Those noisy barbarians
Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of Hebron, doesn't want Jews to take on boogie-woogie from the jungle.
By Noam Tags: Israel newsDov Lior, the chief rabbi of Kiryat Arba and Hebron, head of the rabbinical committee in the territories and a power broker in the halls of government, is this country's real prime minister, writer Sefi Rachlevsky said in an op-ed in Haaretz's Hebrew edition last week.
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Dov Lior, the chief rabbi of Kiryat Arba and Hebron. |
| Photo by: Tess Scheflan |
Some of Lior's doctrines, which made headlines in the wake of his refusal to be interrogated by police in an incitement case, were revealed in Rachlevsky's piece: permission to spill Arab blood, praise for the murderer Baruch Goldstein and spiritual support for extreme right-wing Jewish terrorists. In addition, Lior is suspected of involvement in the rabbinical condemnation of Yitzhak Rabin before the prime minister was assassinated in 1995. A check of the Hebrew website Arutz Meir (www.meirtv.co.il ), which offers some 11,000 recorded lectures on Jewish topics, reveals that, somewhat surprisingly, the fundamentalist rabbi also has firm opinions on something else: music.
A year ago, Lior was the guest of an educational institution whose name is not stated on the recording, but which appears to have been a music school, to judge by the excited questions of the musicians who teach at the school: How should one view music composed by non-Jews? Is it permissible to set biblical verses to the melodies of non-Jewish songs?
If the questioners had turned to up-to-date studies in musicology, they would have been introduced to exactly these questions, at the core of which lies a dialogue from ancient times that relates to the very nature of music. Is music abstract, and can therefore express nothing but itself, as 19th-century thinkers would have it? Or, as the movement of new musicology sees it, does it demonstrate extra-musical content, even in works as seemingly neutral as a symphony by Brahms or Beethoven?
As Dov Lior asked: Do we go by the approach that music should be taken at face value, or do we look into who created it, who composed it? Does that matter?
Pop as paganism
In Jewish law, as in Islamic law, music can pose problems. The Hasidim, for example, place a high value on their melodies, when sung in the proper circumstances, but not on all music. Jewish men are prohibited from hearing women sing, according to halakha. On the other hand, the Levites in the Temple, and King David himself, used music for higher purposes. In one of the recordings, Lior encourages those present to learn how to play all the instruments, saying the Levites will need to know how when the Temple is rebuilt. "We need to nurture, train, raise God-fearing people who specialize in this field," he says.
The rabbi sometimes seems open to non-Jewish music and willing to have Jews engage with it, but at other times talks about banning it. "Until 400 years ago there were composers among non-Jews, but they all focused on church music and pagan music," is his simplistic approach. "But since a rebellion occurred, they started creating humane music that expresses positive sentiments. There are some honorable people among the goyim. A few, but they exist. I think that even in Hebron there are a few who are human beings - which doesn't mean I'm saying they shouldn't all be sent to Saudi Arabia. They should all be sent to Saudi Arabia!"
According to the rabbi, this good period among non-Jews has ended: "There has been a downfall since World War II. ... I call this boogie-woogie and they call it pop. It expresses people's animalistic and lower urges. This noisy, fast rhythm is unlike that of the Hasidim, who sang with devotion and could do so for hours. Its very basis is improper: urges without any elevating principle. It must absolutely be avoided. ... That kind of thing is in the jungle."
Lior says that music reflects the nature of a people, and gives the Arabs as an example. "Whoever is more barbaric is noisier," he says. "Have you noticed, for example, when [Arabs] have weddings, the [Israeli] left has taught them to shoot these fireworks in the air, and they blend in real gunshots, and sometimes shoot each other. It is part of the amusement at their weddings. They cannot live without noise. And pop as a whole... there are those who worship this kind of god. Clearly this does not belong at all to Judaism, and not to composers who know how to express good and tender feelings and aspire to values for all humanity."
May one take non-Jewish music and sing prayers to those tunes? Lior: "Music can get contaminated. Experts will investigate and see if the tune is 'kosher,' if it expresses an aspiration to goodness, or if it is taken from the jungle and stimulates negative emotions. With pop, you can see clearly that it's negative. Something that belongs to the rhythms of kushim [a derogatory term for black people] isn't part of our world. In America, Rabbi [Shlomo] Carlebach matched melodies to prayers, and what he made into something Jewish is all right. But not everyone can just take from this sewer of pop, from the world of lies."
