159 20:43  |  Chanah 20/03/06
  173.   I had misjudged Bradley 20:45  |  bbl 20/03/06
  174.   Some answers, Boris 20:46  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  175.   # 13 RG.re:Time is on their side. YOU THINK?? 20:47  |  S 20/03/06
  176.   IDF budget, for Boris 20:49  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  177.   # 164 - nothing to be proud of 20:51  |  Chanah 20/03/06
  178.   # 14 Shalom Freedman.re:The Pals want the destruction of Israel.. 20:52  |  S 20/03/06
  179.   #136 Semsem, Palestinans want a perpetual conflict 20:54  |  Eugene 20/03/06
  180.   Palestinians do not exist, they are arabs... 20:56  |  Catfood 20/03/06
  181.   Well DR, at least you got a reply down to 1 page 20:58  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  182.   they did ,but not now . 21:06  |  Fares 20/03/06
  183.   Howdy Danite- 21:13  |  Ibrahim 20/03/06
  184.   # 36 Klaus. re:To Anti---Thank you Klaus........ 21:19  |  S 20/03/06
  185.   Massoud - taking the money 21:21  |  natan 20/03/06
  186.   # 111 DR.incendiary manipulation.etc.THANK YOU FOR THE LONG...... 21:32  |  S 20/03/06
  187.   # 169 Tulip.re:S(me) WELL......... 21:38  |  S 20/03/06
  188.   Ibrahim 21:41  |  Barry 20/03/06
  189.   The Anti Christ wants the world 22:01  |  Rae Emmerson 20/03/06
  190.   #170 Cipora 22:12  |  Barry 20/03/06
  191.   Palestinians want to be ruled 22:19  |  Ben 20/03/06
  192.   Ibrahim 22:20  |  Danite 20/03/06
  193.   Loot At Pakistan & Bangladesh 22:26  |  Vijay 20/03/06
  194.   Ibrahim 22:28  |  Danite 20/03/06
  195.   Turkish Soldier 22:29  |  Danite 20/03/06
  196.   150.D.R: ?an attempt to answer? 22:32  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  197.   Sure they do not want state. 22:37  |  Observer 20/03/06
  198.   164.Proud Turkish Soldier: "people do claim my state" 22:40  |  Kim. VIVA ISRAEL! 20/03/06
  199.   Danite, I will not retract 23:03  |  Ibrahim 20/03/06
  200.   No 23:05  |  Emily 20/03/06
  201.   #178, S 23:10  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 20/03/06
  202.   Catfood # 180 Deportation 23:10  |  Jeff Northridge 20/03/06
  203.   To be or not to be? Part 1 23:17  |  TonyL 20/03/06
  204.   Adding to Vijay`s commentary 23:18  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  205.   To be or not to be? Part 2 23:19  |  TonyL 20/03/06
  206.   To be or not to be? Part 3 23:21  |  TonyL 20/03/06
  207.   Kim.Viva Israel 23:23  |  D.R 20/03/06
  208.   To be or not to be? Part 4 23:23  |  TonyL 20/03/06
  209.   No need to retract Ibrahim 23:27  |  Jacob Blues 20/03/06
  210.   Ibraham 156 -- a little honesty please 23:35  |  bbl 20/03/06
  211.   If we could correct the mistakes of the past.. 23:47  |  Sylvia Rafael 20/03/06
  212.   If we could correct the mistakes of the past.. 23:47  |  Sylvia Rafael 20/03/06
  213.   Fares -- Time is on you side if you have a time machine 23:47  |  bbl 20/03/06
  214.   Ben:Why don`t they go live under their former rulers? 23:54  |  Sylvia Rafael 20/03/06
  215.   re Vijay 23:58  |  Paul 20/03/06
  216.   # 121 Neil. re:Their "state". GOOD POST NEIL.BUT I FOR ONE DO NOT 00:08  |  S 21/03/06
  217.   Tulip 00:10  |  Barbara Welsh 21/03/06
  218.   Palestinians Want "Honor" Not A State 00:11  |  Yoram 21/03/06
  219.   Ibrahim-#92-You ignore the facts 00:13  |  Daniel Leopold 21/03/06
  220.   #57 omid the Persian 00:19  |  alan 21/03/06
  221.   Ibrahim pt. 1 00:20  |  Michael 21/03/06
  222.   Do the Pals need a state? 00:22  |  Shlomo 21/03/06
  223.   D R Some ideas about your post 00:25  |  Ronnie Wolman 21/03/06
  224.   to ibrhahim 00:27  |  evelyn 21/03/06
  225.   The New Buzz Word Is...."Hitkansut" 00:28  |  Jeff Northridge 21/03/06
  226.   Ibrahim pt 3 00:30  |  Michael 21/03/06
  227.   # 193 Vijay. I AM LOOKING,VIJAY............ 00:40  |  S 21/03/06
  228.   #10 Antisionistfrenchjew 00:46  |  Jeni 21/03/06
  229.   199 Ibrahims "disneyland" version of the ME 00:49  |  pace306 21/03/06
  230.   Palestinian State 00:56  |  Kenneth L.Wolf 21/03/06
  231.   #203,205 TonyL 00:57  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/03/06
  232.   Do Palestinians Want A State? 01:06  |  Kilo 21/03/06
  233.   # 201 Cipora Julianna Kohn.re: Yesterday`s forum? which one...... 01:19  |  S 21/03/06
  234.   To be or not to be? Part 3 01:22  |  TonyL 21/03/06
  235.   #215, S 01:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/03/06
  236.   Sure they want a state --they want Israel, but without any Jews. 01:43  |  Terry 21/03/06
  237.   # 213 Cipora Julianna Kohn.re:TonyL #203,205 01:51  |  S 21/03/06
  238.   Who is Bradely Burston to talk 02:11  |  Gabriel 21/03/06
  239.   "Palestinians" don`t exist. Never have and never will! 02:15  |  Palestiniansareamyth 21/03/06
  240.   #222 Shlomo, Do Palis need a country? No. 02:17  |  Terry 21/03/06
  241.   212 Silvia Rafael.Correction of past mistakes,etc.......... 02:18  |  S 21/03/06
  242.   they left poland didnt they 02:33  |  you 21/03/06
  243.   #85, Bruce, world`s conditional acceptance of Israel 02:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/03/06
  244.   they want Israel to not be a state 02:38  |  peter 21/03/06
  245.   D R One correction sorry about State terrorism 02:38  |  Ronnie Wolman 21/03/06
  246.   #24 Zeev 02:43  |  David Israel 21/03/06
  247.   Do Palestinians really want a state? 02:56  |  Ben Gurion 21/03/06
  248.   I Believe They Want A State But Have Had Bad Leadership 03:14  |  Jane 21/03/06
  249.   Cipora Julianna Kohn #231 03:31  |  TonyL 21/03/06
  250.   Dream on Bradley 03:32  |  Andrew Winkler 21/03/06
  251.   Gabriel # 238 Condescension 04:07  |  Jeff Northridge 21/03/06
  252.   maybe but without the politicians 04:18  |  shimon 21/03/06
  253.   No ,yet. 04:24  |  Waldir Nudelman 21/03/06
  254.   #248, Jane 04:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 21/03/06
  255.   246: David Israel: Justice for all 04:45  |  zeev 21/03/06
  256.   # 100 Bless you, Michael N, for a lucid analysis! 04:45  |  Ben Alofs 21/03/06
  257.   jane 04:53  |  shimon 21/03/06
  258.   WHAT DO THEY WANT? 04:53  |  ron 21/03/06
  259.   Re: #204 - Jacob Blues & #215 - Paul 05:04  |  Vijay 21/03/06