Humanity and individualism
The hundreds of lessons that may be found on Arutz Meir include one by Orthodox composer Andre Hajdu, who was born in Hungary in 1932. "The concepts of 'ours' and 'not ours' are foreign to me, and limiting," Hajdu says at the beginning of his lecture, in which he attempts to explain his views on Jewish music and Judaism itself. "I was raised in the European tradition and I brought it with me; I live in two worlds, in the world of music and in Judaism. I have never seen this as a contradiction, and never thought that if I am in one place, I must leave the other. I'm not saying that this is a good thing or the way one has to be, but I am describing reality. Jewish music does not belong to only one population: there are Hasidic melodies, the bakashot ["entreaties"] prayers, piyutim [liturgical poems] and Ladino, and I teach openness, the understanding that all of this is Jewish. It is difficult, because everyone thinks that the musical experience he was raised on is the authentic one. Most people love the music from their childhood and don't try to turn in a different direction. My job is to go against this and it is Sisyphean, the desire to change society."
"Many times I have heard profound discussions of music and high-flown ideas about music, but we don't hear the music itself," Hajdu continues. "For example, when talking about the Vilna Gaon and his deliberations on music. But which music? Did he mean Lithuanian Jewish music, or Mozart, because he played the violin? Music is discriminated against; the idea and symbol may be voiced but not the music itself, and so I sought to hear it too.
"I know the religious population in particular is not used to listening to music, because it is taught only to sing, alone or in public. It is true that singing with others strengthens the individual, but there is always the aspect of power. The meaning of listening is to create a space and time to concentrate, not offhandedly while reading the newspaper, but like meditation - emptying the self of everything else and allowing the music to fill one. Not everyone is used to this. When I lecture, people listen, but the moment I put on a recording and play music, they begin to talk to one another. It is hard to change habits."
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Orthodox composer Andre Hajdu performing in 2008. |
In this lesson, Hajdu played "King's Fanfare," which he composed in 1974, using elements of traditional Jewish music and dissonant modernism. He asks the audience to listen, hoping they will understand. "It is true that music expresses human spontaneity, but it also provokes thought, and it is well-known that the public does not think; only an individual can think," he tells those present. "For this reason I suggest a kind of alienation, and not unity. Not in order to distance the listener, but to arouse self-awareness, and a listening to the other, to that which is not me, and which I do not understand yet. It is not enough to be present, but to open the mind. Although there is something in music that does not stem from logic, people cannot stop thinking, so why not use one's mind when listening to music? And the opposite too: the Gemara says that when studying religious texts, doing so without a melody is meaningless."
Hajdu's musical equivalent of a Jewish text is played in a live performance by a member of the young music ensemble he established among his students, who are familiar with all musical styles, including contemporary ones. He tells about their performances at Hama'abada theater in Jerusalem, also known as The Lab: "Some with kippot and some without, average age 25-30, and the concept of 'ours' does not exist. A group sits on stage, divided - not uniform, but all at the height of enthusiasm. It is my attempt to go against habit and custom, to see the depth in Judaism, but not with the regular tools."
Hajdu also notes that "Judaism owes its music to the non-Jewish environment around it; there is a whole literature about this."
"And this is the meaning of life on several levels," he says. "Simplistic answers will not suffice. Music from a foreign source may be even more Jewish. The bakashot musical tradition comes from Arab and Andalusian music, and it is no less Jewish because of this. You must move from place to place and look into the distance, and not think that the truth always resides with us when it comes to music. Today the religious population is much more open from many angles, but when it comes to music, there is still a long way to go."
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So what is the difference between this person and those that tormented and persecuted Jews over many centuries? The fact that he wants the same thing applied to Arabs?
'Lior is suspected of involvement in the rabbinical condemnation of Yitzhak Rabin before the prime minister was assassinated in 1995'. And from an educated 21st century person? Shame on you!
I do dislike that they post articles like this in english in haaretz. It's a Jewish issue, but on haaretz it will become another podium for Israel bashing and anti-semitic comments from outsiders.
Is there a better reason to separate religion and State?
An Ashkenazi who bashes Arab and African music, what else is new? What makes this guy a Rabbi? Sorry Dubbi, but I'll take Arabic music over your German beerdrinking songs anytime...
This lior is Israel prime minister and think not only that this nothing has a great influence but also that the prime minister is exactly like him
Enough said. May what he preaches and teaches come to his own house and may it be in lour days. zionism is responsible for this perversion.
What a nonsense: such people should be put in psychiatric clinic and cure , rabbi or no rabbi. I will continue listening to Bach, Beethoven, Bruckner, Mozart, Mendelssohn and all the others composers of all sorts and feel the Divine Genius of real Music. No nutcase will spoil my pleasure.