  260.   Arab countries need Israel 05:10  |  TOBIA 21/03/06
  261.   to bradly 05:11  |  john 21/03/06
  262.   Re: #227 - S 05:16  |  Vijay 21/03/06
  263.   238 Gabriel -- my, my, 05:35  |  searcher 21/03/06
  264.   Simon, didn`t Balfor declaration see the second state in Jordan? 05:47  |  Terry 21/03/06
  265.   They want Israel 06:02  |  Daniel Leopold 21/03/06
  266.   Zeev-#255-They loath,despise and hate Jews 06:09  |  Daniel Leopold 21/03/06
  267.   #260-Arab countries are afraid of the Islamist Palestinians 06:13  |  Daniel Leopold 21/03/06
  268.   One State Works, Why Not? 07:46  |  Jon 21/03/06
  269.   THE REAL QUESTION IS... 07:52  |  Indrajaya Syukri 21/03/06
  270.   TO ARI BEN YISRAEL #162 07:52  |  CHONI 21/03/06
  271.   #12 RJ`s Racist State- Israel 08:02  |  Dutch 21/03/06
  272.   Don`t Give Up the West Bank 08:07  |  Lisa Javner 21/03/06
  273.   266: Jews were protected in Arab countries better than in the Wes 08:10  |  zeev 21/03/06
  274.   #38Joe, You`re right, Burston exemplifies the pathology ... 08:47  |  Dutch 21/03/06
  275.   271 - Dutch`s racism 09:21  |  Frantz 21/03/06
  276.   Please read your own newspaper Bradley 09:33  |  Simon David 21/03/06
  277.   Please read your own newspaper Bradley 09:33  |  Simon David 21/03/06
  278.   THE MOST LETHAL WEAPON 09:47  |  Indrajaya Syukri 21/03/06
  279.   Yes, Palistanians Want a State 09:56  |  Paqid Yirmeyahu 21/03/06
  280.   Haifa and Ramleh 12:50  |  jean marie 21/03/06
  281.   The Problem with the Palestinians 13:42  |  Shalom 21/03/06
  282.   Burston`s Right - Vote Kadima 18:16  |  Eli 21/03/06
  283.   Burston`s Right - Vote Kadima 18:18  |  Eli 21/03/06
  284.   Palestian`s only want the death of Israel 18:55  |  Deborah 21/03/06
  285.   antisionistfrenchjew 19:01  |  Deborah 21/03/06
  286.   Do The Palestian`s want Statehood 20:41  |  Larry Jacobson 21/03/06
  287.   Palestinian State 22:14  |  Jason Alster 21/03/06
  288.   #140 Brian from Canada. 22:42  |  David Israel 21/03/06
  289.   #164 Proud Turkish Soldier 23:00  |  David Israel 21/03/06
  290.   a better one, Burston, & cut the psychology "crap", Danite 23:03  |  Ivo 21/03/06
  291.   one more remark, Danite 23:35  |  Ivo 21/03/06
  292.   want a `state`? 00:40  |  Jeff 22/03/06
  293.   #266 Zeev - Jews were not protected in Arab Countires 02:08  |  David 22/03/06
  294.   Cipora - They Are Not Ready for Democracy 04:46  |  Jane 22/03/06
  295.   Dutch`s Anti-Semitism 05:57  |  Adam Newman 22/03/06
  296.   http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/ 06:18  |  Paul 22/03/06
  297.   #1:Compromise is the key to peace 07:18  |  Roy Galut 22/03/06
  298.   Personal Responsibility 07:52  |  Alex Bless 22/03/06
  299.   Jerusalem 05:07  |  Dr MIBarton 24/03/06
  300.   Jerusalem 22:08  |  Roy Galut 25/03/06
  301.   Moslems.Your freedom of speech 13:05  |  Jay Mcmerrick 29/03/06
  302.   Great Article 15:30  |  Bob 29/03/06
  303.   Do the Palestinians really want a state? 19:24  |  Chris 29/01/07
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