It's a shame for the Jewish people to have this kind of person.When we ask ourselves:why antisemitism? We should think that this kind of individual is one of the greatest sources. He is the israeli Nasrallah, the rabbi chief of the israeli Hezbollah
They do not claim to be a light unto the nations.
i mean what you know not what was told to you.
He should know better!
no that's incorrect.
wonder if this Rabbi Lior has heard Lenny Solomon's new CD with Beatles adaptations
One can only look with awe at a religious leader who feels: "There are some honorable people among the goyim. A few, but they exist." If a Christian or Muslim religious leader said that about Jews, would there be the same silence and agreement with his statement in Israel?
How embarassing to learn about this rabbi. Why does he not lock himself in his synagogue, pray and sing with his faithful followers and leave the rest of humanity alone.... What a chuspah to talk about "...aspiration to goodness" sensitivity, and humanity and pleading for goims to go to Saudi Arabia. I personally cant think of a place on earth I'd like to send the Chief Rabbi of Kiriat Arba.
So what about the US supporting Israel because we share values? Oh, yeah, sure!
The most self-humiliating thing about Rabbi Lior's remarks as quoted (yes, the possibility of omitted context exists) is that his words correspond perfectly , mutatis mutandis, to those of today's American Bible-belt fundamentalists and Catholic fundamentalists of a few centuries ago. All of them strip positive values of their salutary contents and reduce them to off-putting platitudes.
Both have / had the effect of murder. I don't think this is very fair at all from an Israeli newspaper.
do you really need this explained to youi? baruch goldstein acted without state sanction. His was purely an act of fanatical, religion-based violence. i know it's a bitter pill for you to swallow, but most of the planet views the palestinians as resisting an illegal, brutal and immoral israeli occupation, and hence their violence against israelis is not viewed in the same light. not everyone who takes a life is a "murderer". Were allied troops who killed nazis murderers?
firing weapons into civilian populations indiscriminately with no intended military target is considered murder and a war crime by the same planet you referenced in your childishly biased retort.
Excellent point!
1. You should ask Josh who are "Palestinians" and how are they different from, let's say, Arabs living in Jordan and Syria? 2. You should ask him the definition of "occupation": he does not know it. You can tell him that a) the nation that aquired the land in self-defensive war, according to internat. law, has the right to keep the land until final settlement is reached. b) Israel has better title to Judea and Samaria than any other pretender. At best, the land can be called "disputed". Consequently, there is no "illegal", "brutal" and "immoral occupation". There are Jews who returned finally to their own homeland Judea. To the contrary, Arabs occupied Judea illegally, without permition from Jews and are squatters on the land. 3. This is very important: if Arabs believe, as Josh says, that any violence against Jews is permitted because of perceived "occupation", they, Arabs, must be ready to experience any counter-violence measures in return. 4. Comparing IDF with nazis shows that Josh is anti-Semite.
Seeing dying innocent people around him was unsupportable to the point he decided to take justice into his own hands and avenge the death of many innocent people killed for being Jews.For someone he's a hero for others he's a murderer. Qassam rocket-firing squads are paid murderers who kill for money with or without Qassams as we witnessed in Lebanon and Jordan.Give them the money and weapons,show them who you want them to kill and they will kill him.Or them ,they don't care because they killed even children.
...recommend McKay's 19th century classic "Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" which details all sorts of fascinating stuff that has captured folks' rabid attention over the last several hundred years. (The medieval European witch hunts was especially "fun" reading...as was the extensive preparations for the end of the world circa 1000 AD.)
wanted dead or alive!
This guy does seem like the essence of all that is atavistic, ignorant, and superstitious in Israel, but I don't get the "derogatory" about "kushim". "Kush" is just the Biblical Hebrew word for what is also known as "Nubia". It might be kind of old fashioned to call all Black Africans "Nubians", but I didn't think it was a vulgar word.
That does not equate. Everybody knows that the dragons/dinosaurs died in the Great Flood.
touche
Lior is another argument in favor of a 2 state solution..one for reasonable people, the other for religious fanatics- Jewish AND Muslim...
Yes shtarka. They need to go to camp ... These nutters along wiyth their cousins in hamas have a lot in common. Its why their is soldarity in jeruslam when the gay pride March is on. It unbites the crazies of Islam, Judaism & Christianity. This bloke is not jewish. Like hamas he is a fundamentalist. All his type shouold be set up to live with hamas & all the secularists both Arab & Jew to live together other wise.
One thing the rabbi forgot to tell, or embarrassed to tell is that the tomb of Goldstein who murdered tens of Arabs while they were praying is the meeting place for Arabs and Jews from Hebron/Kiryat Arba doing drugs. Better set your own house straight before coming and telling us how to behave and stop preaching to us as if you are from the Taliban.